The Future of Coal - TV Eye - Thames TV - 1981

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  • This week the Coal Board announces its plans for the future of Britain’s mines.
    Today the NUM executives pledged to fight the threatened closures, of up to fifty pits and the loss of over 20,000
    cuts, jobs
    First shown: 12/02/1981
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    archive@fremantlemedia.com
    Quote: VT24251

Komentáře • 152

  • @robcousins231
    @robcousins231 Před 3 lety +14

    Ezra was a great man and forged a very close relationship with Gormley and the two worked together to forge improvements in the productivity and Ezra produced a strategy outlined in the 'Plan for Coal' in 1974, which provided a boost for investment, research and development, and a Japanese-style collaboration between the industry and its suppliers. This produced impressive benefits for both sides and helped British mining machinery manufacturers to be among the world leaders. He was a champion for British coal and British manufacturing. Such a shame that a good partnership that was had with him and Gormley then changed to that of McGregor and Scargill. Ezra's entire working life was in coal.

    • @nunchuck7341
      @nunchuck7341 Před měsícem

      Gornley was in with mi5. Do your home work

  • @S7EVE_P
    @S7EVE_P Před 4 lety +18

    Yes once upon a time we had a huge industry, now we have to import everything.

    • @martipowell2878
      @martipowell2878 Před rokem +2

      Re: once upon a time we had a huge industry
      > once upon a time IS the start of a fairy tale
      coal is in INTERNATIONAL decline - the WORLD has moved ON
      The world IS continuously moving, and it WILL continue 2 MOVE
      > That IS the future - where the money IS

    • @jonsimmons4150
      @jonsimmons4150 Před rokem

      @@martipowell2878 lots of industries only coal will do the job.

  • @johnsinclair4111
    @johnsinclair4111 Před 2 lety +10

    I live in Scotland. The SNP ( more accurately Sturgeon) is determined to destroy our oil and gas industry today in 2021, just as Thatcher destroyed coal in the 1980s. Once again, we the ordinary people, are forced to suffer while politicians sail off into the sunset. They have seen to it that they are well looked after. Is selfie Nic angling for a UN job, just as Thatcher went to the Lords?

    • @Roscoe.P.Coldchain
      @Roscoe.P.Coldchain Před 2 lety +2

      Yes and look at the mess where in now because they decided to rely on energy from abroad..They wouldn’t be a crisis if we still had coal

    • @neil5568
      @neil5568 Před rokem +1

      HEAR! HEAR!

    • @gavinmillar7519
      @gavinmillar7519 Před rokem +1

      Agreed

  • @aliorr9356
    @aliorr9356 Před rokem +3

    They had different points of view while maintaining respect for each other.
    Don’t see that often these days.

  • @politicalphilosophy-thegre3894

    Coal production has been declining in absolute numbers since 1920 in Britain, nothing to do with Tories/Labour and everything to do with international competition.

    • @daviddouglass5399
      @daviddouglass5399 Před 2 lety +7

      nonesence OMS rose from nationalisations right through the life of the industry until British coal was the cheapest deep mined coal in the world and was cheaper than even Australian open cast after their transport subsidy. No other country produced coal cheaper than us, although they were allowed to sell it below the cost of production with massive subsidies. British coal had the lowest state subsidy in the world see my book Ghost Dancers, David John Douglass

    • @Roscoe.P.Coldchain
      @Roscoe.P.Coldchain Před 2 lety +2

      Your comments aged well..? And what about if the countries we import from turn hostile ? As you have seen with Ukraine it’s the working class people that suffer in the hands of these fools

    • @_Ben4810
      @_Ben4810 Před 6 měsíci

      @daviddouglass5399 If British coal was the cheapest mined coal in the world with the lowest/zero subsidy on it, then that would have made it the most profitable of materials sales wise...So why wasn't this coal heavily marketed for export sales & why didn't the CEGB buy British coal only...?

  • @user-fk8rb8ue5h
    @user-fk8rb8ue5h Před 3 lety +14

    I am not a Socialist but Joe Gormley was a decent man.

  • @michaeledwardparker9497
    @michaeledwardparker9497 Před 5 lety +23

    It’s never been any different it’s always been us and them

    • @UncleBoratagain
      @UncleBoratagain Před 5 lety +6

      Michael Parker Not at all, the daughter of a fruit and veg shop owner became Prime Minister, from a state education.

    • @agfagaevart
      @agfagaevart Před 4 lety +6

      @@UncleBoratagain No! The daughter of a very wealthy MP, who owned a Green Grocer's shop in a small town called Grantham, back in the 1940s when a shopkeeper was consider a god in a small village - unlike today. Put it in the correct perspective...

    • @davepage1151
      @davepage1151 Před 4 lety +6

      agfagaevart no - he was not an MP at all ... he was Alderman of Grantham from 1943 to 1952 and Mayor of Grantham from 1945 to 1946 as a liberal. Perhaps read up on him .... his story gives an insight into why his daughter was so driven. Love her or loath her ..... she worked her way to where she got so you have to respect she didn’t have it handed to her at all.

    • @zeddeka
      @zeddeka Před 4 lety +7

      It's that attitude, on both sides, that destroyed so much of British industry. Instead of working together like they do in Germany, British workers and management fought a class war against eachother, all while our competitors were mopping up the world markets

    • @agfagaevart
      @agfagaevart Před 4 lety +1

      @@zeddeka It will happen again. But now we don't even have a car industry to strike over...It will be a Tech war, whose jobs can be moved anywhere in the world.

  • @harmlessdrudge
    @harmlessdrudge Před 6 lety +22

    03:40 "...that we must drop our targets by 10 million tonnes when we're still importing 10 million tonnes into Britain. What sort of a mad lunacy is this?"
    The problem was that it was cheaper to purchase imported coal than to buy British coal. But the the miners were demanding higher wages that would make them even more uncompetitive. A sensible miners union would have sat down with the government to work out how to make coal profitable again.

    • @neuralyser
      @neuralyser Před 5 lety +12

      A sensible miner's union is a contradiction in terms

    • @nw8000
      @nw8000 Před 5 lety +6

      Its people like this that has given us Jeremy Corbyn

    • @agfagaevart
      @agfagaevart Před 4 lety +6

      You say that like Ian MacGregor was ready to sit down and work things out with the miners. He wasn't.

    • @agfagaevart
      @agfagaevart Před 4 lety +5

      @Ru22eLL If by "leadership" you mean Scargill, he knew that Thatcher wanted to crush the unions, regardless.

    • @zeddeka
      @zeddeka Před 4 lety +1

      @Ru22eLL sadly, large parts of the trade union movement has become the aggressors against the general public. The public turned against them and elected Thatcher to get rid of them.

  • @danielrichardcaprani9960
    @danielrichardcaprani9960 Před 5 měsíci

    🦆sir Derek,we ain't paying our Taxes......the money is ours....2024

  • @mjptrapster
    @mjptrapster Před 6 lety +17

    Comb overs - everywhere!

  • @AC-SlaUkr
    @AC-SlaUkr Před 3 lety +5

    Didn’t turn out so well. If the communist Scargill and the unions hadn’t been playing politics, jobs would still have been lost, but coal could have had a future for a few decades to come! However, coal would stop being used. Environmental needs meant this.

  • @gavinmillar7519
    @gavinmillar7519 Před rokem +1

    6.50 - what would they make of the mess we are in now.

  • @SkyDog-hh9ze
    @SkyDog-hh9ze Před 6 lety +7

    Did you know that Gormley was working for the government? Because how many Union leaders get Honours.

    • @ericellis3506
      @ericellis3506 Před 4 lety +1

      You must be joking...Sir Paul Kenny , Baron Vic Feather, Baron Bill Morris, etc etc.

    • @chrisp4170
      @chrisp4170 Před 2 lety +3

      How many union leaders at that time worked for their members? A few. Gormley was one of them. How many worked for themselves? Many Scargill was one. Later proved by his hone for life corruption.

  • @jamesfordjhfcontractingltd1627

    Well the miners got it very wrong didn’t they, underestimating mrs thatcher

  • @JamesRichards-mj9kw
    @JamesRichards-mj9kw Před 7 měsíci

    Germany and the United States had already surpassed the UK by 1890.

  • @ronmccullock1407
    @ronmccullock1407 Před 2 lety +1

    Fantastic hairstyles

  • @griltig
    @griltig Před 5 lety +9

    “Shafted” by the EU even back then. UK too soft as per usual

    • @fmgizmo
      @fmgizmo Před 4 lety +2

      You are spot on and time will tell

    • @zeddeka
      @zeddeka Před 4 lety

      What an absolute load of shit

    • @chrisp4170
      @chrisp4170 Před 2 lety +4

      The EU permitted Germany, Belgium and France to support their industries and would have supported the UK too. This was a UK government decision not to support mining.
      As always though, Tories blamed the EU. Then when it came to the vote all those years later, the people believed the Tories that the EU was the problem.
      Stupidity.

  • @kylehill6384
    @kylehill6384 Před 4 lety +7

    I voted Tory in the last election and hate Labour. But those great men, the coal miners, made Britain great.

    • @zeddeka
      @zeddeka Před 4 lety +1

      With respect, what's that got to do with anything? This all happened almost half a century ago.

    • @dominicmackrill5953
      @dominicmackrill5953 Před 4 lety +1

      Burning coal still are we? So it was inevitable

    • @kylehill6384
      @kylehill6384 Před 4 lety +2

      @@zeddeka Labour used to be a conservative patriotic party.

  • @brianmarshall4753
    @brianmarshall4753 Před 2 lety

    I remember tv eyes on Thursday night

  • @glenisbarwick2566
    @glenisbarwick2566 Před 2 lety

    Very tru

  • @kjones6941
    @kjones6941 Před 6 lety +3

    he was mi5 inside man !!!

    • @cliveseal1557
      @cliveseal1557 Před 5 lety +3

      do you honestly believe that? shear propaganda to discredit him. He actually had been a collier and his family worked in the industry. I went to training school with his grandson who was at Parkside. The truth about his successor and his lack of loyalty is finally coming out, Oh yes and they reckoned he was receiving money from Libya. Propaganda to discredit. The real problem was you had a man who had received the best of public school educations and a totally biased presenter walking rings round a genuine man who got most of his education at Bold colliery. The colliery I worked at was on this hit list and closed. What is alluded to at 15 mins in was exactly what was implemented and won the day

    • @si4632
      @si4632 Před 5 lety

      probably the unions colluded with thatcher commies all round they all are at the top

    • @davopen
      @davopen Před 4 lety +1

      Gormley the traitor was passing mass picket information to the intelligence services and was rewarded with a knighthood....

    • @thomaspynchon2871
      @thomaspynchon2871 Před 3 lety

      @@cliveseal1557 Gormley?
      Gormley was a special branch informant - there is no real doubt about that.

    • @chrisp4170
      @chrisp4170 Před 2 lety

      Against those working for Russia, Yes. Just like Healey. Thank God they both did or we’d have been Putin’s puppets to abuse.

  • @anthonydeary874
    @anthonydeary874 Před 5 lety +7

    The Yuppie Tories must,ve made a fortune!

    • @robdewey317
      @robdewey317 Před 3 lety +5

      And Britain became more prosperous than any time in its history as a result.

    • @terrancedactielle5460
      @terrancedactielle5460 Před 3 lety +1

      @@robdewey317 don't think we had food banks back then...... the lower classes are basking in that prosperity.

    • @MrDanielfff777
      @MrDanielfff777 Před 3 lety +3

      @@terrancedactielle5460 they did you donut, charity is one of the oldest industries ever

  • @politicalphilosophy-thegre3894

    Coal production has been declining since 1920 in absolute numbers, all to do with international competition and little to do with Tories and Labour.

  • @nw8000
    @nw8000 Před 5 lety +7

    Oh course what nobody is discussing is its EU policy which mostly caused this situation...

    • @VanlifewithAlan
      @VanlifewithAlan Před 4 lety +4

      Sounds like a brainwashed BrexiTraitor argument to me but no doubt the Quitters will fall for it. The fact is that there was no EU when this was made.

    • @zeddeka
      @zeddeka Před 4 lety

      Oh really? And what would that be?

    • @zeddeka
      @zeddeka Před 4 lety +2

      The coal mining industry had been in massive decline long before we went anywhere near joining the common market. Stop spreading your xenophobia

    • @Lytton333
      @Lytton333 Před 3 lety +1

      @@zeddeka Stop equating a dislike of a dysfunctionally arrogant bureaucratic behemoth with a dislike of foreigners. A large body of those foreigners we aren't supposed to like don't like the EU either.
      Do give your brain a chance..

    • @zeddeka
      @zeddeka Před 3 lety

      @@Lytton333 stop pretending that an industry with a finite product which had been in decline for well over a century had anything in the slightest to do with the EU. Pit closures had been happening since at least the 1800s. You lot are weird. Or probably bots.

  • @anthonydeary874
    @anthonydeary874 Před 5 lety +6

    A mile deep seam of coal stretching from the Bay of Bisquay...comes up in Wales...then 3000 miles across the Atlantic...to Pensilvania USA! Perhaps the Tories wanted to sell it privately? Mr Archer made lots of money whilst in prison,selling Information on insolvent businesses in the UK.That,s why I have a slanted view of Yuppie Tories

    • @zeddeka
      @zeddeka Před 4 lety +2

      How expensive would it be to get out? Come on mate. Get real.

    • @mitchamcommonfair9543
      @mitchamcommonfair9543 Před rokem +2

      Nah, that's an Internet myth. There is no seam that goes that far.

  • @CARLIN4737
    @CARLIN4737 Před 5 lety +4

    Broke all the union's steel, coal and print. No problem.😉 Tory boy.

  • @jonsimmons4150
    @jonsimmons4150 Před 2 lety

    42 fkin years .
    Whats changed?

  • @GeeTheBuilder
    @GeeTheBuilder Před 5 lety +14

    Stupid miners. They couldn’t see the real enemy was Scargill.

    • @johnmilligan6605
      @johnmilligan6605 Před 4 lety +2

      Macgreagor was brought un to close almost every pit in uk scargil knew this and had no choice it had nothing to do with economics and many aspects of a civilised society are un economic at the end of the day the uk is not a private buisness but a society it would have made no difference who was miners president maggy wished to turn the country into a corporate going concern with winners and loosers and the miners and many other people with little or no power lost

    • @bazrobb6242
      @bazrobb6242 Před 4 lety +1

      Fuck off scab.

    • @GeeTheBuilder
      @GeeTheBuilder Před 3 lety +1

      @@bazrobb6242 😘

    • @andrewh5457
      @andrewh5457 Před 3 lety

      @@bazrobb6242 another democracy denier.

  • @davids8449
    @davids8449 Před 3 lety +6

    The beginning of the end of Britain

    • @zeddeka
      @zeddeka Před 3 lety +1

      ???? Britain has been in decline long, long before then

  • @CARLIN4737
    @CARLIN4737 Před 5 lety +4

    Yeah she never new what was coming alright! Election win. Election win after election campaign victorious two finger salutes.😉

  • @illegalsmirf
    @illegalsmirf Před 3 lety +3

    They stood up to fight, only to be rendered jobless for decades lol

  • @crozwayne
    @crozwayne Před 4 lety +2

    best thing ever, shut the horrendous pits and get rid of the stinking coal, im so happy this industry died!

    • @garethbuckeridge6910
      @garethbuckeridge6910 Před 3 lety +3

      But sadly real communities in the Midlands, the North & Wales died with it and weren't replaced with anything tangible. These are the people that voted for Brexit in 2016 because they were still on the scrap heap and then for Boris in 2019, turning a former red wave blue. Amazing how people object when you want to build a wind farm in their back garden.

    • @nifralo2752
      @nifralo2752 Před 3 lety +4

      @@garethbuckeridge6910 well if there are no jobs in town move to another one. There are prople unemplyed in the Czech Republic learning English so they can go find jobs in Canada. If they can do that people here can move from village A to village B.

    • @garethbuckeridge6910
      @garethbuckeridge6910 Před 3 lety +4

      @@nifralo2752 Easy for young single people to do that, did myself several times in my 20s. Not so easy when you have a family because you need greater stability in your life, and routine if you have children.

    • @MrDanielfff777
      @MrDanielfff777 Před 3 lety +2

      @@nifralo2752 Great point!

  • @willandelfie
    @willandelfie Před 3 lety +2

    Gormley sold the miners out, he turned government spy then the Tories made him a lord

    • @Mark-vq5dz
      @Mark-vq5dz Před 3 lety +8

      Well he didn't lose a strike, and he didn't succeed in dividing the workforce unlike his successor, a man who wouldn't come out on strike when a Welsh or Scottish pit was shut...a man who sued the NUM over his Barbican flat, I mean what sort of 'socialist' is that?

    • @chrisp4170
      @chrisp4170 Před 2 lety +6

      Gormley fought for the miners unlike Scargill who fought for himself

    • @willandelfie
      @willandelfie Před 2 lety

      Gormley divided the miners over productivity pay, he let individual areas vote for places like Nottingham it was easy to cut more coal as they had easy access to where they could put big machinery, but in places like South Wales the geology was harder, the coal was a better quality ,but they the could never hit the tonnage they worked harder to get the coal out but earned less, he was advising the Goverment how to defeat the miners a so called socalist he betrayed his own people then had a knighthood

    • @chrisp4170
      @chrisp4170 Před 2 lety +2

      @@willandelfie Think you are inventing your own version of the truth…

    • @willandelfie
      @willandelfie Před 2 lety

      @@chrisp4170 Nope its fact

  • @fmgizmo
    @fmgizmo Před 4 lety +2

    Gormley sold the miners out and then he was made Lord Gormley shame on him

    • @andrewh5457
      @andrewh5457 Před 3 lety +3

      While scargill duped the miners in to a strike, in the summer, with coal stocks and record levels and without a ballot, and the present leader of the socialist party is a Sir.

  • @vickyclarke1982
    @vickyclarke1982 Před 4 lety +2

    There hair styles are awful

  • @hjyigo4759
    @hjyigo4759 Před 5 lety +1

    The interviewer is Bryan Gould, former and future Labour MP

    • @harmlessdrudge
      @harmlessdrudge Před 5 lety +4

      It's Llew Gardner.

    • @zeddeka
      @zeddeka Před 4 lety

      No it's not.

    • @nemo7550
      @nemo7550 Před 2 lety

      @@zeddeka The interviewer in the studio with Ezra and Gormley is definitely not Bryan Gould

  • @CARLIN4737
    @CARLIN4737 Před 5 lety +3

    Broke all the union's steel, coal and print. No problem.😉 Tory boy.