How Many Wishlists Do I Get? (Steam Stats Reveal).
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- I Reveal How My YT Devlogs Influence My Game's Steam Wishlists.
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Very insightful, thanks for sharing! I've also found that an increase in wishlists always corresponds with an increase in deletes.
Hey Kyle! I saw a post about your game and it's recent tiktok adventures! Well done man, its looking fabulous 👌 👏
@@LostRelicGames oh thanks so much John! Likewise I've been following your journey for some time and can't wait to play the game
I did zero marketing for my game and it has already exceeded expectations. I think a good storefront and transparency during development helped me a lot.
Where did you interact with people?
@@dam_ly On Twitter. I used my social media account as a form of dev log.
Would u be willing to share any stats?
It's still not very advisable not to do zero marketing.
@@CountOfWoodlands I'm not expecting to be a millionaire.
Congrats on all the wishlist! Your channel is pure GOLD and you deserve every wishlist. Really cool correlation between wishlist and devlogs. The strategy I got from this video is to make as many devlogs as possible.
Whoa, that was really cool to see. Thanks so much for sharing! I have a great love of data and statistics around this stuff, and I've never seen anyone else show a devlog to wishlists correlation
Thanks as always for being so openly honesty with us and revealing whats behind the curtain. Really helps all of us when we get to learn this kind of information.
As always these videos help a ton. I recently got partnered with steam and it’s definitely a process…Can’t wait till the process of setting everything up is complete. This will definitely help me 💯 thank you 😏
Those are some amazing results, great job! Well deserved too.
Impressed, liked, shared, wishlisted :) . Can´t wait for your game, thank you for sharing everything with us . It feels like the prestart of Valheim, you are on a very good way.
This is so insightful and helpful for my journey up ahead. Thank you so much for the video
This is an awesome insight of how the wishlist works. I really like it when devs share this kind of data and it is very valuable. I also thank you for sharing it. It helps a lot to understand what to expect and what it considered a positive direction. Best of luck in your game release and Keep it up! :)
Thanks for sharing. Your videos are filled with valuable insights! I admire you for finding time for vloging while actively working on the game. Keep it up!
I think deletion are just people cleaning up their wishlists. I have a personal rule to always keep my wishlist below about a hundred games, for example. So if I put a game in my wishlist and I look through it months later and find that I don't don't feel strongly about a game anymore then I'll delete it.
I agree, There could also be a connection to that end of year / new year period, people have bought a lot of games from sales, and just mentally in a refresh/clean up phase
@@LostRelicGames You can possibly see your deletion go up at every steam sales.
I remember when I had that rule. Now it's to keep it below 200 games....
100 wish lists? 200!? But there's no way you're going to buy all those games! That's thousands of dollars! On Indie games?
I have One Game wish listed on Steam. One Single Game: Blood and Meade. That's it. If it's published while we're young (if I can be forgiven for saying that!), it'll be the 2nd game I've ever bought off of Steam. And the other one is a AAA game that has gone out of support except for Steam/Valve.
I've played a lot of AAA games over the years, but I don't play Indie games, as a rule, except for free phone games or free web games. I guess I have to admit that a long standing friend once said to me "You are the most oddly frugal man I've ever met!" And I've never ever purchased any in game content with real money. Never. People who know that I'm into game dev have occasionally gifted me with Humble Bundles. So, maybe I'm not quite exactly typical. But Still! 100 wish lists is beyond insane!
Wish listing for me is a way of listing games that may be interesting to me at the time, usually in hope of picking them up on sale later. It's rarely something I'm super stoked on and must have, it's really just based on intrigue. I might like a game but be unwilling to pay the price and may just wait for the value to drop, if it ever does, and if it doesn't there are 1000s of other games to play. But what I'm looking for can change wildly over time; I went on a survival game binge earlier this year but now my interest isn't there, it's now pixel art platformers.
in an ideal world I'd buy everything that I find worthy to support the developers but my funding is simply not there.
Is there something like a steam algorithm which helps interesting games get seen in the event that they have been wish listed? Because in my case there is little to no chance I'll ever buy any game at the moment it is released.
I wish listed it just now, looking good. I think you should make the caves more majestic too. Instead of a boring grey wall imagine if you could see majestic caverns expanding into the distance with stalactites and stalagmites and you could see giant bats hanging from the ceiling and they drop off and fly from the background into your plane and attack!
Make everything more majestic! How about the tavern? Maybe there’s a roaring fire in a huge ornamental hearth with rowdy merrymakers in the background drinking and singing…more majesty! 😂
Hello John..
Great insight. Thanks for this.
Excellent video as usual John! I appreciate the insight.
Currently setting up my Steam Page right now to gain early wishlists from devlog videos. Thanks for the insights. 😊
TL;DW - "YES" 7:16 😉
Seriously, though - this kind of deep dive is really great to see. Appreciate you, John!
Another great informative and interesting video.
Thankfully you haven't cost me any money this time (those books are great BTW and I'm still reading)
I'm sure the game will do well at launch and also post launch.
Appreciate you sharing the journey which is probably unique to everyone depending on their background etc etc.
Great work ;-)
You got this John! I can't wait to play your game and it isn't coming off my wishlist!
First of all, thank you for sharing these data. It definitely adds up to other sources and my own experience.
And yeah, my suspicion about CZcams devlogs efficiency is similar. Unless you put a lot of time and effort into it, it has barely any effect on the game success. And you would be maybe better of putting that into other marketing effort, or even the game itself. Of course if you are not time limited, then sure 3 years of devlogs will amount to something (granted they are of decent quality at least).
i don't think his game is what made his channel grows but rather the the content he provides
and that why i'm here and i don't like the game he is making it's not my type and will never buy it unless for supporting him and as a thank you for the content he made here on YT. and not anyone could do that tbh. I myself cant do it as i'm just an ignorant and have nothing to provide sadly and would take me years to learn and i'd be late anyway.
this is one of the reasons i make Text Devlogs instead of Video Devlogs. the main reasons are:
• they're much easier to make since i have to worry only about the content and not about the presentation
• the readers can read them at their own pace (to an extent that not even the "Playback Speed" feature allows for videos)
• the readers can use "Search in Page" to look up a specific part of the devlog
this makes me think that Text is just a better format for Devlogs than videos. even if i need video to show something, i find it much better to insert short videos into the text when necessary instead of making the entire devlog as a video.
I believe the tradition of Video Devlogs was started by the Movie Industry, with their "Behind the Scenes" videos on DVDs. The first game developers who got inspired by this made Video Devlogs instead of Text Devlogs, and now the Video Devlogs inspire other developers to make Video Devlogs instead of Text Devlogs, too.
Maybe this is just me, as i like to making Information Devlogs more than making Entertainment Devlogs, and because Text is generally better for information while Video is generally better for entertainment.
Loving all your videos!! Just wishlisted your game too. I'm not really a sidescroller-kinda guy, but I'm excited to give yours a shot!
Thank you for sharing this. Really good information 👍
I really like these informative videos, they're really interesting and educative
Hi,
I think people delete because they use wish list to mark a game to check it latter. After checking, if it's not their style, the delete... My opinion and total speculation!
you are right that's one of the reasons they saw what the game is and it's not something they like so they delete it.
Nice video. Great to see how your wishlists are going and how they relate to your videos. I wonder how that relation differs between bigger/smaller channels.
I'm excited to stream this game and just vibe out with chat. Looking forward to this game and patiently waiting 0.0
I have one game on my wishlist and I can't wait to play your game :)
Thanks, the solo dev journey is a brutal one, I appreciate the encouragement 🙏
Hey! I love your videos and watch every one that I can. Could you make a video sharing your story of progress on CZcams so far? I would love to start a regular devlog to increase my fanbase and I'm interested in what you did to grow your audience and how long it took you. Thanks!!
Thanks for thid vid!
I can't release good devlogs xD
I just want to play your game because the new art looks awesome, and its inspired by Mario. You've done good game design, and inspired countless others.
Thanks man, I appreciate your comment
Thanks
The difference is that once youve built up your channel its worth a lot more than flash in the pan GIFs that might help a bit but will be forgotten forever after
Very insightful. I just looked up the “average” wishlist conversion rate and that’s 1.8% within the first week. So if 100% of your wishlists came from CZcams you would get 14.4 sales per 100,000 views. This isn’t including how ever many people buy the game with out wish listing or any other factors like being on the new and trending so take that with a grain of salt
How does the high effort/low yield content affect your game production cycle? I found your game thru your devlogs and even wish listed it. But it was your examination of crowd funding video advice that made me aware of your channel and by extension your game.
My wishlist is a disaster and it gets culled around steam sale time. I have your game on it. I just add stuff that I like the look of, then forget that it's on there.
The magnitude of timing cannot be understated. Like game release timings where an indie launches on the same day or release period as a AAA game. Great songs have missed out on the #1 spot because they released at the same time as a novelty record. Joe Dolce kept Ultravox off the top spot in the UK after all.
I hope you found the information interesting and useful!
wishlist my game: www.bloodandmead.com/steam
Join the discord community: discord.gg/yeTuU53
Keep in mind tho, your purpose is not just to get those devlogs up and gain more wishlists but to deliver an actual game at some point.
From player perspective, I think a dev can only put so much content before they must release the product that they promise to deliver. CZcams viewers might not care but those who genuinely want to play the game can get disappointed if the wait is too long.
As indie developers, especially the solo variety, we have enough to contend with; that we should feel pressured by an impatient audience minority. For me, with my schedule and life obligations, to even get this game done is a feat. People can wait, there are plenty of other games to play.
As a budding Dev myself, I hope you succeed
Cheers Andrew 🍻
The number I've calculated so for, for CZcams view -> Sale conversion, is 0.000037. This is based on personal experiences, for a higher ticket product, so it won't be the same number for everyone. But it could give a good starting point, on what to expect.
no you should get back to finishing the game bruh. lol
cant wait. reminds me of the old school DOS game i played long ago, "Lost Vikings" i think it's called
Lost vikings was great fun, dos era overall was fantastic
Aye I wishlisted during that time
Yeah. Running a CZcams channel is a royal pain in the arse. I had one years ago which went nowhere and just ditched it. I'm very reluctant to start a CZcams again. If I can avoid it I will.
I actually had a lot more success.with streaming back in the Mixer days but they shut down 🤣. I think being part of events etc is probably good for games but I doubt it's enough.
Just wondered I believe u work in unity but do you know much about unreal engines? Reason I ask is ages ago nightdive studios doing system shock remake did a lot of stuff in unity and it was great but they scrapped it and started again on unreal engine and just wondered why a developer would do that , cheers
Can you make a video of how you can wishlist my Games like for example I make a game and I don't know how for pepile to wishlist my game so can you help me
I dont know were you heard that is not good to share wl amount before release but I dont think it matters. I estimate you have between 4k-8k wls since your game got 900 followers
I would easily buy this game on release if there will be an online coop mode. :-)
What is a good click-thru rate for a game?
Are these particular video views organic or boosted from any outside social media? I just thought that may be an important factor for expectations compared to the wishlist rate. And if the video was boosted, how much money would likely be made verses how much was spent? If it is organic views I would think this may be a good experiment for those who are considering how much they should spent verses how many wishlists or even how many followers they might expect and what are some of the things a developer should do prior to purchasing or financially investing in their game.
Also what kind of video and thumbnail drove the most and least wishlists might be good data for devs as well.
These views are primarily driven by CZcams. I typically do a courtesy post to my community on twitter and discord too, low traction posts, no boosting.
I'd like to hope that wishlists gained from YT videos are good quality but honestly I think you have to be careful about how you ask for wishlists... If you say "if you like what you see, consider wishlisting my game" that's a lot better than "support me by wishlisting my game". One is allowing the follower to wishlist on their own accord... the other is like you're asking them for a favor and they are just being helpful. As a note, in your pinned comment on this video you put "Support my work with a wishlist". This is a good example of what I think you shouldn't be doing. By saying "support my work" you're going to get people wishlisting your game with zero intention of buying it, because they think wishlisting alone is actually supporting you.
I totally understand this, and it's why I focused on devlogs as the primary context of the video. Good observation 👍
I'm struggling to get over 30 wishlists on my game algorithms hate me :(
Thanks for sharing, but I think you're right. Unless you take the time to really put out quality content every week on your YT channel, it's not the best input/output ratio. Gifs and the like are probably the better way to go. Then again, maybe not because those are equally difficult to gain attention.
How the hell you guys got so many views on YT :D I cant go more than few hundreds
Why don't you make 3d games like bright memory???
For how long is it in development and when do you plan to release it?
Sir.
Your game will be a success.
But only if you PUBLISH IT!
;-)
At Some Point, you have to SHOOT THE ENGINEER, and JUST PUT IT OUT THERE!
What parts of Blood and Mead are really still in such a state that they cannot be published as they are?
How long before the people who have wish listed your game get tired of waiting around and move on to other genre's entirely?
I mean, if kids grow into adults over the time period that you're working on it, are their interests even still the same at that point?
Just sayin'!
You will still have a successful dev log after Blood and Meade is published -
In fact, you'll have a better one.
The game is still in development, nothing more to say. If people drop off, then they drop off. Unfortunately I don't have a magic "finish game button".
@@LostRelicGames Nothing more to say? Can you give us a feel for how far you've come and how far you have to go? Regardless, I appreciate you and your contributions to the indie game dev community quite a lot, so. You have my continued support.
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Beat me to it.