How to: Vermont Title Loophole and why it doesn't work in Ohio
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- čas přidán 10. 01. 2023
- UPDATE: as of 2024, the Vermont Loophole has ended :(
Today we’re going to talk about the Vermont title loophole. How it’s supposed to work, all the documents and paperwork needed to get a Vermont title, and why it didn’t exactly work out for me living in the state of Ohio.
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When it comes to the DMV, it just depends on WHO assists you. Some DMV tellers are more lenient than others. I've actually walked out of the DMV (because of a difficult/strict teller) and returned another day just so i could get a different (and nicer) teller to help me....and ultimately getting my paperwork/title/etc. processed. A lot of these DMV tellers love to push you around (and give you a hard time) - just because they can.
I just got a free 87 XR4TI with no title/bill of sale from Michigan, had no issues when i did the abandoned vehicle title, took a little bit over 3 months, $200 and some running around a bit to the clerk, judge and DMV, but had no issues other wise.
OP: "Ohio is one of the WORST states in terms of DMV strictness."
NJ: "Hold my beer."
NY: amateurs
I'm in Ohio and I was very surprised at how easy it was to get plates for a 2 stroke dirt bike lol
Ohio is fun with registration too. Had a 1990 Aerostar a couple years ago. Argued with the clerk for way too long about needing the ECheck documents. It was 30 years old, technically a 'historic' vehicle, and 25+ year old vehicles do not need the ECheck. He eventually used a calculator on the date... and then let me get my registration :)
I do not miss living in an echeck county… what a hassle every two years.
Hope you read this comment. I had the exact same experience at the DMV in SC when I went to transfer my title from my '96 Dakota. They got out the big book and went into the room and chatted and pointed at me, etc. I found the truck in a junkyard after 10 years of searching for it. It was my grandfathers truck and also the truck I drove to highschool. The original title was shredded by the junkyard. Luckily I was even able to buy the whole truck from the junkyard. I was somehow able to obtain a Vermont title for it. I went to transfer it, and they said I couldn't. My situation was like yours except at the end of it, they said in the DMV system my vin was deemed "junked", or no longer existed. So I had 2 options, vin swap it, or turn it into a drag truck. So I am basically turning it into a drag truck now. I was going to drive it on the street with the Vermont plates, but it currently doesn't run. I was going to re-register it once I got it going later this year, but they just recently put an end to the Vermont loophole.
Basically with your car, your best bet was to sell it to someone who lives in Georgia, a no titling state.
I guess I got lucky trading it for that Honda when I did. It's a shame that so many good vehicles won't be able to be saved anymore.
if you run into a title issue again, its really easy and relatively cheap to get a bonded title in Michigan, and to my knowledge it should be super easy to transfered that to an ohio title.
Good to know, thanks!
Can that be done online or the mail?
I'm glad you posted this, I've been looking at a car that is pre 1974 from Alabama. The seller said 1974 and prior did not have a required title in Alabama, so the car he is selling does not have a title. I also live in Ohio, so this will probably be a major problem.
Yeah, I'd try to get an Alabama title before bringing it to Ohio.
Thanks. Hopefully TN DMV doesn't give me the same problem. DMVs should NOT punish honesty
The Vermont title loophole is over :(
You could “sell” the car with the Vermont title to your wife or a friend and they can easily go into the DMV and get an Ohio title then they “sell” it back to you. Little extra work and cost but they can’t really argue someone buying a car from Vermont and bring it to Ohio.
The only issue is if I sold them the car, they would get my old VT reg/title signed over to them. I'm not sure if that would do them any good to bring that into an Ohio DMV. It might depend if they get an angry manager asking 20 questions, or someone who's ready to get it done and clock out at 4:55 on a friday afternoon.
@@6thGearGarage I know someone that did it without any issue after having the same problem as you. For all they know that person bought the car from someone in Vermont. Can’t really argue it.
Also think you just got a bad dmv clerk. Go to a little small town dmv at the end of the day and they will probably get you the OH title without issue. Norwalk has always been great. I actually had a bigger dmv refuse to give me historic plates on my 89 Jeep before.
@@wrbWRX The manager was saying unless I could prove I bought the car from VT or I was a recent VT resident, they would not transfer the title. Sounds like I picked the wrong DMV.
@@6thGearGarage you could have found an Acura group in Vermont and pay someone to write you a bill of sale and a notarized letter. Find a old lady at the dmv and say this is your 5th time in there and it took weeks to contact the owner. Or go to a different one and tell them this is what they gave you as a drive out tag to drive it back to ohio.
@@dysonmetal That's a good idea, but it would have to be someone I really trust like a close friend/ or family member in VT. I'd have to sell the car to them, so it could go into their name, then buy it back and put it in my name. Then the OH DMV would see the VT title originated from a VT address and they wouldn't yell at me. I could have tried some other DMV offices, but I was reading on line that others in Ohio have had a similar experience to mine. OH sure doesn't make it easy.
I did this on my galaxie I just kept the Vermont tags since it's not a daily
Great Video! I tried to do the Vermont loophole for my motorcycle before I realized that Ohio is really tricky, just received the plate in the mail, and happened to see this video before I tried to get title transferred. My question is, is it really unreasonable to ride somewhat frequently with Vermont places? I live in the country, so I rarely have encounters with cops, but its bound to happen sometime. If I do happen to get pulled over, could there be any serious repercussions? Or would I just get a simple citation / warning? Thank you for the info, and sorry if that's a stupid question haha
What it comes down to is if a cop wants to give you a hard time, he can. I think the law in ohio is after you live here for 30 days, you are supposed to switch registration to Ohio. So if you show he cop an OH licensee with an address you've lived at for a while, he's going to know what's up and could cite you. I think there is a fine but I dont remember the amount. I never got pulled over when I was driving around OH with VT plates, but it was't that often.
Cool rim collection… did u end up keeping the enkies off the acura?
I really wanted them, but they matched the car so well that I left them on.
Anyone deal with Oregon? I have a lead on an old camaro - No title
Hey I recently just submitted step by step off this video. Thank you for making it simple. After watching a couple more vids I saw you’re supposed to put in your license number with state letters like Ct for Connecticut in the Vermont license spot on the registration form . Do you think this will be an issue or did u not fill it out and they not give u an issue ?
I just filled it out exactly as I showed and it worked for me so you should be good. They will let you know either way. 👍
Is it worth building a fist gen legend? I have my eyes on one but I’m worried about parts and aftermarket. From what I can tell there is a ton for the second gen but not the first.
So is it even worth getting a first or should I look for a second gen?
there's a lot more aftermarket for the 2nd gen. There seem to be plenty of used oem parts available for the first gen, except for crank sensors. Those are obsolete.
Thanks for posting this video! I have an old mustang with just a bill of sale that I bought as a parts car but it’s really too nice to cut up and and scrap! Problem is the bill of sale I have is from the guy I got the car from not the last titled owner ! Not sure if Vermont would accept that bill of sale that the name does not match the last registered owners name?
I think it is definitely worth a shot. The guy that sold me the Legend was not the last registered owner and it worked out for me.
@@6thGearGarage thanks man I’m gonna try!
I think David straight did a vid about this
I wonder how NY State would accept it. We do adjoin it up north so that may be why I see a reasonable number of VT plates, even down in NY City. Hmmm...
might be worth a shot, especially if closer to VT
NY does not require titles for cars pre 74 I think.
I would think that your Vermont registration is a legal document, showing your ownership and they would be obligated to honor it
Maybe in some other states, but not in Ohio... They're very strict.
Could you have a buddy transfer it to another state, then to Ohio? Might have to pay taxes a few times, but I don't see why that wouldn't work
I think that could work. If I kept the car, my plan was to transfer to a MI title using a relative’s address, then go from MI to OH title.
@@6thGearGarage I have done this exact scenario, a Vermont registration transferred to Michigan, and then onto Ohio. NO problem.
I have read that the loophole is now closed 😔
yea they never mention this in the comments. it closed a few months ago after this video
Has anyone tried to get a title in Colorado with a Vermont registration?
make a video on the honda fit!
There will be some fit videos coming soon :)
Can you sell it to someone in a neighboring state, have them title it, then buy it back?
I'm unsure about other states, but in OH, you have to have an Ohio title to sell the vehicle in the state of Ohio. So I'm wondering if the only state that I could sell a car with a VT title in would be VT?
@@6thGearGarage it’s interesting, because I’ve taken advantage of the loophole, but from people selling while living in vermont. (I live in Mass.)
Mass is just as much as a pain as Ohio when it comes to titles.
It’s so much of a pain, that if I’m buying a vehicle in Mass, I won’t even look at a vehicle that isn’t currently registered.
So should I try to sell or title the vehicle in the state it was last titled in?
I think that's the only "legal" way to do it.
This whole title thing needs to be fixed. It should never be this difficult to title any vehicle
I hear some states are pretty lenient when it comes to getting a title, but ohio is one of the worst.
@@6thGearGarage Pennsylvania is the communist state
They seemed to change title processes in my county? because now, instead of going to the DMV to do title shit, you have to go to the title office, so does that change anything??? I have a 87 200sx I got last summer, that came without a title and I want to be able to drive the thing. Is there a way to fix this?? I live in akron, ohio so idk how different it is in columbus or other parts of ohio. But they changed things up here a bit. Im just afraid to find out the car is stolen or something. Because accoding to the previous owner, the guy he bought it off of lost the title, and he just gave me the bill of sale, him and the previous owner had. So idk kind of messed up situation, but they NEED to change these old ancient laws, and realize that for some people cars arent just a form of transportation for some people, but a hobby and a lifestyle of sorts. AND vermont is the only state that seems to realize that, given that they allow you to get a registation for cars that are 15 years or older. Which is how all states should be, but I guess its just boomers in office, trying to effect peoples hobbies and interests and shit, idk, rant, but bit drunk and this shit pisses me off. Any help though??
I used to live in Akron and remember having to go to a main title office on 261 for title stuff. Then a regular DMV for renewing license and getting plates. So the seller did sketchy stuff, gave you the old bill of sale and not even a bill of sale between him and you. So you don't even have proof that you bought the car from him? If thats the case you're gonna have a hard time getting an ohio title for the car.
Would doing the Vermont title work up here in Canada?
I don't know how strict Canada is, but I wouldn't think it would work since it's not in the US.
You'd still need import docs
@@benboyle25 Would you need import docs if the car was actually native to Canada but wanted to use the Vermont title loophole?
@@1mzfe yes, because of it's suddenly got American documents it's not really native to Canada anymore
Does anyone know if CT has an issue accepting VT title/registration in this way?
The Vermont loophole is over. 🙁 they stopped doing it a few months ago.
@@6thGearGarage That's a bummer. Thanks for letting me know.
I was sad to hear that as well. I heard some people were using it to title stolen vehicles and that ruined it for everyone.@@prestonjoffe5279
@@6thGearGarage I'm not surprised to hear that. I think the whole loophole highlights a very clear issue within states DMV systems where people with title issues need a more reasonable recourse to be able to register their vehicle because we're all just trying to abide by their rules so we're not penalized.
We can't be bothered to provide a paperwork solution for you so you'll have to scrap your vehicle. WTF?!
Also, that tax on the NADA value is some bullshit.
100% but they want your $ any way they can get it.
For any one watching this video, the vermont loophole is no longer a thing.
Try again at another DMV you just got a ball buster clerk.
Wanna v6 swap a crx? I've got the shell you've got the drivetrain lol
This was a weird v6… but it only made like 160 HP. No vtec yo!
@@6thGearGarage that's triple what the d15 has lol
@@MrHarleyreinke this v6 would move a crx pretty good. They’re probably 1200 lb lighter than the legend.
I’ll buy the crx
Ohio moment.
I would buy the car from you
I don't have it any more.
Ohio sounds almost as bad as Californias SMOG for a per 90's......Very few places do it anymore let alone passing the dam thing....Was a nice try, I never heard about it....
Fail smog test twice and no registration for you...EVER....in Commiefornia
@@drewfleming7065 I'll choose rust over that bs any day. At least we can drive them until our frames fall apart.
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