Great review. Pretty awesome seeing what a 410 will do out to some distance. Not bad at all really minus the scope issues. Appreciate the shout out and review!
Glad that you were able to finish the video. Watching it has really made me rethink owning my 410 single shot. Grew up with a Savage 24 in 410/22 and wore it out taking it places and shooting it. The 410 barrel worked for pheasants in a beet field over a dog. And the 22 LR was for an occasional varmint. But like I said, watching your research video is changing my mind about the usefulness of my H&R 410. I may sell it and/or move up to either a 20 gauge or something else. One thing that strikes me is that a 22 long rifle, with its 36 grain or 40 grain lead bullet, is actually much more effective and accurate out to the 150 yard range than the 410 slugs. They, the 22 LR, have been used for all sorts of critters for over a hundred and fifty years, even for deer. And they hold their accuracy pretty well because they are fired from a rifled barrel. So I guess that my conclusion would be that a shotgun is a dandy weapon for up to fifty or sixty yards, but beyond that you are better to use a rifled firearm. Thank you for putting in the time and effort to show this.
Oooh I've been waiting for this video! If I have good luck when I start testing with my 000 Buckshot loads, I may send some to you if I can find a place to ship them... Thanks for the shoutout by the way, it really showed me there is a lot of interest in .410 shells in general. I have gotten a lot of people checking out my reload videos.
Very interesting. As a smoothbore muzzle loading musket fan, I get similar results. Accurate at 100 yds, not much at 150 yards, but can hit a man sized target almost always. At 200 yards is hopeless. Armies for centuries used smoothbore roundball muskets. The things you read that accuracy was only good 50 or 75 yards is nonsense. 160-175 yards is the real limit if trying to shoot a human sized target. Deer hunting is good to 100 yards and still remain sporting and not likely to just wound.
Thanks for the info. What about 12ga? How far a 12ga slug can effectively hit the target? Would you choose 12ga over .410 in terms of long range accuracy?
@nomadic - Did a video on that with rifled lead slugs: czcams.com/video/wfzLCvBNuwM/video.html - Sabot slugs with a rifled barrel are suppose to be good for 200 yards, but I bet I could shoot them further.
I was thinking of trying to load a 115 grain 9mm bullet into a 410 shell with buffer like the winchester super x slugs. The diameter is similar to the 000 buck, and weight would be about a 0.26 oz slug. I wonder if they will tumble because of not having rifling... some good ideas...
You have to load them backwards or they will definately tumble. How would you sabot them? CW loads .40cal bullets (backwards) but shoots them out of a cylinder bore (with good results).
@@BuckeyeBallistics I was just going to use a standard 410 wide. If it’s the same diameter as a triple on buckshot which fits in the wad, why wouldn’t a 9 mm work? I was just planning on using buffer compound like to use for standard slugs.
@anonymous - Which ones? None of the ones I see have skirts, and air rifles have rifled barrels so they probably would not stabelize from a smoothbore. So if you know of some with hollowed bases with skirts, please do share...
@@BuckeyeBallistics By skirts I was talking about a traditional pellet profile. But Airgun depot has some in .35 caliber at 81 grains in that traditional shape. Not sure how they would perform out of a smooth bore though, but who knows. They also have other profile pellets as well, but I figured maybe a nose heavy projectile with that drag assist back part might do better. However, I am no expert when it comes to this, just curious.
I've had the same problem with my crossbow it hits so hard the base comes loose. But I've had that problem with my black powder and I got a cheap black powder scope and I haven't had any problems since, I put one on my my 7mm because it breaks scopes to
@10:15 I have had this happen a couple times. Man it is frustrating when the scope moves and you are chasing accuracy! It's worse when the rail is flopping around... @12:45 had that happen as well.. I shot one of my failed scopes to relieve stress. mine was only on a 22LR though, so I blame the $40 Chinese made scope. wow wow wow you put some serious effort in on this video dude! Would be interesting to put a chart with the weight and velocity on each slug you tested as well, not sure if you did that yet... The Brenneke and Super X did best, wonder if they have a higher velocity than the rest as well? or maybe the really crappy ones are moving too fast? the Winchester 3" point of impact at 200 was so different than the Brenneke, wow. But it looked like you were tossing the Brenneke out there- looks like it had very little velocity left. I think 100 yards is a good relative range on these, 150 is pushing it, and anything out there beyond is not good.
Winchester and Brenneke's are the highest advertised velocities (almost 1800fps). But to my knowledge, pushing higher velocities, at least in pistols and rifles, *usually* means *less* accuracy. But who knows, maybe it's different for the .410...
The only thing I had when I was young and that is all i had, I used 410 slugs on, would be target practice or a ground hogs less than 125 yards and that is a stretch. They are just too light. 22LR was better. For shotguns, those 20 guage and 12s, SSTs. Took alot of dear with Winchester 12 guage rifled slugs. I always use blue loctite on my mount screws.
Sorry for all the technical issues. Sometimes even when we do our best to prepare things, things outside the norm can spring up to ruin the day. However, in the end we now know the capabilities of these slugs at long range from this 410. It's still the most comprehensive 410 series I've seen.
I think I'll have one more video like this comming when I can get more of the Brenneke, and other .410 slug videos still planned as well for the future...
I've seen .45 Colt used "successfully," but it has to be a soft lead bullet and the choke on the .410 has to be cylinder bore because anything else is too constrictive. Even at that, the accuracy is poor because the bullet tumbles. There is a channel that put all kinds of rimmed cartridge ammo through one, but the safest option so that the gun doesn't blow up in your face is soft lead .45 Colt. That said, don't try this at home! If you really want to shoot pistol bullets out of a shotgun, there is a company or two that make inserts for single shots that allow you to safely shoot smaller caliber pistol bullets down the barrel...
I've not shot .410 yet, & since the range I go has a separate range for shotgunners, I haven't shot it yet. I'd really like to try it, but in the mean time I'm using mini-shells
Hello!!! I regret that 410 caliber cartridges from Russia are not sold in the USA (((If you shot them, you would often have accurate hits on the target!!! I recommend that you learn how to load these cartridges yourself, you will begin to shoot more accurately!!! Привет из России!!!)))
I shot some of the Barnaul steel case a year or two ago. They were good slugs indeed, though I had a hard time igniting the primer. Sometimes it took several strikes to get them to go off...
I have a few boxes of those 3" metal case shells, and on the box it says "sabot." Do yall know if rifled .410's even exist outside a Taurus Judge? Thanks!
@@scottmcley5111 In Russia, there is such a thing and it is called a "paradox".This tube is screwed onto the barrel of the Saiga 410. There is also a MOUFLON 410 bolt-on, where a paradox is installed after the chamber.
You do too much talking people really want to see you. Go ahead and shoot a different ranges so we can see what performance what they’re doing not criticizing, but really you talking too much.
Great review. Pretty awesome seeing what a 410 will do out to some distance. Not bad at all really minus the scope issues. Appreciate the shout out and review!
I’ve definitely gone thru scopes with a springer pellet gun. Thanks for the effort, cost and time putting this video together.🍻🇺🇸
Glad that you were able to finish the video. Watching it has really made me rethink owning my 410 single shot. Grew up with a Savage 24 in 410/22 and wore it out taking it places and shooting it. The 410 barrel worked for pheasants in a beet field over a dog. And the 22 LR was for an occasional varmint.
But like I said, watching your research video is changing my mind about the usefulness of my H&R 410. I may sell it and/or move up to either a 20 gauge or something else.
One thing that strikes me is that a 22 long rifle, with its 36 grain or 40 grain lead bullet, is actually much more effective and accurate out to the 150 yard range than the 410 slugs. They, the 22 LR, have been used for all sorts of critters for over a hundred and fifty years, even for deer. And they hold their accuracy pretty well because they are fired from a rifled barrel.
So I guess that my conclusion would be that a shotgun is a dandy weapon for up to fifty or sixty yards, but beyond that you are better to use a rifled firearm.
Thank you for putting in the time and effort to show this.
Oooh I've been waiting for this video! If I have good luck when I start testing with my 000 Buckshot loads, I may send some to you if I can find a place to ship them... Thanks for the shoutout by the way, it really showed me there is a lot of interest in .410 shells in general. I have gotten a lot of people checking out my reload videos.
Your .410 videos are doing well?
@@BuckeyeBallistics the 000 buckshot loading is doing pretty well
Very interesting. As a smoothbore muzzle loading musket fan, I get similar results. Accurate at 100 yds, not much at 150 yards, but can hit a man sized target almost always. At 200 yards is hopeless. Armies for centuries used smoothbore roundball muskets. The things you read that accuracy was only good 50 or 75 yards is nonsense. 160-175 yards is the real limit if trying to shoot a human sized target. Deer hunting is good to 100 yards and still remain sporting and not likely to just wound.
Thanks for the info. What about 12ga? How far a 12ga slug can effectively hit the target? Would you choose 12ga over .410 in terms of long range accuracy?
@nomadic - Did a video on that with rifled lead slugs: czcams.com/video/wfzLCvBNuwM/video.html - Sabot slugs with a rifled barrel are suppose to be good for 200 yards, but I bet I could shoot them further.
I totally agree with you !
It saves a lot of head ache to use lock tight on scope mount screws .
Indeed. I should have learned my lesson by now since this is not the first time this has happened to me lol.
I was thinking of trying to load a 115 grain 9mm bullet into a 410 shell with buffer like the winchester super x slugs. The diameter is similar to the 000 buck, and weight would be about a 0.26 oz slug. I wonder if they will tumble because of not having rifling... some good ideas...
You have to load them backwards or they will definately tumble. How would you sabot them? CW loads .40cal bullets (backwards) but shoots them out of a cylinder bore (with good results).
@@BuckeyeBallistics I was just going to use a standard 410 wide. If it’s the same diameter as a triple on buckshot which fits in the wad, why wouldn’t a 9 mm work? I was just planning on using buffer compound like to use for standard slugs.
Wonder how a big bore pellet would do. Those are weighted nose heavy with a sort of skirt in the back to stabilize things.
@anonymous - Which ones? None of the ones I see have skirts, and air rifles have rifled barrels so they probably would not stabelize from a smoothbore. So if you know of some with hollowed bases with skirts, please do share...
@@BuckeyeBallistics By skirts I was talking about a traditional pellet profile. But Airgun depot has some in .35 caliber at 81 grains in that traditional shape. Not sure how they would perform out of a smooth bore though, but who knows. They also have other profile pellets as well, but I figured maybe a nose heavy projectile with that drag assist back part might do better. However, I am no expert when it comes to this, just curious.
I've had the same problem with my crossbow it hits so hard the base comes loose. But I've had that problem with my black powder and I got a cheap black powder scope and I haven't had any problems since, I put one on my my 7mm because it breaks scopes to
Thank you
I installed a peep sight on my 20 gauge, works great!
I have the same issue on a center-fire rifle rail. I was off by over one foot at 125 yards
@10:15 I have had this happen a couple times. Man it is frustrating when the scope moves and you are chasing accuracy! It's worse when the rail is flopping around... @12:45 had that happen as well.. I shot one of my failed scopes to relieve stress. mine was only on a 22LR though, so I blame the $40 Chinese made scope. wow wow wow you put some serious effort in on this video dude! Would be interesting to put a chart with the weight and velocity on each slug you tested as well, not sure if you did that yet... The Brenneke and Super X did best, wonder if they have a higher velocity than the rest as well? or maybe the really crappy ones are moving too fast? the Winchester 3" point of impact at 200 was so different than the Brenneke, wow. But it looked like you were tossing the Brenneke out there- looks like it had very little velocity left. I think 100 yards is a good relative range on these, 150 is pushing it, and anything out there beyond is not good.
Winchester and Brenneke's are the highest advertised velocities (almost 1800fps). But to my knowledge, pushing higher velocities, at least in pistols and rifles, *usually* means *less* accuracy. But who knows, maybe it's different for the .410...
The only thing I had when I was young and that is all i had, I used 410 slugs on, would be target practice or a ground hogs less than 125 yards and that is a stretch. They are just too light. 22LR was better.
For shotguns, those 20 guage and 12s, SSTs. Took alot of dear with Winchester 12 guage rifled slugs.
I always use blue loctite on my mount screws.
More awesome stuff man!!
I'd say OMGOSH! But shit happens brother! 😂
Does anyone make a rifled barrel or insert for the .410?
What choke would I need to fire slugs?
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Briar Rabbit? Our asses have shared the toilet seat then, what an honor bro
Nah, I don't shit in public places 😅
Great video dud! God save USA
Sorry for all the technical issues. Sometimes even when we do our best to prepare things, things outside the norm can spring up to ruin the day. However, in the end we now know the capabilities of these slugs at long range from this 410. It's still the most comprehensive 410 series I've seen.
I think I'll have one more video like this comming when I can get more of the Brenneke, and other .410 slug videos still planned as well for the future...
Smooth bore
Where do i get that big box of 410
Curious if survival issues come can pistol bullets work as well examples 40 cal 41 cal
I've seen .45 Colt used "successfully," but it has to be a soft lead bullet and the choke on the .410 has to be cylinder bore because anything else is too constrictive. Even at that, the accuracy is poor because the bullet tumbles. There is a channel that put all kinds of rimmed cartridge ammo through one, but the safest option so that the gun doesn't blow up in your face is soft lead .45 Colt. That said, don't try this at home! If you really want to shoot pistol bullets out of a shotgun, there is a company or two that make inserts for single shots that allow you to safely shoot smaller caliber pistol bullets down the barrel...
I've not shot .410 yet, & since the range I go has a separate range for shotgunners, I haven't shot it yet. I'd really like to try it, but in the mean time I'm using mini-shells
Perhaps they allow slugs on the rifle range?
I don’t know if you said but what choke did you use
I did- I.C. if I recall correctly. If not I.C. it was skeet, but I definately did state and show it in the video if you want to be 100% sure...
SEND EM!
I tried 😅
@@BuckeyeBallistics you've got a better chance than most and as good a chance as anyone
I going to get some more Brenneke and do a final video hitting smallish targets with them...
What is the effect range,is it smooth bore or rifled
Smooth bore, and depends on what you mean by "effective" and what you are shooting at...
Hello!!! I regret that 410 caliber cartridges from Russia are not sold in the USA (((If you shot them, you would often have accurate hits on the target!!! I recommend that you learn how to load these cartridges yourself, you will begin to shoot more accurately!!!
Привет из России!!!)))
I shot some of the Barnaul steel case a year or two ago. They were good slugs indeed, though I had a hard time igniting the primer. Sometimes it took several strikes to get them to go off...
I have a few boxes of those 3" metal case shells, and on the box it says "sabot." Do yall know if rifled .410's even exist outside a Taurus Judge? Thanks!
@@scottmcley5111 In Russia, there is such a thing and it is called a "paradox".This tube is screwed onto the barrel of the Saiga 410. There is also a MOUFLON 410 bolt-on, where a paradox is installed after the chamber.
What kind of .410 is that ?
Savage 301 Turkey
44,40 .if 45 colt, and others threw full choke modified choke improved choke ?result?
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I’ve been waiting my friend
Totally skipped ahead
Congratulations
You do too much talking people really want to see you. Go ahead and shoot a different ranges so we can see what performance what they’re doing not criticizing, but really you talking too much.