Shotgun Slugs vs Concrete Blocks .410 20ga 12ga
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Thanks to @boomstickrevenge for the range time
Super nice of those guys! I've followed their channel for a long time too...
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Hickok45 has a video dealing with safety when shooting metal targets.
Thank you for the video. Ricochet is no laughing matter. I was shooting at steel metal target at a gun range with my 45 Gold Cup and I had one round ricochet back to me and it hit my right leg just below the groin are and tore through my jeans and caused my leg to bleed. This is a testimony to definitely keep wearing safety eye wear.
It's funny how people dislike the 20 gauge for home defense saying it's weak and prefer the smaller cousin 410😂
The 20 gauge is not to be played with.It is a very serious rifle.😊
Think I'll use 12 gauge when I go hunting for cement blocks, assuming it's legal in PA,
Thanks, I enjoyed the video.
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i saw a nice one the other day it was a 11pt concrete block
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All righty! Lol
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Thank you for the video. Excellent comparison of the three common shot shells.. Was mostly interest in how the .410 performed.
Absolutely no denying the devastating hitting energy of the 12 gauge slug!!! I could only imagine what a rifled copper sabot slug would do?? Great video!! Subscribed!!!!👍👍
You should see what it did to a raw chicken in my chicken video 😁
@@BuckeyeBallistics oh wow!! I will definitely check the video out!!!! 👍👍
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Another fun test. As expected the 12 ga rules. Thank you for your content.
Congratulations on the video! The 12 gauge has there was a lot of difference with the 20 caliber. But the .410 caliber didn't do badly in the test.
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I have all the above shotgun sizes tested in video so it’s good to know their power, good video thanks!
Very good demonstration and display of difference in power. Great job. Thank you. Look forward to future vids.
Glad you liked this one since I usually only see you on the gel tests...
@@BuckeyeBallistics I enjoy shooting stuff. Thank you.
Fun video. Don't listen to people, saftey first. Always!
Great video! Yes, those very soft Foster type slugs just transfer energy and come apart without a lot of pentration. When you shoot some Brenneke slugs at the blocks we'll see a pretty big difference in penetration.
Indeed
Wow! The 20 hits pretty hard but the 12 gauge is an absolute brut!
Good call going through safety protocol on the pistols vs cinder blocks video. I took a .380 round to the throat doing the same thing at close range. Luckily I was unharmed but nonetheless, cinder blocks are in fact dangerous to shoot
I got hit with some chunks of bowling ball in the next video 😉
@@BuckeyeBallistics aw man I gotta see that one! Just barely found your channel. I absolutely love your content man!
I got the same 20 gauge I see some people make them shoot accurate slugs always wanted to make it into one
Now I want to try this too! Kind Thanks! A good comparison with three great gauges! Many Blessings and Good Shootin! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Should also include 000 buckshot pellet shot tests for all three gauges.
Thing is, all 3 cartridges will shoot the pellets at the exact same velocity (1100-1200fps on average). Therefore, a 000 pellet from a 12 gauge isn't anymore powerful than one from a .410. The only difference as I'm sure you're aware, is the number of pellets. At close range you would probably see a difference, but with each pellet only weighing about 70 grains and going much slower than a slug, they wouldn't do much at all on an individual basis. I had trouble breaking through with the 90gr copper plated .380, so a lighter softer pellet not going much faster will just splat against the block. In unisom however... I will consider making the video once I can attain 000 buck for all 3.
@@BuckeyeBallistics I'm reloading three of 000 in 410, getting about 1700 feet per second. Loaded them for my wife for home defense in an 18" barrel.
It has the muzzle energy of almost 4 rounds of 9mm per shot.
@phild - How much does each pellet weigh and isn't that over the limits? You're shooting 50% more or higher payload at the same velocity as a slug...
@@BuckeyeBallistics 65 grains per pellet, load data provided by Ballistic Products Small Bore Reloading Manual. Best 16 bucks I ever spent.
1/4 oz .410 slug is about 110 gr.
...just proves, don't mess with a shotgun. Thanks.
Not gonna lie, that little .410 was pretty loud. Wasn't expecting that at all. 👍
Is that what you have a 410😂
That is a beautiful 12 gauge man.
Overall it is a very lethal and useful gun all around
I don't think you can be confident in "block to block" density in this test
Facts older blocks were made with more cement.
Slugfest 2024. Awsome!
Never under any circumstance ever shoot steel that close with a divot of any kind in your steel !!! That lead can hit that divot and throw chunks of lead right back at you!!! I been shootin steel for over 20 yrs now and believe me it can happen. As long as it’s flat with no edge you’re fine….
CMU's are malde with low strength 1800 PSI concrete mix. Fill the cavities with sand or 4000 PSI concrete and you'll have a barrier good up to 50 BMG.
Cool vid for sure .
All three have their respective place. I prefer the 12ga as it's so versatile. Different shells plus the inserts you can use.
I was impressed with the power of a target load fired against dry wall. Please do a video about target loads.
I've never done it myself, but my Grandfather used to take Deer 🦌 on occasion with the 20 gages shotgun.
He said, "if you hit 'em right, they drop in their tracks!"
But most still use the 12 gauge for anything bigger then a rabbit!!!
One of my former coworkers uses nothing but 20 gauge slugs for deer. Has a tree stand on his property 50 yards or so from the state park. Gets 3-4 each year. One for Hunters for the Homeless and the others are his.
I think it would be interesting to do a video on just 12ga variants. Mini shell, 2 3/4, 3" 3.5" buck, slugs # 7 etc
For such a long intro, you didn't say how far you were shooting. I'm guessing the blocks were 685.7 yards away, uphill with a steady 55 MPH wind from the left, gusts to 103 MPH. With muzzle velocities of 1600 FPS (almost 25,000 metric inches) I calculate the projectile flight time of approxomately 6 minutes and 48 seconds, give or take. Good shooting.
Thanks for the video. If I had the money, I would send you Brenekke slugs for all three to test. They are much better at penetration than foster slugs, which usually just break up on impact. But alas, I do not have the cash.
I'm trying to figure out what my options are for 12 guage, rifled slugs for bear defense. The soft, hollow point slugs are not the answer. Brenneke slugs seem expensive which is fine if you dont want to practice with them but not so much if you'd like to poke some holes in paper from time to time.
Perhaps 000 buck then
Did everyone just forget there is a shotgun round between 410 and 20. 28 gauge
16ga 😉👍
Superbly done great test, so much fun to watch
Thanks!
Thanks for your video and test results. I'd be interested to see different 12 gauge slugs in the same test (different weights, different speeds). I'd be interested in specifically the Federal Truball (1600fps) vs Federal Truball Deep Penetrator (1350fps but also copper plated) as well as slugs from minishells. And if you have the means, perhaps some wax shells made from birdshot shells. Thanks again!
Good ideas
You are not the only one that shoots targets and does not give the range.
I did notice when you shot the steel targets you gave the range.
My thought is those slugs are going to have a different impact on the cement blocks at close range vs at a longer distance.
My comment was not meant to upset you. I was just curious, as I just bought a 12 ga slug gun and have not been able to get out and put rounds down range yet.
Hard to tell. Because at longer ranges while they will be moving considerably slower and thus have less energy, at the same time the lead slug will hold together better which would aid in penetration. So, I'd say out to a certain point, the slug staying together better would make up for the lower velocity some and thus potentially give similar results at those further ranges. This is all speculation of course, only one way to find out.
I don't bother ranging close shots like this, but it was probably right at about 10 yards. I stated the distance of the steel target because I actually knew the distance of that one...
@@BuckeyeBallistics…. I gotta agree with mrkevin02flip, people neglect to mention the distance.
The camera used makes it look farther away than you said it is here.
The 410 surprised me cool video
Awesome. Great video.
Good aim aim with all 3 shotguns
The 3 inch possibly isn't any more powerful the 2-3/4🤷🏻♂️ the debate has been on going
On your video where you were wearing the helmet I saw a piece of Cinder block the size of your thumb fly just to the right of your face.
On another note, 410 punched a hole through one round, whereas a 9mm took two rounds, so anyone who says a 410 is equal to a 9mm does not know what they are talking about. Also, Remington and Winchester 410 slugs only penetrate about 5 inches to 8 inches in ballistic gel, whereas a Brinikee 410 slug penetrates about 15 or more inches. The 410 is the only slug the brand makes a difference, because 20 and 12 are just so big they plow through anything .
Yup. I tell people all the time that .410 is nearly as powerful (on paper/mathematically) as some standard 44mag loads are from a pistol- easily surpasing a .357mag pistol for sure. And yes, I recently gel tested some standard .410 slugs and they only went a few inches- Brenneke are next, and I was already aware they penetrate like crazy compared to the others. I have some long range videos with those...
Thanks
Hope boomstick had a helmet on😀😀👍 good test
I'd pay money to see that 😅
BB. Good and interesting video. Thanks for sharing and take care.
Great video. I wonder how the 16 Gauge would match up. Closer to the 12 or close results to the 12..
Thanks. 16ga is closer to 12ga in performance...
Great vid! Thanks
Another Great One '' Thanks for Sharing 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Great good job for making this video .. thank you .
Awesome video, thanks
Great test!!! Thx
Sabot round is pronounced “sabo”! Just saying! lol
Depends on who you ask, just like the whole "carbine" vs "carbean" debate. You should see how many different ways people say Aguila lol.
@@BuckeyeBallistics in the military we called it sabo ask any 19k tanker…..I’m pretty sure that’s correct but nonetheless I hear you!!
Great video, thanks for doing it. Green with envy...I live in eastern Ontario Canada, just across the river from Massena NY, and I'd love to get some of that slug for my gun, but I haven't been able to find ANY 3" .410 ammunition, anywhere, for over a year now. Frustrated. One shop in Atlantic Canada told me old people are hoarding .410 ammo. Whereabouts are you located?
Ohio
The destructive power between the 12g and the 20g is significant ALL THE TIME
I agree. And 20g is very close to the destructive force of the 12g without the recoil. Furthermore the 20g slug is more accurate. Something to think about when choosing between the two.
Thank you
Nice
Anything hitting a hard cinderblock is gone dump all its energy on the front.
Ive done same damage to those blocks with half pound hammer travelling at one foot per second.
Listen to your videos
Great video!
Try some of the Hornady Black 00 buck at 1600 FPS compared to a regular BS load
Somebody else mentioned buckshot- if I end up doing it I'll try those.
Would you trust the 12 gauge slug against a Elk/Moose,,, if it was really close range? 50 yards or in
Based on what I have seen in gel tests, I would say not ideal because the slug breaks up and doesn't penetrate very far most times. Even at further ranges like say 50 yards where the slug is only going about 1100fps and may not break up, if you hit one of those large bones, it would probably still break up being soft lead. I'd say if you get a good broadside shot that is at least 25 yards out (hoping that the slug stays together with the reduced velocity of the further distance), that it would probably do the job. But overall I would just use the Brenneke slug which would offer plenty of penetration under any circumstance...
The side of a concrete block is not its strength.but still fun targets 😮
Big difference :) nice video
That thing went in that block went around back at you.😢
Do the same test using gel block. 😊
That's a lot of gel- I just did .410 a few weeks ago and that's about all my block could handle. I am making bigger blocks and doing 20ga & 12ga, but they will be individual videos. Doing all 3 at once requires more room than I have in my refridgerator for all the big blocks I would need lol.
Great vid
410 and 45 in judge test
The pistol test I mentioned and linked in the description will give you a good idea of what .45 colt would do (compareable to .45acp)
Not to infringe I thot as your intro showed the block laid flat and looking strait on you'd shoot at it to see how many of the 3 "ribs" each slug would break...?
Figured
.410 one rib ~ 1/4oz
20gauge 2ribs ~3/4oz
12gauge all 3 ~ 1 oz
I have to do what I can to get the picture to look right. And the way I look at it, I'm shooting the side that you would actually be shooting if you were trying to shoot your way through a block wall...
I wouldn't want to be shot with any of them.
To be accurate you need steam rods and grout in the holes
Is that H&R cylinder bore or does it have a built-in choke?
Built in choke
The 20 gauge H&R trapper I owned kicked like a mule
Love it 😀
What? No copper/non-lead? Of course, its rare for a whitetail to duck behind a concrete wall......
Thanks for a future video idea 😅
@@BuckeyeBallistics Sorry if I "jumped the gun".......
Try solid blocks
With soft lead? 😅
I wish when you are doing videos like this you would give the distance to target.
Why? What's the difference between 10 yards and 20 yards? Close range is close range. You can tell just by the camera angle it's at least 10 yards aways but no more than 20- you can even count my steps in the video. I'm just trying to understand why you think a few yards one way or the other would make a difference...
What about grandpa’s 16 g
Cool video I like what I’m seeing
You should try 16 ga rifle slugs for smooth bore
Naming guns that he don't have buy him one
@Ksmokin - 🫡😅
I think if there was a third block, the second would also have been destroyed.
i had always believe that lose bricks asorbs more energy than a real wall
If you can get equal performance from the 20 with common ammo - don't you think people deserve to know that? why perpetuate the myth that 20 isn't capable?
Never understimate a 20 rifled 24" barrel with hot 3/4oz sabot copper solids it likely can take anything on Earth and at a fair range...!
Try truball slugs
At. What distance
Aren't 410 shells classed as rifle ammo?
No?
12 ga seams to be overkill for everything..
Close range yes, but that slug loses velocity and power very quickly. At 50 yards it is already less powerful than a 20ga at muzzle...
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10 gauge
I was waiting for this comment...
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I had a ricochet off a freaking ballistic dummy head, and it flew back lodged in my cheek nearly penetrating through to my teeth. I physically pulled it out and butterfly band aid. Now i have a scar on my cheek.
Thats gangster do you eat spaghettios
I saw a man jump in the woods behind the target.
I hope you're kidding. If not, please let me know at what point in the video. And they're trespassing if so...
You forgot the 16 gauge😢
You forgot the 28 gauge & 10 gauge
@@BuckeyeBallistics no I didn't
Way to handicap the 20 gauge.
How many yards??
About 10
A reelect Biden commercial on your gun video? Was that a joke?
Marty! Never thought I'd see you on here again. Joke's on them because they waisted their money advertising on this video lol. Believe it or not I've actually seen their ads on multiple pew pew videos I've watched...
what about 16 and 10 gauge?
16 ga work real good also. Ever what you're used to. Pump or double 16's are nice to me.
What about 28 gauge
I don't know about them, as far as hunting deer size game I'd stick with 20ga and up.. Deer are pretty tough, I once shot a large buck in the shoulder quartering toward me with a 3" sabot slug at 17 steps. Didn't even drop him. He ran about 175 yards in woods.
That was with a 12 ga sabat slug.
E=mc2
Not speed of light.
Where is the 16ga?
What about 28ga and 10ga?
@BuckeyeBallistics LMAO 🤣 Good come back. I love it.
Just more guns I gotta buy now 🙄 You guys bankrupt me... 😅
@BuckeyeBallistics During the great ammo shortage. Walmart was empty except for two boxes of 28ga shells. First time I had seen them.
It's still very hard to find .410 slugs
20 ga magnum super no 410 no 28 no 16 no 12 kalibre 20 super magnum okey
Should have done 10 guage
Don't own one...