I wish every member of the church was taught this because as you say it is eating our church alive and it needs to be weeded out!! Thank you so much for having James on! Hope it’s the first of many!!
Exposing these false political ideas through truth won’t happen at church in our current environment. Because political truth is avoided at all cost. For example any recent talks on Gadianton Robbers in the BOM or today? But I do believe political boldness will once again spoken from the pulpit in the future.
I am sad and ashamed to say that I only realized the terrible situation in which we find ourselves in, was after the Oct 7th attacks. I am Romanian, but living in Italy. I was 5 at the revolution, so even though I didn’t experience the communist regime the same way my parents did, I still have memories of it and all the lacks and the fear is still running through my dna. Most likely passed from my parents. There was always so much fear of the neighbors, of the police, of the state , even of family members. Fear they could turn you in if they caught you watching western movies. Or listening to the radio. Watching the western world being captured by the hideous socialist/communist ideology feels surreal. This is a nightmare. See I don’t think they realize what they have unleashed and I pray to God they will never get to see the results of their doing. Because it would mean we failed in stopping them. I also noticed how being around these people or rules by them is exactly like when you’re in a toxic relationship with an abuser , narcissistic personality disorder or some sort of psychopathy. The way they shift blame, gaslight , abuse , scream and shout, the superiority complex, the idea that they can take advantage of our kindness and compassion. The idea that they don’t have to work , but we do . And they get to reap the benefits of our hard work. All of it makes so much sense to me when I look at this through the lens of abusive relationships. I myself am the survivor of such relationships. And they use the exact same tactics and manipulations. The entire western world is in a toxic relationship with a bunch of psychopaths.
I love your comment. Having studied Mousalini and his reign. I find the similarities of today, absolutely scary. But it can still be turned around if we can just get the word out. I pray every day.
I've been watching James Lindsay since before his Cynical Theories book came out. It all started with me listening to Jordan Peterson and hearing him talk about Post-Modernists and wondering what the heck he was talking about. Then I discovered a documentary by Mike Nayna about the grievance studies affair which introduced me to James Lindsay. His first podcast on Hegel was absolutely revelatory to me as well as the Cynical Theories book. Thanks for hosting James Lindsay, I really enjoyed the discussion
My brother stated to me he was a staunch communist during a conversation in 2020. The thing that allowed him to open his eyes was my continuous drilling and explanation of gold as money & Marx's 5th Plank of The Communist Manifesto. That sparked the initial flame & now he can't get enough of monetary history & has turned the ship.
I may have known at one point, but I had forgotten that Marx was raised Lutheran before turning atheist. Always good to understand where people are coming from.
It's a principle of Luciferianism that one must announce their intentions, in order that people will willingly enslave themselves. So you see the conscious projection unto their "enemy" of the precise thing that they themselves do. It's a "telling" by sheer negation. Falsity is a power deep as the power to discern truth from illusion. Watch your step. Take the recent Davos conference; they _allowed_ opposition by letting others not in sync with them to speak. Free Will is the Golden Rule. The Law is One.
Man, that never occurred to me, but I totally see the similarities too. As well as Sherem and modern-day Christian nationalism - they say they believe the words of the scriptures, but must not read them very often or make any effort to understand them. All they need is the "framework" of Christianity and the receptor sites of feel-good kindness and love in order to replicate. Good thing Jacob was there to disassemble Sherem's lies; we likewise need to identify these things happening in our communities and let truth burn away falsehood.
This is awesome! I have been following James Lindsay for years, since his work with Peter Boghossian and Helen Pluckrose. His ability and drive to unmask the language and ideas of this dark agenda is impressive. Love him! And I love your podcast Greg. The two of you together….brilliant!
@CwicShow Both you and he are good at making difficult philosophies more understandable and helping people to see what they mean and how they play out. The abstract stuff is difficult to understand.
Copious thanks for having James Lindsay on your show. He is praiseworthy and of good report. The Church desperately needs to learn about this and fight against it with the greatest zeal.
@@CwicShow How can the Church tolerate another religion growing within it - particularly one that teaches the satanic doctrine that God is the devil and the devil is god? Where is the leadership? Where is the Spirit?? Shocking beyond words.
BYU needs to be having regular speakers like James Lindsay to offset the mandatory brainwashing of the Academy. Accreditation is the bane of the university system. It forces any university that receives federal funding (including BYU, sadly) to adhere to junk science and Marxist updates of teaching curriculums and standards.
Thanks so much for having James Lindsay on your show. Have followed him for a long time on twitter and really admire his work. Always nice to hear sanity in this insane world.
This was worth the wait. I also have to add that while I had hoped when this video came, that it would have had some time where James speaks specifically to issues he's mentioned with Utah (fake red state) or The Church. But after watching it I appreciate that you kept it on the topics you covered AND in particular I happen to think the way you added your insights and questions was very clever in that you alluded to topics that your audience would pick up on, without beating James over the head with it and specifically trying to draw out an answer by leading the witness. There were a number of times that you said "key phrases" that you often discuss on your videos and he ran with it, and we got the answer we were interested in hearing, yet it was somewhat "for those that have ears to hear" if you will. Great interview. One of my favorites. It also answered a few questions I still had that were fuzzy for me. It seems like over the past year James has been working to refine his ideas and each interview it seems like he's sharper and more refined in how he lays it all out.
Good point. Over the years I've been following James, I've become increasingly impressed with his ever-improving ability to discern and describe the morass of Wokeism. He's making it easier for me to explain to people who don't yet understand how insidious and dangerous it is.
1:02:03 One of the best guests and discussions you've ever had, Greg! When I heard James talk about the attitudes, that have been taking over in the churches, of "being nice", "gentle as doves", etc. - at the expense of being "wise as serpents", I immediately thought of what has been happening over the past several years within our own church. I see the increasing push for "unity", and the appeasing and embracing of the perceived "oppressed" (while at the same time lecturing the congregations, or the perceived "oppressors"), as buying into the exact Marxist philosophies described here in this discussion. Painting the allowance for self-destruction (by way of embracing open borders - and all who come through them, LGBT acceptance, and giving credence to the ideologies of BLM/'White Guilt', etc.) with the sweeping brush of "Love Thy Neighbor" - and if you don't go along, you are "un-Christlike" - frankly, seems to align more with 'Social Justice' ideals than Gospel Principles and the Doctrine of Christ - especially since the emphasis by our leaders coincides chronoligically with these very same issues our society has been dealing with. Instead of being a "peculiar people", it seems we are becoming a "woke" people.
Woe the day you think you know more then our leaders ! ?? You do not. Meaning our prophet and apostles ? They do exactly as directed . They know the future . You do not .
How do you reconcile the leaders of the church going along with a lot of these false/wicked ideologies with your faith? (Assuming you are an active LDS member) i’m working through this myself.
@@lindamartinez7006 I’ve had a bishop tell me things that completely contradict the prophets and apostles. People are fallible even if they are your leaders. I don’t sustain a bishop that goes along with the doctrines of lgbtqia ideology. Doubt your doubts first for sure but blind faith isn’t the answer.
@lindamartinez7006 Where did I say, or even indicate that I know more than our leaders? My concern that certain ideologies and even agendas regarding the Social issues of our day seem to increasingly have a presence, or that they may be influencing the attitudes of our leaders (especially local leaders) in no way indicates that I see myself as above them, or that I believe I know better than they, or can see the future. My comments were merely an observation based on personal experience, as well as public decisions and actions by our leaders. I happen to sustain our 15 General Authorities as prophets, seers, and revelators as they speak for the Lord, and direct His church, with our prophet holding all the keys to administer the Lord's kingdom on Earth. Even so, they are not perfect. They can and do make mistakes. As Elder Holland says, "Imperfect people are all God has ever had to work with. That must be terribly frustrating to Him, but He deals with it. So should we." I also have a personally revealed testimony of the Restored Gospel and the divine mission of our Savior, and acknowledge the necessity for having a church/organization as a vehicle for administering the ordinances and teaching the principles that allow us to attain the highest degree of glory in our Father's kingdom. This testimony is my most valuable possession and constitutes the foundation of belief in my life. In fact, now, more than ever, I depend on that testimony to anchor me to the Covenant Path as the influences and attitudes I mentioned attempt to creep in. As we know, truth is truth. It has no qualifier. Even when other voices would attempt to distract or disuade, or even infiltrate, abandoning truth is not an option that I choose, for I know in whom I have placed my trust. Perhaps before sitting in judgement and pronouncing woes upon a complete stranger, you might instead ask for clarification from the person whose comment you may not completely understand because you have jumped to conclusions.
@@capybara39419 thanks for your testimony, i’m striving to gain one of our leaders in the church, especially the 15. Hopefully I can get to where you’re at with that someday.
I’m not going to pretend to understand everything that was spoken here but what I will say, for what it’s worth, the spirit seem to confirm to me repeatedly throughout is how this is a genuine discussion, free of agendas, and most importantly, motivated by real truth seeking. I applaud both brothers here. Thank you both striving to understand and live truth.
This discussion was profound. My experience teaches me that the quality of my analysis is commensurate to my willingness to consider, that at any point along the way I might be wrong, or, that I may not have enough information. This, perhaps counterintuitively, has increased my confidence in analysis.
The clarity of James’ description of Marxist ideology is mind blowing. All you need to know about Marxism in one hour! I took notes furiously. Thank you both.
41:50 - as a recovering theatre kid I found this hilarious. I was always told if acting didn’t work out to go be a lawyer or a politician because that’s all it is anyway. I’m a bit miffed the younger me didn’t think a bit more about what that really meant.
Lehi called it "an exceedingly great mist of darkness." James Lindsay traced the evolution of this darkness by citing many of its proponents, noting "your average functionary in this world view believes everything is pretend." The father of all this darkness, all this pretend, all this delusion, was not cited in this discussion. I think of this often when I am in the temple and I hear "Who are you?" And the answer is "I am the god of this world." That is pretend. That is delusion. Satan is the very father of delusion, of pretend, of darkness. What these two men are talking about is literally the doctrine of devils.
And it's actively and openly promoted at BYU. Look at the twisted sociology department, for example. Pres. Benson would close that place down in a heartbeat before allowing this satanic doctrine be taught at a Church institution.
We are told to Cleave unto Charity ... Cleaving defines into two sides ... Embracing and Cutting. Charity is Stewardship, Sorting between Reasonable and Unreasonable with a Virtuous Mind. The feminine side is to embrace and the masculine is to cut ... there is purpose in male and female, especially in marriage. You are right, we have been led to embrace continually without the cutting, once again the feminine nurturer so they. can push the overload of chaotic care in the name of unrighteous dominion. We are definitely in a Culture of Narcissism, infant, behavior. We as a Christian Society have been taught to turn our cheek, but not repeatedly like so many have interpreted .... we first turn our cheek, and then we wait for the next move ... if they strike again, they are an enemy, if they ask forgiveness we know them to be repentant ... we were never invited to rollover forever. Remember, Charity never faileth💝
40:53 - "none of us even bothered to look under the hood to see what's going on there. We just assumed everybody there was doing what they were supposed to. They weren't." Guilty as charged. I used to fight against concepts like the deep state, wokeism in our universities or Church, not believing that others would actually stoop to the levels they are. How naive I was! The last few years have been really eye opening, as well as a huge gut punch for me, finally understanding how far society has actually devolved.
I agree. I saved the video again, as I know I will need to watch it at least 2 more times (severe dyslexia is an itch-bay!). This was a great convo, and I love Dr. James Lindsay so much for his wisdom and knowledge. I would love to get him to talk some sense into my Sweetheart, who is "very liberal," I'm afraid. I would hope he would see JL's doctorate, and listen, but learn.
Praxis! This explains why all of my woke managers were giggle-chanting the mantra "Fake it til you make it" to each other while effing up projects left and right. Working at an aerospace design firm, I found it severely out of place that a bunch of humanities degree 30 something girl bosses would act so audaciously in the midst of accomplished designers. NOW I get it.
I hate that mantra - worked in universities for years and it was filled with girl bosses who said that at nauseam. They were wrong 90% of the time and so Blaise about it. ‘Oh well, we will know for next time’ even though people told them explicitly what was going to happen beforehand. They just shrug it off and they only cared about what everyone was wearing. There was a project on staff outfits and they paid $200k for a daft woman to hold committees about it and it took them months and months and they couldn’t agree and nothing happened. Iceland held a woman’s strike for a day and the only thing that happened was that there wasn’t any hr complaints. The men were like finally can get some work done. The output improved and there was zero downsides. Sounds like a dream
I just heard a woman say opinions are always right and facts are often wrong. It’s so wrong and there was no humility when she was corrected. ‘I still stand by what I said’
And now you know why early Soviet watches couldn't keep time. Instead of a contrived quota system to cram under qualified people into STEM, the Soviet government literally forced watchmakers to be farmers and allowed the "oppressed" farmers to be watchmakers (or other technical jobs for which they had no skills for). The inversion of praxis was taken literally and millions died as a result.
Yes. Patriarchy feminism led to Women's Studies and intersectional feminism. Intersectional feminism became just intersectionality and led to the rest of the grievance studies and the eventual corruption of the STEM departments.
Seriously, THIS is the best explanation of the WOKE ideology/Cult/religion... TRULY, a sad state of affairs the world is in.😢 Thank you, Greg, for having these difficult casts! Keep it coming!
It makes sense why this has invaded our church, because we are naturally good loving people! We had the receptors a plenty! I believe it will eventually be rejected! I was not so hopeful a few months back but as I've gathered with like minded saints I see where our real loyalties lie, with the Savior.
I'm LDS, spent the last decade in higher ed, and a 4th year PhD student but may leaveit and education altogether. Glad you had Lindsay on so our LDS community can perceive its worst kind of gaslighting. My 3 grad degrees (2012 to present) are permeated by performativity, demanding I falsely play the scripted, essentialized white male villain role in class every day. I fought it, understood it, and self-censored A LOT between '18 and '24. I've lived that performativity, and this social justice paradigm virus infected my English discipline and deteriorated its ability to conduct honest and replicable research.
I'm so sorry you have been going through this. Academia today is so sad. That's why I've told my kids a college degree is not essential to a great job (Because honestly I don't want them to go. I'd rather have them sane, whole, loved, feel appreciated, etc. Although, that was my expectation for them starting out as a mom in 1998.) I'm glad you have fought it. Your kids will be so much better off that you have the great understanding of what has been happening. We've talked about Marxism as "the Mark" for years.
I appreciate your thoughts. I agree that having James Lindsay on was very instructive. Can you expand a bit on the "worst kind of gaslighting" you referred to? I can guess what you mean, but I'd like to better understand. Thanks.
@MommaCrissa you and Mike Rowe sound alike! Great advice. Your sanity gives me hope. I hope your kids avoided the 'virus' or engaged with it well. I will say, not all degrees are created equal. Evidence-based degrees in STEM can withstand the ideological onslaught in ways my theory-based humanities degrees can not, though not fully immune I admit. I have documented my identity-based ostracization and try to share my understanding via my Project Luminas substack and theskykingblog. Share if anyone you know is experiencing the isolation and racial/gender essentialism that drains the will to research and work.
Oh my goodness, I am sure you will find people who are in your exact shoes. That's great you've been documenting! I follow a few on substack. I'll take a look at yours tomorrow when I'm at my computer. I believe (as James alludes to near the end) that our whole education system will be taken down, but the ones who bring a Zion approach to education will be a whole other class. Just know you have something to look forward to. Be the one who stands out firm. Be wise and kind. Personally, I love Robin Williams in the Dead Poets Society who engages and helps students think for themselves. Keep God at the forefront and a sly smile of knowing what the future holds once we get past the degradation of elites masking truth.
I discovered similar when I left the Wasatch Front for Utah’s hinterlands. It turns out the ideal town size to get away from any level of wokeness is about 3,000 or less and too busy farming.
Yes! I think it's because in farming, reality can't be denied or ignored or twisted. The natural world IS reality, we have to learn to work with it to be successful. So when Lysenko tried to use a socialist method of growing crops, millions of people starved to death. I've lived in cities where people have absolutely no clue how the food they buy gets from seed to plant to harvest to their grocery store. I'm glad I moved!
@@matthewatwood8641 Good for you. I live in Iowa but in one of the big university towns. There are lots of men who will at least pretend to be woke. I knew men, heterosexual men, who wore skirts and participated in a gay kissing day on campus thirty years ago.
This is a fantastic discussion. I’ve watched many of James Lindsey‘s things the accuracy this man has come a crossed is mine blowing. And 100% true you can’t turn anything on to watch and not have this evil garbage shoved in your face.
James is such a high level, analytical thinker. I love it. In Jungian terms, this woke/marxist/communist ideology/religion is the shadow of the restored gospel. The members who’ve bought into this ideology are pushing for its “integration” (as Jung believed we must integrate our shadow to become truly whole/one). The issue for these members is; they want it all integrated, but the Doctrine makes it clear what can and cannot be integrated.. So much more could be said. Fascinating times we’ve found ourselves in.
So much good stuff. Thanks, Greg and James. James is exactly right in explaining that this new form of Marxism (wokeness) is based in completely warped versions of Christ-like attributes and principles. If we aren't paying attention to the bad fruits of this "religion" and if we aren't constantly inviting the spirit into our lives, we won't be able to discern truth from error and we will be deceived. Until one day, having lost everything important to us, we'll wake up and wonder how we ended up where we did. The father of lies is hard at work. Thanks, Greg, for working hard on the counterstrike.
Greg, James, this was one of the best shows yet. It always makes me so sad and frustrated when I see people recognize their creative and powerful natures and then take a wrong turn and use this knowledge to try to control others instead of educating others to these truths and inviting them to exercise their true nature to fulfill their personal potential. This is just a heightened continuation of the war in heaven.
Thank you both for being on the wrong side of history!! 😅 Excellent conversation! Although I’ve found myself feeling somewhat pessimistic like Greg mentioned, by the end I feel more optimistic like James. Appreciate you Greg for getting this to the LDS crowd.
I didn't know who he was, but have followed the agenda of what has been happening on society. My husband and I talk about Marxism and what's going on with people for years. Maybe we haven't found we needed someone to explain it to us, not sure.
James has been talking a lot recently about the wokification of churches, and Christianity’s particular vulnerability to being co-opted. Obviously all very relevant for us LDS. It was touched on but I would have appreciated deeper and more precise exploration there, including LDS culture vulnerabilities (to share with our community and help them wake up). He has, not without justification, been recently calling out Utah. Maybe next time! As an aside, would love to see you also interview Metaxas!
42:38 Is an amazing point. They are actors. AOC's performance crying at the border "cages" was all an act. I actually love the analysis the Jordan Peterson does on the movie Pinochio. The bad guys want to make him an actor, while his creator wants him to become a real boy. In the end, the actors all start tearing things down and living hedonistically until they are basically braying donkeys captive to a different master.
This is also why we should be against sayings like, "it takes a village" to raise a child. NO IT DOESN'T! It takes good parents and not the neighbors or the childs classes parents. This is an example to really start thinking about. If you compare this to Zion, Zion is not group -think, its Jesus think. We always look to God not a group.
My favorite so far. I have of gratitude for Mr. Lindsay who has clearly dedicateduch of his tome and talents to understanding the macro picture of what is going on globaly. This has been a huge eye opener and builder of my dependency on God. Understanding this just a little better takes so much shame out of defending Christ while still loving your neighbor.
So delighted to see this -- James Lindsay has done more to inform and awaken me (and many others) to what we truly face than anyone else. Now, how do we get him a meeting with the brethren :)
This was such a great episode. So much to unpack and to understand. I agree with James on this point because I see it at work and with a lot of members of the church. That is they do not see Marxism in their daily lives and the complete social engineering that is going on. Most don’t want to see the issue because it is scary and difficult to understand if you do not take the time to learn about it. The adversary starts in secret combinations, then at some point is not shy about his secrets and will tell you to your face what he is doing. These social justice programs are at that point, tell it to your face and see how you will react. Thank you Greg for having James on the program. I began seeing these issues back in the early 2000 then watched it exploded through the 2010s. People said I was crazy and a conspiracy theorist. It can’t be a conspiracy if they admit they do it. Thanks again.
James is talking about Critical Immigration Theory around 1:03 in the video. I think the LDS culture is easily susceptible to this because we serve missions in far away places and there is a certain soft spot for the people we've taught and seen join the church. I've had a couple of conversations with friends and family about the mass immigration we've witnessed in the U.S. over the last several years. Many of these friends feel the "Children of Lehi" are coming home to the land of their inheritance. Many of my friends and family feel it also goes against the Church itself to oppose mass immigration and Trump's wall. There is a talk by L. Tom Perry where he begins his talk with an anecdotal story about Europe and it's mass immigration policies run amuck in his April 2005 Conference talk titled "What seek ye?" That story helped me develop some further clarity for myself.
Thank you for pointing that out . I also read the talk of Bro. Perry . The Constitution is NOT a suicide pact where We agreed to have the federal government make ALL decisions for Us and if We are “really good “ We will turn the government and the country over to whoever says they want it . The original vision of the FF which placed a premium on free citizens voting for what is best for the country..following the law , being a good citizen etc ..IS righteous . We are being lied to that to not only tolerate but encourage chaos , lawlessness and diversity above All else is being “Christlike “ . It is definitely a weakness in the Church .
LDS doctrine is basically copied from the free masons. Free masons at the highest levels worship lucifer. LDS leadership is probably doing the same at the highest levels. The right hand never knows what the left hand is doing.
Fantastic explanation! The only missing part is the strange childhood of Judith Butler, how her parents were obsessed with performing and aspiring to be like movie stars, while their daughter was not tolerated at her Jewish school.
IMO - The problem with viewing man as someone who can be transformed from outside of himself is that it provides a ready pretext for a tyrant to use force to transform institutions and societal structures in pursuit of the transformation which creates the ideal man. ... Marxism believes that the ends justify the means. The greatest lesson of history is that the means creates the ends.
I have to admit that I was one of the people who didn't see this coming even though I consider myself to be knowledgeable about societal and intellectual trends. And it was a shock to my whole world when I discovered just a couple years ago what this really was all about. And I didn't see any pushback against it until like very recently. But the fact that I'm seeing some pushback now gives me a little bit of hope.
humility, charity, chastity, gratitude, temperance, patience, and diligence are weaponised and replaced with pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath, and sloth.
Exactly. They use your own decency against you. Which means they rely not only on the very freedom they want to obliterate, but on the goodness of people they want to imprison or turn into tyrants.
Today, there are two realities. There’s Social Media Reality. This reality is based on platforms, feelings, agendas, opinions and framing. Real Reality is based on science, facts, economics and history. You can have an open discussion with a Real Reality person and could even change their mind if new evidence is introduced. You could never have a discussion with a Social Media Reality person because you’ll expose their platforms, hurt their feelings, contradict their framing, etc., etc., etc. They will yell at you, talk over you, call you names or walk out.
At 26:59. As a sociologist I take offence that the field is not a social science. Sociology is a social science and uses rigorous methods to understand social groups and human behavior. Many departments of sociology have become departments of woke ideology. I predicted in the early 1990s that postmodernism would be a disaster in universities. We can see the results in 2024. We have social justice warriors running around campus, who are enemies of free speech. There is a general wokeness on campus in many departments (including sociology). Many of my older colleagues have retired early given the current climate. The Lindsay Shepherd case at Wilfrid Laurier University and Jordan Peterson case at the University of Toronto were some of the motivating factors to leave an occupation they loved.
The word "warriors" attached to social justice, or even "Justice" attached to social delivered the advancement of the "their" (the devil's plan through humans who want to control) agenda. I wonder if it can be traced back who fed it into society. No doubt it was on purpose and to get young adults to believe they were oppressed and had to fight. It's so obvious to those of us who are just watching from outside of the events and aren't among the students and universities but only comparing it to decades ago.
Herbert Spencer was the most important thinker of the late 19th century, uncovering the evils of socialism, known for the survival of the fittest, an advocate for free trade and liberty, and also regarded as a sociologist, if I am not mistaken.
Great interview. Mr. Lindsay hits the running and wastes no time getting straight to the point. It’s clear he really understands this situation and explains it well to the average person.
I have also been trying to put it out there how the Left uses our own decency against us. Conservatives are their own worst enemies, and have taken the real and subtle bait, while making a show of "fighting" the results of their own cooperation with evil, as a result of trying too hard to appear as "good" people. We tend to care more about our public image than about the actual fruit of our "compassion" that ripens down the road into more & more power for the Left, and into new and harder kickbacks and sophisticated traps from ever increasing wokeness.
I just found your channel and love that it intersects with Mr. Lindsay. His knowledge and understanding of our current situation is invaluable. This info is so useful for us members of the church and more broadly as citizens of the west.
This is how we fight: enter our prayer closets, put on the armor of God, and speak in the Name of Jesus Christ - with His power and His authority and call the enemy down! Christ's Atonement gave Him ALL power! Our enemy is already defeated, but not yet removed from this earth. We who are the Lord's covenant children; sons and daughters of the Most High; disciples of Jesus Christ walk with Him. This earth is the Lord's and He has given dominion of it to His children. Our enemy and his doctrine, powers, authorities, and influence have no place here. We cast them out in the beginning through the power and authority of the Lamb. It is our calling and duty to do so here. Let us not confront our brothers and sisters. Let us not speak against the Lord's annointed. Speak against Satan and his host and cast them out! Cast them out of the lives of our family and friends who have succumbed to their lies and deceptions. Awake and arise - that is a commandment from our Lord!
I love this concept: "There are people who know they aren't God, and there are those who think they might be." 😳😳 This is the real battleground. Amazingly simple explanation.
The details of the philosophy at the heart of wokeness that James always brings out are extremely important to understand. That is what will help us shape how we inoculate our kids against it. Thanks for having him on n Greg!
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Thanks James! Great content.
I wish every member of the church was taught this because as you say it is eating our church alive and it needs to be weeded out!! Thank you so much for having James on! Hope it’s the first of many!!
Exposing these false political ideas through truth won’t happen at church in our current environment. Because political truth is avoided at all cost. For example any recent talks on Gadianton Robbers in the BOM or today? But I do believe political boldness will once again spoken from the pulpit in the future.
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Well, are you saying something and causing a stir or sitting idly by as it happens?
If you are talking about the Catholic Church, then YES, we need to root out Woke. Even at the very top. #BergoglioMustGo
It's eating only the fake ones 👍
I am sad and ashamed to say that I only realized the terrible situation in which we find ourselves in, was after the Oct 7th attacks. I am Romanian, but living in Italy. I was 5 at the revolution, so even though I didn’t experience the communist regime the same way my parents did, I still have memories of it and all the lacks and the fear is still running through my dna. Most likely passed from my parents. There was always so much fear of the neighbors, of the police, of the state , even of family members. Fear they could turn you in if they caught you watching western movies. Or listening to the radio. Watching the western world being captured by the hideous socialist/communist ideology feels surreal. This is a nightmare. See I don’t think they realize what they have unleashed and I pray to God they will never get to see the results of their doing. Because it would mean we failed in stopping them. I also noticed how being around these people or rules by them is exactly like when you’re in a toxic relationship with an abuser , narcissistic personality disorder or some sort of psychopathy. The way they shift blame, gaslight , abuse , scream and shout, the superiority complex, the idea that they can take advantage of our kindness and compassion. The idea that they don’t have to work , but we do . And they get to reap the benefits of our hard work. All of it makes so much sense to me when I look at this through the lens of abusive relationships. I myself am the survivor of such relationships. And they use the exact same tactics and manipulations. The entire western world is in a toxic relationship with a bunch of psychopaths.
Thank you for your comment! People need to hear this. It is a shame that we are so gullible.
Excellent comment! Survivors of communism understand how destructive it is.
I love your comment. Having studied Mousalini and his reign. I find the similarities of today, absolutely scary. But it can still be turned around if we can just get the word out. I pray every day.
Beautiful said . So much of the behavior is exactly like socialist / communist revolutionaries of the 20th century
You are so right. They are psychopaths who love to lie, manipulate and deceive.
I've been watching James Lindsay since before his Cynical Theories book came out. It all started with me listening to Jordan Peterson and hearing him talk about Post-Modernists and wondering what the heck he was talking about. Then I discovered a documentary by Mike Nayna about the grievance studies affair which introduced me to James Lindsay. His first podcast on Hegel was absolutely revelatory to me as well as the Cynical Theories book. Thanks for hosting James Lindsay, I really enjoyed the discussion
My brother stated to me he was a staunch communist during a conversation in 2020.
The thing that allowed him to open his eyes was my continuous drilling and explanation of gold as money & Marx's 5th Plank of The Communist Manifesto. That sparked the initial flame & now he can't get enough of monetary history & has turned the ship.
Did you tell him about the Information-location Problem?
Smart effort!
@@mariussielcken You mean the local knowledge problem right?
This helps me see more clearly the similarities between Karl Marx and Korihor. As is often said, evil doesn't just tell lies; it twists truths.
I may have known at one point, but I had forgotten that Marx was raised Lutheran before turning atheist. Always good to understand where people are coming from.
It's a principle of Luciferianism that one must announce their intentions, in order that people will willingly enslave themselves. So you see the conscious projection unto their "enemy" of the precise thing that they themselves do.
It's a "telling" by sheer negation. Falsity is a power deep as the power to discern truth from illusion. Watch your step.
Take the recent Davos conference; they _allowed_ opposition by letting others not in sync with them to speak. Free Will is the Golden Rule. The Law is One.
Yes, you can be truthful and dishonest eg. "My local coffee shop does not serve White people on Monday". / Its closed on Monday they serve nobody.
Man, that never occurred to me, but I totally see the similarities too. As well as Sherem and modern-day Christian nationalism - they say they believe the words of the scriptures, but must not read them very often or make any effort to understand them. All they need is the "framework" of Christianity and the receptor sites of feel-good kindness and love in order to replicate. Good thing Jacob was there to disassemble Sherem's lies; we likewise need to identify these things happening in our communities and let truth burn away falsehood.
The gates if he'll swing on hinges of half-truth and ridicule.
This is awesome! I have been following James Lindsay for years, since his work with Peter Boghossian and Helen Pluckrose. His ability and drive to unmask the language and ideas of this dark agenda is impressive. Love him! And I love your podcast Greg.
The two of you together….brilliant!
We'll see if we can get him back again. So much more to talk about.
@CwicShow Both you and he are good at making difficult philosophies more understandable and helping people to see what they mean and how they play out. The abstract stuff is difficult to understand.
@@CwicShowYes, please invite James on again, I've followed him for years and this is an awesome video; I'd love to hear more from you two together!
I’m always impressed with James Lindsay, thank you for having him on. The Truth with prevail!
I need another hour and a half of this! Part Two NOW!
Thank you for bringing on James Lindsay.
You’re welcome.
Copious thanks for having James Lindsay on your show. He is praiseworthy and of good report. The Church desperately needs to learn about this and fight against it with the greatest zeal.
Don't hold your breath. I do not say that begrudgingly, but it does not seem to be the approach they are taking for now.
@@CwicShow
To our detriment, sadly.
@@CwicShow How can the Church tolerate another religion growing within it - particularly one that teaches the satanic doctrine that God is the devil and the devil is god? Where is the leadership? Where is the Spirit?? Shocking beyond words.
Let’s get James to speak at BYU!!!!!
That's a whole other rabbit hole.
BYU needs to be having regular speakers like James Lindsay to offset the mandatory brainwashing of the Academy. Accreditation is the bane of the university system. It forces any university that receives federal funding (including BYU, sadly) to adhere to junk science and Marxist updates of teaching curriculums and standards.
That would be phenomenal!
James Lindsay is a legend! Nice work! We should all listen to him.
Lindsay is brilliant! Not only brilliant but so able to articulate in such a way that it’s comprehensible. Touché
A fierce and articulate firestorm of ideas and thinking through from Jame, the heroic intellectual de-mythologizer!
Way to go GREG! . . JAMES Lindsay IS THE BOSS ON WOKE!
This is an interview I wasn’t expecting to see happen. Glad to see you finally got ahold of him.
Thanks so much for having James Lindsay on your show. Have followed him for a long time on twitter and really admire his work. Always nice to hear sanity in this insane world.
Glad to see you Bring Dr Lindsay on. I’ve been following him for a couple years now, and he understands this better than anyone I believe.
This was worth the wait. I also have to add that while I had hoped when this video came, that it would have had some time where James speaks specifically to issues he's mentioned with Utah (fake red state) or The Church. But after watching it I appreciate that you kept it on the topics you covered AND in particular I happen to think the way you added your insights and questions was very clever in that you alluded to topics that your audience would pick up on, without beating James over the head with it and specifically trying to draw out an answer by leading the witness. There were a number of times that you said "key phrases" that you often discuss on your videos and he ran with it, and we got the answer we were interested in hearing, yet it was somewhat "for those that have ears to hear" if you will.
Great interview. One of my favorites. It also answered a few questions I still had that were fuzzy for me. It seems like over the past year James has been working to refine his ideas and each interview it seems like he's sharper and more refined in how he lays it all out.
Good point. Over the years I've been following James, I've become increasingly impressed with his ever-improving ability to discern and describe the morass of Wokeism. He's making it easier for me to explain to people who don't yet understand how insidious and dangerous it is.
As a religious studies degree holder, I've been trying to warn people since 2014... Ffs, nobody ever cares until it gets too bad.
Just like multiple times in the Bible.
Bringing in the heavy hitters Dr. Swain and now James Lindsey! Awesome!
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So awesome that you got James Lindsay on your show!
Indeed
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One of the best guests and discussions you've ever had, Greg! When I heard James talk about the attitudes, that have been taking over in the churches, of "being nice", "gentle as doves", etc. - at the expense of being "wise as serpents", I immediately thought of what has been happening over the past several years within our own church. I see the increasing push for "unity", and the appeasing and embracing of the perceived "oppressed" (while at the same time lecturing the congregations, or the perceived "oppressors"), as buying into the exact Marxist philosophies described here in this discussion. Painting the allowance for self-destruction (by way of embracing open borders - and all who come through them, LGBT acceptance, and giving credence to the ideologies of BLM/'White Guilt', etc.) with the sweeping brush of "Love Thy Neighbor" - and if you don't go along, you are "un-Christlike" - frankly, seems to align more with 'Social Justice' ideals than Gospel Principles and the Doctrine of Christ - especially since the emphasis by our leaders coincides chronoligically with these very same issues our society has been dealing with. Instead of being a "peculiar people", it seems we are becoming a "woke" people.
Woe the day you think you know more then our leaders ! ?? You do not. Meaning our prophet and apostles ? They do exactly as directed . They know the future . You do not .
How do you reconcile the leaders of the church going along with a lot of these false/wicked ideologies with your faith? (Assuming you are an active LDS member) i’m working through this myself.
@@lindamartinez7006 I’ve had a bishop tell me things that completely contradict the prophets and apostles. People are fallible even if they are your leaders. I don’t sustain a bishop that goes along with the doctrines of lgbtqia ideology. Doubt your doubts first for sure but blind faith isn’t the answer.
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Where did I say, or even indicate that I know more than our leaders? My concern that certain ideologies and even agendas regarding the Social issues of our day seem to increasingly have a presence, or that they may be influencing the attitudes of our leaders (especially local leaders) in no way indicates that I see myself as above them, or that I believe I know better than they, or can see the future. My comments were merely an observation based on personal experience, as well as public decisions and actions by our leaders. I happen to sustain our 15 General Authorities as prophets, seers, and revelators as they speak for the Lord, and direct His church, with our prophet holding all the keys to administer the Lord's kingdom on Earth. Even so, they are not perfect. They can and do make mistakes. As Elder Holland says, "Imperfect people are all God has ever had to work with. That must be terribly frustrating to Him, but He deals with it. So should we." I also have a personally revealed testimony of the Restored Gospel and the divine mission of our Savior, and acknowledge the necessity for having a church/organization as a vehicle for administering the ordinances and teaching the principles that allow us to attain the highest degree of glory in our Father's kingdom. This testimony is my most valuable possession and constitutes the foundation of belief in my life. In fact, now, more than ever, I depend on that testimony to anchor me to the Covenant Path as the influences and attitudes I mentioned attempt to creep in. As we know, truth is truth. It has no qualifier. Even when other voices would attempt to distract or disuade, or even infiltrate, abandoning truth is not an option that I choose, for I know in whom I have placed my trust. Perhaps before sitting in judgement and pronouncing woes upon a complete stranger, you might instead ask for clarification from the person whose comment you may not completely understand because you have jumped to conclusions.
@@capybara39419 thanks for your testimony, i’m striving to gain one of our leaders in the church, especially the 15. Hopefully I can get to where you’re at with that someday.
I’m not going to pretend to understand everything that was spoken here but what I will say, for what it’s worth, the spirit seem to confirm to me repeatedly throughout is how this is a genuine discussion, free of agendas, and most importantly, motivated by real truth seeking. I applaud both brothers here. Thank you both striving to understand and live truth.
This discussion was profound.
My experience teaches me that the quality of my analysis is commensurate to my willingness to consider, that at any point along the way I might be wrong, or, that I may not have enough information. This, perhaps counterintuitively, has increased my confidence in analysis.
The clarity of James’ description of Marxist ideology is mind blowing. All you need to know about Marxism in one hour! I took notes furiously. Thank you both.
41:50 - as a recovering theatre kid I found this hilarious. I was always told if acting didn’t work out to go be a lawyer or a politician because that’s all it is anyway. I’m a bit miffed the younger me didn’t think a bit more about what that really meant.
Lehi called it "an exceedingly great mist of darkness." James Lindsay traced the evolution of this darkness by citing many of its proponents, noting "your average functionary in this world view believes everything is pretend." The father of all this darkness, all this pretend, all this delusion, was not cited in this discussion. I think of this often when I am in the temple and I hear "Who are you?" And the answer is "I am the god of this world." That is pretend. That is delusion. Satan is the very father of delusion, of pretend, of darkness. What these two men are talking about is literally the doctrine of devils.
That’s exactly what it is.
Yes! 🎯
Bingo❣️
Amen Brother!!!
And it's actively and openly promoted at BYU. Look at the twisted sociology department, for example.
Pres. Benson would close that place down in a heartbeat before allowing this satanic doctrine be taught at a Church institution.
Thank you for having James on!!
You're welcome!
We are told to Cleave unto Charity ... Cleaving defines into two sides ... Embracing and Cutting. Charity is Stewardship, Sorting between Reasonable and Unreasonable with a Virtuous Mind. The feminine side is to embrace and the masculine is to cut ... there is purpose in male and female, especially in marriage. You are right, we have been led to embrace continually without the cutting, once again the feminine nurturer so they. can push the overload of chaotic care in the name of unrighteous dominion. We are definitely in a Culture of Narcissism, infant, behavior. We as a Christian Society have been taught to turn our cheek, but not repeatedly like so many have interpreted .... we first turn our cheek, and then we wait for the next move ... if they strike again, they are an enemy, if they ask forgiveness we know them to be repentant ... we were never invited to rollover forever. Remember, Charity never faileth💝
40:53 - "none of us even bothered to look under the hood to see what's going on there. We just assumed everybody there was doing what they were supposed to. They weren't."
Guilty as charged. I used to fight against concepts like the deep state, wokeism in our universities or Church, not believing that others would actually stoop to the levels they are. How naive I was! The last few years have been really eye opening, as well as a huge gut punch for me, finally understanding how far society has actually devolved.
Awakening to our awful situation is good. It was a command in the Book of Mormon. When we see it, we are well on our way for good.
This has been is packed full of information and I will need to listen to it several times -- I think this is great information to know.
I agree. I saved the video again, as I know I will need to watch it at least 2 more times (severe dyslexia is an itch-bay!). This was a great convo, and I love Dr. James Lindsay so much for his wisdom and knowledge. I would love to get him to talk some sense into my Sweetheart, who is "very liberal," I'm afraid. I would hope he would see JL's doctorate, and listen, but learn.
Praxis! This explains why all of my woke managers were giggle-chanting the mantra "Fake it til you make it" to each other while effing up projects left and right. Working at an aerospace design firm, I found it severely out of place that a bunch of humanities degree 30 something girl bosses would act so audaciously in the midst of accomplished designers. NOW I get it.
I hate that mantra - worked in universities for years and it was filled with girl bosses who said that at nauseam. They were wrong 90% of the time and so Blaise about it. ‘Oh well, we will know for next time’ even though people told them explicitly what was going to happen beforehand. They just shrug it off and they only cared about what everyone was wearing. There was a project on staff outfits and they paid $200k for a daft woman to hold committees about it and it took them months and months and they couldn’t agree and nothing happened. Iceland held a woman’s strike for a day and the only thing that happened was that there wasn’t any hr complaints. The men were like finally can get some work done. The output improved and there was zero downsides. Sounds like a dream
I just heard a woman say opinions are always right and facts are often wrong. It’s so wrong and there was no humility when she was corrected. ‘I still stand by what I said’
And now you know why early Soviet watches couldn't keep time.
Instead of a contrived quota system to cram under qualified people into STEM, the Soviet government literally forced watchmakers to be farmers and allowed the "oppressed" farmers to be watchmakers (or other technical jobs for which they had no skills for).
The inversion of praxis was taken literally and millions died as a result.
Years and years and years ago when my husband and I saw a new department called "Female Studies" i literally felt sick.
Yes. Patriarchy feminism led to Women's Studies and intersectional feminism. Intersectional feminism became just intersectionality and led to the rest of the grievance studies and the eventual corruption of the STEM departments.
Now to get Thomas Sowell.
Or Dennis Prager. Or Victor Hanson. How about if I just email you my list of people I would like to see on your show?
One of the best explanations I've heard of the woke pedigree. James is at his best here-- Great job.
Seriously, THIS is the best explanation of the WOKE ideology/Cult/religion... TRULY, a sad state of affairs the world is in.😢
Thank you, Greg, for having these difficult casts! Keep it coming!
It makes sense why this has invaded our church, because we are naturally good loving people! We had the receptors a plenty! I believe it will eventually be rejected! I was not so hopeful a few months back but as I've gathered with like minded saints I see where our real loyalties lie, with the Savior.
Score... James Lindsay is the master of wokeism. Thanks
I'm LDS, spent the last decade in higher ed, and a 4th year PhD student but may leaveit and education altogether. Glad you had Lindsay on so our LDS community can perceive its worst kind of gaslighting. My 3 grad degrees (2012 to present) are permeated by performativity, demanding I falsely play the scripted, essentialized white male villain role in class every day. I fought it, understood it, and self-censored A LOT between '18 and '24. I've lived that performativity, and this social justice paradigm virus infected my English discipline and deteriorated its ability to conduct honest and replicable research.
I'm so sorry you have been going through this. Academia today is so sad. That's why I've told my kids a college degree is not essential to a great job (Because honestly I don't want them to go. I'd rather have them sane, whole, loved, feel appreciated, etc. Although, that was my expectation for them starting out as a mom in 1998.) I'm glad you have fought it. Your kids will be so much better off that you have the great understanding of what has been happening. We've talked about Marxism as "the Mark" for years.
I appreciate your thoughts. I agree that having James Lindsay on was very instructive. Can you expand a bit on the "worst kind of gaslighting" you referred to? I can guess what you mean, but I'd like to better understand. Thanks.
@MommaCrissa you and Mike Rowe sound alike! Great advice. Your sanity gives me hope. I hope your kids avoided the 'virus' or engaged with it well. I will say, not all degrees are created equal. Evidence-based degrees in STEM can withstand the ideological onslaught in ways my theory-based humanities degrees can not, though not fully immune I admit. I have documented my identity-based ostracization and try to share my understanding via my Project Luminas substack and theskykingblog. Share if anyone you know is experiencing the isolation and racial/gender essentialism that drains the will to research and work.
Oh my goodness, I am sure you will find people who are in your exact shoes. That's great you've been documenting! I follow a few on substack. I'll take a look at yours tomorrow when I'm at my computer. I believe (as James alludes to near the end) that our whole education system will be taken down, but the ones who bring a Zion approach to education will be a whole other class. Just know you have something to look forward to. Be the one who stands out firm. Be wise and kind. Personally, I love Robin Williams in the Dead Poets Society who engages and helps students think for themselves. Keep God at the forefront and a sly smile of knowing what the future holds once we get past the degradation of elites masking truth.
If your talking about Mike Rowe dirty jobs, I like that guy!
Thank God that I live in Iowa. We have wokeness, but not much. Farmers don't tolerate wokeness.
I discovered similar when I left the Wasatch Front for Utah’s hinterlands. It turns out the ideal town size to get away from any level of wokeness is about 3,000 or less and too busy farming.
Yes! I think it's because in farming, reality can't be denied or ignored or twisted. The natural world IS reality, we have to learn to work with it to be successful.
So when Lysenko tried to use a socialist method of growing crops, millions of people starved to death.
I've lived in cities where people have absolutely no clue how the food they buy gets from seed to plant to harvest to their grocery store. I'm glad I moved!
I never met a man who promoted wokeness.
@@matthewatwood8641 Good for you. I live in Iowa but in one of the big university towns. There are lots of men who will at least pretend to be woke. I knew men, heterosexual men, who wore skirts and participated in a gay kissing day on campus thirty years ago.
@@edennis8578 I misspoke. Right at the beginning of it I knew a guy - real snob. He stopped talking to me at some point thank God.
This is a fantastic discussion. I’ve watched many of James Lindsey‘s things the accuracy this man has come a crossed is mine blowing. And 100% true you can’t turn anything on to watch and not have this evil garbage shoved in your face.
Tragic to see so many members of the Church being seduced by the siren song of wokeness.
James is such a high level, analytical thinker. I love it.
In Jungian terms, this woke/marxist/communist ideology/religion is the shadow of the restored gospel. The members who’ve bought into this ideology are pushing for its “integration” (as Jung believed we must integrate our shadow to become truly whole/one). The issue for these members is; they want it all integrated, but the Doctrine makes it clear what can and cannot be integrated.. So much more could be said.
Fascinating times we’ve found ourselves in.
Greg you are on fire this year my friend! Keep it up.
So much good stuff. Thanks, Greg and James.
James is exactly right in explaining that this new form of Marxism (wokeness) is based in completely warped versions of Christ-like attributes and principles. If we aren't paying attention to the bad fruits of this "religion" and if we aren't constantly inviting the spirit into our lives, we won't be able to discern truth from error and we will be deceived. Until one day, having lost everything important to us, we'll wake up and wonder how we ended up where we did. The father of lies is hard at work. Thanks, Greg, for working hard on the counterstrike.
Greg, James, this was one of the best shows yet. It always makes me so sad and frustrated when I see people recognize their creative and powerful natures and then take a wrong turn and use this knowledge to try to control others instead of educating others to these truths and inviting them to exercise their true nature to fulfill their personal potential. This is just a heightened continuation of the war in heaven.
Excellent content 👏🏻
James knows his stuff for sure.
This conversation was amazing!
James Lindsay!!!
Wow, you got James Lindsey?! What a perfect collab for a great discussion about such an important topic
Not classical Liberal, but modern liberals have the major pride factor.
Great episode. Hopefully one day this will be a distant memory and James can go back to mathematics
This was sooo good! Thank you for getting him on.
Thank you both for being on the wrong side of history!! 😅 Excellent conversation! Although I’ve found myself feeling somewhat pessimistic like Greg mentioned, by the end I feel more optimistic like James. Appreciate you Greg for getting this to the LDS crowd.
So many good points, and definitions
First! James Lindsay needs to be more known out there. Thanks for bringing him
He is pretty well known with people that pay attention.
Most people don't pay attention, though
I didn't know who he was, but have followed the agenda of what has been happening on society. My husband and I talk about Marxism and what's going on with people for years. Maybe we haven't found we needed someone to explain it to us, not sure.
James has been talking a lot recently about the wokification of churches, and Christianity’s particular vulnerability to being co-opted. Obviously all very relevant for us LDS. It was touched on but I would have appreciated deeper and more precise exploration there, including LDS culture vulnerabilities (to share with our community and help them wake up). He has, not without justification, been recently calling out Utah. Maybe next time!
As an aside, would love to see you also interview Metaxas!
I was with him last year and had a chance to talk. I hope that can happen at some point.
Metaxes loves the sound of his own voice a bit too much. Maybe he's better if he get's to be the main speaker.
42:38 Is an amazing point. They are actors. AOC's performance crying at the border "cages" was all an act. I actually love the analysis the Jordan Peterson does on the movie Pinochio. The bad guys want to make him an actor, while his creator wants him to become a real boy. In the end, the actors all start tearing things down and living hedonistically until they are basically braying donkeys captive to a different master.
We can see the focus on identity from both sides. This is a huge part of the battle.
This is also why we should be against sayings like, "it takes a village" to raise a child. NO IT DOESN'T! It takes good parents and not the neighbors or the childs classes parents. This is an example to really start thinking about. If you compare this to Zion, Zion is not group -think, its Jesus think. We always look to God not a group.
My favorite so far. I have of gratitude for Mr. Lindsay who has clearly dedicateduch of his tome and talents to understanding the macro picture of what is going on globaly. This has been a huge eye opener and builder of my dependency on God. Understanding this just a little better takes so much shame out of defending Christ while still loving your neighbor.
So delighted to see this -- James Lindsay has done more to inform and awaken me (and many others) to what we truly face than anyone else. Now, how do we get him a meeting with the brethren :)
Oh, yes! So needed!
This was such a great episode. So much to unpack and to understand. I agree with James on this point because I see it at work and with a lot of members of the church. That is they do not see Marxism in their daily lives and the complete social engineering that is going on. Most don’t want to see the issue because it is scary and difficult to understand if you do not take the time to learn about it. The adversary starts in secret combinations, then at some point is not shy about his secrets and will tell you to your face what he is doing. These social justice programs are at that point, tell it to your face and see how you will react. Thank you Greg for having James on the program. I began seeing these issues back in the early 2000 then watched it exploded through the 2010s. People said I was crazy and a conspiracy theorist. It can’t be a conspiracy if they admit they do it. Thanks again.
Excellent interview and information. I understand these issues so much better now.I will pass this on to everyone I can. Thanks so much.
40k subscribers! Good job Greg!
James is talking about Critical Immigration Theory around 1:03 in the video. I think the LDS culture is easily susceptible to this because we serve missions in far away places and there is a certain soft spot for the people we've taught and seen join the church. I've had a couple of conversations with friends and family about the mass immigration we've witnessed in the U.S. over the last several years. Many of these friends feel the "Children of Lehi" are coming home to the land of their inheritance. Many of my friends and family feel it also goes against the Church itself to oppose mass immigration and Trump's wall. There is a talk by L. Tom Perry where he begins his talk with an anecdotal story about Europe and it's mass immigration policies run amuck in his April 2005 Conference talk titled "What seek ye?" That story helped me develop some further clarity for myself.
Thank you for pointing that out . I also read the talk of Bro. Perry . The Constitution is NOT a suicide pact where We agreed to have the federal government make ALL decisions for Us and if We are “really good “ We will turn the government and the country over to whoever says they want it . The original vision of the FF which placed a premium on free citizens voting for what is best for the country..following the law , being a good citizen etc ..IS righteous . We are being lied to that to not only tolerate but encourage chaos , lawlessness and diversity above All else is being “Christlike “ . It is definitely a weakness in the Church .
LDS doctrine is basically copied from the free masons. Free masons at the highest levels worship lucifer. LDS leadership is probably doing the same at the highest levels. The right hand never knows what the left hand is doing.
Wow. This was amazing. This is what I want to say but when it comes out my mouth it doesn’t sound like this.
Fantastic explanation! The only missing part is the strange childhood of Judith Butler, how her parents were obsessed with performing and aspiring to be like movie stars, while their daughter was not tolerated at her Jewish school.
IMO - The problem with viewing man as someone who can be transformed from outside of himself is that it provides a ready pretext for a tyrant to use force to transform institutions and societal structures in pursuit of the transformation which creates the ideal man. ... Marxism believes that the ends justify the means. The greatest lesson of history is that the means creates the ends.
Passive internal voice makes one susceptible to wokeness. You may be acted upon, but that’s not your essence. You are the acting power. Always.
I have to admit that I was one of the people who didn't see this coming even though I consider myself to be knowledgeable about societal and intellectual trends. And it was a shock to my whole world when I discovered just a couple years ago what this really was all about. And I didn't see any pushback against it until like very recently. But the fact that I'm seeing some pushback now gives me a little bit of hope.
Thank you, Greg and James! Much needed information that I shared with my family of 9 grown children.
Fantastic interview with Dr. Lindsay.
Thanks!
humility, charity, chastity, gratitude, temperance, patience, and diligence are weaponised and replaced with pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath, and sloth.
Exactly. They use your own decency against you. Which means they rely not only on the very freedom they want to obliterate, but on the goodness of people they want to imprison or turn into tyrants.
Brilliant conversation. Subbed. 👍
James Lindsay is brilliant.
Today, there are two realities. There’s Social Media Reality. This reality is based on platforms, feelings, agendas, opinions and framing. Real Reality is based on science, facts, economics and history. You can have an open discussion with a Real Reality person and could even change their mind if new evidence is introduced. You could never have a discussion with a Social Media Reality person because you’ll expose their platforms, hurt their feelings, contradict their framing, etc., etc., etc. They will yell at you, talk over you, call you names or walk out.
facts will never change your feelings
Good guest. Check out his interview with We are the People UT too.
Thanks, I will!
Utahns better wake up about their political situation.
At 26:59. As a sociologist I take offence that the field is not a social science. Sociology is a social science and uses rigorous methods to understand social groups and human behavior. Many departments of sociology have become departments of woke ideology. I predicted in the early 1990s that postmodernism would be a disaster in universities. We can see the results in 2024. We have social justice warriors running around campus, who are enemies of free speech. There is a general wokeness on campus in many departments (including sociology). Many of my older colleagues have retired early given the current climate. The Lindsay Shepherd case at Wilfrid Laurier University and Jordan Peterson case at the University of Toronto were some of the motivating factors to leave an occupation they loved.
The word "warriors" attached to social justice, or even "Justice" attached to social delivered the advancement of the "their" (the devil's plan through humans who want to control) agenda. I wonder if it can be traced back who fed it into society. No doubt it was on purpose and to get young adults to believe they were oppressed and had to fight. It's so obvious to those of us who are just watching from outside of the events and aren't among the students and universities but only comparing it to decades ago.
Herbert Spencer was the most important thinker of the late 19th century, uncovering the evils of socialism, known for the survival of the fittest, an advocate for free trade and liberty, and also regarded as a sociologist, if I am not mistaken.
@@BachateroSueco Yes, you are correct. Herbert Spencer is one of the forgotten sociological theorists.
Wow this was so good!
Thanks for the feedback.
Great interview. Mr. Lindsay hits the running and wastes no time getting straight to the point. It’s clear he really understands this situation and explains it well to the average person.
Thank you.....I "stalk" James wherever he speaks. He is so intelligent and my mentor. And he is great humor.
I agree. I have been saying this for the last 3-5 years.
I have also been trying to put it out there how the Left uses our own decency against us. Conservatives are their own worst enemies, and have taken the real and subtle bait, while making a show of "fighting" the results of their own cooperation with evil, as a result of trying too hard to appear as "good" people.
We tend to care more about our public image than about the actual fruit of our "compassion" that ripens down the road into more & more power for the Left, and into new and harder kickbacks and sophisticated traps from ever increasing wokeness.
I just found your channel and love that it intersects with Mr. Lindsay. His knowledge and understanding of our current situation is invaluable. This info is so useful for us members of the church and more broadly as citizens of the west.
Excellent. Get Lindsay to BYU.
YES!!
WOW! Greg Awesome!!! Fanboying right now
This is how we fight: enter our prayer closets, put on the armor of God, and speak in the Name of Jesus Christ - with His power and His authority and call the enemy down! Christ's Atonement gave Him ALL power! Our enemy is already defeated, but not yet removed from this earth. We who are the Lord's covenant children; sons and daughters of the Most High; disciples of Jesus Christ walk with Him. This earth is the Lord's and He has given dominion of it to His children. Our enemy and his doctrine, powers, authorities, and influence have no place here. We cast them out in the beginning through the power and authority of the Lamb. It is our calling and duty to do so here. Let us not confront our brothers and sisters. Let us not speak against the Lord's annointed. Speak against Satan and his host and cast them out! Cast them out of the lives of our family and friends who have succumbed to their lies and deceptions. Awake and arise - that is a commandment from our Lord!
Another fantastic video! Thank you
Whatever is trendy is what the majority of people will think they believe in.
it's crazy how true this is.
D&C 38…”behold, the enemy is combined.”
I love this concept: "There are people who know they aren't God, and there are those who think they might be." 😳😳
This is the real battleground. Amazingly simple explanation.
Really enjoyed this discussion. Thanks.
The people who need to see this, won’t.
Thank you, James. And, thank you Greg. 👍
Excellent!! Thank you! ✅
Glad you liked it!
NOBODY knows the sources like Lindsay. His digging down all the way to the ancient heresies of Gnosticism and Hermeticism really cracked the code.
This was very enlightening. Thank you.
The best Dialectic researcher in the world.
Lindsay interviewed by Orson Welles
The details of the philosophy at the heart of wokeness that James always brings out are extremely important to understand. That is what will help us shape how we inoculate our kids against it. Thanks for having him on n Greg!
Absolutely!