DCS Hind Tutorial #2- Landing | Real Apache Pilot Plays DCS World
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- čas přidán 18. 06. 2021
- Continuing our basic maneuvers tutorials with landing the Hind, both to an improved surface with a rolling landing as well as to a point in an austere location.
The concepts and techniques presented are A way not THE way. These are what work for me given my experience flying western aircraft. Your mileage my vary.
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This what I like about military pilots flying flight simulators. You see them having fun, goofing around doing crazy stuff.
And then, when they start to do tutorials...it’s top notch 👍🏻
just small advice :) I´ve 600fh on Hind. When landing it's not like a standard light helicopter using flare, in the final phase of landing, from 150 ft you need to have already balanced performance, then you should just slightly pushing forward with cyclic and at the same time reducing the collective...still keep in mind 12 tons :)
Yeah that tail is a big one. I’m trying to balance my own experience with the Apache (slightly smaller) with this being in DCS. I imagine the real thing behaves a little differently than in game.
THe real hind? :O
i would argue against reducing collective while setting up the landing configuration from the flare, but that's just a Hip experience speaking here. flare, reduce pitch to 5-8 degrees, manage the final slowdown and height witht collective (raising). What you suggest is killing our rookies in simulator sessions. (i only spent two years D-own and V-ront sitting on the bumper calling trees and wires).
Proper helpful, thanks Casmo; I just saw another "tutorial" (that sadly garners more views) where the guy was reeling off numbers while slowly drifting out of control, which I'm perfectly capable of already, so good to see a decent demonstration.
Which lesson tells us where not to step?
“Put your foot here here here and here, do NOT step here here or here!”
@@CasmoTV No step on snek
@@CasmoTV I've got a pocket full of quarters for Zulu Program. Strawberry gum?
"I am the greatest!"
@@CasmoTV How can I put my foot in 4 places at once?
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.... flashbacks.... so many flashbacks😢
"Slow is Smooth....And Smooth is Fast" :) Love It!!
Tips from my football coach 😅
THIS, is how you do a tutorial. Quick, concise, professional lol Thanks Casmo
and when you have your radioaltimeter set and slow down with wheels up, it even tells you to "drop wheels".
cyclic braking during rolling landings is depreciated as you're risking a tail strike. there's some limit on aft cyclic, probably tighter than Hip's half cyclic travel backwards.
Reviewed this rolling landing technique several times and today managed my first landing that we walked away from - that felt good!
We won't talk about the number of airframes I've written off!
Thanks for the excellent tutorials.
I landed just fine from a hover and took off just fine after a rearming...without my gear down. I DID GOOD! Did good.
I find the hind very easy and straightforward to land. ED nailed this out of the park once again and she is surprisingly maneuverable and fast holy easily maintain 280km. What shocked me tho is the hind very easily maxed out its max takeoff weight which I was surprised. Anyway great video.
Yeah I also was surprised how quickly you exceed the weight considering its designed to carry troops as well. Makes me wonder how much fuel was in all the ones I've seen flying
the best landing tutorial I've seen so far! I knew VRS & "weathervane-ing" was gonna kick my butt but didn't know it translated to the Hind until I started flying it. Thanks to your tutorial, I did my first landing without breaking the wheels 👍👍
Excellent
Very helpful, thanks!
I hope you also do a guns/rockets tutorial for the Hind. I know several of them already exist, but they mostly just show how to configure the weapon systems. The actual gun run is usually just described as "put the crosshair on the target and fire". And I can do that more or less. But I'd very much be interested to learn how to properly execute a helo gun run from a flying technique perspective. What are typical flight parameters during approach? How to best line up a shot? Whats the proper procedure to make corrections and keep the crosshair on the target? etc.
Working on it
Came here from Growling Sidewinder, stayed for the content! Nice job!
Without Casmo, I would’ve still been rolling in the dust.
Thanks for all that info!! ill make sure to use it!!
ED should hire you to develop the in-game training.
I DO need a job 🤷🏻♂️
@@CasmoTV After I got out of the USAF, I went into programming including military and law-enforcement sim training. If you got a free trip to Afghanistan in the last 10 years, you probably went through one of mine. I worked with a lot of former pilots as SMEs and PMs on these projects. But it's feast or famine type of work.
@@CasmoTV No joke, you should reach out to Wags or NL/BN on the ED Discord. You'd be perfect to voiceover pretty much all of their in game Helo tutorial missions.
@@ravagetalon ive spoken to wags a few times and even interviewed him on the channel.
ED already has people on the dev team who are actually pilots of soviet choppers. They could hire him for the upcoming apache though. :)
Extremely useful Casmo, and straight to the point! Thanks!
Great tutorial vidéo, thank you for sharing !
I enjoy flying that big helicopter in DCS in VR a lot and your videos are very helpful.
Just awesome I finely manage to land in a field thank you so much !!!
Thanks for this. Along with watching you with Growling Sidewinder, I think this has really got me there with understanding landing. There's understanding and managing to get past the 'controlled crash' stage but it's def getting me there 😅
Just keep at it. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.
Can you show the fastest (time-wise) tactical/emergency landing possible? i.e "taking heavy fire" or "fire in the cargo compartment" or "I need to be on the ground NOW!" /thanx
Thank you for taking the time to make this informative lesson for us Casmo.
Thanks for watching it
Loved it!
Thank you, Sir. Really like this module.
Thank you. My landings closely resemble a train wreck!😆
Quality content!
Great video
smooth stuff ! :) I would really like to see a tutorial where we can see how you trim the hind during flight maneuvers
Thanks for the video :) I'd managed takeoffs now, kind of hovered a bit, and exploded every time that I tried landing. I think I'd tried a rolling landing when not on tarmac, and also probably descended too fast; I shall try to avoid it in the future :)
Great video, Casmo. Really helps to learn with your good explanations and super flying. Any chance to get a video on how to manage side slip when flying, turning properly and staying on target when using unguided weapons?
Editing shooting right meow.
Thanks! I wondered what you thought of the VRS being exaggerated. Ex Huey Crewdog here, with some stick time, don't remember pilots talking about it much, cept one time in a 8+ formation landing and some settling with power issues. The Huey feels like I remember for the most part but the whole VRS thing is too much I think. Also, loosing your rotors when overtemping the engine. I recall being torque limited most. This was 84-94 time period.
Yeah VRS is WAY too common in DCS.
Bene trying for two weeks straight and cannot for the life of me land the Hind! Hopefully this video will help
Really enjoying the technical/tactical hind vids. Noting the metric/imperial difference between Russian and US helos, could you pls put some addendum text on-screen when you discuss parameters in imperial but the hind instruments are in metric (eg 300ft/m = 5m/s). Saves re-recording, but makes it much more relevant to those flying the hind.
Really helpful. Quite addicted to your channel now! Subscribed.
That’s what we like to hear!
@@CasmoTV An idea of video for you since you prefer showing techniques over system functions. I looked everywhere to find a video explaining how an attack chopper like the Hind is used in an escort scenario. Escorting MI-8 transporting troups ... or a convoy. Would the Hind fly few miles in front to open the way, or would stay close? Really difficult to find good information about military escorting strategies. If you do have knowledge about this, it would be AWESOME.
Great tutorial.
^ what he said
Awesome video, I keep practicing spot landings but I find I’m suffering dynamic rollover on hitting the deck a lot of the time. Power settings, descent rate and forward speed all as per tutorial. Seems to happen when I’m neutralising controls which is done slowly and smoothly. Any ideas? Cheers.
Maybe your decent rate is too high? Idk.
@CasmoTV >>> Is that _'blade pitch angle'_ gauge something that is common to other helicopters?
Great video, very helpful! Just a note, the vertical speed indicator is in m/s.
Old dog new tricks.
Came here to find out whether the vortex ring state is a little exaggerated in the DCS Hind or not. hm, the pilot here says it is, but maybe for the heavy and powerful Hind it isn't? Or is it?
Thanks Casmo, looking great. Like a true pro!
That massive boot of right anti-torque as you transition to hover is still catching me out more often than not. It seems to lose tail rotor effectiveness quite easily.
I suspect there is a lot of torque in those big engines. Bringing in power early and gently will help.
@@CasmoTV Just another excuse to fly and practice 😂
Great tutorials Casmo, make it look so easy 👍
Outro music is cool. Is it Miami Vice?
@Casmo I am going to go practice now and imagine your calm voice as the flames and debris spread. Are you using the autopilot on yaw?
All me.
Cant land this thing to save my life, but outstanding video though, well done.
I wanna get this FM soon during the Steam's Summer Sale.
How difficult is it to land this beast in comparison to the other rotor crafts such as OH-6 or UH1H FM?
Best tutorials on the helicopter DCS aviation on the internet by a country mile. Your videos have taken me from fixed wing rl and sims to rotary novice in four days. Prior to these I couldn’t get any helicopter off the ground let alone land. Light bulb went off the rest is practice, practice, practice. Great stuff thank you for taking the time to share, record and edit the content. Easiest sub ever.
Excellent video as always Casmo. Curiously do you fly with any autopilot channels on? If so which ones? I've been struggling with fighting them.
Honestly I haven’t messed with them. I think pitch is on automatically?
@@CasmoTV on hot/auto start pitch and roll are on my default
You didnt even turn the fan on, how can i be sure you know what you're doing?
/s, awesome video Casmo!
I found the fan switch last night. #ProGamer
When do we get to insert a Spetsnaz team into a Hot LZ?
Any tips on the proper technique to correct drift? if I yaw into it it does correct the drift but now I'm no longer on the correct heading which in itself needs more corrections to get back to the original course if I try to correct it with cyclic sometimes the drift just seems to follow throughout the manoeuvre 🤷🏻♂️.. Maybe flying with some degree of drift is tolerable but coming from fixed wing it just feels odd to be crabbing all the time.
You will crab a lot in RW. the nose and your direction are not always the same so you just have to correct for your flight path heading.
@@CasmoTV thanks for clarifying!
Watching the pitch angle was key. Very unforgiving if you ease off the collective too much. Landings have been much better. Thanks again!
Great lesson Casmo, is the VSI in the Hind in feet or meters? I do agree that entering VRS seems bit too easy in these Russian heli’s but I’ve never flown them or any heli that heavy.
It’s probably meters. I don’t think before I talk.
I got this too and why is it hard to take off? LOL It's easy to take off with the Shark but not this one i start to spin out haha. How do you turn off those overlays on the upper left and right corners?
Control enter
@@CasmoTV Thank you!
Hello casmo, I wanted to ask you something, I when I land on the grass in DCS with rotated helicopters, I always put the handbrake before touching the ground, to make sure to have a skate effect and not slip, sendo you is a right thing to do?
If it works 🤷🏻♂️ but that’s not something we typically do IRL.
So 11 degrees estimated collective for landing?
How did you toggle the info at the bottom of the screen that showed airspeed
Alt Y I think. Twice.
is it possible to make high altitude hover on hind?
i found it out, there is auto hover.
Hello Casmo, really enjoying your videos,been watching them a lot lately as I'm preparing myself for the DCS AH64. When it comes to the DCS Mi-24 Hind however, I'm having real issues flying this thing precisely at anything but high speeds. At low speeds it's so nervous in flight, esp. in pitch and yaw, and it looks nothing like when you watch footage of the real thing (The Ka-50 is a piece of cake to fly precisely for me by comparison). However not being a rotorhead I can't say wether it's realistic or not that it is so twitchy. What's your impression Casmo?
I think she feels about as right as I expect it to. For my money the best feeling helicopter in DCS right now.
@@CasmoTV I see, I guess the real thing requires a lot of finesse to fly then. I hope the Apache is more stable, it certainly looks like it when you watch the POV vids of it flying low level along narrow forest rivers.
I'm thinking of getting a helicopter in DCS, I like the look of this Hind and might get it when it comes to release version.
What would you recommend as a starter module to getting to grips with helicopter flight?
I wouldn’t wait. Why pay full price later? Honestly this is a great starter cause it’s multi crew and the flight model is better overall than the Huey. IMO
I would get the Mi-8. From what I've flown it's a little bit more friendly when it comes to hover and entering VRS ring state and there are lots of similarities between the Mi-8 and Mi-24. Mi-8 is almost complete minus multicrew and minor details whereas the Mi-24 just came out into early access, but it does have multicrew. Up to you but I would get a Russian helo. They are the most fun and rewarding in my opinion. Don't start with the Ka-50 though, it's quite complicated.
I have all the Helos, if you want to learn the Hind just get the Hind. It is perfectly usuable in it's current state and like Casmo says it is on sale.
@@Johnny641 Thanks. I got it on the 2 week trial, playing around with joystick curves, can get it to within 5' of landing then it all goes pear-shaped. Will buy it and maybe trial the Mi-8 as well - there's some good training vids on that as well.
@@kafka8886 Awesome, have fun.
Great video sir. I know there are so many different hotas out there and they are all different but may I ask what are your Curve Settings for Pitch, Roll, Collective and Yaw?
I owe you an answer.
@@CasmoTV No sir, You don't " owe " me anything. I just wanted to know so I can try to replicate and see if yours helps better then mine.
I wanna say I put around 20-30 on the collective. Otherwise no curves.
@@CasmoTV Okay, Thank You sir
@@CasmoTV By the way, Do you you recognize the insignia in my profile picture sir?
i would love to know your opinion on the flight model of this module
I think it’s great. VRS happens a little too easily like the hip, in my opinion but maybe they are like that in real life. Otherwise she’s very fun to fly and feels right.
@@CasmoTV I've heard that the MI-8 and MI-24 are pretty susceptible to VRS IRL. I don't know how true it is, I've never flown one.
Hi everyone. Not sure what I'm doing wrong but I see to have an electrical problem. Everything looks to be turned on when it should be but I get the VERT GYRO 1/2 FAIL lights flashing in the top left of the instrument panel, the ADI has a couple of flags on it and a bunch of indicators don't work, including the Rotor Pitch Angle Indicator. All of the switches on the RADIO NAVIGATION row are on and everything that should be is turned on on the AC and DC electrical panels I think. Any idea what's missing? Thanks.
Ah, think I found my problem. I hadn't realised that the TRANSFORMER switches on the AC Power panel are 3 position (and they were in the middle position, rather than up). If I start in the air and then move the switches to the middle position, I get the same problem.
The more you know. I was stumped.
Maybe I have missed something, but my Hind spins out of control when I am close to the ground despite of my careful maneuvering and rudder pedals.
Are you pulling power in gradually during the decent or rapidly at the bottom?
Yes, I am pulling it as gradually as possible.
i always get too slow and fall like a rock lol
You said power what do are you reffering to , collectIve or throttle power.
Do you change the throttle power at all?
Collective. Throttle should just be open
@@CasmoTV or as 'open' as the governer lets you be ;)
maximum speed for touchdown when landing in fixed-wing manner is 80kmh and not more. you have NEVER use rotor air braking, except main brakes failure. and so on, and so on
Thanks for watching
this video is the most viewed in afganistan at this moment XD
LOL!
One question. How do you deal with the YAW AP channel?
I don’t turn them on.
@@CasmoTV Thanks for the reply Casmo, it's what I thought. They are so much effort in the current implementation and cause a lot more problems than they solve. It's a shame as I doubt that they are this horrible in the real chopper.
Also, subscribed. :) Keep up the good work!
I would use it for a long flight just to maintain heading but not when I’m maneuvering.
dont you have track ir? why dont you just lean over to the side to get a better view forwards ?
Why not just kick it out of trim and be comfortable 🤷🏻♂️
At about 03:21 in this video:
_'Temporary Autogyro Mode'_
🤭🤭🤭
Watching your flying makes me feel so out of practice with helis, you make it look so easy to get the speed off and hit your point without over flying and going around. Anyways, compared to a real Apache, how does this one feel? I get the sense the hind just in general likes to maintain forward airspeed a lot more and is probably less agile, but I've never had a good Apache simulation, nor have I flown a real one, so I don't know what to expect in a couple months. I imagine the Apache will feel more similar to the KA-50, but with a conventional rotor design, giving it more directional agility at a hover than the KA-50.
Hind feels pretty good. I think Apache will have a similar feel. Shark is just funky.
@@CasmoTV Interesting, perhaps it's just a systems limitation that the Hind feels like it has to be flown like a FW, though it's growing on me.
Damn, I find CASE I's far easier with the F14 than even starting up and taking off with the hind. Am I the only one that sucks with helicopters in DCS?
Not at all lol
@@CasmoTV If fixed wing aircraft really are the same in dcs than in real life, without having to worry about gforces I could fly one but this? No way. I also don't have ruddar pedals which makes it so that I have to twist the whole time and keep that twist. It's constant work flying a heli, in a fixed wing you can just put on t he auto pilot and go to bed.
Hi Cosmo. Thank you for many fantastic videos! You are showing us your way of flying the Hind - however it does not have a lot in common with real world Mi-24 procedures. Running landings should be executed at 40-50kph. The limitation is 80kph. Vertical speed should be max 0,5m/s. Your two running landings were at about 1m/s leading to a touchdown at over 2G. As for the braking: It should be done at 6-8° of collective pitch (not 2°). Cyclic should be deflected 1/3 aft (not fully) and wheel brakes should be used. Additionally, approaches are usually planned in a very conservative manner, at shallow angles and restricted vertical speeds. Anyway - no offense - just felt like sharing.
If it works in DCS that’s all I care about. 🤷🏻♂️
@@CasmoTV Fair enough. Everyone has his own way of enjoying DCS.
Where did you source this information? If it is online can you provide a link as it might be useful for the community. @CasmoTV can I suggest maybe putting this info in the video text?
That much collective was overly excessive for an aerodynamic brake During my test. I never claimed that anything I was doing was “Hind Textbook”. Does it work in DCS? Yes. I’m happy for other people to do as they wish in their channel tho. As for me; if it works in DCS then it’s good enough.
Hey casmo, does a right to left visual sweep seem like a good idea on landing? Outside the pit sweeping from right side to left then down to rotor pitch %, to doppler shift, back to upper right and out of the pit?
YAW AP on or off?
Off
@@CasmoTV Thank you, will try as soon as possible
nice tutorial. just russians dont deal with feet and knots, but in KM and Meters :)
Old habits
all fun and game, until you tryin to terminate that forward movement to a hover …
Lucky 1000
The landing speed should be no more than 80 km/h, from the flight manual
Manuals. How quaint.
@@CasmoTV Something to do with tire wear, I believe.
I believe it.
You made that look too easy Casmo...
Petition for Casmo to do the official tutorial for the AH-64 once that comes out.
коллега вы на самом деле пилот..!!!? ...не стыдно такое выкладывать...? или расчёт на то, что никто ничего не понимает - и так сойдёт. насчитал боле 12 грубых ошибок пилотирования...
если вы на самом деле реальный лётчик....стыдно так летать