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How not to hit the reef! The Forward Looking Sonar - Tips on Tuesday / Sailing Aquarius
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- Aquarius was fitted with an Echo Pilot 2D forward looking sonar. We use the Echo Pilot every time we are close to shore, or in areas with a depth less than 30 to 40 meters. The Echo Pilot has saved us from hitting the reef two times, and made us feel safe while anchoring, and moving the boat in shallow waters.
This is a short video about how the Echo Pilot works, and how we used it.
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We have the Echo Pilot 2D Professional
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You have to choose the Professional model which is $460 more than the standard unit. I believe the only difference is the transducer.
I’m sold! Now all I need is a boat.
Thank you guys for this info, I will buy one very shortly. I hit a rock over Easter and nearly sunk the boat. Also I will open my eyes wider when she is back in the water...
Al 👍
Good idea 👍 Stay safe and fair winds!
Hi guys, your videos are coming along nicely. I agree about the forward sonar, I think its indispensable and a must when travelling through atolls and unchartered areas. It is something I will be installing when I buy an Amel in the coming months. One suggestion though? Maybe don't give insurance companies any ideas about mandatory equipment, it will be another added cost to an already costly way of life! Many yachts have done well without them, some not so much. I for one will definitely have it, especially as my wife and I will be short handing. I don't have the luxury of a crew to send up in the bosun's chair to look out over yonder for bommies. Thanks guys and fair winds:)
Hi Dan, Thanks for the comment! Now that I have sailed with, and without a forward looking sonar, I seriously think it should be a requirement. I know some of the captains out here will say "O, you don't need it", or "They don't work", or "I sailed around the world 8 times without one, and I never touched or hit a reef". I have heard a lot of crap, but I try to call balls and strikes as I see them. And I think it an absolute MUST HAVE, if you want to be safe in shallow areas. Best, Ken
Wow , that’s the best FLS video with explanation I have seen on CZcams. I was thinking of switching from Raymarine to B&G just to get FLS. I’m going to get the echopilot now. Sailing in Scandinavia I have been looking for one of these that actually works. I can not understand why people don’t think it’s important or necessary to have one. In my view it’s essential. Also, I just found your channel a couple of days ago. Subscribed. Stay blessed and fair winds. Your friend from Norway.
Contact them direct, echopilot.com, they are in Denmark. Tell them you heard about Echo Pilot from Sailing Aquarius! Thanks
Really interesting video and great to see someone that has got the thing working in a useful way. We have B+G forward sonar integrated in our chart plotter on our Lagoon450 and were expecting to see 80m ahead - not expecting to be able to avoid a submerged container at 9knots or anything, but hoping to be able to creep into shallow anchorages. After trying it out a lot, we now dont bother as the results we were getting were less than expected. Going back to the guys who put it in we were told the sonar only sees a max 4 times the depth ahead, so say we were in 4 metres (we draw 1.3) that gives 16 ahead, less than a boat length given the transducer is about 3m back from the bow. I can see that with deeper depths and vertical bommies the sonar will be useful, especially if the water is a bit murky and thus the big yellow things less visible. But in shallow water ..... Nice vid and the drone stuff awesome.
You are correct in saying in shallow areas, say 4 meters, we would only be able to see out 16 to 30 meters. But, if we were in 4 meters I would be inching forward unless I know it was sand, and flat below me. I find the forward looking sonar an absolute must have!
Thanks for the info Ken. Please keep these type of videos coming.
Another beautiful and useful video
Thanks Ken for that Video, It was nice to see an FLR in a real world situation. I agree with you, a "must have" for exploring off the beaten track. Stay safe and thanks for bringing us along for the ride.
40 years ago .... it was eyes high in the mast with polarized Ray Ban sun glasses.
Interesting, I’ve only ever read one article about fls and it concluded that it wasn’t worth having as by the time the signal returned and you were alerted to an obstacle you would have already hit it! Even at low speed! Thanks for sharing and safe passage.
Thank goodness for drones. They enhance every sailing video. Get the best drone you can and learn to use it to dramatic effect! I can imagine a drone with station keeping, set to hover xx meters ahead of the hull, giving the Captain a view of the grounding hazards the FLR warns about. Thanks for a nice vid, but watch for glare when shooting flat surfaces. The FLR screen was impossible to understand until late in the video when the boat finally came out of the screen area washed out by the glare, and suddenly I saw the relationship between the hazards and the hull. BTW, the screen shot would have been better from closer up. All told this is a valuable showing of a valuable piece of kit. Thanks!
The 70's intro music and cheesy graphics looks straight out of 'Anchor man' Ron Burgundy would be proud. "Stay classy" LOL
I like it a bit different. If everyone put out the same stuff it wouldn't be interesting anymore. Thanks for the nice comment! Ken
Nicely done
Thanks Rob!
Thanks Captain Ken, very informative. Looks like those things will become the "next AIS" onboard a yacht
Thanks for the comment! There are countries, like Indonesia, that make it mandatory to have AIS onboard. And, since the charts are SO bad in Indonesia, I think FLS should be mandatory as well.
Very informative. Thank you
Great new type sonar I always thought would be safer to have onboard if invented. I am old schooled sailor ..could not see much the screens of your first takes but it's good to know this works and can be installed now. Best buena suerte !
Wow. An actual sailing video back-to-back! Love it!
You should create a "sub-channel" with repair, sailing. These are quite interesting.
That was good Ken. Thanks! SK in the UK
Glad you enjoyed it
Excellent video. Thanks for posting.
the earlier models were hopeless , good to see they have improved. I put a fine S/S skeg in front of ours to protect it but it was only good for 20 to 30 meters ahead & not that clear , 10 years ago.
👍 Great info thk’s
Very interesting. That certainly paid for itself. I wonder what the next generation upgrade will provide, a possible 2d image of what's in front?
I like these tech videos. Thanks.
They make a 3D version, but it's much more expensive. I think the 2D version is good enough for me. Sometimes I'll turn from side to side, and do a loop when looking for a good place to drop the anchor.
@@SailingAquarius 👍
Thanks for the tip
More details would be great!
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Have you ever spotted a connex with the sonar?
Do they come with alarm or do you have to just keep looking at it?
Great info very well done too👍!!
Thank you,
Foruno has a mult-beam sonar actually gives a topographical, you can see a school of fish clearly, developed fishing latest greatest. Don’t forget about radar that can detect birds 🦅 lol...
You make a great case for steel hulls???, I can custom make 2.8!!
simrad fls is about $700
Absolutely love your boat. I'm very happy for you that you can afford that boat and the lifestyle you live. You give me motivation:) Thank you for taking the time to create, edit and post these videos! I'd like to see you make a video about how the propeller works..it's really cool how you don't need a reverse gear in your transmission, the prop does it for you. Is there any way you can add a point to the charts showing everyone without fls can see the hidden reefs you've found uncharted? It's so awesome that you back up your fls with a visual from the drone. Is there any way you can build a cage to protect the fls transducer?
We do have a reverse gear in the transmission, just the prop changes shape for the revers gear. Also, it changes shape if we are not using the engine. No way to protect the transducer, if I put something in front of it it would reflect the sound creating noise. You have good question Master!
Best sailing advice channel! Your own opinion, for lagoon 45ft cat with 1helm station raymarine e125w display on board. Should i get Echopilot FLS Platinum only utilize raymarine display or Prof Transducer with display?
I prefer a completely separate system for the FLS. I would not feel safe flying an aircraft with one screen containing all the information. This is why I like the Echopilot, completely separate system. You turn it on in shallow areas, and you feel much safer. And, trust your FLS more than the maps. If the FLS sez 2M, don't go in unless your moving at less than 1 knot on a rising tide. Ken
Great video! So it dosen't pick up log or submerged or partially submerged object in the water?
YES, it would see them
wow thanks for that I want to buy boat in near future but it put me off buying grp boat just because I did not want to finish like for example Tanda Malaika this device is must I totally agree about that, but how come so many channels on yt and no one is talking about ? no one has one ? I was consider alu or steel boat because of fear hitting something but with this device I would be more confident I agree with you 100% evey boat must have it, s many lost dreams just because they sailors did not have one
Hello Chris, The final resting place of Tanda Malaika is shown at 6:20 in our Huahine video czcams.com/video/J_kU7l_4yL4/video.html. The unfortunate end for Tanda Malaika was the culmination of several mistakes, not just one, and would not have been averted by an additional piece of hardware. The simple fact is Tanda Malaika last course took them straight over a well marked reef. If Tanda Malaika had a radar on they would have seen the reef, take a look at 20:47 on czcams.com/video/qR2uozmTBmM/video.html, this shows Aquarius coming up to Beveridge Reef. You can see the reef with radar at least 5 miles out, but you can only see the reef with FLS 80 to 100 meters out. ----OPINION---- Being that no one should be sailing at night, 80 meters from the windward side of a reef, the forward looking sonar should not have been considered a useful piece of equipment at the time of impact. Aquarius sailed by this area three times, and every time we were at least 5 miles from the reef. The FLS is used when you think there might be something there, and you are watching EVERYTHING you got to try to stay away from shallow waters. FLS will not help you if you believe you're in 1500 meters of open ocean. Safe Sailing, and fair winds!
how good do you believe this sonar is at detecting floating containers in the open ocean?
We use sonar in shallow Anchorages and passages. I guess you have to spot that container in the middle of the ocean yourself 😁
Very enjoyable video. Why not discuss the units available for sailing vessels and the costs. Is installation difficult? Can an owner do it, or does it require professional help. Thanks for the video & stay safe.
I'll try to do this in a different video.. Trying to keep them short for the Tuesday Tips. Thanks for watching! Fair Winds
Great video and thank you for the learning video. Where image you located in this video. The water was like you were floating on air. Thanks
We were anchored inside the French Polynesia, Makemo Atoll, the East side.... The location is shown in the video.
Hi Ken just have a question about the Echo pilot 2D unit. Can we have the information show on our Garmin chart plotter through Nema 2000 network with split screen viewing like we do with our radar etc. Your Vespar AIS unit I believe you mentioned and I just want to clarify does the Vespars wifi repeat your chart plotter info over wifi and allow you to pick it up on your iPad. Right now we have a Garmin 5212 that is ten years old and the Garmin wifi repeating add on is over $500. If this is true then it would save us having to buy that add on. We have really enjoyed watching you guys from the start and love all your tec Tuesday’s and boat tours you have done! Keep them coming!! Thanks
Sandra and Dave
Sv Secondwind
Hello Dave nad Sandra,
Thanks for watching our videos! If you connect the Vesper XB 8000 to the NEMA 2000 network, the Vesper will relay all the NEMA 2000 information over wifi. And, this information can be used on ISailor, or many other sailing Apps. I like our Vesper, and I am fairly happy with the performance. The only problem I have with our Vesper is that sometimes the Vesper hangs up, something to do with the software. This is rare, but has happened over 6 times over the past few years. Given this fact, I would still buy the Vesper XB 8000. If you have additional questions, let me know. Sorry about the slow start on the Tips on Tuesday, but a new one will be out soon.
Ken
Sailing Aquarius Around The World we looked at the hand held vesper unit at the Annapolis boat show this year and was impressed by it being remote like a phone and all the things it can do! It’s still pretty pricey since this part is new to the scene but we like the idea of being portable! The USA dollar is killing us Canadians lol. We have a very old vhf down below and a standard horizon handheld portable unit we keep in the cockpit. We will need AIS before we head out cruising so this is on our list of must haves. Will see if they are at the Toronto boat show in January. Hope you are enjoying a nice warm day as it’s cold here in Ontario. At least whatever snow we had melted on our sunny above freezing winter
I am in Vegas at the moment hanging out with mom. So, it is kind of warm right now, but not as warm as Batam Indonesia where we left Aquarius. Batam is 20 miles South of Singapore. AIS is a must have on a cruising vessel! And, I think Vesper XB 8000 has some cool features! Fair winds, and hope to meet you out here sometime soon! Ken
Thank you! I have been waiting for a video on FLS and cruising yachts! Does it have a feature that sounds an alarm at certain depths?
Yes, and I have mine set to 5 meters. That is the beeping sound you hear when we were leaving the anchorage North of Lombok.
@@SailingAquarius That was my guess depth. 😆. That thing appears to be worth its weight in gold! Thank you !!!
I have forward looking sonar, but I'm also working with the AquaLuma company to design a forward looking HD camera also for and even better look.
I'll have to look into AquaLuma.
They currently make the Luma-Vu Camera, but it looks down not out. I asked them to design a forward looking model for me. Maybe if more people show interest it will actually get done. I think there would be a big market for it.
Hi Paul, I just looked at the website for AquaLuma, and saw they are big in Marine Lighting. Maybe you can help me... I am looking to remove the forward steaming light, and the bow deck light from the mast, and place these lights on the lower spreaders. The AquaLuma Spreader Light 12 looks like a good option. If I put two on each lower spreader, one forward facing (Steaming Light) one down facing (Deck light). This would be a total of 4 spreader lights on the main mast. I may do the same on the mizzen as well with two downward facing lights for the aft deck lights. Please let me know your thoughts. And, where can I buy these lights in Thailand, and the USA?
Thanks,
Ken
Hi Ken,
They definitely make a good product and I think you would be happy with them. Their main headquarters are in Australia. I don’t think they have a direct distributor in Thailand, but they do sell globally. I work with Alexander Bader in Boca Raton, FL. She has direct communication with the owner, Grant and can definitely take care of you. Her email is: alex@aqualuma.com. +1 610-772-0155
I’m guessing it won’t see floating logs, as you hit one in Columbia? Could it have been user error, or was it not functioning at the time?
I don't turn the Echo Pilot on in water more than 50 meters. Therefore it was not in operation when we were 10 miles off the coast of Columbia where we hit the log.
@@SailingAquarius Thanks for the answer, that makes sense. If the Echo Pilot were on, do you think that you would be able to find, fix, and avoid it?
@@Nunyabizn3ss It is doubtful that you would react to a log floating on the top of the water. Echo Pilot gives us alarms for fish and other items all the time, and we don't react to every alarm. The Echo Pilot is great for shallow conditions during an entrance to an Atoll, or finding a good place to drop the hook. But, it's not good for seeing some floating object in open ocean, unless you're expecting something could happen.
@@SailingAquarius Right, that makes sense. Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions and for your excellent video. Subbed.
@@Nunyabizn3ss Thanks for the Sub!
Yeah, that should really be standard equipment for keel boats
yes,,i could understand insurance companies insisting on them if they were standard fitting ,,, but still the expence of retro fitting on older boats.
Two types of sailors, those who have touched bottom, and liars. :-)
O, I have touched, I won't lie about that.
Forward looking sonar is Perfect , if you navigate around shallows and reefs
But your comment about insurance and forward looking sonar and circumnavigation is complete lunatic !
why explain to us ?
@@CHRIS198490
because the remarks about insurance companies and forward looking sonar is ridiculous !
And who is us ?
@@zasde35 viewers
Great information. I was looking at their 3D version too. Does the system draw much power? The newer radars use only 12v, hoping this does too! Cheers
I have not noticed the power usage when using the Echo Pilot, because it's less than 1 amp at 12V. This would imply less than 0.5A at 24V. According to Echo Pilot's website the unit is available in 12V and 24V models.
I read the thumbnail, " how not to hit a reef" you mean to tell me there is a propper way to hit a reef? 🤣🤔
Sooooo, you like the Echo Pilot 2d??????
You bet!
Ovitalmap Satellite map it's free on App Store get ur shit together !!
But it's Wednesday :-)
Lol, still end of Tuesday in US ☺️ Where are you at?
@@SailingAquarius The other side of the date line :-) (Australia)
We are in same place (Indonesia) but all our CZcams is planned US time, where’s majority of our channel audience...
thats great if you want to give me 1K $ for a unit ..
They are a bit more than USD$1K. Probably more like USD$1.6K for the unit, and not sure about the installation, but you will have to put a hole in the boat.
@@SailingAquarius Better to put a hole in your boat at a time and place of your choosing. Thanks for the video.
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