The Super League Civil War is BACK: The ruling, the format & reactions
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- čas přidán 22. 05. 2024
- The European Court of Justice ruled that UEFA and FIFA must step out of the way of any breakaway leagues that wish to be created and operate. Not that any and all leagues can be set up without permission, just that UEFA and FIFA don’t have the power to block them and monopolize the market. With that in mind, what does this mean for European football? Will anything change? And what is the new format for the European Super League? There have been some changes for the better, while they haven’t exactly got rid of the safeguards that are in place for the “big teams” completely.
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Do you like the Super League proposal? Are you against it? Do you think it will happen? Share your thoughts!
I am for it. They promise more matches and most of those matches will be between strong teams, not like we have now where super clubs have to play against bad teams for the half of the season.
Ye l like the super league it would be a chance for smaller teams to shine @@MrDjgalas
Against. It is just about open to provide them with plausible deniability, but the fact that it sidelines domestic form in deciding the following year's participants is an attack on the domestic leagues, and very blatantly so.
@moluther2826 dude people are calling a22 greedy when a lot of the money will be going to the top teams plus there offering a free app to watch highlights without payment that isn't greedy that is generous
Love it
No one is really the hero in this.
You have two organisations that want to make as much money as possible.
Part of me does want to see FIFA/Uefa challenged as they do pretty much have a monopoly and some of their questionable decisions raise some red flags…some may even say corruption.
I have a similar stance on this as you. I mean either way it’s just rich people getting richer so if this creates competition for UEFA then i can only assume it will lead to innovation. The shit UEFA pulled in regards to the last world cup was so obviously corrupt. I mean giving out the hosting rights to a country that didn’t even have the infrastructure to host it is insane. And we all know they did it because of that oil money
They are corrupt as fuck. But you don't stick it to the bad guy by deciding to support the obviously worse guy
World cup final argentina win was corrupt. Offside goal a flop goal in final
Wait.... corruption?!?!?! like every established for profit organization?!?!?!
Yep, if the super league was enacted we would essentially be going from corrupt to even more corrupt, all whilst irreversible damaging the integrity and fairness of the game.
The only thing that could fix the gap in spending would be to set a cap on clubs transfers and on what 1 player can be worth and a cap on wages
That's the 1 thing that the North American sports leagues have that could benefit the European football structure. Long term it would give other clubs a real chance of long term success and competing with the richer clubs. Rather than developing a golden generation and everyone getting bought in 2-3 seasons. Historically there was more competition as the financial gap was lower the further in the past you go. But there is a huge sense of entitlement among the big rich clubs. They are like empires that refuse to fall. Some like Barca, Real, Juve just want to consolidate everything and get more rich and more control.
@@davaemaximus9333 But also Real and Barca and Juve will eventually lose out to the premier league on TV income and popularity in a vicious circle. The Super League is interesting for Real, Barca and Juve, but the English clubs don't need it and it might damage their income streams.
I be thinking that too but with the system in place and players greed I don't think it will ever happen bur then again it will help clubs from going bankrupt
So its basically summarized as , Barcelona and Real Madrid got PAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDDDDDDD
Not yet. Only at the commencement of the ESL
@@oleratomokoka7955 according to what has transpired, the organizers said that whoever joined got at least all of their debts paid for so as I said, PPPPAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDDDD
Juve too
There are no privileges for the founders as the Superleague CEO has recently explained
Here's the thing. One reason why clubs are afraid of how they're losing younger viewers is because younger viewers have less disposable income than the older generations do. It's hard enough to keep ourselves afloat with all the bills and what not. The Super League isn't going to fix this problem, football will have to reset for a world with less money because once the richer older generation goes away, the money will also go away.
You are absolutely right. Not only less disposable income, but they've grown up not watching entire football matches and instead check the scores on their smartphones. Sitting through 90 minutes of football is a punishment to them, not something enjoyable.
They are ultimately the ones that will make or break the future of football. And if they break the current model, I'm all for it.
Sailing the seven seas my brother
Florentino said the same thing 2 years ago. In addition, there are other ways of entertainment not like 20 years ago before Internet. Football needs to adapt to the new world
The super league format you subscribe like Netflix and pay every month. You watch only top teams e.t.c
One channel with set games for €50 per month, or any game in the world a stream with VPN for €5 a month?
A difficult choice for the youth.
I think the sad part about this whole power struggle is that neither side actually has the interests of the fans and players at heart. Its just one mafia v another mafia.
UEFA and FIFA dont have the good of football at heart as weve seen over the years, but sadly neither do the super league execs because they just wanna topple UEFA and become the defacto UEFA and rather than fixing the structural issues across football they'd just be addressing their own issues. And i say this as a Madridista. Coz what Florentino is proposing will definitely address some of the issues we have from existing UEFA competitions but none of the actual issues that matter. Battle between two evils. Meanwhile the fans and players we just remain pawns.
Keep up the great coverage as always Adrian and happy holidays everyone 👊🏿🎉
I don't think this is a mafia vs mafia situation. It's mostly UEFA vs clubs. I know that Barça and Juve are not the cleanest clubs out there, but still not the same as UEFA. And Real Madrid and Barcelona are fan owned clubs, so it's mostly a monopolist and corrupted UEFA vs fans.
One will be free while the other filthy expensive, figures which one
The Fact That UEFA Are Willing To Bin Their Swiss Format Is Wild 😅.
But I Personally Don't Care Especially With The Future Of UEFA And FIFA Competition. Plus Here In Africa The Super League Is A Thing Already.
But the African football league is still problematic. I still think that there should be a 3 african competition to help the clubs in Africa
@@ernestaddo9578 True. I Actually Tuned Into A Live Show On Twitter And They Said The Same Thing. But It's Only Year 1. So Much Could Change. I'm Still Though Not A Fan Of The AFL
The Swiss part of the new UCL format has already been scrapped. It would have meant that after every matchday you hold a new draw, and each team is paired against a team with equal (or almost equal) number of points, and which they haven't played yet. Just like in chess. This would mathematically guarantee that no more than one team can achieve maximum points.
Instead, they keep the seeding pot system. Each team will get 2 opponents (one home, one away) from each pot, including their own. Pot 1 teams will get 2 additional pot 1 teams and will lose the advantage of only facing lower ranked teams. Pot 4 teams will get 2 additional pot 4 teams, giving them more opportunities to gain more points and catch up with higher ranked teams.
People still assume the format is similar to the previous one in 2021 but this new one only goes against UEFA and all the leagues will not be affected whatsoever. all the leagues and the smaller clubs will remain the same but we have teams preferring to be in a monopoly such as LaLiga teams that signed the CVC deal now are all stuck with Javier Tebas being in charge of them
the super league would just make the rich clubs richer and widen the gap more than it already has
@@moderatemapper9440it makes everyone richer as the organisation doesn't get as big of a cut.
It's literally designed to keep teams like Byarn Real and Barca from dropping out of the CL do to a shit year nothing more. They have seen themselves lose prestige over the last few decades and this is an attempt to remedy that
Barca fan here but this is false they are wayyy too many games. Why does this even fit
you have no idea what youre on about.. super league will kill all the other clubs excluded..
That's the best video I've seen on the topic so far. Great work, keep it up!
Thanks for this amazing vid. Was able to explain EVERYTHING I feel about the ESL so succinctly and completely. It really is a race to see who can kill the golden goose between EPL clubs (whether they have state backing or not), state-owned clubs, the SPL, and other European clubs that don’t have that. I understand how this can help make other European giants competitive again but at the end of the day, no matter how altruistic they claim their efforts to be (which are as close to nil as possible), money talks and the ESL will become the predominant league if revenue streams are as Perez envisions.
At the end of the day, each party has certain financial interests at stake. Even parties like SkySports who take a neutral stance which basically means they're not neutral but are afraid to admit they don't want to see a Super League since it would definitely negatively affect the Premier League.
It is exactly how you said it. The big teams would be protected in their Star League, as only 2 of the top 16 could drop/year, and even if they do they will compete in the Gold League, they won't go out altogether. The whole "promotion and relegation" thing is an illusion, just to address people's concerns about the initial concept of the Super League.
They don't care about innovation, creating something unique, or helping all the clubs. They want to protect themselves and maintain the status quo. But don't worry, unless they convince a lot of clubs to join, it is destined to fail.
I don't think ESL will be all that popular, not short-term, at least.
All the big English teams and German teams are missing, and several other sides around Europe.
Once the novelty wears off, Anderlecht VS Benefica isn't going to challenge EPL dominance if viewership.
@@Jfieldsend94 if whoever they can get will be given enough money they will soon became big clubs. Nowadays most of the players care only about €€€, they're going to fuckin Saudi League like they did before to China
Honestly considering all the big clubs left are in Spain and Italy, I wouldn't be surprised if they attempt a "Mediterranean Super League" once this ESL proposal fails, including teams from Italy, Spain, and maybe Turkey and Greece as well. Galataseray Vs Athens sounds like a significantly more interesting game than Anderlecht vs Benfica. Still don't think it would happen, but it's more plausible than trying to take all top 5 leagues into 1.
@@chiefbeef9905 They could consider merging their national competitions in an attempt to fight the global popularity of the premier league.
@@chiefbeef9905eh not That interesting but let’s see
The English teams are missing because they realized if the super league happens they’re fucked because the premier legue is europes version of the Saudi league always has been the ridiculous transfer fees that English clubs come up with in reality the premier league is a super league 6 big teams playing each other every season basically the super league
If the other teams from other leagues were able to spend as much as the premier league teams they would be fucked
At least it isnt a closed off system and i do kinda find it funny how the 3rd tier more than 50% get kicked out & replaced by teams outside based on domestic league position 😂
I know for sure that "saving football" is not a significant driver for any of the actors in this endless
This is basically Dream League and First Touch Soccer in real life
Tldw: "Those in favor of the superleauge believe in trickle down economics."
Southampton made more money than Seria A winners Napoli
Because the prem actually distributes it’s money down to all clubs in their division. And having every single game be competitive since all the teams are full of real talent is what allowed the league to thrive. Other European leagues should’ve been doing this all along, but those at the top of those leagues felt that they needed all the money they could and didn’t want to give up their piece of the pie. “Who cares that nobody wants to watch Osasuna vs Celta Vigo because we have Messi vs Ronaldo”? The prem didn’t do this and it’s why they’re ahead.
Southampton got 200M to get relegated does that make sense to you
@@JimmyWashingtonII That's because pl distributes it's revenue equally among all the clubs. doesn't matter if you are a big club or smaller one. unlike the other leagues.
@@TylerAven10 The Premier League is one of the biggest marketing successes in history. From near death in the 1980s, the English league is now by far the most popular in the world. They got the timing right, just a few years before the Bosman ruling, and they got many other things right as well. No other league can compete and this will just get worse. So there are sure to be big changes eventually.
@@TylerAven10 They don't like facts. Infact Real Madrid and FC Barcelona were bankrolled by Spain's national bank during the galacticos era out of the tax payers money which literally means these clubs were being funded by Nation states. That is how they went ahead. Now that others have caught up they are crying.
I almost forgot how great your content is
Should have more teams in the super league getting relegated and promoted that way there’s no monopoly up top.
It’s literally 60-80 teams. And that’s literally the format they proposed yesterday. Anyone can get relegated no matter how big or small you are
@@chris.48 then why have Spurs and United automatically in the top tier? None have been any good. Especially this season.
It's all about how big the club is. Merit based is a lie that they keep trying to convince everyone.
@@daviddegea3373merit based means shit team with no european history can enter the tournament, like Girona by earning it on the pitch.
Teams like Real Madrid who has the most European history will enter the top tier, because they are a historic club. But that doesn’t mean Real Madrid can’t drop to Gold League or Blue if they do really bad in the Super League.
@@daviddegea3373 bro because they have to start somewhere, and historic teams is the way to go. after a few years whoever is best on the pitch will be in the first division just like all the leagues, what is so hard to understand
@@Chris.Morales yeah that's merit based. Based on how you perform now and not how you had performed in the past. Why use RM as the only example.
Arsenal doesn't even have a history. Why do they get to be in tier 1? Why start them in Gold? Who gives them the authority.
Based on your word Shit team says hoa much you value football. You can shove it wherever, because football is bigger than your small mindedness has to offer.
It is just about protecting the money of the big clubs at its heart. Take a new club that does really well in their league, as an example Leicester, in the current situation when they won the EPL, they had an automatic guaranteed CL spot in the groups and the guaranteed cash that comes with that. In this format they would go into the 'Blue' league, essentially the conference league, the equivalent of finishing 7th or 8th in the EPL, that would come with far far less money and exposure. So even in the blue league, they then have to fight their way through at least 2 seasons (to get to gold and star), against teams earning much more than them to ever get to the top competition, it is a complete uphill battle. Whereas someone like Chelsea might have been in the Star league through that whole period, might have finished 6th, 9th and 10th in the EPL over 3 seasons, but as long as they were not too bad in the Super League, they would be earning all that Super league money. attracting the best players because they want to play in the Super League and paying big wages because of that SL cash, but plucky Leicester even winning the EPL and performing way better than Chelsea over those 3 seasons, they earn way way less money despite being better. Not only does this protect the super clubs from your Man Citys, PSGs, Chelseas etc. clubs that get pushed up by investment, but it protects them from your Leicesters, Atalantas, Sevillas, clubs that just have great seasons, unearth some gem players and finish higher in their domestic leagues than traditional big clubs, it also protects them from mediocre seasons, there is no real issue with a Liverpool or Real having a bad domestic seasons and finishing 6th or 7th because they will stay in the SL and all that cash, PLUS being in that SL will give them so much cash that them having a bad season is even less likely to happen. It is pure keeping the rich rich and making an exclusive club at the top of the European game that stops 'upstart' clubs being well run or well funded (or both) from entering the club. A club having a great domestic season with good recruitment and upsetting the big boys despite having less money, will not get rewarded, they will have to perform for 3 years straight to reach the top of the game, at a complete disadvantage.
Couldn't agree more
Yup. Still designed to keep the already rich at the top, no matter their domestic league position, reducing merit.
This idea would make it so that Girona, Aston Villa or Leverkusen might have to win two straight seasons of European competitions (Blue then Gold) to get to their equivalent of the Champions League (Star).
It’s a false sense of progression with their proposed promotion and relegation format in its current state.
The best argument in favour of the Superleague is wealth redistribution. There is an inherent imbalance in the fact that, while clubs like Barcelona, Real Madrid or Bayern are owned by fans and therefore are tied economically to their brand value (and the revenue they generate from sport), other clubs can be bought by whomever has the money and be flooded by almost unlimited resources, regardless on where they come from. While ones are tied to generating money from the footballing world, others aren't. Every fan owned club will be, in time, forced into banktrupcy, while multibillionaires will play Football Manager between themselves. No footballing fan benefits from this.
The clearest example might be Unai Emery, a manager who took a club from a city of 50K inhabitants to UEL glory and then the next year beat Bayern on its way to a CL semifinal, left to go to the 18th (!!!!!!!) placed team in the Premier League, and didn't do so for love or prestige. In no world should that happen, specially if the money being offered does not come from football. (No need to give Chelsea's spending antics as an example)
In summary, an NBA-style cost cap is needed if football is to remain competitive.
About the rest:
- The league would be controlled by the clubs instead of UEFA, which would make money going to UEFA right now go to the clubs. Less UEFA corruption, more club power. I would need to see a wealth redistribution plan for the rest of the teams that aren't taking part in SL, though.
- Free TV streaming is a marketing stunt to increase attractiveness, but also tackles two very real problems in TV prices and internet piracy.
- Format is made to be as close as possible to the actual European competition structure. I like the premise of watching higher-quality games all year round, but it's too rigid. There should be consequences for a club being terrible for a season, something like the bottom two Star League teams dropping all the way down to Blue and another two to Gold, or something like that. The more mobility while maintaining the structure, the better.
- There is too much independence from national leagues. As @RabonaTV pointed out, the incentive for teams to focus on the Superleague would be very high, taking away from the excitement of national leagues. However, one could argue that already happens with the Champions League. Maybe an "instant relegation if lower than 12th on national league" for Star league clubs would be nice.
- It would take away chances from "one season club wonders" to capitalise on their success, as they couldn't get directly into higher competitions and get the revenue they would if they got into CL quarterfinals and faced Bayern.
Change in football is necessary. UEFA being punched in the guts is necessary. Is SL the solution? I don't know, I hope so. But if not, either the footballing world will become more united or hell is going to ensue. I predict the second
This is the best take I’ve seen on the ESL project, everyone else just blindly says “but it will kill small clubs competing in European football!!!” Without giving a second thought as to how fan controlled clubs are beginning to permanently lose the ability to compete with privately owned clubs due to UEFA’s monopoly
@@josea1707 not only that, but SL gives a better chance to mid-table and lower teams qualifying to actually retain the revenue they generate from the Blue league. This is because for clubs to lose the SL income they need to get relegated, instead of needing to have another wonder season in the national leagues to qualify for European competition, which never happens as the wear and tear from playing everything usually prevents smaller clubs from doing well in the national league in back-to-back years.
Hey Adrian what was the music at 2:48??? I rlly like it
The Super League idea even in its new format just doesn't work. Thinking about it, it may reduce the ability bottom half teams from EPL to compete with bigger European teams for players as we have seen recently, but any top 10 English team that makes it even into the 3rd tier Blue League will still be able to match offers from most top 4 EU teams.
Plus, one thing that isn't being talked about enough is how the increased revenue for the teams in the Super League will simply serve to widen the gap between the top teams vs the bottom teams domestically. We will have a lot less chances of a Leicester happening basically
dude Leicester was a fluke, never happening again no matter what. City and their billions in oil will make sure of that. Newcastle now owned by oil too, soon all the big teams will be oil based, breaking all the fair play rules and the small teams will be dead in the water
Super league had been made for the global audience not for locals, no one cares about c tier teams in the premier o Spanish league, the global audience wants to the se big bois play not some fillers.
@@nel186 "big bois" are only "big bois" if they're actually having stakes
Two things can be true at the same time. UEFA and FIFA are corrupt, FFP is a joke and oil clubs are a problem.
However, the fact remains that this would kill the soul of the sport. Trying to make every match a blockbuster would severely diminish those special moments of underdog victory (Bournemouth beating United, Girona beating Barca). The whole thing feels less like an alternative to the CL and more like Real and Barca throwing a temper tantrum because they are no longer the richest clubs around. Perez never had problems with spending big when the galacticos were a thing, but sure, let him save football.
The ESL ultimately holds a position that there are clubs that have a borderline god given right to be at the top of the sport. That is not how things work, and frankly it would be just as problematic as any UEFA or FIFA competition if it was to happen, which seems highly unlikely as things stand now.
Bro there is no competition in the prem, just an illusion of 3 teams fighting while all other teams fighting for scraps. At the end of the season arsenal will bottle it and city will win AGAIN. Let’s not kid ourselves here. Also no one cares about bottoms teams doing whatever other than the locals of said team. Global audience only cares about the big bois.
I think a lot of people are missing the point with regards to this SL format. They don't see that this still lacks a lot of meritocracy and will have a massive damaging effect on domestic leagues.
So lets say the Star League has all the origianl ESL founders plus a few others. Chelsea have another bad season in the PL and finish 14th in the league, but manage to avoid relegation from the Star league. Meanwhile Newcastle (who for arguments sake) havent been invited into any of the 3 ESL divisions, win the PL. The winners of the PL in the following season get the privilege of playing Blue league football whilst chelsea who finished 14th enjoy the benfits of being in the star League? Thats not a great meritocracy. It then in turn makes the PL less appealing, as there is no top 4/european football race, thus increasing the size of the 'mid table' . If teams in the PL are in 2nd or 3rd but can't realistically catch the leader in lets say March, then it makes the rest of their seasosns pointless, because there is no reward for finishing in 2nd, 3rd or 4th. It diminishes the value of every domestic league
I think that the super league would/will just fill up with PL teams over time. There will be 8-10 PL teams and some top teams from the rest of europe. By that the english teams on average will get even richer and nothing is gained (aside from a financial bailout for Barca, Juve etc.).
If they're all really that good then they have earned it.
@@StephenWong14 They just have more money because of the bigger market.
@@eggselent9814Chelsea have spent over a billion in 2 years. You can combine the rest of the prem (including city) and the rest of the leagues in Europe and they’ve spent more than all combined. All that money for what? They can’t beat wolves, Brentford, Everton. They’re one of the worse teams in prem they don’t deserve to be anywhere near the top teams.
They basically want all the glamorous historical clubs in the top division constantly. As it stands ‘lesser’ teams can potentially make it to the top which is the beauty of the game. Who wants the same oil funded clubs slugging it out against each other....
8:20 that's why I would scrap the promotion/relegation system and instead have clubs qualify for the Super League based on their performance in their respective domestic leagues. The Star League clubs should be the ones who win their domestic league title, and other clubs based on their position in their respective domestic leagues, should be allocated to the Super League accordingly. This is how I would put
The problem with that it’s that it will always secured the top clubs of every league, so we would be at the same spot.
I personally didnt like the new ucl format wen being explained it in multiple videos. But after playing a lot of fm 23 and now 24, i think it is great and gives teams such as newcastle who were handed a montrous group the chance to make the top
24 and play some knockout soccer
Personally, as someone who is against a super league, I think the ruling itself is good for football. UEFA en FIFA had an monopoly, which breads corruptions as we have seen in the last decade.
My guess is that this is being done in order to catch up with the EPL's TV deals and overall revenue while also ensuring they are able to pay off debt.
My guess: The ESL (European Super League) is making a calculated play that the EPL teams will not join the Super League, meaning that over a period of about a decade or so, they will be able to be on par (or maybe even above) the EPL teams' revenues. Maybe they will try to aim for some of the teams outside of the traditional Big 6 to join the ESL in the next few years? Who knows.
I think the English clubs know this is a poisoned chalice if they go in for it, whether sanctions from the EPL, fan boycotts, or even government regulation to save the EPL. Will be really interesting to see what happens. I hope my club (Liverpool) will stay away from this like it's the plague.
Partially yes, catching up with Engliah team's revenue is a reason for this, but the super league ia a projwct3 that has been developed sonce before the huge tv deal of the premier. I think this is more about oil money clubs and UEFA monopoly and money distribution. Real Madrid can compete against English clubs for now, but it is impossible to compete against oil money clubs with unlimited money, and UEFA is so corrupted that they are helping those oil money clubs. They are killing football, the superleague could be the salvation for this sport.
"What is dead may never die, but rises harder and stronger" the Greyjoys quotes
12:35 if there comes a super league the people will not pit much focus on EPL that much which will kinda even that but not the best solution still I think it will help probably
This new format of new Super League looks much better
Needs more teams relegated and promoted and it will be fine
What i would like someone to explain to me is in the initial season of this proposed Super League are the Star, Gold , Blue leagues are the places allocated strictly on the previous seasons League places in the various european leagues. If that the case i would not oppose it. But if its on so called co-efficents and historical performance then its just a Big Club Money Grab. Unless would this mean Nottingham Forest would be in the Star League.
What's funny to me is that fans think they have a say about this Fifa and Uefa never consulted them when they decided to increase the Games for the champs league and Fifa club world cup this thing will happen when the money in the proposal is increased for all the clubs to be involved. The ESL is inevitable whether fans agree with it or not.
What I would highlight the most on the ruling is that, if FIFA and or UEFA ever piss off some european clubs, there is nothing they can do if those clubs decided to breakaway from them. So it means more power for the clubs. I don't see ESL as a solution either, but rather as a platform if say the number of pissed off clubs are "many". Current format is so so and I believe would be tweaked over time. I am curious how uefa/fifa would alter their approach towards european clubs with this ruling actually.
European super league doesn't have a sustainable compitition structure and sustainable income if it happens it will be going to collapse
I am 100% in with ESL.
Because we need uefa/fifa to listen to us fans . Now they have competition they scrap those greedy changes !!!!
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You know it's not happening when ManU "make a stand" against it haha
Which is quite ironic since they recently were still twerking for a foreign investor whilst that is the same reason, why the Super League concept was created in the first place.
@@disistheway2679huh😂 what? “Twerking for investor”? We want the club off the hands of the glazers you donut
Wtf are you waffling about.
Which is quite stupid and ironic imo. They were literally twerking for the Qatari’s like the guy below/above me said. And also Idky they’ll reject such thing when they could literally clear all their dept with the help of this league.
@@chris.48 exactly, their hypocrisy knows no bounds. Attacking the super league while begging to be owned by oil money
@@chris.48just shows the owners don’t care about the debt
I don't like Super League. But, the argument that even if Real Madrid finishes 12 in La Liga but third last in Star League would ensure its place in Star League next season, and that is bad. I agree. But Villareal won UEL in 21/22 while being 7th in La Liga. And they booked their place in UCL next season despite having lower La Liga position than Sociedad and Betis. So, kinda same. Theoretically, you can get relegated in domestic league but if you manage to win UEL, UCL or UECL in same season, you are still guaranteed a place in European Competition next season. In England, if a team from 3rd division manages to win FA Cup, it is guaranteed at least a play off qualification round for next season UCL.
That's completely different if you've won a trophy it should qualify you for European football
@@dylanreid4371 The argument was that domestic leagues would become irrelavent as performance in super league would guarantee the place in next year super league despite of poor domestic performance. And my point was it is also true with current UCL, UEL and UECL and domestic cup competitions... So, in a way, domestic competitions are already irrelevent if you can somehow manage to perform really good in european competitions.
@@umairahmadkhan3792 but winning the UEL is much more of an achievement than finishing second from bottom in your super league group, they arent even remotely similar. If a team puts all there focus on the Europa league but loses the final and has a bad domestic year they get nothing which is much more jeopardy than there would be in the super league.
None of the big teams in their league will end up that far below, let alone Real Madrid. If one team has a secured spot in their leagues are Barca and madrid
wow bro ur so fast !!
Everyone at the FIFA and UEFA headquarters thought that they will have the pie all for them for all eternity . Interestingly now the big players recognised their own value outside of the UCL brand and said lets join hands and userp UEFA as a league of our own . Lets be honest we tune in to watch Real v Liverpool or United v Barca rather than UCL or FIFA world cup so 🤷 essentially its in UEFA and FIFA's hands they need to come clean ASAP .
Yes, it would decrease focus on domestic leagues but is that such a bad thing? If Madrid come 12th in Laliga and first in the Super league, that just wouldn't happen... Realistically if Madrid cam first in super league and 3rd in Laliga then yes they would still be on top in some regard but that puts enphasis on the fact that one not top domestic season doesn't knock you out because the team still has merit as it won the super league which is probably harder to win.
People should factor in the new CL format and how different is it really to the SL
If it were to come to a vote between SL vs current CL then I think the current CL is the clear winner
New CL vs SL however will probably divide opinions more
Imo the new CL would still clear easily as all the clubs can still compete in their domestic leagues. Also it actually still allows smaller clubs to go on a dream run, rather than just cutting out all underdogs and just having the big clubs in a completely different class that's impossible to break into.
I think the superleague format is superior to both, the old and new format of ucl.
Because it guarantees many games between the top clubs, and that's what I want to see. I do not watch most UCL games because of the lack of quality, as a fan I'm not interested in a Antwerp vs Qarabag, or even a Real Maddid vs Qarabag. I won't be watching those. But a Real Madrid vs Juventus? A Bayern vs Arsenal? Barcelona vs Liverpool? I'm in, I would watch ALL those games. That's what I want to watch as a fan. I understand that Antwerp fans like to see their team facing Barcelona for example, for the rest of football fans (including Barcelona fans) that's a shitty game to watch, that's why the number of viewers is so low.
That's why I think the top diivision of the superleague could be the best thing that eve happened to football.
@@martinmcmartinezface4243 who deciees the top division? Won't be based on merit. Going exactly against what the SL say they stand for. Why include United and Spurs by default? Why Chelsea? Just because they are rich and can market themselves?
It's an ambitious proposal not based on merit at all. Football isnt about that. Teams like Galatasaray and Copenhagen beat United this time around. Why won't they be represented?
@@daviddegea3373 what? Maybe you should look how the groups are composed, they are based on merit. English clubs like the ones you mentioned are not supporting the super leagie so for now they are not participating. Also, Chelsea is ranked in the top-10 of UEFA's coefficient, while Galatasaray is ranked #58.
But still, who says Galatasaray would not be included? If they classify, they have all chances just like any other team, even if as a Turkish club should not be participating in European competitions imo.
@@chiefbeef9905 bro did everyone take stupid pills, super league is meant to replace champions league not touch domestic leagues what the hell dont people understand about that.
so Barcelona and Real Madrid fight against the "monopoly" that created a monopoly around them
Well would the Super League get more views (= money) than the Champions League? I'm talking about every match, not just the elimination rounds. If so then it could compete with the Premier League. It's a shame for UEFA that their top competition for clubs is worth less than a national league moneywise, isn't it?
Sounds like 'its not perfekt for every one, therefore its a bad idea and we wont even try"
This is based on greed and has the basketball superleague as a model so it will never stop. The model is unworkable, would render the Premier League title moot for one and essentially have all clubs working for Real Madrid and Barcelona. Then there are technical errors: if 20 of 32 teams get relegated from tier 3 in practice you'd see mass desertion from clubs certain to be relegated.
We’re back baby!
Unpopular opinion here. I think there is scope for changing football in Europe to help leagues compete with the premier league. Smaller countries, for example Belgium and Netherlands could greatly benefit from merging their leagues. Increased competition means more money and just a better quality league all around. We already have this in England where Welsh teams play in the English league and I believe there might be one or two small Scottish clubs in the pyramid. The prospect of Rangers and Celtic joining the English system has been around for ages and I believe this would be mutually beneficial for both leagues. There was also talk of having an Irish based club in the English system. Point is we shouldn't be constrained by tradition or national borders. But these things should only happen if it is mutually beneficial to both leagues. Not just for the profit motive. So while I am against the super league for these reasons, I am not against radical reforms to help level the gap between the Premier League money and the leagues that are being left behind financially and I do think there is a need for some radical reforms.
You are comparing apples with bananas. Wales/Scotland are essentially part of the UK so its not that weird. Belgium/Netherlands are two separate countries, im from Portugal and our league except Benfica/Porto/Sporting/Braga is not very competitve but no way in hell we would merge with La Liga.
@@TiagoSilvaESC Many Welsh and Scottish people would take issue with your comment. They are their own countries. Britain is a union of four nations. Like a mini EU.
When the project for an Irish team joining the English system was attempted (in the 90's) it was the Irish FA that shot down the proposal. The English FA only backed the IFA out of solidarity..
I don't think Portugal and Spain merging would be a good idea. I believe the Portuguese league is strong enough to stand on it's own. A pan Scandinavian league could be another example. I wouldn't recommend this for political reasons but it can't be denied that when Yugoslavia existed they were stronger together than apart. When Catalonia was attempting independence a couple of years ago the idea was floated that Barcelona could join the French league.
I think the French league is the most troubling. Their clubs are really struggling for money with TV deals dropping drastically. Clubs in Europe may really come under threat for survival if some reform isn't made which I think would be a sad thing.
If reform is needed and would result in better competition then it's better to face the fact and construct a plan that benefits football in those nations rather than leaving it in the hands of people whose only motivation is how to make more money.
I'm from the Netherlands but the real problem isn't the level of competition. Its how the competition is being funded in the first place. The Super League was a reaction to the way UEFA ignored the increasement of foreign investors in the PL to the point mid-table teams started to compete even more with the top 6. The problem is that foreign investors are a much smaller presence in Spain, Italy, France and other nations that seek to achieve the competitive nature of the PL. If players are talented in these countries, there's a good chance a mid-table team in the PL will pick them up from their leagues therefore robbing those leagues of their talent. Madrid and Barca act altruistic but they know deep down that a Super League would massively hurt UEFA and the Premier League. Its a matter of staying competitive against unlimited funds (Chelsea, Man City, almost United, PSG, Newcastle utd etc)
@@disistheway2679Nah, Madrid and Barca just want another funding project so they could sway the eyes back to their league by buying new players with their new gold mine.
@@edmann1820Scotland is a country part of the UK. No one is taking issue with it. At least not a majority. We saw what happened in 2014
People focused all of their outrage on this instead of monarchies owning clubs 🥴
War criminal monarchies
The extra money Will dispurse down the leauges and improve them. Every season talent is drained from serie a, la liga and Ligue 1 in specific aswell as portugese leauge.
I think it’s a good thing, competition is a good thing in football why should UEFA and FIFA go year after year unchallenged, right now people are divided, some for the super league many against it. But the expectation is that this perception will soon change. If the ESL has a strong cap on spending and bring forward stringent FFP rules and have an independent authority to regulate the competition, then enforce strict penalties against clubs that don’t adhere to FFP, additionally to be able to watch games for free is also good imo, let’s all be open about change even though it’s hard at the beginning.
There are no clear good or bad guys in this situation it’s all bad as said in the video. I don’t think this NBA model from Wish will be implemented anytime soon BUT it’s interesting. I wouldn’t mind seeing more competitive football and Ik people will say diminishing returns, injury etc. but entertainment sells.
At the moment the Premier League is slowly killing all other national leagues. The Premier League is the most popular league, receives by far the most money, will therefore continue to attract the best players, and will just gain more global popularity. Without miracle players like Messi and Ronaldo, even La Liga is doomed. Effectively, the Premier League will be the Super League, and only young and second rate players will play in other competitions. This will also kill the Champions League, since it won't be interesting to see matches between rich English clubs and poor non-English clubs.
To fix this, all national leagues could be merged into a Premier League with three or four regional conferences. But it may already be too late.
Uefa now wants to change format ? Why they didn't do it before ? Everyone complains and nothing is ever done and all we hear is complaints . Now there is competition uefa wants to make changes.
Question for the Rabona TV guy, how did CL came about? Can you expand on your view that you respect the history not the Uefa or Fifa??? Kinda has no leg to stand on if you go and read the history and how the competition started and developed. If you respect that progression you would surely see its the same way as Perez is doing now.
Rabona is back?!
Ask players. Do they want to play already crowded games every week? When and where and how they can manage to do that!
OMG I'm realizing that football fans cant/wont read. DUDE super league is meant to replace the champions league. There would be no UCL games only super league, what's so hard to understand about that
@@eddybaez9413people don't read
Great take. Love that you included how there are concerns for the footballing world with the UEFA and FIFA monopoly, but also brought up how the Super League may not be the best solution. It really has to be said that while there are valid concerns on the corruption of football, the likes of Real Barca and Juve have all had their parts to play in destroying the integrity and competitiveness of their own domestic leagues and just want an easy way out.
Why did you mention R. Madrid as if they got caught doing something shady in their league?
The Superleague is the only proposed solution to keep the historic big clubs competitive against the premier league, otherwise the only clubs with the money to sign superstars are City, PSG and R Madrid
Psg and city could never talk about dodgy finances.
Oooooo that’s where the star blue gold came from hahahhaha
Although i'm still sceptical about super league. The resistance bonus is there because barca and madrid could have gotten banned from CL. High risk High reward
Adrian thank you for saying fellas and ladies, from a lady who grew up watching her dad between the sticks ❤
‘Resistance bonus’ basically pay themselves extra. Great way to get clubs to join your project 😂
It ain’t happening.
why can sporting merit only be determined by domestics support wouldn't not getting last in your group show your sporting merit
"it's not about saving football, it's about being able to compete with state-owned clubs" - that sounds exactly like saving football tbh. "Super league money won't change the gap, considering EPL still earns more domestically" - it 100% would. In absolute numbers maybe not, but what matter is comparable difference. Think 5 vs 105 and 105 vs 205 million, it cuts the difference in from 20x to 2x in this example.
or maybe other teams could run their own league better, who knows lol.
lol the time, effort, engineering, and expertise needed to create your own streaming platform would push this out by 5 years. This isn't something that can just start up because someone felt like it. They need a lot of momentum and buy-in from other clubs first, so it feels like it would not be a good product
Would be death of football . Imagin a team like Villa who could get top 4 with an run of form and a got crop of players but by the time they level up to the STAR league the players would have left ( probably for teams above £) or form would have dropped, manager leave and then would never be able to acc mount momentum with a squad like Liverpool or Leicester have in the past .
if teams like villa are in the same competition as real madrid, it already is a death of football. degusting peasant clubs and peasant fans...
That's exactly the problem. Mid-table clubs rn are relying on stars to align to go on a crazy, one-year run to the UCL quarter-finals... and get relegated 2 years later because of lack of income.
SL provides a platform (Blue league) for mid-table teams that go on a crazy run to earn good money if they do well enough on a yearly basis in the Blue league. It's much more sustainable for Getafe (8th in La Liga rn) to qualify for the Superleague and do well enough in years following to stay there than to qualify again every year from the national league
@@LucianC137😂 man just said Villa is a peasant club. Fucking clown
@@Jardermorderwhole load of waffle to justify anti competitive measures😂
@@Jardermorder my friend that’s the beauty of football. Ups and downs. Stars align. Teams fall new ones reign . What makes life unpredictable and exciting. I get what ur saying in terms of helping to sustain success but ur forgetting those at the top top who would always be guaranteed success at a much higher level with higher payouts. Leading to buying out other teams best player before they can get there etc etc and the cycle continues. Atleast now u have teams like Brighton or laverkusen where u can get success with the right formula and teams like manu and Chelsea who fail to get it right. U want a league where Chelsea and Real Madrid can get big payouts in the star league despite finishing low domestically. What does that teach
This is money generated from football not from estate contries, I support the proposal, this safes football for next 20 years
There is already a superleague in basketball and it's thriving.
😢if you put all big club in star league who gonna watch the other two and when these big club play each other every day several times that will kill all the excitement that we have with cl ..this idea is shhhhiit
for a viewer, Super League will be Awesome, way better than Championsleague but it will take some times to gain the prestige and everything. i personally think its a great idea to have more high qulity matches in EU football in a year but to make a fair play happen and every foorball club joining it will be long road
CMIIW :
Participation prize for blue league is 200 mil. But UCL winner prize is 180 mil. So participating in blue league give club more money than winning UCL.
Without ALL of Europe's big teams, the super league can't exist and there is no way you can persuade teams like Bayern to join. Or it would be really funny if the teams use the Super League as a training ground for their academy players and coaches. I'd lol my a.. off if they do.
Maybe only teams in the first national league can be in the Superleague.
When juventus literally got shafted and not getting mentioned was a tragedy
Never been this early in my life!
We are so back.
Perez is cooking a nice meal.
It's like the American league back in the Pele and George Best days?
I understand why Real, Juve, and Barca would want this because the premier league is becoming bigger and richer but this is just not the way to do it and the Super League will be played all over the world, so let's say you play on Wednesday in Sydney[Super league] then u have to play Liverpool in the [fa cup] on Tuesday next week and you play wolves on Saturday[premier league] and i already played on Mon in the carabao cup; jet lag, timezones, trainings, injuries, mental health, physiotherapy. players won't be at their best. Historic stadiums won't mean anything think about the Galatasaray stadium, the Dortmund wall, the Kopp, and players and managers have to choose which league is more important so they won't be at full fitness, juggling leagues and have to choose which league to play regulars. And the biggest point is; that BIG MATCHES WONT MATTER CAUSE THEIR PLAYED EVERY WEEK, THEY WILL BE NO RIVALRIES AND OR DERBIES CAUSE WE GET THAT EVERY WEEK and its not about us PLAYERS WILL STOP CARING OVERTIME. tf
So the same but the money goes to this two clubs
I think a European Super League could help the big teams in the small nations.
The Scottish clubs should join a European Super League.
Clubs like Glasgow Celtic, Glasgow Rangers, and Aberdeen could play in the European Super League.
Your position in domestic league shouldn’t dictate your eligibility to participate in European league.
And your example goes other way around too - should one season wonders like Girona/ Leicester be given a seat on the big table, given that it’s highly likely that they will lead to dud fixtures in european competitions
Wow wow wow there bud. What's that Man Utd jab. We are still one of the biggest clubs in the world, even if we've been in the wilderness for the past decade
What about the players? There are too many games
I wouldn’t be surprised if the super league goes on without premier league clubs or Scottish clubs, considering how this is an EU ruling, but also for the other clubs interested in joining, the whole point is to catch up with the PL. you can do that by trying to build a competition with brands that are just as strong if not much stronger than where the PL is. I hope Celtic and rangers can join but I don’t know how that would play out in the UK since they aren’t in the EU.
@@DiotimaMantinea-ml7tu Im aware they would thrive. I was talking about the legal issues that may arise from them not being in the eu
@@DiotimaMantinea-ml7tu I'm not sure what the revenue sharing models of these leagues are. Maybe they should consider making less money in the short term and spreading the money to the lower teams if they want to increase competition and viewership
Perez looks like a villain every time I see him
Can somebody get a hitman on Florentino Perez already? Please and thank you.
The thing that bugs me the most about all of this is how (mostly) prem heads throw a hate down on the SL, not because they are free and objective thinkers, but because the punditry at sky sports (and friends) completely inundate them with BS news that they then believe and then they regurgitate this fallacy not realizing that they exists in the only truly formed iteration of a current SL. There are 2 things I really hate in this world. Stupidity and Hypocrisy. This whole situation is flush with both.
At the moment we have... 3 clubs wanting to be part of the Super League against nearly 20 who have stated being against. This is flogging a dead horse unless all those clubs change stance. We will continue with the putrid monopoly of UEFA.
Bro looks like Benzema
I just want people to protest against uefa and FIFA like they are the super league
I am not opposed to a pan-European league as a concept but what I find most sickening is that UEFA pretends to be on the side of football and said something like “football is not for sale”…. Umm right so why did they change the format and desperately trying to make the tournaments bigger? If it’s not for money, then hey redistribute them to the clubs. The root cause for a breakaway is that clubs supply players and provide entertainment and only get a chunk of the big pie where as UEFA does fuck all and get a big pie and they also control how the pie is cut and shared!
In short each year only 2 spots are open to enter the superleague is sad its just greed for money they should fix their finances by selling players to balance books
im not a fan of billionaire owners and i dont like this super league. its just some chosen clubs getting loaded while all other clubs have to make do with what theyve got
Is it any different from now? 😂
The last club to win the Champions League outside the top4 leagues was Porto in 2004, before that you got to go way back to '95 with Ajax. I can't see it happening anymore, you got a cindarella getting to the QF/semis once in a while but in the end we already know wich are the clubs that will win the competition in the end (they're 8 at most)
@ins0mniac756 ...... all the super leauge will do is make it so its even harder for teams the like of Porto to win it all how fuckin dillusional can people be???
@@XUndergroundRap It won't change anything exept that the clubs will keep the money they earn from the visibility of the competition without having to pay UEFA a huge tangent
@@ins0mniac756it changes a lot makes the rich clubs richer as they will always stay at the top and small clubs like Girona could win the league and be put in the third division. The super league widens the gap and the UCL is based off merit and just making the UCL gives these small clubs a lot of money (although Uefa does takes a cut) with super league the gap would just grow wider and wider. The super league will ruin football
Isnt that easy uefa should just give more money for team that participate in ucl , uefa, n uecl bar real madrid, barcelona n juventus ?