Fire On The Dyno!! - Pontiac 455 Lights Up
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When it's your job to push high performance engines to the limit, once in a while things can get a little too hot.
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True to life honesty. Other engine builders would be too embarrassed to show this problem. The man has my respect.
Other engine builders would have stoped and shut the dyno off seeing that much smoke out of nowhere...
Except no professional builder would continue the pull with oil pouring out either. Unacceptable.
@@tahcogunworks Have to agree. Wonder if being on camera had an influence??
He needs to have a Co2 fire extinguisher on hand. He was smart not to use the dry-chemical, but should have a Co2 on hand for this exact reason.
@@Mr_Meowingtons if you've worked on engines you know a little bit of oil on exhaust system smokes like crazy. Just exhausted probably hot the entire time Nick probably didn't concern himself with having oil clean off of it.
my 455 ran 560 HP and 588 lbs of torque on a dyno. They are hearty monsters!
Back in 05 I had a 428 pontiac built with all new internals, comp hydraulic roller valve train. Edelbrock heads. Ran on pump gas. In a 65 gto I beat a new viper to 110 mph on the highway
First job out of high school in 73 was at a Pontiac dealer. Lots of SD trans ams brand new. Got to do the new car service on them. Sorry to all you folks who bought one that I tested. I was way too young to be turned loose with them.
That Pontiac is gonna fly with 580 lb\ft of torque on tap. 500 horsepower sounds great but torque is what's it's all about for a street driven car. Thanks for another great video Nick. You guy's are the best! Semper Fi!
I love how Nick did not panic just hauled ass and dealt with the problem 👍 old school guys rock!
You can tell that Nick is a world class mechanic. Fire in the Dyno Room, no problem. Relax everybody, Nick’s got this under control! Right back to testing and tuning. Major respect to Nick!
My father had one of these when I was a young boy. That is the engine sound that gets my motor running.
The Pontiac Super Duty 455 CID, even with the lower Compression was a monster especially if you had the stones to modify it. Back in the day, a pal had a brown T/A w/455 S.D. 4spd. He voided the warranty because of the mods. The new Radial Tune Suspension, made it a great GT. AWESOME, I had a 70 Buick GS 455 STAGE 1,4SPD, & Depending on launch &/or traction it was either him or I. For the most part 455inches from B.O.P. were strong & reliable. Imagine with today's technology.
Gr8 work as usual, Nick.
the 455 pontiac & its little-known older brother the 428 pontiac were beasts.
The top 428 in 1969 had the same h.p. as a 440 3x2. 390 hp
440 was under rated for h.p...430+ they say was the actual number ..440 4bbl was 410 hp..
Torque too on those was well over 500,as the non performance single exhaust non high performance 440 with 350 h.p holley 4bbl had 480 torque..
350 hp was in most C body cars ,they also had the high performance 440 in those cars as an option..So you guys who pulled the 440 out of a c body you thought it was the high performance model lol,it was still powerful and would roast the tires on a 4 door c body at a 20 mph roll,but not the h.p version most likely..Majority of people dont know this..
So really they made 3 versions of the 440 4bbl with a Holley !! 440 4bbl with a Carter,440 4bbl High Performance thats the Magnum etc..And the 440 6 barrel 3 holley 2bbl ...440 TNT,Magnum,Super Commando was 375@480 too lol,under rated..
The 428 was just a slightly destroked 455. You can put a 455 crank in one and convert it easily.
Nick I always use some Indian Head Gasket Shellac on Pontiac valve cover to keep those gaskets in place. I've had them move under power and dump oil in the past so I always glue it. I know it's a pain in the butt to remove that but I never have to worry about it that causing an engine fire. Thanks for showcasing a Poncho build!!
fel pro has rubber gaskets u cant overtighten them u dont need any sealer.
Pontiacs have no tabs on the gaskets or valve covers to locate them, just the 4 bolts. Nothing holds on the chrome valve covers. Rubber just compresses and slips out of place. You have to use the cork gaskets and glue them to the valve covers. I still use 3M Weatherstrip Adhesive for this, nothing else sticks to the chrome even after you scuff sand the gasket surface. I am trying out a set of the newest rubber w rigid steel core right now. So far so good.
Most kids don't realize just how rare Hemis were. I never saw one in the wild back in the day, just in magazines. Lots of 440's tons of 383's and BBC 396's. Rarely a BBC 427" a handful of crankshaft breaking 454's and a whole lot of Small Block everything's. Nick, I think you've got more Hemis in your shop than all of Phoenix in the 70's! We did get some Ford 427 tunnel port engines through our shop. All were stroked with 428 cranks to make 454 cu in Ford FE's. We built them for a local circle track racer. The cool thing was, out teacher built race motors on the side. We even had an Offenhauser go through the shop, and I helped install the Pistons on that engine. Historical stuff!
"Engine's smoking" "Push it harder"
Doesn’t mean something is wrong, it could be gasket’s seating or other parts breaking themselves in
His shop, means he's the boss
shomott but destroying a customers motor? To me that ain’t worth it (yes this contradict’s what I said before)
who the hell can give this a thumbs down?!?!?!?! BOOOOOOOO! Love Nick's Garage!
Can't wait to bring my engine to Nick's Garage this winter!!! Note to myself... don't forget a bucket of water!!!
I daily drive a 461 stroker pontiac with iron heads. Absolutely love it.
lol, I seen you post in other vids.
I can hear the cooling fans whirring from here, lol.
throttle bottle mechical clutch fan. I always seam to find random burst hoses on my roadtrips though and have to wait forever before pouring water in because I've boiled it all out. But when not leaking water it stays a happy 200 degrees...
adding a large electric blowing in or going electric fan only sounds like a good choice, of course if there's space and you don't mind the non factory look.
the bright side, your engine actually shuts off when that hot! there's not much worse sound than a gas engine dieseling out the rattle of death as spark plugs are melting! good old drag racing staging melt downs.
throttle bottle mine boils the fuel and dies yes.
1) gotta pay attention with valve cover gaskets, they can be a real pita.
2) why continue pull with all that smoke?
Fun day though!
@MAD GRUMPYMAN I had issues with cork gaskets, and changed to metal and composite, pricey but they torque down nice and even and not a drop of oil has left the insides of my new 302W
@Dave Micolichek I work with Ford and AMC. Never had an issue either as long as I don't over tighten or put too much bias on one . Slow, even pressure snug first then little tickle to seal.
Aside from the smoke skewing the numbers, who wants oil film in their carbs? I get it though; no one expected it to ignite, and you may as well finish what you started.
@Dave Micolichek read point 2 in the OP.
I will admit that my 2 square body Chevy trucks have leaking valve cover gaskets. I hear it because of the bolt pattern on them but I'm not sure. Think the Vortec valve covers are better because their bolts are along the center line of the valve covers. That's just my 2 cents worth.
455 Pontiac is one of the best engines ever made IMO
Its not the best but in the day if u wanted fast than u better build a Pontiac!
Thanks for getting back to me Nick anyways Montreal I here's a beautiful part of the country thanks for getting back to me and I am going to enjoy some of your CZcams channels tonight
Nearly 12 to 1, and only 94 octane? Must have timing high to stop detonation, old school set-up, especially duel 4 barrels. Keen!
I love old school cars but know nothing about them lol the exhaust breathing makes my day I respect any guy who puts time and love into their vehicle
That 455 Pontiac is on Fire ,,, in more ways than one ...!!!!!
As an old Pontiac guy ... I love the torque! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I've owned at least 6 Pontiac's in my time and I loved them all.
Love it that the young kid got to sit in the booth and get involved. awesome stuff!
Love see kids at the dyno keep old muscule alive
I'm a Mopar guy but Pontiac built some killing engines in it's day nothing like a Ram Air 4 400 or a 455 Super Duty
MoPar guy here too, and couldn't agree more....
glad to feel the love from the Mopar crowd. Pontiac power right here
Agreed as a Mopar guy those Pontiac's Old's and Buicks had some real hot engines especially those 455
Maybe you can help this Mopar guy, What do you think?
440 BLOCK Bored 0.60 over
Forged Crank
Hemi rods
Forged pistons 10.5 to1 compression
Comp cams Camshaft 268/280 duration, lift .477/.480, Flat tappet Xtreme
Edelbrock RPM Performer Heads with after market rocker arms, i believe 1.5
Edelbrock RPM Manifold
Edelbrock 750 Carb
1 inch 7/8ths Dougs Headers with 2.5 exhaust and Dougs Exhaust cutouts
Again i am wanting 500+ Hp and 525+ Torque, with this setup. Do you think i got it or very close?
Sorry to bother you again just wanted to give you some updated numbers.
If i didn't get near this would getting A hydraulic cam add say 50 to 70 hp and 70 Trq lbs ?
Or what would be better to do ? Without to much cost.
Thank you Nick and take care sir.
Thomas Tiritilli
You will need quite a bit more cam for 500hp with stock edelbrock heads, id recommend keeping it under 10-1 compression with that cam on 92-93 octane fuel.
That setup would produce close to 1hp per cid from my experience fwiw
Now keep your 10.5:1 and have your Edelbrock heads fully ported and use a hydraulic roller cam 286in 300ex advertised duration and 236in 244ex at .050 .632 lift 112lsa
108ilc
Port match the Intake to the heads
Holley ultra 850hp carb and you can make 525-550hp and about 535-550tq and easily daily drivable and run low to mid 11's in your choice of properly setup mopar muscle car.
Years ago my friend had a Pinto. It got rear ended & turned into a Firebird. It was the first Transformer. :)
It is awesome seeing 500 hp from an old iron block 455. See boys they dont all have to be ls motors.
chrisrhudy2000 And just think, since you cant adjust the valves in a LS, If Nick wanted to switch to 1.6 rockers on a LS, he would need .050 or .100 shorter pushrods to keep the rocker centered on the valve stem.
hehahha only narrow minded LS idiots thinkt hey are fast when the reality is bone for stock the pontiac leaves it in the dust! And for them to think 500hp is such a hard feat, i laugh at them for the stupidity they spew. ive got an iron headed 455 i am running also and its got double the axle snapping torque that any stock ls puts out
besides that wimpy pepsi can overheats one too many times and then its toast
Don't tell Chevy about this. They'll be putting 700 pound cast iron lumps in the ZR1. They're wasting their time with 400 pound engines that make 755 hp, idle down around town and get 25 mpg. Yeah these old pigs are the answer.
I respect them old Engines,but I'll keep my Ls
Nick, we all love your dyno videos without the fire drama. Please don't do that anymore. And please get a CO2 extinguisher. I lost my first shop to a fire back in '85. Have never forgotten it. Thanks for what you do.
The Pontiac 400 & 455 were 2 of the best engines made in my opinion. Look at that torque! Beautiful Pontiac blue. I’m a B.O.P. Guy, and have owned many Firebirds, Olds 442’s & Buick Rivs... & built many engines. 68 & 71 Firebird all time favorite! Even the later T/A’s with the chrome swirly dash were the shiz! The Camaro was a poor mans Firebird😉, nice to see this in the shop, thanks Nick!
Worked at gas station my teen years-
Adding oil to a Mopar cast exhaust upsweep manifolds-
Spilled a bit on manifold & your on Fire 🔥 !!!-
Woof!
Nick's Garage 👍
Nick just keeps reving it even though she is smoking and leaking some oil. What a hard core motor head!
Happy to see no one and nothing was burnt up. Great video. Great engine build.
It’s incredible how in US you have this big culture of repairing, rebuilding and testing of big V8’s. I love some of old american muscle cars. In shops from Europe, if we see an 2.0 turbo engine is something cool, unimaginable. You guys, are doing an incredible job. ☺️
northlander Yep, i’ve noticed this after i did the comment. But, i think it’s the same thing for both US and Canada. ☺️
We are all brothers and sisters, under the flag of automotive passion. Thanks for watching.
Glad to see a pontiac on the dyno. I've been fighting my 455 pontiac out of my firebird most of the winter. Finally got it all sorted out today
Sounds good. Waiting for the snow down here in Vt to leave to get it out again.
Gasket starts a fire, not 2 minutes later Nick's thinking about making 500 lol. Definitely the boss.
I love seeing experienced firemen at work
Pontiac made some mean machines in its day :) Dat`s a fact
Except the rods are junk after 5500 rpms. I've built many 428 and 455s.
I own a 1966 tempest.. bought when I was just 19 years old..I'm now 54..
406.. pontiac motor....12, second car
10,s on a 210.. shot..
A 1978 GrandLeMans..half baked big tire car...bought 4 years ago..360 Chevy.... motor.....10, second car..low nines on spray..just a small 125 shot
The valve adjustment is spot on, exactly how it is done. Make sure the lifter is down, remove lash and go 1/4 - 1/2 turn to set the hydraulic lifter into it's travel...move on to the next,, then install valve covers (properly :-) and you're done.
Cool to see pontiac. Wish to see more. Love this show. Theres alot of powerful stock pontiac engines to show.
You said you were looking for 500 hp,,,and you nailed it!!!!
I love the fact that Nick dynos anything, and it's not all brand-new, ridiculously expensive stuff, either. Look at this engine...look at the thermostat housing. That's a real engine, with some used parts on it, not "brand new, best-of-the-best" everything like you see on so many shows. They reused what was still good and it's still a beast.
2:08 Camera pans over a grey blob of a car.
I go "oooh nice! a 164!"
Narrator: "this little grey volvo 164"
me: *proud swedish noises*
"So, with a loose valve cover gasket, we made 499. We need one more horsepower."
"Let's loosen the other side!!!"
That one really breathes fire. Pontiacs are usually seen burning up the road, not supposed to be burning on the side of it! Seriously, great job nick!
Love them Pontiacs grew up in a 71 Trans am my dad has had for 34 years which is how old I am lol I’ve been binge watching Nicks garage all day !!
You guys are #1 to make it happen. I've never seen anything you guys couldn't make happen fore the customer. Absolutely 💯 customer wanted 500 h p you squeezed out 501.5. cheers guys to a job well done.
Awesome video as always. I'd recommend a CO2 fire extinguisher in the dyno cell. Can stop a run away engine, and can also put out a fire without coating the whole room in powder.
Robert L. C02, no powder? I will order one. Thanks for the input.
Co2 will crack heads on a hot engine
@@kevinwhitted2147 If you've got a fire or a runaway engine, the relatively faint possibility of cracking a cyl head is way preferable to destroying your shop, or blowing a rod out the side of the block!
@@nickpanaritis4122 CO2 directed at the base of the fire. Use sparingly until fire is extinguished. Don't turn your back on the fire as reflash can occur. Get some hearing (muffs) in that room and hang them by the door. Hearing loss is accumulative and happens gradually over time. CE retired
@@monticella . Good point. Thanks Rich.
When I left high school I bought my Teachers 2 year old 68 400 H.O. 4 speed Firebird.. during the time I had it I changed the Cam to a 360 hp GTO Camshaft with Screw in Rocker Studs and upper Rocker lock Nuts(stock ones were unscrewing from the vibration) I used Anti-pump up lifters ... with zero lash . converted the 4 hole quadrajet stock intake to an open dual plane intake with a New holly 780 cfm single pumper Carb and ran a stock clutch with a modified 4 speed Muncie Trans ...My Redline was 7000 rpm ..the only thing that ever broke were several sets of Motor mounts and at least a half Dozen Stock Pushrods ...I still have the ability to build it today..there are a few tricks I left out.. I loved that car. I sold it 2 years later and used the money to travel through Europe Africa etc for 6 months..thanks Nick you brought back several Great Memories..I get a big Kick out of your Channel..
All that talent and work probably doesn't come cheap but the attention to detail is what counts with vintage machinery.
That dashboard looked like the space shuttle lol. I pine for the old days of stovebolts and lots of engine compartment space.
There is true art in using hand tools properly. Impact wrenches are for rusty exhaust brackets.
Very nice Pontiac. Looked like an individual runner intake. 28 degrees advance and pump gas and almost 600 foot pounds and over 500 horse. Very impressive. Always good to have extra gaskets in the shop.
I hope there were jack stands under that low hanging hoist in case someone accidentally bumped into the lever. Another great video.
Love the way you run everything to the edge to make sure it'll handle what it's meant for
Discovered your channel a few days ago and very much enjoying it, nice to see someone else keeping the Old School on the road!
You know, Master Mechanic with years of experience. Im sure he knew it was fine.
Yep got blessed on that one. That's why when running modified engines you keep a fire extinguisher in the car or shop. Imagine if that had happened out on the road, you'd be minus one muscle car. I had a fire on my 69 GTO due to forgetting to tighten down the Positive battery cable all the way on the starter. Due to the current pulled it caught on fire. I never would have thought it possible but it did. Scared the pants off me because we were doing it the garage and it could have taken the house with it. I got the fire out and learned a valuable lesson about doing initial runs on rebuilt engines in an enclosed area. Do them outside or have the emergency fire equipment at the ready and in hand. Thanks for sharing. Best Wishes n Blessings. Keith Noneya
Old Nick moves faster than any young buck. Hey's the man.
17:38 Too funny Nick. "We keep pushing it to 5400 rpm and there's a fire we'll put it out and that's exactly what happened".
Nice work on the Pontiac engine, congrats to all the team , Nick your passion for this out of the ordinary. WELL DONE.
This is just a great site. very cool. The young guys should watch all of these!
I love it !!!! Reminds me when iwas putting custom duals on a customers car and i was cutting old strap hangers off with a torch & there was a hole in the floorboard that i nor the customer knew about, anyway the carpet started on fire under the back seat i never pulled a seat out so quick in my life!!!! I didn't even bring the car down on the rack yet!!! Thank god we had a 6 foot ladder close by.......
Owner of 455: My engine's on fire!
Nick: Hold my beer...
Another great video guys. Keep them coming! 👍👍
Hi Nick how much horsepower in a455olds beween a455 Pontiac is there much in the different thank nick April 122018
I wish I lived in Montreal I would volunteer to see if I could learn more about edgine of all different motor your the best I ever seen around edgine nick .and your staff keep up the good work and video thank you April 12 2018
Nah, Nick is always hammering on chocolate milk.
I'm a Pontiac man and the best Pontiac engine to get is 428 bord 30 with 6x 4 heads omg.... right at 600hp with a lame 750 elderbrock carb.....and that's was in the 90s
I just click "Like" before i even start watching these videos. Nicks passion for cars is overwhelming and so obvious. Sure wish i lived closer, would love to have my engine gone through by Nicks Garage. Best channel on YT
Me too. I binge watch this show so if i dont like it at the beginning i forget.
No one else moves or works as fast as Nick... thanks for posting another awesome video.. 👍🏼
Great job on the Pontiac build, great numbers! I love Pontiacs, I just built my daughter a 462 made 556 HP and 588 Tq and put it in her 75 Pontiac Grand Am. It's a monster and she absolutely loves it!
Dan Boren. Good job. And, you are a great Dad.
Thank you, I really appreciate that!
Nick is like a good hearted kid getting these engines to perform.
He loves it all.
Great video 52 year old mopar fan never knew how to adjust lifters on a gm engine now i know.thank you nick.
I always loved the Pontiac 421!! They were tough engines and could take a beating!💪
That engine sounded real good 501 hp, the change of rocker ratio helped a lot. I watch your channel quite a bit, I like it because your not one of these flashy kind of talk above your head kind of guy, love the BB Chrysler engines of yester year awesome power from the factory. I am a SBC and LS kind of guy, enjoy working on both although my LS is in a Pontiac Gran Prix GXP, the engine sits sideways in it, making the back side a little difficult to work on. Will keep up on your channel to see what kind of Detroit iron is next
Love Mopar’s but I really enjoy seeing a Pontiac was my first car 350 the good all days
You can tell nick knows his stuff,when the fire started he didn’t go for the fire extinguisher it takes for ever to get that stuff off and in the engine.
Not a C02.
Listen to that thing roar!
I still own my first car, a stock 73 charger with a 318. This channel always gets me twitching to put a 340/6 in it. I even have aftermarket a/c I could swap.
A old Warrior Doug Nash singleplane with a modified Q-jet would make more power than that twin AFB setup.
You ain’t working if you aren’t setting things on fire. Nothing like a fire to wake everybody up big time👍😎
Your channel has become one of my favorites, Nick. Thank you.
Thank you!
Mine too. First video I click on.
Roach Coach cracked me up. Those were the days
I adjust valves the same way Nick does. You know the lifter is down on each one every time.
Nick!!! We need a 500 cubic inch cadillac engine on that dyno with a street cam little head work and intake matched to the heads with a Holley 850 double pumper carb. You will get a surprise of your life trust me.
Awesome video, just love Nicks perseverance to hit the goal, well done! Pat. UK.
Pulled apart more like over tightened.
thank you. someone had to say it. this guy works way too fast
Nice. Biggest engine I ever had. 455HO in a convertible Goat. Torque monster. But I was in the Air Force and couldn't afford to feed that beast.
it takes nick 2.5 sec to get off his seat and into the fire but if you notice he even shuts down the dyno right before he flys away ,, we dont let a little smoke and fire stop the test power has to keep going to its limit
It was awesome to see somebody deny the use of a fire extinguisher on a small fire.... the fire extinguisher would have done more damage than the fire. Well done Nick.
Had the same oil fire in a car during break-in, scary but had it out in no time!. Melted wire loom was the only damage.
Good job Nick to get it out fast!
I like the way you adjust valves. I have to adjust mine and will set it up the same way.
thanks
A single carb, and more timing, would have made a lot more power. 28 degrees is stupid low.
Hahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you know nothing about this little kid
Just goes to show the guys at Nick's are human
I like all kinds of cars, trucks, SUVs, buses, anything with an engine. 🙂
First thing to notice is Nick can MOVE when he needs to!! He was literally the first to run into the fire :)
Definitely should have pulled that valvecover back off when the leak was first noticed.
some people would consider what Nick does as work.
i think of it as Heaven on earth.
We always “glued” the gaskets to the valve covers with black 3M weatherstrip adhesive. Works great but is a wire wheel job to remove. Always used cork vc gaskets.
Get yourself a pump up type garden sprayer in stead of the squirt bottle.
After catching the car on fire, I keep one with the welder at all times now.
If you have to go find one, it's too late.
Nick You are a Rock star in our automotive world . One day soon I will come with my old ford truck . Best wishes brother and to your crew .
ps- I always glue the valve cover gasket to the valve cover, with permatex weatherstrip adhesive. standard in diesel engine repair industry. then it won't slide around. old diesel mechanic I worked for 2 years taught me that trick. we'd glue all gaskets then assemble next day. then if you take it off to relash, change rockers, the gasket stays there.
You can have a lot of fun with this engine on the street. Pontiac all the way!!!
crazy canadians, our northern brothers! hell yeah i love u guys. keep up the great work and be happy spring is almost here.
Cory H. You bet. Thanks.
Nick is a genius!! I know when I get my Mopar I'm going to send it to him and let him do his magic!!
im more of an import guy, but i appreciate all cars, nick sure knows what hes doing!! passion!!
Nick your passion for excellence sets you apart! Love your videos!