1675 Can Bio Diesel Work In An Ordinary Kerosene (Paraffin) Stove?
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Just throwing it out there Robert: Those Chinese Diesel Heaters made for heating RVs, Semi cabs, trucks, ect.. are fascinating and useful devices. I own 5 and have done various experiments on utilizing their exhaust heat and alternative fuels as well while also heating my porch, vehicle, garage, and greenhouse here in Michigan, USA. The 8kw units create approximately 27,000 btu and are 95%+ efficient and can be remotely mounted with remotely mounted 12vdc supply and remote mounted fuel tank and pump. I've fueled them with diesel, kerosene, used motor oil, and a combination thereof while getting amazing efficiency, in fact I discovered that I could recover approximately 15,000 btu from the exhaust pipe using an old cast iron radiator from a steam heat system which allowed me to boil water and heat a large water tank simultaneously. Where it really shines is in my greenhouse as I created an exhaust pipe system underground that takes advantage of the primary as well as the waste exhaust heat for heating the air as well as the ground underneath which allows for fantastic growth on a budget.
oooo i was just talking to my mrs about using these in our motorhome and utilizing the exhaust somehow to further heat the underfloor in the winter... bravo
@@yaka2490 i have one in my camper and. Cheap Chinese version on my shed that i fuel on waste engine oil and or used cooking oil 👍
I've seen a few people use a pool heater to recover exhaust heat , i was planning on using an EGR cooler to experiment with 🤔
Bravo !!!!!!
Have you tested the feasibility of growing your own fuel crop?
@@seabeepirate my first instinct is to use hemp 👍👍so many other uses for plant as well.
Oil-drip stoves are just wonderful bits of kit. They have their dangers for inside a home but I bet careful design can mitigate those, and then I'd bet they could use either biodiesel or the glycerol waste, or pretty much whatever you have to-hand!
I really like the idea of being able to use different fuels for heating. I just want to echo the same concerns that you have as well, while it may work, there's a lot of potential issues with incomplete combustion as well as risk of carbon monoxide, so anyone looking at this should be sure to have plenty of ventilation when using this and avoid using it inside the home. Make sure you have a working carbon monoxide detector if you plan to use these inside anything.
@@marcfruchtman9473 And there's an immediate danger of setting fire to a running liquid.... But a version IS used regularly in narrow-boats which have to pass a safety check, so I'm guessing there's a right way to do it that I'm unaware-of until I look properly.
I agree mate and I like the idea and as you have pointed out there are narrow boat versions so it is already proven tech
I've seen people soak bricks in diesel over night, and then set them on fire. Supposedly 1 brick can burn for a few hours
I just love the simplicity of that
We did makeshift bug torches, just sand and diesel in a coffee can. About the same I guess?
Robert,
Your Biodiesel looks as if it may still have water in it from the washing stage. It should be completely clear like the wine or what ever is in the wine bottle and about the same colour as well . My first batch was like the stuff you put in the stove but after it had been left in the garage for a week it went crystal clear. I would see what it's like in a week, the water should drop to the bottom. Great channel by the way I love all your video's right up my street as they say. The water would make it burn poorly see how it goes after it clears the stuff should burn better.
Gary
Was going to say the same thing ... I believe you could actually hear steam forming...
Latent heat of evaporation is robbing a lot of output.
Much like trying to burn a wet log.
I did rush it to do this video so I think you are quite right mate - cheers
Hence the orange c o lour to the flame .
I did, I enjoyed that almost as much as yoy seem to, thay is a good thing your enjoyment is infectious
lol - cheers mate
That was excellent.
Sometimes a modification to the gas generator, by flattening it slightly can cause better gas generation because it reduces the internal cooling of the oil.
I'm looking at a variation of this for cold pressed coconut oil.
Can you please elaborate what you mean?
@@emel60 A round pipe or tube has the maximum internal cooling. If that tube is flattened slightly there is less internal cooling and heat transfer from the outside will more efficiently gasify the fluid in the tube.
The purpose of the gas generator is to transfer the heat from the outside into the fluid, and with a more viscous (less volatile) fluid, it may need some help.
The gas generator in a primus stove was designed to work with a very specific API gravity range. Changing the fluid will work, if the generators dimensions are modified to suit.
Does that help?
nice tip mate - thanks for posting
If the biodiesel is not properly de-gummed it will carbonise in the vaporising coil and block up the jet. Need to add something like polyether amine to the fuel to wash it out before deposits form. Due to the shape of the vaporiser making it difficult to brush thru , it might need removing for ultrasonic cleaning if deposits to form. Biodiesel also attacks some rubbers making them swell. What type of rubber 'o' rings are in the Primus pump?
Very interesting points there. Thanks.
nice points mate and thanks for making them - in answer I have no idea
I don't believe you've covered Babington burners, which would work with thicker fuels.
you are right mate I haven't
Bio diesel technology will play a bigger part of our future energy needs. But energy loss is a more important challenge with bigger potential gain. I'd love to see you investigate an easy, low-tech way of making insulation with a high r value can can be easily retrofitted for the diy market. If you can manage this you'll be a hero in the UK and elsewhere.
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love it robert well down i have no doubt you will get this running in the rocket stove onwards and upwards
I know what you mean mate - but you know me - a stubborn SOB lol
Awesome mate. I wonder if it'll work in a homemade copper coil jet stove. It should I think. Perhaps adding a little bioethanol would give a cleaner burn. Also as you mentioned using veg or waste oil to use in the rocket stove. There are tons of videos on waste oil heaters. One is veg oil guy. So simple. Drip the oil in, get it hot, then add air, usually a tiny blower like a mattress inflator. Some even manage it without the air. There's one Japanese guy making a tornado version where it's so clean burning, its got blue flames. Some awesome stuff.
that is awesome - I must look him up
@@ThinkingandTinkering creative inventions lmtn has many videos showing blue flame, burners, heaters, stoves etc. Veg oil, waste engine oil, almost anything.
I'm searching the answer over decades.... Thank you. Now I could buy one diesel stove...
I went to buy some oil for my fryer yesterday, promted by your videos probably. £5 for 3 ltrs was the cheapest. I couldn't believe it but then I could at the same time.
wow - the guy next door sells me his used oil for 5p per litre
Thanks Robert. I live off grid and have used such stoves (I have a small collection, two are multifuel) for 14 years now. A little bit more consistency in producing the biodiesel and/or a different jet should get you a nice blue flame. Hoping to see a video where biodiesel is used in a conventional kerosene heater such as a Kerosun brand kerosene heater.
Bravo! This is a real exciting exploratory path. Given that much poop has hit many fans in our world, this might alleviate a bit of suffering.
cheers mate
I made biodiesel years ago but found that the price of methanol made it uneconomic to pursue once I used up my supply of cheap stuff. Definitely still the case in my country so it makes me think of good methods of to make methanol from biomass through pyrolysis and distillation. The promise of cheap methanol from biomass does not appear to have been realised unfortunately although I still hold out hope.
Cheers mate.
well we can hope mate and cheers too
Awesome! 👏 Thanks for the Sunday laugh
lol - my pleasure mate
Reminds me of the diesel burning stoves we had for field exercises in Korea back in the Army in 1987. But caution is correct, I watched my 1SG flash vaporize his eyebrows, poof, relighting an already hot stove. Hair raising experience for him.
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Used diesel in a primus stove in 1981 camping in the rockies.
awesome
Has anyone else noticed the UK price of bottle refills of lpg gas hasn't gone up in price,why is that?
I hadn't noticed - that is interesting
@@ThinkingandTinkering it's the same price as last year but why
I wasn't surprised that the burner worked. What surprised me is hearing the thudding bass from music being played somewhere else, just audible in the audio channel.
lol - yeah that is my neighbour - he likes music while he works - drives me mad - but c'est la vive lol
Just a note for anyone taking this further, get an O2 monitor. From real world application, me getting this directly from those involve. A small construction company that would take on fairly large projects sometimes decided to try running their diesel water pumps on bio diesel. I'm talking about sizeable pumps, 6 and 8 inch trailer mounted, 4 ton pieces of equipment. Of they were placed at the low point of the job for dewatering, in a little grove. They would start dying after an hour or so. The mechanic/fabricator/innovator, could not figure out the problem as it was intermittent and they would start right back up after a short time. Now warm summer heavy air days, but the exhaust was literally displacing the oxygen enough the engines would not run. This was confirmed by an O2 monitor, which if I remember from my hazmat days solid tones at 19%. All the stoves will say "well ventilated area", but we know how that goes. Just be aware of the heavier exhaust.
nice tip - cheers mate - probably a good idea to look at carbon monoxide sensors too
Absolutely.
Nice video. Would you try giving the lowest possible pressure to the tank? For example just 5-6 strokes. Take into account that diesel burners use a dripping low-flow system. Maybe the lowest possible pressure make the same work. Cheers!
I had thought of a wick based lamp for the bio diesel originally but that was like the kerosene burners by Coleman. So good job. I hope your rocket stove works. The only kind of burner I experimented with was a cyclonic combustion chamber that has a liquid fuel in a can, and a pipe that moves up and down to tune it so to make a swirling flame. And I thought that was neat but it seemed to need tuning and the effect diminishes as it gets low on fuel.
cheers mate
Love your channel. I wonder if you could describe or design a solar system designed to power a kitchen refrigerator. That would be a worthwhile DIY project.
cheers mate and I will give it some thought
I believe refrigerator is a great appliance to convert because it is intermittent, and even if you run out of power, it can handle a few hours of downtime . Or you could have it run on solar during the day when electrical rates are high, and switch to mains at low cost evening rates.
At 2:04 to 2:05 seems your alcohol cup sustained injury to FLAME! lol
Nice edit!
nope - it got red but no damage
@@ThinkingandTinkering I was speaking of the little plastic cup. it looked to be melted. Science does that to us sometimes lol. Im tempted to make some of my own bio diesel but I may test the glycerin idea first. Great content my friend!
@@TheTubejunky I got it mate - and yes you were spot on - it was the little plastic cup I melted! Too focussed on the stove lol
I think making a waste oil burner from a rocket stove is an awesome idea! There's just so much that can be done with something like that.
for sure mate - cheers
Random question here but what about burning unused engine oil mixed with Paraffin for a heater/ stove like this? Would that work, and in what ratio?
Nice 1
Look forward to seeing that with the rocket stove 🎉
cheers mate
I used to be able to buy a green gel made from sugar cane waste and a two plate stove to use it in. The kitchen needed to be well ventilated while in use.
yes I would think so
Would a ultrasonic cleaner vaporize cooking oil or one of those fog makers Or a aromatherapy oil misters.
Not enough vapor pressure and too vicious, which is why oil burners use a pressurized jet to atomize fuel and blowers to provide draft
I don't know mate - but I doubt it
Is it possible to thermally crack biodiesel into gasoline/petrol. In Canada we have very few diesel anythings except big trucks. If I could figure out how to close that loop then I could burn the primary product in my minivan and at least some of the waste products could be used to make electricity and heat my home. That for me would be the holy grail of energy conservation. Your work is just amazing Rob and your Gru laugh always makes my day. Cheers.
Much of Canada would need block heaters plugged in during winter to get those diesels to start in winter.
I suggested butanol from the glycerol 'waste' of biodiesel production.
It is very near a drop-in replacement for gasoline/petrol
I would think so mate but I would also think you would need a fractional distillation column to separate it out
Motor oil burners are pretty common as heat sources for mechanics. A vegetable oil burner is something I haven’t seen before and since glycerin burns just fine when it’s heated it would be easy to implement a preheating function into the burner so there’s no need to convert it to biodiesel first.
Except that veg oils will polymerize with heat and it won't be long before the works are full of goo that won't easily rinse out.
indeed mate
I would think that depends really - if you use a drip cup - I am not seeing how that can be a problem - or maybe a Babington burner?
There's a few guys on CZcams that made their own furnace, jets etc for melting metals, using old motor oil. Might be worth a look.
OMG, the burning byproducts of that would be so incredibly toxic.
have you seen any of the vids?
cheers mate
Since your fuel is not contaminated with mtbe or lead, would a pogue (pre cracking) catalytic carburator provide an advantage of a cleaner burn? How about something like the(required) manifold heating lattice under the 2barrel carb for
a chevrolet 80's era 1600cc 4 cyl chevette(will barely run without heater)
I don't know mate - but well worth trying
There isn't much mentioned of pogue after 1980s . The claim was for a 200 mpg carburetor . Anyway if flame is blue and no soot deposits and no cyclic aromatic hydrocarbon odours exist , then it means there is clean efficient combustion.
@@michaelcorbidge7914 yes, lead was added to gasoline making a leaded fuel blend, which stopped the catalytic carb, in the 80's mtbe metallic additives were introduced to replace lead, however fuel blends are not pure gasoline and do not work well in a pre-cracking system like pogue. The chevy carb helped some how, and would have worked extremely well if pure gasoline were available to the public.
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Nothing wrong with a bit of soot. Might have some graphene in it. The rocket stove should work well once it gets going. Now if there was a way to make bio Kerosene, now that would be interesting. It costs about $4 per L here in Australia.
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Not surprised that it is working - however, the question is "for how long?" ... it all depends on the quality of the bio-diesel: even trace amounts of vegetable oil WILL polymerize near the burner, leading to blockages after some time. My guess would be that all oils with an iodine number of 120 and above could be problematic if present in more than just trace amounts. Also, expect copper and brass (as well as zinc) to show corrosion and some rubbers to soften after prolonged contact. Biodiesel is something I would always use in a blend...
Just take the needle and poke the jet.
I had ran everything except piss thru my stove and on unleaded gas, which is made for, it clogs every three runs and I have to unclog it with a steel wire needle. The clogging only happens at the jet as it is the coolest part that sees only hot gasses. The vaporizer loop gets too hot for gunk to remain solid. Any tars formed in the loop get boiled and vaporized too.
An extra long preheat might clear your nozzle.
cheers mate
Make that bio diesel burner. 👍
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Anaerobic power:
«The device, called the Gedang (Javanese for banana), generates about 5 volts of electricity from the anaerobic bacteria in banana skins. Sang Aji said they decided to use banana skin because it was readily available. "Experiments showed that banana skin can generate more electricity than other fruits."»
there was a series of viral videos in 2017 - I think it followed a news announcement you just quoted - it's a fuel cell made wasn't it?
@@ThinkingandTinkering , rather, they are close to nano-diamond radionuclide batteries.
@@ThinkingandTinkering , look this on CZcams:
"How radioactive are bananas and other radioactive foods?"
@@Baikur1 I doubt it mate
@@ThinkingandTinkering , use an electronic clock for an "electric meter".
Microbiological LENR is well documented.
I use a water distiller for personal use and nearly fell over backwards when I saw how easy it was, especially with a water distiller to make your own ethanol which I'm hoping will run in a Chinese diesel heater..... It has already been tested with biodiesel and it works a treat but i don't know ant fuel cheaper or easier to make than ethanol. I will be watching your rocket stove project closely.
cheers mate
Don’t do it!! Nooooo!
@@ianclarke8821 Please... do tell.
@@masteragario3335 it’s for two or three reasons. The ethanol will ignite much more easily than oil, vaporising at just room temperature. It will likely destroy the seals and pump in your heater if it hasn’t already exploded or blown off the exhaust system. More seriously, when you burn it (and it is a pure distillate) you will not even see the flame, it is quite invisible in daylight, and difficult to see even in the dark (might be a vague blue hue) so if you have a leak etc you won’t even know you’re on fire let alone where to aim an extinguisher. This was a tragic problem in the 60s racing era, and I recall watching a driver burn alive with such fuel, onlookers were helpless to understand why he was writhing until his clothing charred.
@@ianclarke8821 Thanks for taking the time to reply and explaining your concerns. Whilst they are points to be aware of, I don't share your overt concerns. Correct me if I am wrong but Ethanol is a lot lighter than oils or diesel and burns at a much lower temperature. The combustion chamber should be under no more strain than with diesel. Tests I have seen have more of an issue maintaining temperature especially if the pump is at a low setting.
I'm watching this video and I'm thinking try this in the rocket stove and haypresto here it is ! 😁😀👍 LOL !
lol
Where can one buy of these cooking burners Robert? Bloody Smashin video as always
cheers mate and I just got mine on amazon
It is the word Kerosene which should be in parenthesis. It is an American 'trade name' registered by Abraham Gesner in 1854. Likewise, it should be vacuum flask not thermos, ball point pen not biro, vacuum the floor not hoover, etc, et cetera.
In the 19th century gasoline/petrol was a waste product of kerosene/paraffin distillation.
Of course kerosene was being produced as lamp oil only because whales were getting harder to find....
ok
Is there a smell stronger than kerosene with the stove?
HOW ABOUT USING BIO DIESEL IN A NORMAL WICK TYPE KEROSENE SPACE HEATER ?
I WONDER IF YOU MIXED IT 50/50 WOULD IT WORK ? THANK YOU FOR YOUR VIDEOS.
I don't know if it would wick mate as the viscosity as higher - but worth a try if you feel like it
I have various camping stoves and lights, some use paraffin, can see them being useful, if there is shortages or fuel becomes too expensive this winter.
for sure mate - cheers
@@ThinkingandTinkering maybe you could do a series on cheap ways to heat the home and dangers/differences in efficiency between commercial and DIY projects for heating and lighting?
Got to try this in primus stove, I've tried derv and it just won't work and paraffin is just to dammed expensive.
it did get sooty mate and it might clog - so I would think there are improvements to be made for sure
Robert, you need a Salamander pan stove. Burns waste oil neat - very hot, very very dangerous. Right up your street!
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Looking forward to the convertible rocket stove!
me too!
Would you be able to recycle the glycerin as the main pilot for something like that? If you could your biodiesel process provides both materials for that type of burner.
Well done mate! Keep banging on.
I was hoping someone would suggest this as a previous video showed how flammable glycerol was. I was thinking it might work both as primary fuel and starter.
Thinking the same thing. Save the biodiesel for an motor use the glycerine for a heater/rocket stove 👍
I would think so mate and cheers
@@robertpoynton9923 I would honestly use the diesel in an oil lamp to be honest. I would also use the glycerin to coat the logs for my wood burner; they would burn hotter for longer if I did.
@@ThinkingandTinkering if you soaked some wood in the glycerin from the biodiesel it should burn hotter for longer. Care to do a few burn rate experiments on different oils to see which makes your fire last longer with the same burn rate?
So for short if it s winter and your in the mountains at a refugee camp there is little chance of lighting it up cause of the temp of the fuel being too low?
you would need a slightly different arrangement but the fuel could be burnt
@@ThinkingandTinkering hickers i think would love some of ur imagination into this. Especially considering most are pro nature and getting fuel out of waste is something they would like. Also some attention into naming the vid for this perticular topic might get you a couple of hundreds of thousands of views thus being a decent revenue out of nothing so to say.
A horse shoe water heater? is basikly a rocket stove heater that will burn any thing that burns.
cheers mate
it's a much cheaper option to paraffin i may try this in my oil lamps.
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So will it just run on straight vegetable oil?
no
What if put holes in the side for extra air, secondary burn?
I don't know - I suspect so
I used to heat with kerosene heaters quite a bit... As of about 4 years ago I cannot find a seller of kerosene within 40 miles of my home...
we used to have it all over here in the UK but. like you it has just gone!
Kerosene production fell following the introduction of LED lighting and cheap solar panels . The developing countries no longer required kerosene for lighting purposes. Price per barrel of oil tumbled too as a result of reduced demand . Kerosene production figures are available per country and the last time i checked , there was some decent production in Spain.
Similar to a waste oil drip type furnace. Build a fire on a cast iron pan till it gets hot and drip used motor oil or desiel or any fuel. The faster the drip the better flame and heat.
Those stoves like you are using are pretty cool. I haven't really seen those here in the US. I'm sure they're around here though. There use to be a lot of white fuel lanterns and stoves that don't need to preheat to vaporize the fuel. I have a couple of those we use to use camping and at parties back in the day.
I like your type though. Did you purchase that one recently?
I did mate - I got it on amazon
What about high density polyethylene from milk bottles ?
what about it?
The magic is in the generator
ok
what is your bio diesel made of? That you used...
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seems like it wasn't burning efficiently as K-1 Kerosene would have burned, I think the pressurized fuel needed more vaporization heat.
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whats he doing after pouring the boidiesel? I think my burner works differently
I am setting it like you do most kerosene heaters - fill, close the fill port, pump to raise pressure, pour ethanol into central preheater cup, light cup, wait, open fuel valve
@@ThinkingandTinkering cool, thanks for taking the time with the questions
Do a Chinese Diesel heater or Parking heater
I will have a think about it
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Cool! How long does it last though?
@@emel60 , It is possible that the microbes are transmutating the radioactive potassium in the bananas.
Sounds great for the Azores
@@jimurrata6785 , potassium is used to replace the more dangerous thorium in incandescent gas mantles.
@@Baikur1 I'm not quite sure what gas lanterns have to do with providing renewable energy to a group of islands in the Atlantic????
But I'm sure solar would work well there as well as great potential for geothermal, given that they are active volcanoes.
So would this work in oil lampes and heaters that have a wick ?
I would think it would be a bit too viscous to wick - but I am guessing
@@ThinkingandTinkering thanks for your response.
I am wondering about glycerine in an oil lamp.
interesting idea
I wonder if you thinned out the home brew bio-diesel with a bit of alcohol would it burn better.
it probably would mate
What would it look like if you made the hiker stove electric? How would a 20v li battery for a power tool perform in a stove? Just curious.
no idea mate
what about the old school kerosene heaters that had a wick the fluid would wick up through to burn off on the tip of it, (and if you rolled out too much it would burn off some of your wick wasting some of it thus wasting money so you don't want that LOL)
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Would adding some gasoline to the diesel improve the start up of the stove?
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I see you still have the sterling engine attached, I'm wondering if a well made closed steam loop (strong condenser) would beat these sterling engines, there's no point in being efficient if you can't produce much power.
for sure mate
Any antidepressants out of those chemistry ideeas?
nope - but then I don't get depressed
@@ThinkingandTinkering well you have quite the range of work places; i think i ve might have "met" some of your collegues that gave counseling to cernavoda nuclear plant
My question to you all is.. How do we continue this pretending to be society. Some have spoken out loud that they don t want to continue anything
Cheers from the "blood hungry" transilvanians
Curious to see ur thoughts regarding cognitive dissonance
Nice! I've seen videos of waste oil burners that use a nozzle to atomize the oil into a very fine mist before vaporization. Perhaps such an thing will help you in your project build?
I would think mate - cheers
A Babbington burner is also an option using lower air pressure, a sphere with a small hole in it, and it works like a whale exhaling through his blow hole. The oil is pumped over the sphere in a steady stream, forms a thin film which is then easily atomised.
A lot of wasted synthetic motor oils just get thrown out when the car gets an oil change. I don't know how toxic this stuff is. But this has given the idea why not use it for something.
Where do you live that used motor oil isn't universally recycled?
@@jimurrata6785 in Australia you got to go to the Council waste station and most people who change their own oil don't go.
@@bretthorwood9396 So they dump it on the ground or burn it in their backyard??? 🙃
Where I live in America any place that sells oil has to accept waste oil ( _OR_ you can bring it to a public waste facility for recycling)
@@jimurrata6785 yeah I think most people throw it into the normal waste bin instead of recycle it eg this is people who change their own oil.
absolutely mate
If it proves difficult to burn then cutting it with something more volatile might be an option.
nice tip mate - cheers
Do you have a noisy neighbor? Can hear the droning of heavy bass music in the background.
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Hi!
I have a aolar panels question:
What would happen if the panels were covered with the brightest 'glow in the dark' paint panels over night? Would it produce more energy than the initial charging of the paint, or anything worthwhile bothering with it? I thinking of a simple night time setup...
Thanks Mr. Murray-Smith.
I am actually going to test glow in the dark pigment on solar in the next couple weeks, assuming the shipment actually arrives. I will post a comment to the most recent "solar" video that is on this channel. My prediction is that it won't produce significant power once the sun goes down. I am unsure how much of a boost it will give the panel during sunlight. But that's why I am doing the test. I will be "very" surprised if it provides significant power for any real duration after the sun goes down. One important point... Most solar is ~20% efficient.
a 10% boost in efficiency, mathematically, means that the total efficiency is 22% (not 30%). So, I will be happy to get 10% boost, but we will see.
looks like Marc is going to try it - I hope he does a video or posts his results
let me know how you get on will you mate
@@marcfruchtman9473 excellent news Mark- and good luck!
@@ThinkingandTinkering Absolutely. For my test I purchased various glow in the dark phosphorescent powders, some clear coat and 1 solar panel. It's gonna be a couple weeks before the panel arrives. I don't have a proper solar dedicated electronics device for measuring output. Any thoughts on the best way to measure the output? I know car battery load testers are fairly inexpensive. So, I could hook the panel to a load tester with a multimeter in series to measure the ampacity. And a second multimeter for voltage. But if you have other thoughts on that... let me know. I will do some preliminary tests first without any coating in full sun. And then I will do some tests with "clear" plastic... on top of the panel with a liquid interface material... not sure what the best choice will be, but I will probably use isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol, just to see how much loss I get with a clear plastic coating on the panel in full sun. I am using the plastic sheets so I can test the same panel with different coatings and not have to wash the paint off. Once I know the baseline, I will put the phosphor coated plastic sheets on the same way... and see if anything goes up or down. Record it all on paper. And come back with the results.
Just a thought ..... would changing the jet size make a difference as the density is not the same? Not sure how density relates to viscosity in a dynamic fluid system!
My guess would be that you struggle making it work on a rocket stove. You might need a large chimney to get the right draw to force the burn.
Having said that I have seen some truly amazingly hot oil burning stoves (oil fed in an inner pipe with a forced air outer pipe to get the flame up high! They had little to no visible smoke as the burn was complete at those high temperatures. The heat often got so intense (white hot) it degraded thick steel retorts used to form the burn chamber!
Should make a great video though! ;o)
these stoves need larger nozzles for lighter fuels and smaller for heavier one because the heavy fuel has more carbon atoms not because the gaseous form is different.
More carbon gives more energy but the amount of air getting sucked in the carburettor is limited. Smaller nozzle gives higher jet velocities and that in turn sucks more air and mixes better.
And with lighter fuels, too much air will actually result in a weak, colder flame that might not sustain the vaporization temperature.
It is nice to have an adjustable air intake on these stoves.
worth a try then lol
@@ThinkingandTinkering Always!
Many of the back street workshops in India use this method for heating foundries!
Did you accidentally set the rest of the alcohol in the plastic cup on fire LOL 2:05
yep!
@@ThinkingandTinkering Right on! Keep up the excellent alternative energy series. We so need these right now!
Literally everything you do i already thought and researched this year its weird to see some same mind...
great minds mate lol
Um, no. It clearly wasn't working properly, and I'd wager that there was a lot of soot generated. Try a catalytic wick stove, betcha it'd work much better. No blowers, no noise, probably low smoke & soot.
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Don't worry - the Chinese can give you kerosene from CH4 instead of coal.
ok
Don't Pay U.K.
indeed mate
The other week I put petrol in my diesel car, I was at the pump holding down the Petrol nozzle and after 5ltrs i realised, So I topped up the tank with 80£ worth of diesel, I haven't noticed any difference apart from the smell. Maybe i was lucky it was only 5 litres of petrol and not a full tank.
sounds lucky to me mate lol
Hmm, Diesel is not a petroleum product? I think there is a translation/slang error?
@@401ksolar no diesel is an oil and petrol is a solvent. I did it by mistake and its not slang
@@Dr-Sy sorry both are petroleum products, and I realize you meant to put deisel in but started pumping Gasoline blend, and a simple translation error using the slang term "petrol"
Robert, I'm a bit pissed off. Vegetable oil is vaporizable in your opinion?
How about lineseed oil?
You should know (at lieast this) that cooking (vaporizing) lineseed oil for long time, produces a plastic-like substance wich is one of the oldest and well working paint.
My garden fence is painted with that if you believe it or not.
So why don't clogh up all our burners with carbonized plastified oil residue?
Robert, I'm a bit pissed off. You take your quotes a bit too easily for somene who wants tho suggest "solutions". As you're going you're inventing new problems for good will people. I dont approve this kind of approximation in experiments.
If someone wants to use vegetable oil as a fuel, it is better to drip it on a ceramic fiber felt on a bowl, laing in a woodstove. That will work forever or so.
if you are pissed off do something about it. Complaining to me that I don't do things the way you like is no good - of course I don't do things the way you like - I am not you. If you want it done differently - do it and post a video don't just sit at your computer complaining
@@ThinkingandTinkeringI do them, I solve the problems you created to me (paying for the membership) but I don't post them, because I find problems not solutions. Then, do you still think vegetable oil is a completely volatile substance?
You can make diesel using a small amount of gas with used motor oil
sorry mate - that doesn't make diesel that makes thinned motor oil
Don't wanna be a killjoy but doesn't this cause lots of pollution?
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Biodiesel is a (Bad) Joke...
Because?
@@manoo422 Energy input of growing, harvesting, pressing the crop, and then reacting the oil is off the scale compared to the energy available from the biodiesel.
It's not even really economical to process waste fryer oil unless you're getting it for free and a subsidy for plant operations.
Growing crop for this purpose alone is madness.
Like many things it can be justified as an ,, artisanal " operation, but even then you need to pay off reaction vessels, heat, methanol and hydroxide inputs.
@@manoo422 Yes, we have E85 but not many flexfuel vehicles on the road that can use it.
Mileage is poor because of the stoichiometry. It does make a good race fuel though. 😉
The huge amounts of ethanol produced here come from feed corn (maize) not sweet corn that would be food for humans.
All that cropland and the fertilizer, pesticide, etc could otherwise be growing food for humans though.
Essentially, this is all a subsidy for big Ag and the crop science/chemical companies.
ok - so what is your alternative?