Really, NOT Boring - Two Old Guys Review Two Minivans With ONE Surprising Winner!
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#Toyota #Sienna #Kia - Auta a dopravní prostředky
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Most people never use a suv as it's intended for. Minivans offer more space and function than suv for majority of people
I've owned three minivans, one before marriage and kids and two after having kids with my wife. In all honesty, they are amazing and after selling our last one two years ago my wife said we would never get one again. Well, after our two week road trip and 3200 miles with kids in a new rental CRV, we've decided we want a minivan again. Currently looking at the Toyota for the fuel economy as we have some big trips planned over the next 5-7 years as our kids are nearly grown and we want to fit in much as possible. However, we might go used to save some money and kids are still hard on things so it is hard to justify anything new.
Edit: Meant to add that we have owned multiple SUV / CUV in betweem the minivans and somehow always found out way back to a minivan because of how amazing they are.
Since 2002 we have owned 2 Toyotas. 380k kms of driving. Replaced 4 parts. Starter, muffler, relay for ac, and struts for the rear hatch. Other than that it’s just oil brakes and tires. Hard to beat that.
AWD with better mpg is just an impossible match up, that's why Toyota gets away with it; but honestly they need to significantly improve the quality of the interior.
One little thing to consider when buying a minivan: My 2005 Sienna will turn 19 years old on January 7th 2024 (built date). 300k, and zero issues. Wonder how that Kia will stand in 19 years. Great video!
I don’t think the new siennas have the same quality. Test drove a 70k mile 21 XSE and the shocks were already bad, powertrain gutless, interior falling apart etc. it might run forever but everything else about it falls apart. Toyota is relying on its branding to earn some cheap cash.
@@Noeaskr Always good to know! I hope that Toyota wont follow John Deere's path, converting a very good brand into a complete junk.
Can't compare a kia to Toyota or Honda lol
Gotta compare it to a grand caravan 😂
Everyone likes to dog kia and Hyundai which I understand. We had a odyssey for 12 years and it was great. We bought a new 2023 odyssey model 6 months ago and have nothing but issues. Trunk leaks, infotainment not responsive to touch, sun roof not opening. Honda has tried to fix the issues 4 times now. We are considering a buyback. I think Honda and Toyota are not the same anymore.
@@grizzly2880 for Odyssey you really want a touring or an elite. Transmission is bad on the other trims and they are better built. Have an 18 and everything is great on it.
You two razzing each other is very entertaining. Good chemistry makes good reviews.
Sienna all day..AWD, HYBRID. PERFECT COMBO. The only problem is they crazy increased the price+ mark ups.... Used to be a 35k car(base model), nowadays good luck getting one at a reasonable price.
Single male here, no kids, and dang I enjoy these minivan reviews!!
With you man 😂
As you should
Ironic as it would seem, women/mothers are the only ones that don’t like minivans
@@fallujah0351exactly
@@fallujah0351Not all ladies hate the minivan. I love mine and have my eye on a new Sienna when my current Sienna is stolen by my 16 yo son. 🥳
We need a TFLMinivan channel 😂
Carnival SX prestige with the 8 seat package. Now you have luxury and utility with the ability to remove the seats. Also the middle seat can be slide all the way up to the center console so you can have easier access to the rear facing car seat
Smartstream means it is both port and direct injection. When you run the engine normally it does port injection, when you put the gas on hard, it does direct injection. It's the best of both worlds and one of Hyundai's newer and more reliable engines. No carbon build up.
MSRP means nothing at this point.
The Kia Carnival you can find everywhere for $33k base new, the Toyota Sienna you won’t find for less than $50k (I’ve seen higher than $80k in Seattle) for a new base model.
Comparing apples and oranges at this point with pricing.
Yep, and these people and their delusional "but its AWD and HYBRID, way better gas mileage!!" But they spent 20K more lol
Nathan is well versed in minivans and is TFLs minivan man.
He also got a “Great Deal” on a Hyundai
I bought the Carnival EX+, which comes with a really good center console, 360 camera and buffed-up cruising. The same features on the Sienna would only be availabe at the Limited trim, which is 16-17k CAD more before taxes. The additional gas milage on the Sienna will never make up for that price gap.
Oh, and the XSE trim with the lowered suspension is horrible. The sales person kept pitching it as a "sporty" minivan that's "fun" to drive. Who buys a minivan for sportiness? The woodland edition is better, but it still loses out on cost effectiveness vs the Carnival.
Was there any markup on your carnival?
@@afzalshaikh2128 Nope, but I had to wait about 7 months. Things should be better now. I saw new Carnivals sitting on the dealer's lot on my first service visit.
KIA carnival definitely looks better but awd&good fuel economy is a must for me so I'd have to choose the Toyota
I want to know does the Kia have a turn radius like the sienna? The dealer told me it does( I haven’t test driven yet). But the sienna does have a tight uturn radius much like a car.
@@sirena9167 I don't have exact figures, but it turns tighter than the 2 full size SUV's that we have. It hasn't felt cluncky or unwieldy for me in 4 months of daily driving, and it's been great over the short trip we took from Vancouver BC to Seattle WA.
Think of it like a sedan with a huge cabin and a longer wheel base. The suspension is also pretty nice, almost feels German.
Minivans are Badass 👍
The Kia looks like a very low slung Tahoe
I drove a Caravan for a few years. It gave me my first trust issues with FCA/Stellantis products, but damn was that thing practical! Even for a college kid with no kids.
Deep snow? Front wheel drive and heavy.
Tight parking spaces on campus? That's ok I have rear sliders and a hatch if needed.
200k miles? At least!
All the interior storage/hauling space you can ask for. It made hauling lumber a breeze. Rear vent windows for ALL the airflow! It was an ugly family vehicle so you didn't care where you took it or what you put it through.
In some ways I still miss it! Minivans are underrated!
My family went through 2 Caravans: a '95 and a '06. The '95 survived numerous family riad trips and even an overseas deployment. The '06 wasn't as rugged but was luxury in my eyes with the DVD player, passenger wireless headphones, 2nd row captain chairs, and rear climate controls. I drove that bad boy to community college unashamed. If my folks had gifted me that as my first car instead of the Focus, I wouldn't have been mad at all (though it might not have lasted as long, and that says a lot comparing it to a 2014 Ford Focus... IYKYK).
@@ElijahRock92 we also had a 95 and my dad still misses that if for no other reason than the sheer visibility around you. We had a 96, 02, and 11. Each one was extremely practical!
My 2021 Toyota Sienna Hybrid still running flawlessly with zero issue at 90K miles just fill up with 9 gallons of regular gas after driving 360 miles still have 1/2 tank left. It works out 40 mpg or well I over 600 miles range.
My last 2005 drove past 350 K miles with only minor repairs at trade in time. Quality and longevity, nothing can beat Toyota/Lexus.
Cargo space is so much better in a minivan than the largest SUVs. I can get three adult bikes in the back of my Honda Odyssey with just the third row down (without removing the bike wheels). 2016 and 150,000 miles, great ride, no problems, auto doors, decent mileage.
We need the 4 Van Showdown: Pacifica PHEV, Sienna, Carnival, & Odyssey just to see the four varieties of options available bc they are definitely not all on the same level. It would be fun to see all 4 vans with the same cost (at least within $1k window or so).
We had this same choice a month ago and went with the KIA Carnival XSP 8Pass, for styling, drive quality and value. The reality is we got the Kia for $500 below msrp while the Sienna is hard to find in the model you want and the dealers are charging way, way over msrp. All thiings considered the only reason to go with the sienna is if you have to have AWD. We had 2006 Sienna FWD with snow tires and it did great in the mountains of Idaho. Schweitzer MT snowboarding. Dont see why the KIA wouldnt do as well with snow tires if that was needed. The new Sienna AWD would still do better in same conditions with snow tires but I would wager that the snow tires are what makes the most difference. We did a 2k mile road trip in the KIA for Christmas and it was very comfortable. MPG was 24.3 with a rooftop box and 8 people. At home we average 26mpg without the rooftop carrier box and the extra weight.
I have the same decision to make as well. Winter tires are the biggest difference than AWD except for inclines that are greater than 20 degrees. I would argue the main reason to get the Sienna is for the 36 mpg city/hwy. (Sienna forums have posted over 40 mpg on highway Eco mode). If an owner keeps it long term, the hybrid technology will pay for the itself in 5 years.
i agree..... we had a fwd kia sedona and put snows on all 4 wheels.... and never got stuck. just something to consider (and I live up in alberta where we generally have snow from november to april).
In the past 25+ years I have owned 4 Kia/Hyundai products, and all have been great cars and very reliable. Aside from regular maintenance, the only thing that failed was a heater motor, and that was replaced under warranty. Otherwise no issues at all. Historically they only have one engine series that had issues, and that's the Theta2 series, which they gave a lifetime warranty.
I read this comment while my 2022 Hyundai is in the shop for a new transmission and I’ve been driving a Pacifica for 3 months.
Great review guys!
My only problem with these mini-vans (really any on market) is they can't really haul 4x8 material or anything overly large.
I will keep my old Grand Caravan going until the wheels fall off. So much utility - stow'n'go all the seats, load it up, drive to destination, unload, pop up the seats and load it with people and go off somewhere else or back to your starting point.
I have a 2022 Carnival SX with almost 52000 miles on it. It has been a fantastic vehicle with the exception of the spindle that raises and lowers the automatic opening and closing of the tailgate. It has failed twice. Other than that, no other problems. I got this one when they first came out (literally first one at the dealer) and two weeks before they started adding dealer markup to the price.
Personally, I think AWD is mostly hype. I am old enough to remember when FWD came out in the early 80s. I grew up in WV with lots of snow and hills and mountains and we found that as long as you have good tires, FWD will usually take you where need to go. You guys are looking at these from the eyes of offroaders. These aren't designed for that. And truth be said, when it snows, neither of these vehicles will probably leave their driveway. Finally, the KIA is much more premium inside. Save your money and get the KIA.
Until it blows up at 100k
The Toyota will go 300k plus
@@paulschuenke9529I really don't care what it does at that point. I don't keep vehicles that long. Most people don't so it is moot point.
@@MarkM58and this is why most people are broke. Buying new cars all the time while selling their old one for 20 cents on the dollar when it still runs fine and has years left and depreciation is close to 0.
I had a chance to rent a toyota sienna twice to go from Arkansas back to my home state of Colorado and back to Arkansas. I stuck to back roads and averaged around 68 mph unless going thrrough a small town and my best tank was 43mpg and that was calculated by hand.
Minivans are insanely practical
I like the interior of the carnival but the awd sienna has my vote. Hope there's a drag race between sienna carnival and pacifica!
carnival is junk
@@user-do9ir8lv2mawesome, thanks for the detailed info you provided with that to back it up.
@@user-do9ir8lv2myou are junk.
@@user-do9ir8lv2m how many accounts do you have to like your own comments? I’m sure TFL loves the CZcams algorithm bump but dang seems quite odd.
"Side by side acceleration test"
Cool example of the new smart glasses. A new tool that the TFL team will be fighting for their video reviews. Hands free performance for walk arounds and event coverage. Just walk and talk. Cool!
I would be a lot more interested in the Sienna if they offered the I-force max V6 and a regular tranny. Anyone who says a minivan doesn’t need power probably doesn’t have a large family. Try maxing out your van with 6-7 people, full cargo, and driving at elevation. I currently do that with my Sedona in Montana.
That engine won't fit in a Sienna, even if it did, the Sienna would be SUPER expensive. It's already not cheap as it is.
We need more and better minivans!
Love these style of reviews, keep it up!
Toyota minivan. Is the move. Due to awd.
it is insane to me. friends, intelligent people, really smart people. when you say minivan, they scoff and are willing to throw double the price at a full size SUV for similar capabilities as a minivan. just insane how people can get so illogical as soon as you start suggesting a minivan.
even if it were the same price as the full size SUV, it's still not a fair fight because the minivan has automatic sliding rear doors and such a low floor height. simple insanity that such logical people go so illogical at the thought of a minivan adorning their driveway.
everything a full size SUV can do, a minivan can do it better, and then at half the price.
I've been saying it for awhile now. Most folks don't need SUVs, minivans are more practical in everyday use.
Those camera glasses work well. Good image.
I had a Kia Soul for 10 years. The last two years it was using oil almost as fast as the gas. My wife likes the looks of the Carnival but with the mileage it gets and reliability Toyota is known for, the Sienna was an easy pick for us.
Yeah, soul with a wimpy 4 cylinder that was under the recall, not a bulletproof v6 from Kia. These are great motors.
Your Soul wouldn't have been burning oil if you actually changed your oil when recommended. Skill issue.
@@TheRealCatoffunny, I actually changed it more often then recommended. It’s just a poor design and that’s why they had a class action lawsuit about the oil consumption. They extended the drivetrain warranty to 150,000 miles but I had 160,000 so I was SOL.
@@TheRealCatof The GDI engine in the Soul builds up carbon (as all direct injection engines do). I dont think you can conclude the oil burning is as a result of the oil chance schedule. You're just assuming.
do you know about the recent massive Toyota recalls? There is your Toyota reliability... Google it.
I was in the market for a minivan last year and test drove Honda, Toyota, and Kia. We ended up going with the Honda odyssey bc it was more comfy and cheaper than the other two. However, I do regret not going with the Sienna. The mpg is amazing and the Honda gets 19 mpg if that.
That's a good point. Have to look at fuel efficiency at top or near the top when choosing the right vehicle ten years down the road
Surprise my old honda still gives 25 mpg combined. On highway it is 29
@@bobby350zHonda odyssey?
@@jaunie8217 - yup. I don't drive it like my Z. Or it could be the computer is lying to me.
Unless they’ve changed, Siennas are a bit aggressive with the power steering. We have an older SE trim and I hate driving it. There is almost no return-to-center feedback and it makes the vehicle feel numb to me. The drive by wire throttle response feels odd to me too.
BUT, it is definitely a well built and reliable machine.
You guys were supposed to check the sliding door safety mechanism. Somebody has to sacrifice an arm.
Something else to keep in mind is that the more complicated the vehicle, the more expensive it gets when performing maintenance and repairs.
One of the reasons I prefer the Honda V6 over the Toyota.
More minivan content. please... The best vehicles ever!
Monkey Cam is awesome
A minivan is a container that moves. How well does it fit large long/wide items like drywall or plywood?
Fuel mileage makes a big difference in cost consideration. A "soccer mom" driving around town may frown at the higher price tag of the Sienna, but an extra 10+ mpg over the Kia can equate to real cost savings in your budget as well.
Good work guys. And great video title. 😂
Would love of you compared the size to a kia EV9
I would like to have seen you touch on the reliability of these two vehicles to consider the difference in price. Do you think the better mpg will pay for the difference in price in the long run? You also save on brake service with the hybrid.
Sienna got some big hips. They’re good vans.
I have a Carnival SX Prestige, it was 10K cheaper than the Toyota Sienna, Toyota repair guy said if you have to repair the Sienna, it's pretty pricey (i.e. CTIS wheel is $600 a piece). Kia is coming out with a hybrid for 2025, at probably a similar price point so either one should work (nice to have options), or you can save 30K and get a 2015 Honda Odyssey ;)
Cant get the Sienna here in the Philippines so I guess it's the Carnival for us, hybrid of course
Monkey-cam is excellent but please use it when driving. Would be nice to get an impression of visibility, obstructing A-pillars etc.
Probably should've included the Chrysler Pacifica. With stow n go you can fit plywood in it. We have a 2019 Dodge Grand Caravan GT and use it to haul bigger things than my truck.
New Kia Carnival FL version has Hybrid too. Not in north america yet.
I've seen both cars on the streets here in LA, and the kia looks really nice and elegant. but the Sienna is Large, like almost ginormous.
Gonna be a father to twins in March and am actually considering buying a Sienna. More interested in fuel efficiency than in performance.
I worked for a company that ran a fleet of Caravans. They would run those vans hard putting over 300,000 miles. They would have transmission issues but the engines were solid.
Which van?
The best engine for Kia Carnival is the 2.2 liter diesel. Sadly it is not sold in America. Really smooth, effortless, with good fuel consumption.
Love the van content
Middle row seats can be removed in other Carnival trims. I've done it and placed several sheets of 4x8 plywood on the floor. Plus the difference is way more than 3k. You're comparing a mid trim Toyota with a tom trim Carnival and it's already a 3k difference. Compare prices between same trims. It takes many years before you make up the difference in gas price savings...
Comparing Toyota to a kia is like putting whipped cream on an onion 😂
Would 2 full size bikes fit in either or both standing upright
Comfort is important when sitting waiting for your tow truck driver
The last time I checked, in order to get AWD on the Sienna, you have to give up the 8 passenger seating and are stuck with the middle row captains chairs. Also, the top 3 trim require the middle row captains chairs. The Kia allows 8 passenger with 2nd row bench seat on all trims. Due to trims and packaging, the Kia wins for my family with 3 kids.
As a family of 6 I agree with the minivan being convenient for a daily. If you want to road trip its much too small for 6 with gear. Even with a roof rack maxed you will want at least a hitch for another rack. If i were buying new for all around i would get a Honda Pilot and put a full roof rack with a hitch for rack options. Obviously a Suburban or Expedition would be optimal if $ wasn't a concern.
In my experience with a large family and owning multiple minivans, Honda Pilot, Subaru Ascent, and various full-size SUVs... A minivan with roof box holds significantly more than a Honda Pilot with the same roof box, and the passengers have tons more room in the minivan. The problem with full-size SUVs is driving them daily. You can easily maneuver and park a minivan (or Pilot, Ascent, etc.) as if it were a Honda Accord.
@MatthewHashim for sure. We had a 7.3 Excursion for years and miss it terribly. Sitting in line at preK pickup wasn't it's strong suit but it got almost the same mpg as our current Pacifica and much more capability and range. I only say Pilot because it's still a V6 and comes with a tow hitch.
@@danichicago9140 the Excursion is a special beast! Talk about super sized! We owned a Pacifica Hybrid and the MPG in daily use was ridiculously good. It was also super comfortable on the highway. We were usually in the 35-50 MPG equivalent due to running almost entirely on battery. We live in a hilly area so the MPG could fluctuate dramatically if the gas engine had to turn on. Only sold it because of recalls. Stellantis really needs to get their stuff together... The hybrid system recalls due to fire risk is just bad.
Could Tommy do the Tfl slip test with the sienna?
35mpg vs 19mpg, I’d pick the Sienna all day. The current Carnival is more comparable to the outgoing Sienna
You'll spend 15-20K more to get the Sienna so the extra mpgs dont mean much.
3k difference and also you ever seen what kia dealers are pricing their cars at? the hype has them selling at a premium
We feel like the Chrysler Pacifica should have been on the list due to Stow&go and AWD
The hybrid Pacifica I will agree isn’t very reliable and doesn’t offer AWD or stow&go but the Traditional V6 and AWD is such a great combo
My understanding is that Chrysler is going through a massive financial crisis. Likely couldn’t afford to loan one to these guys.
@haroldbeauchamp377i wish stow and go on the hybrid 0
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 That's not true, Chrysler is part of a huge conglomerate that is financially sound. The reason there are so few Chrysler products is because FCA halted new vehicle development for several years while they were seeking a merger partner. Now there are new vehicles in development again, but they are years behind the competition.
@@Johnny_Socko thanks for the information. My comment was based solely on the recent news story of them pulling out of car shows due to financial concerns.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 Oh, I see what you're saying. I think the financial concerns they were talking about were "Auto shows cost too damn much", lol. (Personally I think it's a mistake...auto shows are a good way for people to check out cars without going to a dealer.)
No way would i buy a kia over a Toyota. The lower price looks great. Until the car dies at 70k
I love the Carnivals styling better and living in Southern California don’t need AWD
I have 2 Hyundais and 1 Toyota. Both of them are 2020’s. My 2 Hyundais have had no problems at ALL on the other and my Toyota has blew up 3 times and had more maintenance than I can count. Transmission/ blew up, Engine exploded, then the Transmission blew up again under normal use. I don’t even go that far, they only have around 40k miles. I don’t abuse them or go over speed limits. Also my gas cap rusted off.. And I use it a lot it’s not like it’s in a barn sitting there. I know my friends and family had similar experiences with Toyota as I did. And turns out the problems I had are actually kind of common with Toyota vehicles, I think Toyotas days of “Best reliability” are well gone and they are using their past to advertise that they have the best cars. Have my 2 Hyundais work perfectly, a lot of my friends and family own Hyundais and never has big issues. Im picking Hyundai/Kia all day thank you
Agreed!
um sure. :O lOL
What about the Honda Odyssey in comparison with this twos ?
My 2016 Sienna has removable middle row seats. They remove that?
Yes they did. They now include the airbag in the seat. You cannot remove the middle row do to that.
The resale value on Kia’s says a lot, they are easy to steal, and you don’t see many old Kia’s on the road either. Sienna all day
Wish the Sienna had removable 2nd row seats!
Definitely a deal breaker.
great review, my family and I purchased a 22 kia sx prestige and she's a beauty. I wish they would've touched on the sport mode with the kia, she really gets up. We looked at the sienna but ahhhhh it's such a boring-looking van.
I'm at 12mpg city on a 2019 awd Sienna. But gets the job done
Best thing about my Sienna XLE... Drove for 2 years... Sold for the same price I paid 😂
But won't buy a new one because the quality feel in Toyota is not good... Too much plastic
You guys really need to do a medium off road trail in the woodland edition...
Both have cumbersome folding seats. The Pacifica wins in my scoring. I wouldn’t by a Mina van for mpg. Just need power-utility- and price
kids will love playing with those back seats in the kia
Toyota all the way. Efficiency, RELIABILITY and resale. Kia doesn't build vehicles that last like Toyota or Honda. Millions of engine problems should be enough evidence. I have 2 Odysseys and they are great. Removable 2nd row seats too.
Odyssey got lots of issues.
Hands down the Sienna is the one to get. An AWD system and a proven hybrid drivetrain that will save you thousands of dollars year after year compared to the competition is a no brainer. The Platinum grade is much quieter than the others if noise levels are a concern for you. Toyota quality, reliability, resale value, reputation go an awful long way.
Can you compare the back seat of the Kia Carnival Sx Prestige to the Lexus Ultra Luxury? I think these back seats are BETTER than the seats in the Lexus Ultra Luxury. I am very tempted to buy this because it can be a VIP transport vehicle in one instant and a minivan in another instant and a huge luggage transport system in another instant. So, Very versatile!
Chinese market sienna is available with way more luxury features than what’s available in the us market. Much bigger infotainment screen, vip middle seats with cooling etc. large drop down tv.
It’d be awesome if Toyota refreshed the sienna and put the V6 hybrid setup out of the top trim Lexus TX in it. Unnecessary and unlikely, but awesome.
The Carnival is a great dad-van
No.
the kia is a terrible family-van
@emikomina sure it is a great family van and great for dads (or mamas) who need the space!
Why does nobody say that the eCVT has no belt?
For the same reason why they think most minivans don't have AWD is a crossover competition and not a slave saving problem. Toyota has AWD due to an electric rear. KIA would have to somehow jam a drive shaft in the rear without taking away the deep trunk space with its power train.
@RDJ1SS Toyota had always offered AWD in the Sienna since 2004, and it didn't come with a hybrid powertrain. I know Kia can offer the Carnival with AWD, they just didn't want to.
@@damilolaakanni holy crap, honestly didn't know this. Now I want a used AWD sienna no other car makes sense
I was wondering if they both have a spare/donut tire?
I like Pacifica stow n go seats. I wish you can buy deleted third row. I don’t need it. I need CARGO room more than anything. Now they are getting rid of small cargo vans this year. My option would be a cheaper model of a minivan. Pacifica seems to be the leader on my list.
give me the V6 any day for towing or i wish the Carnival turbo diesel came to North America.. power and engine braking is better with the V6 the hybrid regen brakes varies with state of charge and the smaller engine just doesn't give that hold back going down hills would get pushed around by a trailer or if just loaded
Assuming an average annual mileage in the U.S. of 13,500 miles and a gasoline price of $4 per gallon, the Toyota pays for itself after about 3.17 years despite being more expensive, but it is more efficient.
Wait till the facelift of Carnival where they offer the hybrid option with AwD.
Honda vs Toyota is the two best
I still don't fully understand why they haven't tried to make a minivan with a 30-50kwh battery to work like hybrid- ev with 300+ hp for quick and fun acceleration and 600+ miles of range. They have the space to make minivans a more fun and practical vehicle all around.
I was getting tired of waiting for my Sienna and was looking at the math of the odyssey and the gas savings would let me recoup the price difference after 4-5 years
I was comparing these vans yesterday at the San Diego auto show.
I can't disagree with your views.
Anything to the rumors of the Kia Carnival coming with AWD and hybrid for the 2025 model year?
And a push bar to ram pot shops in Seattle easier.
For 2015 the Kia Sedona was rated as the most reliable minivan! Hard to believe Korean vehicle was rated as more reliable than the Japanese!!
The Sienna is better in the city on the highway especially u got weight in it , at higher speeds or hustle from point A to B the Sienna doesn't like that.. The Carnival driven in same manner on the highway gets very similar mpg.. it is quick for the size you got to watch that speed as it drives effortlessly at higher speeds
I own Siena Platinum awd ( almost 45k miles on it ) --- awd is awesome option - Toyota E four system is like Audi Quatro imitation , i loved in Snowy Chicago, very and love it in deep south state with tropical rains .
If u gonna use Siena for proper purposes ,as like family car in the cities u gonna be happy . But its definitely weak and small for traveling if u got big family
We got 3 kids , mother in law Cane corso (110lbs ) --- Siena should have bigger trank , i would like ask Toyota start offering people longer version of Siena, as like Chrysler with Dodge offered short and long versions 15-20 years ago .
We like Siena but started discussions about diesel Suburban or Yukon
I'll take the reliability ans dependability over the "feel" of a bit more premium.
Mini vans are so versatile. As a surfer I love the space and ability to sleep and change inside. But it is still the most emasculating vehicle out there. I’ll stick with the truck for now.
Pacifica plug-in hybrid