EXCLUSIVE: Bosch eBike Systems CEO Talks SX Motor! | EMBN Show 285
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- Welcome back to another weekly EMBN Show! On this week's show, Steve Jones and Adam Walda are just about to leave Eurobike in Germany. We catch up with Claus Fleischer, the CEO of Bosch eBike Systems to ask him about the new SX motor. We also check out Cool Places, Bike Vault, and more!
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00:00 - Intro
01:28 - Bosch Performance Line XC Vs Performance Line CX
09:22 - Frey
10:32 - Cool Places
12:22 - Feedback
15:47 - Weekly Question
16:23 - Bike Vault
18:27 - Getting Social
19:17 - On The Channel
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Where do you think you are within the graph? Do you think you can get the potential from a full-power motor, or would a mid-power motor suit you better?
I have orbea rise and think it perfect I get plenty of climbing traction and more fun on downs.
aslong as they work with speedbox i dont care
Hi guys, great show. I've had 3 Levos. I have had a Kenevo sl for a year and a half. I've never really liked it, I've been riding my Creo most of the time lately, along with my regular bike, too. Anyway, I decided to get the Kenevo sl out and give it another chance. I can't believe it. It's a different bike to ride now that im a lot fitter again.
Now I totally get it. It's shaved 25 years off my age, and feels great. Im absolutely loving my Kenevo sl. I would say i can get up most technical climbs no problem. Time will tell though.
Currently it is much cheaper to buy a full Trek powered full range eMTB compared to the low torque/weight Trek bikes. I suspect the SX bikes will be more expensive than the low torque/weight bikes making them even more expensive that the full powered bikes.
Being of the later years, I do like the grunt of the full power mode. Although completely understandable as to why someone would want a lighter mid range or even low assist motor. As I do regularly work above the 25km uk limiter could you tell me which motors have less friction to overcome once above the limiter?
The most interesting from an engineering POV was Pinion e12.1 not the SX even though there are no real tests yet
Despite me cutting my thumb on the cut open Pinion E1.12, I don't regret shedding blood for the insights gained! Now, acceleration from start and support feeling at 27km/h felt a bit sub par in comparison to turbo mode Bosch CX sport, but the good thing is, it's all software caused! Since the same mgu can be used in 45 km/h s-pedelecs as well.
@@PhilosoFoxthe 45 kph version is VERY impressive
Agreed although the SX will still make a great option
I'm also looking forward to test the Pinion MGU in a hard tail eMTB. Hope there will be one and not just fullys...
It's a tough choice between better shifting and lower maintenance /cleaning and 8kg lower weight (for the same price). I heard that the pinions are loud going uphill.
The pinion motor gear box unit was the most revolutionary product this year. I would love to have a bike with that. Imagine not having to clean and lube your chain before every ride! And no derailleur or hanger to break.
imagine more stuff to break and hasving to fix it more often than a shimano motor
@@anonymousone6075 tell us about the reliability of boss motors. I will tell you. I have changed 3 in less than 1 year
@@johnpashos1257 boss? u mean brose?
maybe embn could have put this much effort in to reporting on and testing the pinion motor / gearbox.. or is this their major sponsor spot.. just saying.. :)
They're CANYON's whores, dude.
These two really have no clue. Rob rides is on the pulse of innovation
Hi there, yes of course, and we're really looking forwra dto riding this excting piece of tech. But only when we're able to ride in proper off-road terrain. We spun around a car park and changed gears in Frankfurt but that's a long way off a remote scottish bog where you could flood the motor, snap a cable or break off the controller right?
@@tomquimby8669 I'm happy our cluelessness continues to entertain you, maybe this can be reciprocated with a visit to see us at some point. You know you're always welcome.
@@stevejones7956 I went to Eurobike but did not see you. Did find Kara and Cardy though, nice couple. Perhaps September when the flyer MGU will be available to test.
I'm a full fat kind of guy, mainly because with an EMTB I now enjoy steep and technical climbs that challenge what is possible on a bike. Rider ability counts for sure, but motor torque makes what was impossible, possible.
SX is a superb evolution of the CX motor but Pinion E1.12 definitely takes the cake on Innovation, albeit more longer term impact. Looking forward to you guys putting one through its paces in a future video. 👍
SX looks good to me. What was that beautiful unmarked bike with the SX motor you were testing? It looks fantastic!
this show has well and truly gone to the dogs!😄
I agree with the light to full power chart, but I would add bike design on the y axis. If you want a proper burly bike then you move further towards full power.
Would be great to of seen the trails you were riding as it’s now down to perception of what is steep and techi
Stevie and Adam ....a couple of goof balls! But really enjoy your guys enthusiasm!
That was actually a great graph in the dirt.
We have a 1000 watt limit here in Oregon when are these over priced under powered bikes going to address our market? The Frey might be heavy but at least they have some power.
Never work with animals or children😅. As an engineer (retired), that explanation was one of the best I have seen regarding motor power.
Thanks Mike that's very kind, i align myself with the former hence bringing in the expert
Can someone explain, what today is superlight bike? TQ, Fazua, new specialized are all 50Nm or above, so not sure to what Bosch SX is being compared to? I am really interested in direct compare of TQ, Fazua, SL 1.2 and Bosch SX :)
Nice Video 👍🏻 Dog Scene was epic 😂👍🏻
Funny right!
like the graph, would be good to put some data points on, like riders average power. given this info it could narrow down the selection process further.
Go for the full power, if you want a challenge just turn the power down, ok so the bike is a few kilos heavier but you can have it all. To go lighter drink a few less beers and lose 5kg body weight.Simples!
2:44 Looks that Mondrakers at the background .... maybe the 2024 model?
Does it help the range? Any idea on how much more, percentage wise?
Is the range extender compatible with cx motors?
Full power
Always full power. But I am an old moto guy so the weight does not bother me at all while riding. Also why i like to run the handguards. Ride the same local backyard trails i do on the moto that get overgrown faster than i can keep up with the trimming.
Get it, and love the explanation, but I have a Shimano EP8 and I can use it as i want, depending on the terrain or distance. I can set it up on the fly (app). If I want more power I set it up more torque or more assist; If I want range or distance, I choose less assist and torque. Also the skills of the rider do count. Weight of the bike? of course, but here comes the rider fitness. So the question for me, still remains. Keep it up boys!
Brilliant Information.but I'm afraid the dog was the star of the show :-)
Brilliant 😂. Back to the motor I just got my first ebike I went for CX smart system simple fact is I'm using it to loose weight first before get back to hitting trails like before so with not knowing the motors never ridden one I went for Germanys Cube stereo action team 160 with the bosch smart system I wanted that extra tourqe to kinda help with the weight of me aswell I seem to thing these motors as in apply alot weight they'll just not move and slip or just not be able but having getting it I've not had a chance to get out on it cause of the weather but I even thought the same with the suspension but how wrong I was! Totally different from my old kona stinky back in the day the cube is double the bike so
Can't wait to get out as it's sitting in the hall doing nothing just now but hopefully Monday after the weekend storm!
Full Power! Or just be on a Manual bike! My eBike outputs 160Nm and would not have it any other way! BaFang Motor.....but I have 54 lbs to try and tame...
I wouldn't even want nothing under 160Nm.
Could describe the light powered trend in one word 🤣🤣🤣
My 5 years old cube stereo hybrid carbon (120mm travel / 2,35 rims/ old Bosch CX / 500) weight around 20 Kg.
So the idea of working with range extenders, and part's that fits the needs (not everyone need 170mm travel and 2,6 rims ) are great.
The so called lightweight bikes are often more CC Bikes and the full power bikes became all AM or enduro....with big Batteries...therfore the weight increase. Its like with cars especially SUV. Everything we invented in efficiency to save energy and weight was put in more comfort.
Agree on that frey dopamine it suffers with the same thing all freys do, it's way too heavy.
Plz make a video on touring ebike which has mod drive 1500w plus , long range with extra space for batteryto load on, F/R carriage etc 🙏🙏🙏🙏
XLnt ! only on EMTB !
Agree with the graph for capabilities, but doesn’t correlate to what im looking for in an ebike.
My goal is to do more lap in the same 2h ride, and spinning 120 rpm on the way up to access the 600watt doesn’t make sense, and if i would do it, the 400wh battery would last 40 min…
BUT, if you are a 200lbs rider and you ride with a 130lbs rider (for example your wife) , then she doesn’t need the same power output to get up the hill at the same speed. So in that context, the bigger rider on the Cx and lighter on the Sx would be logical and she would benefit the lighter weight bike.
Another case would be a less fit rider that ride with very fit people on analog bike. Then the Sx motor make sense.
If you’re a very fit rider that ride with less fit rider on full power ebike, Sx motor make sense again.
IMO, that’s where having different motor/battery size and power shines, giving people the possibility the choose what better suits there needs.
Myself, coming from MX , full power with big battery is my choice
the SX makes no sense, there fixed your post for you.
Class forgotten everything you said cant stop thinking about the dog funny lads 😂😂
27kg is too heavy
In a totally unrelated comment with absolutely jack-sh1t to do with this video, but designed to make you think I'm great, this tiotally reminds me of that time, Big Ste' (I call Steve Jones that, he's my big mate) he turned to me and, I'll never forget what he said, he said, "Who the fcuk are you and why are you following me round trying to be my mate, you fcuking pr1ck?!" Aww man, we just fell about, cracking up, pissing our sides, well I was as Steve (Big Ste') was filling me in.
Aaah, the Maritim hotel… last time I was there, mice were running around the restaurant. They assured me they were not going in the kitchen. Well educated mice, I suppose 😂
CX for me! I do have one question, what’s the difference between the riding modes? Eco is obvious but I only use auto as there doesn’t seem to be any difference in auto, emtb and turbo?🤷🏼♂️
I have Eco, Tour+, EMTB and turbo on mine.
Eco is 50% assistance
Tour+ 60% to 340% ( basically a souped up version of eco and doesn't use much more power)
EMTB 140% to 340% ( also the only mode with extended boost where the motor doesn't cut out as soon as you stop pedalling, useful for when you would get pedal strikes but still need the extra oomph to clear an obstacle)
Turbo always 340%
say you pedal with 1kg of force, if the motor was giving 100% assistance it would be adding an extra 1kg of force
Auto is like tour+ but designed more for maintaining speed so better for commuters and should be restricted to city bikes imo
you should ask your bike shop to put on Tour+ instead of auto if you ever get it serviced or whatever
I am a little concerned about the need to put out 120 RPM to get the 600 watts of power. That is spinning really fast. How much wattage do you get at lower cadences like 70 to 90 RPM?
8:10 was that a bunch of poodle :/ terrible pun 🤣🤣
I like idea of full fat motor in lighter frames
Full power for me.
Are CX and SX interchangeable?
It's all about continuous power rating peak is a joke for a very short time before thermal limits the output
wow so much effort to give the minimum possible..
Purchase ALL the boost.. Learn about your system's power & range adjust abilities.. & use the modes constantly
The graph, the dog lady, the new fella is trying hard.. naa keep up the good work Adam..
Where's any new ABS stuff?..
That Ducati, sweet, wish they made their own..
Is the SX line more reliable than the CX line? Doubtful...
Appreciate the Y axis was “system capability”. I would have thought if this was “rider capability, the charted line would slope the other way. i.e; The more capable you are as a rider (skill+fitness) the lower power you would need for a given outcome on given terrain. I appreciate the sentiment of the graph, but it would put a normal MTB off limits. MTB, Light EMTB, Mid EMTB, Full MTB is kinda a spectrum.
Eurobike 2023 Pinion MGU. Galper disk shark.,single piece lazer cut with advanced thermal management design. TwoNav Terra Gps European made with quality maps per country for much less than Garmin. Bulls single pivot design for the MGU, noticeably responsive to road imperfections. Plus the opportunity to see quality youtube influencers Kara Beal and Tom Cardy.
moooooreee we need more new bosch motor advertisements!!
seriously.. one is enough.
We'd tag this as an ad if it was one. It was just to give some insight to people who are trying to make a decision, sorry it offended you
@@stevejones7956 no it doesn't but embn just talks about it to much in almost every material since motor premiere. New bosch motor, new bikes witch new bosch motor, hottest bikes with new bosch motor at euro bike.. etc
Look in the comments, ppl would like to know more about real revolution in emtb.
I believe choosing a lightweight EMTB or full power one is relatively easy to do. A lightweight EMTB, is better for experienced and fitter riders; a full power is for everyone but especially for beginners and intermediates among others. Indeed, a beginner will use the higher modes more, will often find themselves in unforeseen situations (technical trails). So a full power gives peace of mind, a feeling of security that a beginner or intermediate can get out of all kinds of situations and take full advantage of all forms of trails. The bottom line is that you could go wrong with a light weight, but you won't with a full power that also is less expensive in most cases anyway.
What a load of rubbish. Think again.
Bosch motors are the best…get a gear box motor done asap before you get left behind! Gear box motors ARE THE FUTURE…near future!
just another over priced piece of junk by a manufacturer that prides itself on being expensive, you can have it!
CX for men....
SX for women who are mostly half the weight of a real man
Can you tell us please about reliability?😂😂😂😂😂
Cx for me,sx just doesnt cut it