Imagine the Soviet Union not having to worry about foreign capitalist threats and their military being able to share their technology with the civilian sector, as it was always supposed to be...
@@MrZyman imagine being oppressed and forced to work your entire life in a job you hate with bosses who see you as fodder to afford housing and food, otherwise you'd be homeless and starve. oh, wait, that's just capitalism, nevermind.
wow...had the USSR actually pulled off the original idea of using the internet in coordinating a planned economy, they might have actually formed a viable alternative to capitalism.
It was always viable. By that time they had replaced centralized planning with "market socialism" pioneered by Yugoslavia. This erroneous policy led to their Brezhnev era problems. Naturally, Stalin-style economic planning would also have come to problems eventually as well and some kind of update would still have been required.
The notion that science was extremely rigid in the Stalin era is a false one. It was in the Khruschev era that science became elitist and rigid, even Stalin era scientific figures were adopted as unquestionable authorities. All the negative implications were then blamed on supposed Stalinist tendencies. De-stalinization happened already in 1956.
In short yes. When the preservation of the bureaucracy became greater than the idea that originally founded it, its rigidity and failure to bend without breaking apart became a detriment to the development of society.
People imply soviet planning lacked some computation/bandwith and feel sad it didn't have more. In reality they were very far from using what they already had with phones and telegraph. The iconic problem is soviet shop lines. You literally don't need any complex system to avoid that, just hire enough people. You don't even spend anything, because when there is a line you literally waste workforce you could put to shorten the line. Soviet system was never flexible enough. Another problem was "storming", a state of shock and alert on any company in the last days of the month and then the last weeks of the year. It was an insane byproduct of measuring the whole economy at very definite moments. There are zero costs of avoiding it, just change KPI. But soviet system was never flexible enough
I can see some alternate timeline where the USSR invented the Internet, Crypto and online shopping to aleviate the problem with long shop lines and lack of goods. But of course that would be too "imperialistic" and efficient for the soviet bureaucrats who made their living off of being as inefficient as possible.
@@vladnikolaev1558 yes he set in motion everything but Khrushchev changed the country and ideology for the worse, away from socialism and towards capitalism which ended everything in the early 90s! That's the breaking point!
@@vladnikolaev1558 Khrushchev was an opportunist and revisionist who was the first of many stepping stones of the USSR's demise. He was the one who started the de-Stalinization policy which first aimed to attack Stalin and his legacy for Socialism as a whole. This later led to all sorts of splits and conflict with a major one being the Sino-Soviet split. He was awful and Stalin made a mistake not to remove him from the party in time. There are even rumors that Stalin himself was poisoned by conspirators one among them being Khrushchev. If you want to learn more go ahead and check out a video that 'Finnish Bolshevik' made regarding Khrushchev's dishonest attack against Stalin.
@@vladnikolaev1558 all over the place one big source of imformation that i use is professor Grover Furr from the USA his specialty of study is the Stalin and Khrushchev era's !
They had nothing they stole everything from Professor Viktor Glushkov when he refused to take their money! Next your going to say that they had a apollo satelite before the USSR had Sputnik!
Unfortunately this wasn’t put into full effect because the Khrushchevite opportunists would’ve lost political power
This would've been nice with some pictures and infographs maybe.. interesting regardless ^^
Imagine the Soviet Union not having to worry about foreign capitalist threats and their military being able to share their technology with the civilian sector, as it was always supposed to be...
Imagine to be opprest and putted into GULAG.
@@MrZyman “oppressed” 😉 but I get your point.
@@MrZyman imagine being oppressed and forced to work your entire life in a job you hate with bosses who see you as fodder to afford housing and food, otherwise you'd be homeless and starve. oh, wait, that's just capitalism, nevermind.
Lol, the capitalists actually shared their technology, so I don't know where you are getting with this argument.
Capitalists didn't share any information with the USSR @@rajuaditya1914
wow...had the USSR actually pulled off the original idea of using the internet in coordinating a planned economy, they might have actually formed a viable alternative to capitalism.
Possible but more things are needed to form a good alternative to capitalism.
absolutely just this alone would not have saved the Socialist project in the USSR.
Absolutely just this alone would not have saved the Socialist project in the USSR.
It was always viable. By that time they had replaced centralized planning with "market socialism" pioneered by Yugoslavia. This erroneous policy led to their Brezhnev era problems. Naturally, Stalin-style economic planning would also have come to problems eventually as well and some kind of update would still have been required.
Those who knows why soviet people always ate rotten apples laugh at this ridiculous statement.
This is an excellent talk. Thanks for sharing!!
Imagine if the Soviet Union invented the Internet and Crypto first
USSR did invented internet first (not the crypto curency tho).
Crypto would be completely against communist principles.
@@baltofarlander2618 yet it was detailed in the research paper about switching to some form of digital currency.
crypto is a joke
The notion that science was extremely rigid in the Stalin era is a false one. It was in the Khruschev era that science became elitist and rigid, even Stalin era scientific figures were adopted as unquestionable authorities. All the negative implications were then blamed on supposed Stalinist tendencies. De-stalinization happened already in 1956.
stalinists didnt believe in genetics and enforced lysenkoism ( strangely enough, this reminds me of the catholic church) ... not rigid enough?
Yes Stalin put Sputnik in space Khrushchev started the downfall with his treachery!
@@najgauner true but the science was in it's infancy!
So what about Lev Vygotskij?
@@friendofvinnie the rocket program actually started in 30s. The soviet intervention everywhere in the world started in 1950s
The soviet bureaucracy did not want communism
Lmaooo
They profited from it the most
@@baltofarlander2618 to a extent but they really profited from it after 1991 when they became over night billionaires by stealing government property
Unfortunately your right all they cared about was keeping their comfy chair and passing it on to their own children as a "inheritance" 🤬
In short yes. When the preservation of the bureaucracy became greater than the idea that originally founded it, its rigidity and failure to bend without breaking apart became a detriment to the development of society.
@@baltofarlander2618 communism and profiting off the working class? What an oxymoron!
Soviet computers industry need work to exportation
Cybernetics would have saved the USSR. We’ll do better next time!
People imply soviet planning lacked some computation/bandwith and feel sad it didn't have more.
In reality they were very far from using what they already had with phones and telegraph.
The iconic problem is soviet shop lines. You literally don't need any complex system to avoid that, just hire enough people. You don't even spend anything, because when there is a line you literally waste workforce you could put to shorten the line. Soviet system was never flexible enough.
Another problem was "storming", a state of shock and alert on any company in the last days of the month and then the last weeks of the year. It was an insane byproduct of measuring the whole economy at very definite moments. There are zero costs of avoiding it, just change KPI. But soviet system was never flexible enough
I can see some alternate timeline where the USSR invented the Internet, Crypto and online shopping to aleviate the problem with long shop lines and lack of goods. But of course that would be too "imperialistic" and efficient for the soviet bureaucrats who made their living off of being as inefficient as possible.
october 1971
India is Marching towards that money less economy .... we need more infrastructure ...
Chutiya, matlab kuch bhi.
the best wishes to Russian computers i praye no war to all... Russian Federation have a word to say to world....
bruh relax, this is just trying to say " oh well we were going to do all that...we just didn't wanna "
Please stalinism ended with Khrushchev's reform's! It's krushchevism if you will !
It's actually during Stalin his reign that the foundation was laid of cybernetics and the development of the nuclear technologies.
@@vladnikolaev1558 yes he set in motion everything but Khrushchev changed the country and ideology for the worse, away from socialism and towards capitalism which ended everything in the early 90s! That's the breaking point!
@@friendofvinnie Yes I agree. May I ask where you get your information from? Just curious.
@@vladnikolaev1558 Khrushchev was an opportunist and revisionist who was the first of many stepping stones of the USSR's demise. He was the one who started the de-Stalinization policy which first aimed to attack Stalin and his legacy for Socialism as a whole. This later led to all sorts of splits and conflict with a major one being the Sino-Soviet split. He was awful and Stalin made a mistake not to remove him from the party in time. There are even rumors that Stalin himself was poisoned by conspirators one among them being Khrushchev. If you want to learn more go ahead and check out a video that 'Finnish Bolshevik' made regarding Khrushchev's dishonest attack against Stalin.
@@vladnikolaev1558 all over the place one big source of imformation that i use is professor Grover Furr from the USA his specialty of study is the Stalin and Khrushchev era's !
They didn't bc America and Britain already had the arkanet which is now the internet.
The ARPAnet?
They had nothing they stole everything from Professor Viktor Glushkov when he refused to take their money! Next your going to say that they had a apollo satelite before the USSR had Sputnik!
Ehmm..ARRPANET was developed later.