Systems Thinking and Systems Washing with Mihir Mathur

Where I chat with my old friend, who also happens to be one of India's foremost applied System Thinking experts, working on sustainability and climate change.
01:45 Why do folks from finance and investing (I can give you so many examples)have a strong predilection to get into systems thinking? What is the relationship between thinking through the lens of finance and thinking in systems?
09:00 How have you reconciled how the system continues to chug along, creating a further mirage of continuity? Do you see that kind of anomaly or does it bother you as an anomaly or do you have a particular theory as to why it continues to chug along?
15:59 Do you have BS indicators to distinguish between systems washing and systems thinking?