Tesla Charging Basics | Should You Keep Your Car Plugged In All The Time?
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- čas přidán 10. 06. 2024
- In this video I discuss some basic Tesla charging tips. The best way I have found to make the most of your Tesla ownership experience is to keep your Tesla Charged in at all times. I own a 2023 Tesla Model Y Long Range and a 2015 Tesla Model S P85D and this is how I charge both of my cars at home. If you have the ability to charge at home, invest in a 240v home charger that will give your car adequate range. Thanks for watching please like and subscribe, and feel free to leave your comments!
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U wanted to ask why did you choose to go for MYLR vs MYP for the supercharging transfer? i am also doing same but opting for performance since i believe that will run longer for long run because it has better battery and performance? I would love your opinion
I schedule my charging during off peak hours, saves me alot of money
That's smart!
great info much appreciated
Thank you kind sir!
Helpful information. Your cars and garage are clean enough for surgery. I don't have a garage and have a Tesla charger mounted on the side of our house. Haven't been to a gas station since we owned our Y. Drove in our first Connecticut snowstorm with icy slushy roads. Our Tesla handled it better than our Honda CRV. Plus the Y is fun to drive. Thanks Myks.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Such a good video! Bookmarked it for FB Tesla group people who wonder about charging their car. You made the case for "always charging".
I'm glad you liked this!! Thanks for watching!
best Tesla videos.5:16 Coolest dude on CZcams. Thank You Myk. We all appreciate you and your videos brother
Thanks for your kind words!!
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Great charging breakdown. What’s your monthly electricity bill?
It ranges between $120-250/month. I do have some solar that offsets the cost
@@Myksgaragethat’s way too expensive, you should charge at service center it’s free
@@jas.y666it’s free ?
I keep mine charged at the recommended 80%. But, the real world driving range I get from the car bothers me. I have the MYLR, charge it to 263 miles, drive few miles, park it and wake up with about 190 miles. O go to the office and the battery is already drained down to below 100 mile range, at which point I charge immediately each time cause I can't trust that range especially when it's cold.
My brother and I did a trip together where I drove my MYLR and he drove the ICE car filled up. Both car had an estimated 329 mile range. He get home with half a tank remaining and I had to recharge at 59 miles left. So we definitely need to improve in this area.
Yeah thanks for sharing your experience
You probably have sentry mode on constantly or other standby features turn those off you may have been experiencing
I just got my Tesla MYP and I noticed the same thing.
What is the appropriate amps for daily charging in level 2
It really just depends on how quickly you want to charge. I do mine at 32amps and that's plenty for overnight charging
Weird question . How’s your cord so smooth. Mine is not and I could never wrap it around the wall connector smoothly . Is it because of the high voltage ?
It seems like it has to be wrapped a certain way to be smooth
Why do you have two teslas and your garage is crazy clean nice job.
Well thank you, it's quite the chore to keep it clean!!
The garage is clean BECAUSE he drives Teslas.
Please look it up for yourself, but as I recall, the NEC standard for derating to 80% for continuous load is for wire size also. 6awg THHN is rated at 55amps but derated to 44amps per the 80% contious load rule. 4awg THHN 75amp derated to 60amp. Both wires can use a 60amp breaker according to the NEC, however the 6awg on a 60amp break could be out of spec depending on charger settings. Again, please dont take my word as rule, but do remember to check wire size.
Also note, my numbers are from memory, but they are for THHN in conduit. Romex would be even less in terms of current ratings.
Good warning, thanks
@myksgarage If you set your charging on a certain time say for example at 12:00 am, so even if you keep it plugged the whole day it won't charge to keep your set battery percentage until the set time isn't it?
That is correct!
With our LR Model Y when I set it to charge to 100% and be ready the next morning at 8:00, I have found that it starts charging immediately and gets to 100% sometime in the middle of the night which is not what I want to do. Someone else has complained about this. Is there something we’re missing? My old model 3 seemed to do just fine with the setting to charge and be ready in the morning for the trip.
I'll try it and see what mine does
@@Myksgarage thanks
I opted out of the Tesla wall connector for my model 3 highland, because I needed a fairly long cable. I've installed a 3rd party charger. Will I still be able to do everything you've mentioned in this video via the Tesla app e.g. stop charging at 80%?
How long of a cable do you need?
It's a 15m cable
Your Tesla won't care if it is plugged into a 3rd party evse. You'll be able set any charging settings you want via the touchscreen.
Is there any reason you should charge at lower amp? I have 60amp breaker and my wall connector can charge upto 48 amp, is there any benefits to charge at lower pace?
I do only for the the reason of having three cars charging at the same time and not wanting to overload my electrical panel. But otherwise it doesn’t affect the car at a higher or lower amperage.
what about the suggestions that say it should be always hovering closer to 50 as much as possible instead of 80? is there a long term difference between the two options?
Lithium ion batteries like to be between 20-85%
@@Myksgarage so from your video you try to keep it at around 80 plugged in. how does it compare if keeping it around 50 instead of
@@alextechtai not much difference between 50 or 80. 50 would be slightly better. If all you need is 70%, then do 70. You don't really want to do 50 because if you have to use your car a lot one day you dont want to run it too low. Try not to go below 20% if you can help it. Keeping your car between 30% - 70% everyday would be ideal. Once a year charge it all the way to 100%. It conditions the battery. But use it immediately after it gets to 100%. You do not want it to hold charge at 100% for a long time.
I set mine to a charge limit of 50% as my daily round trip commute is less than 20 miles.
I was told that i needed to drain to 20 and charge to 100 several times to prime/help max the battery. Is that something you've heard of?
I've heard of it, it seems like that will just naturally happen as you use it for longer trips
This is actually *mostly* a myth - but not entirely.
There are 2 things that dropping the charge and raising it can be argued to do. The first one - which is true for EVs - is that it helps give your car a better calibration of the health of the battery pack. Seeing the battery pack at it's lowest voltage and highest voltage gives the car a good sense of the total battery capacity. It can be useful to do this once every year or so to help the software calibrate to the battery degradation over time. It has no actual impact on the battery health or your range, it just helps the software know what's going on (and therefore give you a more accurate reading of how much battery is remaining).
The second thing that is true for some batteries, but generally NOT for EV batteries, is a phenomenon called "battery memory" or the "memory effect."
The simple explanation is, if you consistently use a battery at the same charge states over and over again, the battery will actually wear faster and lose capacity - the battery will not be able to perform as well outside of the charge range it has been used at consistently, essentially, the battery "remembers" how it is used and doesn't want to be used any other way (hence the name, "memory effect").
For example, if you charge a battery to 80%, and drain it to 40%, and you always keep it in this range for a year or more, certain batteries will develop a memory for this range and will not want to discharge past 40% or be charged higher than 80%. Their max capacity will become limited, and the battery will tend to die quickly below 40%.
Memory effect is not applicable to most lithium ion cells. NMC, NCA, and LCO do not show signs of memory effect.
LFP batteries can show signs of memory effect, but generally only in lower quality LFP batteries. Higher quality batteries - like those used in EVs - don't tend to show a memory effect.
So doing a deep discharge and then filling the battery isn't really needed for battery health in EVs. It can help with your software calibration so you get a more accurate reading of the battery's level when you're driving, but this is purely a convenience factor and it has no impact on the health or longevity of the battery.
What do you suggest during storms such as lightning strikes?
Maybe unplug the car
I would go outside with the charger in one hand and hold a long metal rod in the other. hold the rod up into the air as high as you can.
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Since you now have free supercharging on the Model Y are you using that more than home power? Why or why not?
The nearest supercharger is like 25 miles away from me, so I'll use superchargers when I'm close to them, but that's not too often
There is nothing more convenient than charging at home, overnight, while you sleep.
Since when do you get free super charging on a model Y, what's years
@@gregpelfrey5303 I received 5000 free supercharging miles when I bought my '24 Model Y. Even free, I'll do most of my charging at home because it is way more convenient.
I don’t always plug in, if I get to 80 I just disconnect it. No point in keeping it topped up if I’m not going anywhere
Yeah
Im confused. What year is ur model 3? I thought model 3 ‘23 has the LFP batteries and that you can charge them to 100% with no issues. Thanks for the reply.
Mine is a 2023 model Y long range. I don't own a model three
@@Myksgarage do these two cars have different kind of batteries?
For LFP, it is recommended to charge to 100% once a week to recalibrate.... I have an LFP and have been charging up to 80% and then 100% once a week.
@@wookie3494i wonder what would happen with the batter if i charge it to 100% twice a week?
@@RuddyVivanco to be honest, I don't think you're doing any significant damage to the longevity of your battery. As we know when we charge the last 10% of the LFP, it takes a while. This is b/c I is recalibrating the battery. Your charging schedule depends of course on how many miles you use per day. I try to stick to 80% per week and 100% once in that week.
What do people do that live in an apartment complex? How can they charge? Does this mean electric cars are still not ready for every every day use???
They charge at a charging station nearby… or charge at their workplace if they have chargers there.
It doesn't make it as convenient if you have to regularly use public charging stations, and have to pay higher electricity prices. I would discourage someone who can't charge at home from buying an electric car right now
Electric cars are ready for daily use, what’s not there is antiquated policy that prevents you from using existing infrastructure to plug in in your apartment. It’s not expensive or difficult logistically to install a power outlet, but most apartments or condos have draconian bureaucracy that drives up the cost and time, sometimes even preventing you from doing it at all.
I used to plug in to a normal 120v power outlet when I lived in an apartment and had an arrangement with the building to do so. It was more than enough for us.
@@mtldax why don’t people allow that what is the holdup?
If you always charge your Tesla with mobile connector , which of course is very slow and frustrating, does it affect the battery life ??
The slower you charge, the better it is for your battery.
Hence why always super charging is not good for the battery
Yeah I've heard that
Well you can get a Nema 14-50 240v outlet installed and the appropriate adapter for the mobile connector and then it can charge at 32amps which will give you around 25miles of range per hour of charging
My understanding is 240V (slow charging overnight-one cycle by adjusting amps to be completed for when you plan to use it next, is best. Start charge at roughly 40%, charge to 80% (lithium, not LFP’s).
If you can charge slower, like 10amps great. But do use 240V power over 115-120v as it’s more efficient as well adjustable to timing next trip.
Each charge is a cycle, guessing this will extend the life over many more short charges 🤔
@@Myksgarage Just to clarify, the mobile charger can also go up to 40 amps. I use a 3rd generation nema 14-50 240v mobile charger and it will let me charge at up to 40 amps.
The 2nd generation mobile charger (which came standard with the model 3 back in 2018) only goes up to 32a because the socket adapter can be swapped (and so there's an additional connection within the mobile charger). But the 3rd generation is a single wired connection and will charge at up to 40a.
I have both, I use the 3rd gen as my regular day to day charger, and I keep the 2nd gen with all it's adapters in the car so if I go anywhere I have a charger that will work with almost any outlet with me.
Because I live in a condo on Maui and don’t have a home charging system and also there are no super chargers on Maui. So is it the proper time to own a Tesla?
It might be tough, is there any other public charging available in your area? If you're not sure download the "plug share" app and it will show all charging available in your area
Although there aren't any Tesla Superchargers on Maui, it looks like the electric company does provide DC Fast Chargers on the Island. They will have a CCS connector, however you can purchase a CCS to NACS connector for around $150 from reputable companies like A2Z and Lectron. With an adaptor you could fast charge a Tesla on the Island as long as it has CCS charging turned on. You would need to check that in your Tesla's settings. If it's a newer model, chances are you would have CCS charging capability, but always double-check before you purchase, just in case.
Do you have 200A service to your house?
No, 150
@@Myksgarage Unfortunately I have 100A and the electrician wants $7500 to go to 200A. So I'm going to use 30A dryer port which means 24A charging, which as you said should be plenty. Thanks for the info!
Good basic charging video with one exception. A newbie watching this is led to believe that 80% charging limit is appropriate for ALL Teslas. It would have been nice if you had included a 60 second caveat relating to the 2023 LFP battery that needs a 100% charging limit.
Yeah I should have included that
Thanks that helps me for my LFP. Much appreciated
I think 100% at least once a week for LFP version. I have BYD MY, im just doing the 80% for my daily and charge 100% once a week.
I’m charging my LFP to 100% every time.
It’s NOT good to charge ANY Lithium battery to 100% every time, even LFP. The only reason Tesla needs you charge to 100% weekly is to calibrate the charge % because LFP battery voltage does vary enough when discharging to know the state of charge. Yes, LFP can tolerate a higher state of charge (SOC) better than non-LFP, BUT you absolutely will degrade your battery’s lifespan significantly sooner if you always charge to 100%. The least stress SOC is 50% and heat is the enemy. So, EVEN with LFP you’ll maximize your battery’s lifespan by keeping charge between 30-70% and slow charging at home. If your commute is short, you could even stay between 40%-60% with even just 120v charging. Only slow charge to 100% the night before the day you commute the most. You want to get that pressure of holding 100% charge off the battery ASAP. NEVER supercharge to 100%
I think it's not a good idea to charge after every trip you make . It would be ideal to charge when it's reaches close to 20-30% charging state
Tesla encourages this type of charging
@@Myksgarage ok I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing this info
I wish there was other level 2 charging options. No garage and electric box is in back of home. Quoted $8-9k to do all this from 2 separate companies.
So they have to run wire underground?
There are devices made to plug into dryer outlets and share 240 volt. Limit would be 24 Amp , but that’s enough to charge up to 80% overnight. A good idea if you rent or want to avoid electrician charges.
@@brianrautiainen5473 my dryer is on the second floor not a possibility unfortunately
Mine has LFP battery so I charge to 100% every time
That's nice to be able To do that!
M3 or MY with the LFP battery?
both@@EeveeLO6
I have LFP as well however, Not sure if its too healthy to charge 100% everytime. I've been charging up to 80% daily and 100% once a week within that given week just for the recalibration
I always charge my model y to 90% because Tesla set that limit as default
That should be just fine
Tesla now defaults to 80%. I would do 80% unless you need the 90%.
One of the biggest gimmicks with most Teslas is the range.
1. You don’t get the exact range advertised. It’s usually off by 10, 20 miles.
2. They advise not to use it below 20% or charge above 80%. Meaning the effective range that you get is 60%.
So, imagine you buy a Tesla with 274miles. Assuming what you get is 264miles. 80% of that is 211miles and 20% is 53%. Effectively, what you get is 158miles. This is absurd! A Toyota Camry can give you over 400miles, with no limitation to how much of your tank you can fill or how low you can deplete your gas. It even gets worse if you don’t have a home charging setup. Your mental health would be in jeopardy because of the anxiety of range and charging.
Let’s not mention how long it takes at a supercharging station compared to a gas station.
That was my biggest surprise when I bought my first Tesla 4 years ago. That why i always recommend going with the longest range battery
I charge every 3 days to 80% on my MYP, no difference. Tesla doesn't really clearly say why keeping it plugged is beneficial! So no point right?
Whatever works for your needs
Need hybrids that are all electric drive for torque, gas generator for reliable power supply, no battery = no battery issues or reliance on China.
Yeah that's a good idea
A model s and 3, always on 80%? Must be nice @.@
Yeah I keep them all charged up around 80%
People!!! You must decharge your battery frequently, if not it will damage your battery. Don't keep your battery full to 100% , all the time.
Good tip!
I had a friend's house who burnt down be careful charging in the garage
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$hit what it is. All I have to do is pump and go. It's way faster than charging and cheaper than paying $10,000 - $20,000 repairs on piles of crap. Oil Changes every 6 months I do myself, Spark plugs not very often, and to fill up my vehicle $50-60 not bad for a V6 and offroad capabilities something Tesla's can't.
Were you coming up with $10-20k in repairs?
It’s also nice waking up daily to a full charge and never having to make trips to a gas station…ever.
Also, Gas stations expose you to fires, chemicals, robberies, shootings and spending lots of money.
Leaving your Tesla plugged in inside your garage risks burning down your house as h is occurring more frequently with EVs using lithium ion batteries as the batteries age. The temperature from such a fire can melt steel as it did recently at Luton Airport destroying a £20 million new multi story car park . Tesla and similar battery packs pose a similar risk. This problem will only be solved with a switch to sodium ion or solid state batteries but there are already 3m EVs with Lithium ion batteries in the US and 9 million in Europe so the risks are real with insurance companies now refusing insurance or very high premiums and car parks banning them.
Interesting
Yep and more people die from bee stings every year. Yes this is an issue but so is flying. These are extreme events like those short wheel base 4x4s from the 80s. Yep they flip but don’t do stupid things. RVs and 18 wheelers are seen burning on the side of the road from fire just as much as any gas vehicles. These are new so yes they get the attention. Next time we have another nuclear accident let’s shut all of those down. Or when a petro plant catches fire we should all go back to a horse and buggy.
@@Myksgarageno it isn’t. It just another extreme being seen that way for a new technology. The old ones still burn also.
You took 10 minutes to say what could've been said in a 90 second video
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