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- čas přidán 8. 01. 2024
- My thoughts on the recent discussions about Sorare potentially removing or changing the thresholds for playing capped 240 competition.
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Making it harder to hit isnt the solution. Almost all of Sorares problrms right now are liquidity problems led both by Sorares leadership being clueless about deck building games (hardly anyone in their senior people gone from a game development background let alone has deck building gane dev experience. Their backgrounds are in crypto, business or general software dev) and being influenced by the complaints from whales. Liquidity in deck building games does not trickle down as some seem to think. With deck building games you are looking to improve your deck, that generally means buying better cards, better cards are generally held by people a level above you, not those below you. Prices fall because there isnt enough liqudity at the bottom which flows up. Makibg thesholds harder has made things worse, making them even harder will just increase the issue. The thresholds are not the problem its the progression path or lack of one. The thesholds should be something you want to reinvest and actually drive you to add more money but it doesnt because the setup is like the FA Cup where you might be Daisy Hill FC a 10th tier club but to win you have to beat those in higher tiers including tier 1 clubs. You just dont have the budget to compete. What we need is more of a league type setup, where you arent competing against the man utds and liverpools but against those at the same level. It would allow rewards to be spread more and give a clear progression which would encourage both any cash reward to be reinvested and also to invest more of own money. And that then increaes the money flowing up and would stabilise if not increase prices (and would also make more cards useful, you wouldnt need Salah, Bruno Fernades, Haaland cards at the lowest level to win rewards. The deck you need would need to improve at each level just like a teams squad needs to as they work through the levels. You could still have some everyone in the same pool competitions but we need more level based ones to encourage progression
This is probably the most thought-through opinion on this topic. No panic speculations about what could be. No thinking out of the blue, just realistic, logical and reasonable
Thank you boss man
Always one of the more measured Sorare youtubers. A foot in both camps it feels, not so big you have forgotten what it feels to be a little guy, but also successful enough to contend with the big dogs. I agree completely, any changes need to be subtle or they might upset the apple cart.
I really appreciate that comment thank you
All these content creators lobbying for reduced rewards prizes are making my head in. Its the other way around. The only thing that can save Sorare is a shift in trend and mindset. Not what Sorare needs to survive but what the new users need to join.
If they cant provide this the downtrend continues. Sorare needs to show strength not weakness. Its not like new or old users will take pity on them The funny thing is that they say they pay out as much as they did under the old successful threshold. The one that was so "unsustainable".
The money allocation should first go to where the new users are most likely to put their money. When the sentiment and trust increase so does the willingness to invest in more expensive scarcities. Therefore limited and rare should be prioritized. The limited premier league winter special is a beginning but it needs to be more consistent and persistent over time to rebuild interest.
I strongly disagree. They don't need to get things more difficult. Prior it was easier and the prices were sky high. They need to say "we're going to keep 240 as it is now for the next 3 years. Thresholds will be the same and requirements to win thresholds will not change". In that way users will be able again to program on a decent time span and prices will rise again. Right now every one is scared they might take down 240, so why keeping or buying a card? Is not worthed
I disagree but that’s the point of the video I guess 😁
I completely agree with you. Great video. The TH system works like a stability factor and a rescue package. As long as Sorare can afford it, the majority will stay that way. It was probably already the goal of the system to be established at some point without TH. But that was before ETH decline, before PL and Second Division's oversupply of cards and inflation. These parameters drove prices down and stalled Sorare's boom. Now Sorare has to be happy that the TH´s are stabilizing and supporting the entire Sorare system. In my view, they would have to invest now and not tax or deduct prices to reverse the trend of stagnation. The more Sorare pays out on a large scale the higher could be the demand.
You’ve got a lovely way with words! Couldn’t have said it better
Sorare is making more money than what they are paying out(60ish % of income pay out as rewards). They said the have enough cash for future. They never mentioned that they need to reduce cash rewards if anything they can ramp it up fro 60% to lets say 80-90%. So all this talk about making threshold hardwr or removing it make no sense. Solution is more cash to win with better cards, not removing cash from 240. All that talk about players taking cash out of platform is silly. Most of us are reinvesting it and adding every month more of cash from pocker not putting it in pocket
You’re just looking at expenses known, that doesn’t include staff costs or licensing costs. Making much less if not negative
hi bro
i love your vids have you seen the newcastle and sunderland match lol
I didn't go to it but would have loved to
love the video! I would say the credit makes sense for 240, because beating the game is "easier" than beating other users. I wouldn't equate finishing Top 100 in All-star rare as the same difficulty as reaching 280 in Cap-240. So Cap240 with credits would incentive people to stack credits to buy higher tier cards to finish "in the money" in Allstar, Champion Europe, etc. (I would also remove card rewards/have reward boxes as prizes in 240)
It would also mean another balance to maintain and you could only really use it on the primary market, not worth it imo
I have no idea why all this threshold talk has suddenly started. I'd be ok with the required score increasing, especially as time goes by and cards/collections level up, that contributes to them getting easier to reach. I'd be pretty unhappy if the were reduced or removed though. Tbh, if they were removed entirely I'd probably just take a hit and sell a large % of my gallery. I agree with you that I don't think they're getting removed though.
Don’t know where they came from … probably lack of sorare teams 😂
Or keep the th and put also the vouchers! Maybe cap 240 vouchers and 270 with credit
To be honest I think it would be really weird if they'd even change the score from TH's out of nowhere. But it could be possible they announce a 300 score or something at the end of the season. But I agree that they won't get rid of it. It would be really stupid imo and will lead to a lot of players leaving the platform.
Thank you for your take on it Alex!
Thanks for supporting 👊
@@SimplyAlexGaming I do support fairness on the game and I can only agree to raising it to 300 because I have the players to do it so I like to play for fun as much as money so makes people buy better cards tbh
Great well thought out outlook on Thresholds and caps in general! Love some of the comments too, people have given this a lot of time and effort
Cheers for always being here ❤️
Make it 300 but than make it 100$ and remove card prizes from cap 240!!! This is the solution if threshold is removed we are all leaving let the whales play against each other and suck it up!!!
Completely agree! I really like your Take on this topic. you just took some of my worries
Thanks mate! Hope I’m right 😂
I agree alex the big hitters kniw they uave better chances of winning and getting higher points consistently so yes like you said they would scrap 240 threshold abd put it into a reward pool where you need to smash it
The credit sounds great we could use that to purchase our fitness packs which then makes firness a much better thing to work with because you then have to enter the threshold to win the in game credit to buy the fitness packs. I prefer fitness packs over fitness centres because like teaining cebtres you can get the max because to put your card in a fitness centre means either hes missing a gameweek or in a gameweek there not playing.. thgat last bit dont make sence but itvsounds great in game credit for fitness packs so they will have coins and the credit thing you mentioned
The price drop began not when they began to pay in all rarities, but when they removed the small tx and made a cap to receive tx. Remove the tx and you will see a real drop in prices = the collapse of sorare.
The price fall fell well before that
When was the cap for tx introduced? When did the price collapse start?
good insight
Threshold is vital for me because when i make trades i need to add ETH and im a big holder of players so id hatevto havevto sell a player just tobget ETH to make a trade so yeah if threshold dissapears then my kife on sirare becomes much more difficult to make trades..
Yeah another balance to maintain doesn’t sound fun 😂
@@SimplyAlexGaming sorry typing quick my phone's likes to write incorrectly
Im all over this alex😆😆😆 so thats why people ask will sorare be around in 2 years because of the adding ingame credit instead of cash ir ETH then yes sorare will collapse in a few years like FANZONE that was all in game NFT and merchandise and it just collapsed notblong ago and i won a Germany u21 fully signed shirt but FANZONE is now dead because it was all in game credit etc
I need the announced Announcement asap, I want to know things for sure now and not speculate anymore lol
Yeah the stars being stars is tricky, I’m heavy champ euro anyway but buying some more prem can’t hurt … can it ?? 😂
@@SimplyAlexGaming yeah for sure my SR 240 team is mostly Champ Europe anyways but getting some more quality R/SR Champ Europe guys just in case as I wanted to work towards Rare/Rare Pro Champ Europe or Allstars anyway with the THs I will hopefully win and with the stars will be stars its probably gonna be Champ Europe lol
Whats happened to the 270 rewards box for limited? 🤔
It was a test. I suspect reward boxes will come back
@@SimonWakefieldUK yeah I think it was like 10,000 entered for 200 cards but reward boxes I think 4,000 I think they should of used the reward boxes to get items to build up your stadium but they have given all the stadiums out for free.. that's not showing your reputation or ID you gave the stadiums away for free instead of adding them to reward boxes so we can get the shit to build them
@@Sorare-freecash No they shouldn't have. What are fairly pointless cosmetic items should never be a reward. It should be restricted to cards, cash, experiences, merch,jerseys and game benefiting items (for example xp boosts, I would say training teams but imho that can be worthless for many. I have enough keepers and cards in general I could submit a fair few extra training teams but I know people who can't even use the free training teams let alone need extra)
No announcement causes market Uncertainty.
I agree beat the game is here to stay, format will change.
Bigger eth payouts weekly is a way to drive up prices of the top cards in divisions
Rewards removed from beat the game is the correct decision, offer eth payouts for top 5 and 10, maybe 30 in limited. These could be credits.
Great vid
Yes to it all except top end payouts being credits
@SimplyAlexSR I just meant in cap 240, but yep doesn't feel right does credit's. If it was cap 240, they could spin it as progression.
Oh one more thing, the biggest prob of cap 240 is the ghost accounts that trade cards between each other for free and owned by 1 person where he hits the TH 20 times per GW. I believe every account should be linked to the actual ID or passport, not IP check etc, VPNs can easily bypass that. this is the one and only way to battle multi accounts. if this is fixed, then sorare would save a looot of money, and nothing would need to be changed.
Great point if there is exploitation we need to introduce further checks to allow entry into that competition
I think slashing the THin half and only give card rewards to top 10 or podiun, would be better than increasing to 300 while the cap is still 240, or maybe make the requirement of cap 240 only new season cards (which i dont agree with but i can see it as way to keep ppl investing in cap 240 each year and this way i honestly dont see a way where u r going to milk the system that hard this way coz i believe u would need at least 250 to 300 min to have a decent enough team to hit, and if they hit the TH 6 times a season is when u recupe your investment, and if that happened, the L15 are for sure are more than 240 which would make you buy more players.
Yeah cutting or increasing seems like equally good options if that was their plan
this aged badly lol
Yeah I’ve been debating a reaction video
please do, I think some people need to speak up a little wether the changes are needed or not, it al seems a bit rushed, This is already like the 5th time they start changing really wildly and just want the community to addapt, collections we all bought for the % bonus to stay competitive now old cards are devaluated, It just feels like they make this games for whales only while the little player is keeping this game alive with transaction fees etc, theyre also competing on secundary market now, I think its ok to do that but it just feels that they take and take and try to give as little back. worst part is, I think they know it. They just couldn't care less about the small guys, As much as I loved this game since 2021 its turning more sour every day. @@SimplyAlexGaming