SAUDI ARABIA will run a LoL tournament? / CHANGES to Worlds format - Summoning Insight S7E2
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- Disquieting news settled on the League of Legends esports world this week with new from Jacob Wolf that the Saudi Arabian government would be including League of Legends in their Esports World Cup in July, 2024. MonteCristo and Thorin discuss the history of the Saudi esports initiatives, including this past year's Gamers8 event, and what it means to have Riot approval for competition. Our hosts also unpack the latest LEC talent announcements, the changes to the Worlds seeding and format, the delays in announcing league schedules, and Riot's "Hall of Legends."
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Summoning Insight is the longest-running, most viewed League of Legends esports podcast in the world. Each week, hosts Christopher "MonteCristo" Mykles and Duncan "Thorin" Shields break down the most exciting matches from LEC, LCS, LCK, and LPL as well as interviewing professional players, coaches, casters, and journalists from around the world.
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This episode was filmed on January 10th, 2023.
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0:00:00 - Intro + LFN updates
0:12:30 - Saudi Esports World Cup
1:23:32 - LEC Talent announcement
1:46:55 - Problems with being a caster
2:08:00 - Where are the patch notes?
2:15:00 - Worlds 2024 announcements
2:24:30 - Hall of Legends + Dyrus didn't get paid by TSM?
2:34:48 - Discord Subscriber questions
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I will miss the consistent Dom + Thorin Best Damn League Show. But when Dom talking about wanting to do a bigger variety of stuff this year and escape his room more, it makes sense. Looking forward to the new year on LFN.
Dom has too much to co-stream
Thorin's literally yapping about absolutely nothing.
Congrats on the kid monte.
4 hours of Thorin and Monte ripping Riot. This is what I live for
I personally don't understand it. It is a private company.
It is their fucking money and they can spend it as they like.
Ripping on how you, me, Monte or this nincompoop thorin spend money is equivalent of ripping Riot.
People love gossip and talking shit about others. That passes for journalism these days.
@@user-ov5nd1fb7swhy are you but hurt
@@user-ov5nd1fb7s because what they do for example with wages is literally fucking illegal? are you braindead?
*makes new account to comment shit like this*
@@user-ov5nd1fb7s
@@user-ov5nd1fb7s A private company that has abused and bullied women in the workspace, affected the livelihoods of people, engaged in illegal or at least grey area employment practices, and that has massively sped up the fucked up corporate side of esports.
I appreciate the conversation about Saudia Arabia.. I have been confused and not keeping up with PGA + premier league. Hard to track these issues with everything going on. You made it informative but kept it fun. As usual great content!
You guys at LFN should partner with Quickshot !
It would be amazing to have him on best damn league show or else :)
Thanks Thorin and Monte for your authenticity
Love you guys
Making changes to worlds without adding double elim feels like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic...
Yup. Most apt description I've seen of the clownshow
worlds was horrible. they y need to change it
LMFAO
@@user-cf5cy8rb5y Really sad that MSI is undervalued compared to worlds despite being a much better tournament this year
Double elim is trash.
Hold on a second… They‘re actually not hiring Quikshot because of that 5 second silly dance video??? If that is the reason why, it’s the most disgusting decision the LEC has ever made. Might as well kick Sjokz next if she makes a joke in an Instagram story. 0 loyalty and 0 respect…
Wasn't Quickshot implying that he was doing more management now ? I might be wrong but I thought he was voluntarily taking a step back
@@sakyon6621Who knows with RIOT? Could be the classic amicable not-so-amicable parting of ways that companies like the usually do
Thanks for the content over the past decade, I have been here since Worlds 2013, choo choo all aboard the LFN train. I was bleak when Monte left for Overwatch, there was a void and I hope that void is always filled with the LFN network.
Regi and Dyrus are the George and Lennie of esports
I love that I can always count on you guys to comment all the (for me) relevant topics in esports. It's always interesting and always with passion. All the best for S7 and 2024 guys!
That mjolnir story MUST be a clip on social media man!
Thanks for always keeping it real with the Saudi stuff. Also sideshow is great. Would love to see him on future LFN content if you all expand to Val!
Comment for the algo, you guys are the goats for these convos.
Gulborg also tweeted we will be seeing less of him this year. If the dance was the reason Quickshot is not on the talent it makes sense for both considering Gulborg tweeted it.
high as a kite, more power to you :D
I normally listen on Spotify; thanks for uploading the episodes there by the way.
I wanted to thank you guys for the comprehensive breakdown of the Saudi stuff.
As a side note I personally miss Frosk casting/on the analyst desk, mostly from when she used to do LPL.
Same for me, thought she was really good in lpl and lec
The Listening on Spotify gang sends their gratitude
Love these guys
Congrats Monte
Congratz Monte!
Summoning Insight is the best CZcams show
What is the Quickshot thing?
I wonder if Dash will get the bag for hosting a Saudi event after getting done dirty by Riot
i don't know which is more impressive, 200 episodes or 10 years. My brain likes the 10 years better but i honestly don't know. Love the content as always.
Sideshow is the goat of TF2 casting, hope he returns one day just for one tournament
Never thought I'd see the day where I compared LS to Ben Simmons because of that soccer analogy lmao
The Hello Fresh code doesnt seem to work in Germany
57:36 love it hahaha
When it comes to standing up against NEOM and standing up against World Cup, I think one of the key factors that the reactions have been so different was the fact that Froskurinn was a part of the broadcast back then.
Love her or hate her, she was the prime political activist of esports.
Some time ago Thorin implied that there were people from LEC talent, that would take the NEOM deal if they didn't mess up the messaging and timing. Frosk was part of that talent. Might have been her. Just saying she might just be classic drama queen Karen.
Just a friendly reminder, that Monte has been taking Saudi money before, confirmed on the four horseman episode with esl faceit merger.
the best league of legends show
Quickshot Not in LEC ??? WHAT ?>?>>???
wait what social media drama happened with quickshot?
If you geezers want double elim at Worlds, put forward some real suggestions as the how to make the finals more fairly split for the winners bracket team. Getting side selection should be a given. DE works for FGC because the matches are much shorter hence there can be bracket resets.
Dota matches are longer but surely double elimination works there. And there is no bracket resets in TI
This episode was so good... I'm so sad that dom and thorin won't have a consistent show😢 they have the best dynamic in lfn. Also there was a lot of misinformation about Saudi tbh. I'm a Saudi guy &actually live in Riyadh haha. I wanted to make an AMA or a video about this, but I have never done any content creation so idk if I'd even get views
How do we know your not a government agent sent here to assist in censorship
Bjergson in 2014 was Faker in worlds 2013, he dominated but that doesnt mean he was top 10 because its NA but I would like you guys to do a list of the top 10 mids during 2014, we could have Faker, Pawn, Rookie, dade, Froggen, coco, xpeke, Cool, Ggoong and Bjergsen.
I will begrudgingly get a vpn so that Monty’s child does not starve o7
Wait wait can China or Korea get 5 slots for their region? 5 China 3 Korea for example if it’s China China at msi finals?
I continue to think like a plant, I guess, because this whole debate surrounding Saudi doesn't move me at all. By working these jobs or not working these jobs - there is no difference whatsoever to that the Saudi government does or does not do. I also am firmly of the opinion that the only way real change could meaningfully happen over there would take a long time and would require the culture from the ground up to shift - and prolonged exposure to to alternative cultures is much more likely to speed that change along rather than being isolated away from differing cultures. And it is a cultural thing - Islamic nations very clearly tend towards authoritarian governments, and extremely conservative laws that constrain gay/women's/trans rights.
Meanwhile, it's nice when we get big events and when money gets injected into the scene we enjoy. I agree the people who morally grandstand about these things, and make a point of using the logic that any association with a thing whatsoever is an endorsement of it, should be judged for not standing by those loud principles when it will require sacrifice of them, but that's about it. The expectation for anyone to turn down a life-changing career advancement or forever abandon any notion that they care about human suffering or equality is so childishly broken it's barely worth responding to.
Agreed. I also think it's better to expose the people to different cultures than let them be isolated, but I also recognize that it realistically doesn't amount to much.
In the end, the only real issue is: are you going to stand by your words and so-called 'principles?' If your intention is money, don't make a huge point about your values and moral highground, when you're going to go where the bag is, anyway.
I think the hall of fame should have people like dyrus bjerg dl sneaky meteos hai from na in it. Not because they were top players in the world even tho arguably at a point some were, but because they are LEGENDS of NA , admittedly I know less about older lec but xpeke froggen people like that should also get in. They are legends of eu. I think it should account for legends from all regions, the conversation of "hes better and hes not in" will always happen no matter what you do but if its gonna be you can only get in off international success than its like 5 people outside of lck lpl and it should instead be each leagues personal hof instead which is just more boring imo
Riot had a monopoly on international tournament, but with the Saudi tournament has an amazing format (double elim, better group stages) it would be the first time Riot's hand might be forced to move.
Riot isnt forced to do anything, they own the rights to the game, they play God. I can see where you are coming from but I dont believe Riot will do anything different.
Someone gotta @ Dominate on Monte saying Bjerg was never a top 10 mid laner in the world
T1 vs KC fans , koreans vs the french , place your bet boys , i hate to say it but the french will beat the sht out of the kpop fans
Now this is a fight worth watching from far, far away
French are known for surrendering so free money on the kpop fans.
So i love Thorins point about familiarity between regions and esp the G2 example of Yike not beeing familiar with the LCK/LPL teams and even NA teams to that.
So at worlds ive got to say it was a huge handicap for G2 in having a rookie JGL like Yike who had little to no experience playing against certain players and their playstyles.
Its never gonna happen but the only way i ever see western teams beeing competetive with asian teams is if they keep playing them maybe not on a daily basis but atleast on a weekly/bi weekly basis.
That's why we have regions they can view vods thats what makes it fun its pretty common in most sports
@@recommended1782 Stop comparing E-sports to regular sports causse they are nothing alike.
And no its mostly just Football that has that , look at Hockey theres only 1 league in the world , Handball has 1 region in the world that matters, Skiathlon/Biathlon has 1 league.
Most sports are actually not big enough to have more then 1 competetive region and thus stuff like World Cup is inferior to the league titles.
What is most common and what is most succesfull for a viewer perspective (E-sports is much more of a entertainment sport then a competetive sport atm) is to have more teams be competetive and theres only oneway to achieve this and that is to have more cross region games played per year. (How they solve that is up to smarter and better ppl then me)
Riyadh Masters paid more than TI that same year. Team Spirit is rolling in money.
2:25:50 season5?
Anyone fancy updating me on the quickshot drama
so we will see less of IWD? that really sucks. im not happy
Dang yeah now we'll only get to see him when he co-streams 3 major regions, plays solo queue, co-hosts Power Spike, and appears on other podcasts.
yo try to find a life@@andrewhibbard7406
Meanwhile Monte and Thorin's favorite man Carlos is directly working with Saudis and converted to Muslim XD
thorin, please let monte finish a thought...
Riot truly are the Overlords of esports. The stories you guys share and the stories one hears elsewhere when talking to people are wild. They really know how to use their power to create some juicy profits for their Chinese owners.
But concerning the Saudi World Cup casters salaries: If I was organizing a League tournament in Saudi I wouldn't hire Riot affiliates as casters anyway. The first two I'd call with my bags of money in hand would be Caedrel and LS. Turn it into every fan's wettest dream.
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1:25:00
2:33:15
1:30:35 what is the reason they are talking about for why quickshot disappeared from worlds? "social media bullshit"? something about israel/palestine?
troubleinc got blackballed for a year because she said dajor was good
Why is Dom not being in every episode now?
Reading between the lines, sounds like fatigue. Either from the show in particular or from being in so many talkshows given the all the co-streaming he does on the side.
They talked about it at some point : at 1:52:00 czcams.com/video/sOnnUgRunVs/video.html
Saudi stuff is so frightening, I hope this gets enough attention so more and more people will actively not participate in their schemes, be it as a developer, player, viewer or anyone that has a possibilitty to say "Yes" to Saudi.
The west will do anything for money. Remember we have a deal with them for 50 years now. Boycotting them is just like boycotting China its useless
LOL stop being a paranoid freak.
Not gonna happen because "integrity" and "principles" are just buzzwords to most people to make themselves look better but all they care about is money and power. Have fun watching everyone switching their profile picture to a pride flag for a month while working and enjoying Saudi events later. At the same time coming up with excuses why "it's okay" or "different" but continuing to scold, lecture, call out and hold accountable everyone but themselves.
PGAtour got dismantled by Saudi wallet. Esports stands no chance it's like a 10 year old defending against intruder with a whiffle bat. You got heart kid but u going to get crushed. Good luck fighting the Saudi who are ok with just dumping money for engagement without ever seeing financial return.
Saudis a bunch of thugs who became billionaires from oil and want to impose their will on everyone else.
Ahahah they barely can resist chinese money buying western developers now they are going to tell me they can boycott oil money??
talk about saudi jailing then laugh at the USA.... its happening in Canada too... The freedom convoy was a peaceful protest that ended with plenty in prison, and frozen bank accounts just for helping out truckers.. get real guys. it literally is happening here.
"peaceful protest" lmao they were literally blocking trade and costing the country billions, that's not peaceful protesting, that's economic terrorism. Yet if Trudeau just let those morons tank the economy, you people would still find a way to blame him.
Plus these westoids complain about censorship in china while we literally have here on american playforms lmao
Monte and Thorin likes to ignore the West and cry about other countries.
Difference being that snake prime minister isn't paying for an esports event.
With SA there isn't even abstraction anymore. It's not complicated and there are no technicalities. The exact same people that command abominations hand out the paychecks.
no point in time where Bjergsen was a top 10 mid in the world is an insane take from Monte, he was easily top 10 during 2014-2017, top 5 at certain points even. TSM fans broke Monte's brain I guess
When Quickshot is not in have "fun mode".. dude was awesome and one of the best.. Happy to see Ender go.. I turned off the broadcast whenever he was on with his mememememe sh1t and fruity ass costumes
Oh and i am the complete opposite of monty.. Quickshot was bad/in fun mode when he was WITH ENDER
The lec talent is a bunch of nobodies
Saying Bjergsen was never a TOP 10 mid EVER in the world is pretty insane, the talent pool was not as deep in 2013-2015 and looking at individual performances when he played internationally, that’s quite a wild take to say he wasn’t even TOP 10
Bjergensen was not good internationally, he was never the best mid from NA internationally out of the other NA mids, that was Hai nad espetially Jensen.
2014 is the only time you can make the argument for him being top 10 in world and it will still be very hard.
@@stefankatsarov5806sure he wasn’t peak performance most internationals but the talent pool in 2014-2016 was for sure not so deep to the point he wasn’t top 10 lmao, he was solo killing crown in 2016 and more than holding his own vs Xiaohu and such
Bro? I've watched League since Season 1 "worlds" Dreamhack basement and there's no way you can FOR SURE put Bjergsen in Top 10 in the world in that timeframe.
He played in a significantly weaker region. It wasn't even loaded up with VC money. There were at least 3 mids in Europe that were better than Bjergsen, at least 3-5 in Korea and were hard carrying at the time. Let's not forget about china as well, depending on timeframe 1-3 outstanding mids.
And your boy Bjergsen was getting bodied by XWX. Get a grip boi.
I remember Bjergsen regularly lost counter match ups (he has the counter) against Korean mids and even to EU mids. @@AqwJermeTheassisan
LOL
Idk why thorin keeps shitting on that drx team winning worlds , yes its fine to shit on weibo this yer if they won , but drx their run was legit , every player smurfed , and they beat Rng and Tes and Edg and Geng which were the favourites to win at the time , then they won against T1 , its not fluke or something , weibo won one series vs an asian team , drx were legit at worlds
Because most people know that GenG and T1 choked their asses off. Which is true. It doesn't mean they don't deserve it.
@@monsieurdirte1714so EDG chocked too lmao??
0 fucks given about SA. Just play league. Im not here to impose my cultural and political beliefs on the world. I just want to see lol esports. We don't stop SA from competing in the olympics. My only problem would be competitive integrity.