Woman jumps from the 21st floor and leaves no clue of her identity
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The week my father died at 57, I was running into the grocery store for a couple things...and the greeter actually said "Who died?" And it made me burst into tears and say "my father, and you're an asshole...."
Awful. I'm so sorry.
“The officers involved at the time have all retired” As if that’s a valid excuse to just forget about the case. It was less than 20 years ago! They have found the identities of the Somerton Man, Beth Doe, The Boy In The Box, The Lady of The Dunes, and so many more cases that are WAY older than this one! What a pathetic excuse so they can brush this woman’s life under the rug. Thank you Georgia for raising awareness for her 💕
That painting has so much potential as a clue to her identity, it’s so infuriating that the only publicly available information about it is.. a photo of it. God forbid the physical painting has been “lost in evidence” or something. Maybe investigators don’t realise just how much info people can pull from getting a proper look at the painting, especially someone like a local art historian / expert.
I’m a painter and I often leave a folded slip of paper tucked into the frame of the canvas detailing the medium, date finished, etc. That sort of thing can provide so much information; it’s frustrating we only get the front.
@@communistvulture6516 yes! And now that I think about it, I can’t believe there isn’t a picture of the back. It would have been so easy to include and could have made a huge difference
I think that maybe she was newly homeless. It could explain why she was dressed in double layers and did not have house keys. Perhaps she had been evicted and the only thing she was able to carry/take was the painting, because it had sentimental value.
It would have been worth, at the time, investigating recently evicted people in the Seven Sisters area.
When my brother was tragically killed at 19 years old I was devastated and traumatized. Two days later I had to run into a store for my parents and as I was crossing the parking lot to enter the store a bunch of guys in a car drove past me and yelled “hey sweetheart, put a smile on your face!” It enrages me when some guys/people do that, why even bother saying that to someone.
Sexism. Men think they have a right to shout their opinions about women, how we should/shouldn't dress, make-up, hair/nails, how we should act (inc. blaming victims for sexual assaults). We 'should' smile because it makes them feel gratified and important to see a girl or woman smile, it's all about them, we're just objects, sexual objects. It's disgusting and I'm sick of it. I used to get it more when I was a teen, shy, more of a easy target (yuck) but ever since I started wearing boots, more of a metalhead look, and I'm 32 now, they tend not say it as much. They show no respect, and they can all go to hell.
When someone does that to me, I tend to prop up the edges of my mouth with my middle fingers. People should mind their own business.
I think it’s possible she was a temporary employee. Maybe filling in for a sick employee. That’s how she knew the building so well but people didn’t recognize her. The temp agency also wouldn’t have thought anything of her not coming back for another placement. They could have thought she found another job. It’s also possible that her family lives outside the UK so they wouldn’t have a way of knowing how to report her missing. They might not have even known anything was wrong for years.
I've never heard of the 'cheer up love, it might never happen' thing and it sounds infuriating. Just strangers assuming you have an irrational thing making you upset? Yuck.
One day when my little sister was in her last days with cancer and I lived across the globe from her, I had to stop in a local business to make a deposit for one of my organization's events. I was waiting in line, lost in thought, when an older man tried to get my attention. He told me, "Maybe if you smiled more, they would help you faster." I was LIVID and I honestly wish I had gone off on him instead of ignoring him, except I know he wouldn't have learned a lesson.
It's a very common phrase in my part of England and it's usually men who say it to women. It's a disgusting phrase to say to strangers.
@@jessicablacknallI'm so so desperately sorry. sending you so much love. I wish I'd shouted at the guy who told me to "hurry up and just write happy birthday" when he was behind me and I was leaning on a lottery stand thingy that he wanted to use (you know those little ledges people can lean on to pick their numbers or do scratch cards in shops?). I was 14, writing a sympathy card for a classmate's family because he'd just committed suicide by jumping in front of a train. I was so shocked that I couldn't reply and the guy just grinned at me feeling clever. I still wish to this day that I shouted at him.
Two good rules of dealing with people: it costs nothing to mind your own business, and if you can’t say something helpful, then keep your bloody mouth shut. This nauseating phrase breaks both of those sensible rules.
Heard it a lot. I especially remember when my brother died I walked out the hospital crying and was told by a passer by those words.
It breaks my heart the last thing someone said to her was so condescending. I hope she is Identified soon. It’s so frustrating how many clues there seem to be and still nothing
I know you said that no one from the office recognized her but could the Doe have previously worked in that building? I’m thinking that she could have been a night janitor or even window washer. That way, she would have known the building and even that the windows didn’t have safety locks, but no one inside would know her from anyone else. Thanks for the video! It’s a shame that this was never solved.
The "cheer up love" comment was commonplace in the 70s and 80s and is always unacceptable. Unfortunately some are stuck in that mindset. Thank you for your thorough and sensitive covering of this story. God bless the lady.
I am a jewellery student and have started researching forensic jewellery recently, and I would be very interested to know more about the ring! If it was hand made (looks like it could be) it could possibly have a makers mark, which could trace the jeweller who may know where the the ring was sold, or if it was unique even a time period or geographical location which could lead to more clues about this ladies life.
Thank you for covering Wembley Point Woman! She is one of those people whose death has really stuck with me, especially her painting. I wonder if she planned her death or if it was giving in to a "call of the void" moment after receiving some bad news that morning. It all just leaves so many questions.
if the building held art exhibitions on a regular basis it's quite possible the woman had attended at least one of those and that's why she was familiar with the building and aware of the canteen as well. Perhaps she had the artwork with her because it was her own piece and she was hoping to sell it or submit it to an exhibition and was rejected which led to her mental break... speculations aside I hope she's at peace and that her identity will be found through the renewed interest into the case
‘Cheer up love it might never happen’ is one of those phrases that just boils my blood. I’ve been told it before whilst just sitting there with a neutral expression on my face. I really hope her identity is found soon and she gets to finally rest in peace.
7 Day ticket, bought at 7:07am on Seven Sisters Road??
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@@fa9183omg wow 😯
I truly hope they find out who she is, and give her back her name and hopefully a family some closure. It seems like they’re just not interested, which is disgusting. Thanks for covering these sorts of cases Georgia 🙏🏻 for doing it for the right reasons
Thank you Georgia you are a shining light for the abandoned and ignored. ❤
Maybe she was an African immigrant who was just lonely in a strange country? I do think it's interesting that despite being depressed, she was nicely dressed- like she wanted to look her best for the coroner.
Gut feeling says the painting shows that she believed she was invisible to those around her. As someone with clinical depression I can say she likely then had the intrusive thought to harm herself and acted on impulse but not an unrecognized one. She probably had that often and was so deep into the depression that she acted to stop the thoughts. The intrusive thoughts sometimes can be racing. They’re almost taunting you. And no, I don’t have these symptoms anymore. I’m on my medication and see my doctor regularly. But I’ve been there and this just feels like what may have happened. What I can say is most people who attempt to harm themselves do so to make the thoughts stop and not to actually hurt themselves. I’m not sure if that makes sense to someone who’s never felt them. I really hope she is found again. Seen. I hope they find her name. Family. I don’t want her to be right about being invisible. Thank you for the work you do.
I can't believe someone would say that! Would they have said it if she was male instead? I hope she gets her identity back soon, thank you for covering these lesser known important cases
This is why your channel is so important, Georgia. Your compassionate curiosity about the currently nameless is valuable and human work. Thank you, and thank you for being you.
sometimes suicide victims
either do this in places they know because they want the person that cause their harm to see it
or it was such a special place for her
i feel like the person that could identify her probably either is gone before she jumped or would never come forward
hopefully she has family somewhere that is missing her and sees this
if she made that painting herself, it could hold such massive clues as to what her state of mind was at the time of her death. Is it a self portrait? Does it show how she feels about herself? Is it about someone she lost, or maybe about someone who used to be important to her?
I mean i'm absolutely just speculating here, but if I'm going off the assumption that this is a self portrait, it kind of looks like she took off a mask, but there's nothing behind it (ie she doesn't know who she is without the mask) and the people around her don't recognize her like this, or don't understand her. The figure in the foreground has such a drastically different color scheme, it seems disconnected from the other people in the painting, like's they're apart from society
...OR it just wasn't finished and i'm interpreting way too much into it lol
this is so sad...this reminds me of that case of the woman in the apartment that is found after like 3 years in London. I learned this while I was living in London in 2012. Think you covered this in one of your earlier episodes but it just completely haunted me. I was always afraid of being any of these women, luckily, fortune smiled on me and am currently planning my wedding for next year but damn..imagine the pain she had inside..to want to die alone and she was 100% sending a message by clutching that painting. It seems like, from the painting, she was protesting the fact that she hadn't had a full life. She was nameless, since the center painting was white..like she's had to adhere to colonialism and go to London to make her way, only to leave her culture behind and still be nothing in the end. No family, no culture, just white wash..completely alone in a large town with millions others nameless like her..the painting is extremely emotional. I almost cried looking at it. I felt like this soo many times in my life. This is such a sad story. I hope we find her identity soon. Also reminds me of the lady who checked in to a hotel here in Seattle to just die..nameless as well..These women are definitely lonely and want to make a splash with their end.
Yes, Joyce Vincent was that woman who died in a London flat and wasn't found for over two years - I immediately thought of her too.
I remember hearing about that! Its so so sad
That case will forever stay with me, as will this one 🤍
@@unakennelly The documentary _Dreams of a Life_ about Joyce Vincent is incredibly haunting. Definitely worth a watch if you've never seen it.
I think bringing colonialism into it is a bit of a stretch. Personally, I think she didn't feel seen by the people important to her, hence her attachment to the painting, surrounded by black figures but blank at the centre. She may have painted it herself or bought it because it spoke to her. Large cities have fluctuating populations so she may not have been missed by neighbours who assumed she moved away, the same may be the case if she were enrolled in art school or working nearby. Her suicide could have been for so many reasons. I really hope that she is identified soon.
The Met are the literal worst! A friend of my parents was a detective for the Met and he is so casually racist it makes me sick.
i know someone who lived in that area at the time of this case and will share it with them just in case. you never know and i have an itch in my soul about it, like a feeling i have to do it. thank you for bringing another case to us. ❤
Very pleased you’re covering this case! Someone out there must know who she is 🙏🏼
This is just an educated guess, but I think she may be a Ghanaian woman. Not only her features, but the ring she wore. That pattern on the ring is very distinctive and similar to a popular Ghana pattern that is carved from any material and used as jewellery. I have many at home ( like I said just a guess)
This sounds like she had her first (and unfortunately last) psychotic break. If she lived alone, far from her family and if her mental health declined little by little before the full-fledged crisis, it's unlikely anyone would have noticed...😢
Probably this has been looked into, but the cowrie ring is a symbol for Eleggua, the gatekeepr Orisha in the Yoruba religion. Eleggua must be honored before all other Orishas, so it is important to have a symbol on hand. She is likely a member of a Yoruba religious group, the painting speaks to that as well.
I wouldn't be surprised if it hasn't been as if the police have no knowledge of the religion they wouldn't know they seem to be a bit slack especially at this time
I just quickly googled and it says that the number 7 in the Yoruba religion means perfection or spiritual completeness so I wonder if that’s what it meant? 7 also stands for the Orisha Yemonja who is the goddess of water and she is also symbolized by a cowrie shell. She pertains over love and healing.
I know its likely a reach but I wonder if the number 7 means something to here. A 7 day bus pass bought at 7:07 AM at Seven Sisters just seems like a lot of sevens.
This may be a reach, but another comment said the cowerie ring could be connected to the Yoruba religion. And in the Yoruba religion 7 means perfection or spiritual completeness.
I am wondering if she was a maid or some sort of office employee. They have the tendency to be overlooked a lot, especially when they are POC 😢
To be buried with no name and nothing else to indicate who you we’re is the biggest tragedy of all
since she was possibly of caribbean origin, do you know if authorities have ever tried to spread the word in that part of the world, and also if they ever showed the painting to an expert in either African or Caribbean art? If she was from there and then moved to the UK, maybe she still has family back home... :/
I suggested this case, thank you so much for covering this.
I wish they had a Go Fund to help find out who she is with DNA and even do the testing in the US if they have to. Poor girl, I feel so bad that we miss her story and her name and what happened to get to this point. Especially no one knew who she was or missed her, unless she had travelled far or lived isolated. I wonder if the police aren't putting much effort because she committed suicide, which is so wrong.
I got angry with you when you mentioned the man in the elevator telling Jane Doe to cheer up without even asking her what was wrong. You never know what someone is going through, and I know from experience that being told to smile or cheer up when you're upset feels incredibly invalidating, especially if you're not in a good headspace to begin with.
Gosh, what a interesting story, hope it gets solved soon.
She had the painting with her. She could have been the artist. There was a gallery I believe you called it an exhibition hall, she could have tried to show/sell her painting. She could have already been in a bad mental state and was rejected. Art is very much tied to who you are and constantly being rejected can leave a person feeling like they are worthless. She might have known the building because she had been there several times trying to enter her work. As an artist myself at least here in America that’s how it works. She might have even met with someone from the gallery and talked them in the cafe the building had. It’s just a thought listening to this case knowing the experience I have had as an artist.
oh ive heard of this!!!!!!! very happy to see this in my feed, so happy she might be reunited with her name within the next year
Such a tragic case. I hope she gets her name back soon.
I hope she gets flowers put on her grave 😢❤
No CCTV?
I feel like this case has so much potential to be solved! Great video as per usual Georgia 🎉
She looks so familiar 2 me somehow
It's possible she didn't have any living family left, or was from the foster care system, and that's why no one came forward or knew she was missing.
I never comment on the videos because I never feel like I have anything to add. However, the clothing, jewelry, and picture remind me of "Santeria". Usually, santeros dress in all white for a year. When the year us up, they can dress regularly. However, some higher ups (priest/priestess) in the religion can dress in certain colors to represent a specific God. The jewelry she had on is very similar to the cowrie shell that santeros wear. You referenced that she is Caribbean African, where santeria is commonly practiced. I know this because I am Latina and my uncle was heavily involved with the religion. I cannot say for certain, but when I saw the ring, it 10:04 in the shape of a cowrie shell, and everything she was wearing was black down to her undergarments. Maybe it is all just coincidence? But I felt completely to say something.
Georgia! I’ve been subscribed to you for about 3 years now and I’ve never commented before, but I just want to say that you’re one of my favourite true crime CZcamsrs. I support your values and really appreciate that you choose to share cases that are lesser known and are still yet to be solved. You are a positive voice for so many of these victims and their loved ones by sharing their stories on your platform. Thank you for doing what you do.
Prayers❤🙏🏻
Heartfelt coverage always ❤❤
Love your content! As a guy I was told the other day by a woman to smile so it does happen, we need to normalise not telling people to smile when they don't want to, be it woman or man.
So many times in my life things have felt so bad i haven't wanted to go on...if i'd of been on top of a high rise building in those lowest points in that split second i could easily have made the same decision as Jane... one you cant take back.... my heart breaks that she felt was no other option😢i hope she gets her identity back and her family finaly know what happened as awful as that will be its better then just never knowing...
This is why i love and admire you so much Georgia - you shine a light on not just the popular cases but those that just never got coverage they deserved despite so many unanswered questions. Never stop what your doing❤
Jesus loves you you are here for a reason baby girl keep going!
@@AlexisMaria im here for my 2 boys thats what keeps me going. Thank you hun really appreciate it.
Terrible that I have never heard of this case.
I lived very close to this building and went past it everyday to get to Stonebridge Park train station. Very sad.
Looking at Street View, it surprises me that you can still see windows wide open on the WEM Tower. I wonder why they haven't fixed them shut or at least put catches to limit how wide they can open
Exactly. It’s scary
I always thought that building wasn’t 100 percent safe
I had never hear of this case before.
Wishing she will get her name back! What a way to go, yet it sounded almost peaceful for her?
Gosh Georgia I live at Tockington Wembley I am scared
really interesting and sad
So sad. :(
Hey georgia, love your content. Have you seen that the namus page for the 1990 hillsborough jane doe has been removed, this could mean a possible identification for her.
I assume Lola Shenkoya is a rule out? No specific reason it could be her but i think there are similarities in looks.
Could she have been an office cleaner coming in at night and being familiar with the building but never been seen by anyone working there in the day?
100% that disgusting, sexist, dismissive, patronising comment, ffs! I remember about 10 years ago, I was walking into a shopping center, I just noticed a girl, 18-20, crying, standing alone, beside a pillar, everyone noticed and just walked past her. I stopped behind the pillar, and went 'Nah, screw this, she's peering out from those tears, secretly hopeful someone will ask 'Are you OK?". I'd just come out of an abusive relationship and I'd wished more people had asked me that then.
So, I doubled back, asked her if she was OK and the simultaneous look of surprise and relief on her face was humbling. I got out a tissue, she said thanks, then nodded to a group of girls a few meters away who were looking and whispering/smirking in our direction. I said "People can be so horrible". She didn't say much, but I checked if she needed a lift, she didn't, and said to try and ignore them, I've got no idea what happened, but I'll bet that little bit of empathy from a stranger made her less sad.
I'm sure some empathy from those strangers on the lift would of helped this poor woman, but as usual, people 'mind their own business'/'someone else will ask' or you get a sexist man telling you to cheer up - for his benefit. Oh, how I hate people sometimes. Especially tragic that jumpers are often impulsively suicidal and can be talked down, survivors overwhelmingly report immediate regret as soon as they jumped. EDIT: And there was a mental health charity in the building?! What a lead!
Im from South West London and not North west London but I've been to the tower. Actually rode past it just now on the Bakerloo Line. The river Brent below is very shallow, so I doubt it was drowning. And more likely from blunt force trauma.
I expect the fall killed her, not drowning.
I remember when I first read about this last year I think. Yet another little known case. Awful and so perplexing.
I'm currently binge rewatching your midweek mystery playlist. Can't believe how many years ago they were! You have one of the nicest narration voices and you take such time to go into stories 🩷
Very good video.
I wonder if this lady was a refugee and maybe had her case or her family's case was rejected. Maybe someone close to her painted the painting and she treasured it. I do hope they have luck accessing more information on her.
So sad she's been unindentified for so long, hopefully she gets her name back soon. I wonder what had caused her to do that to herself and why she had no form of ID with herself.
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A woman said that to me after my dad was killed but still whoever says that besides the gender ain’t good
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God I hate that sentence it’s so unhelpful and unnecessary. They have no idea what is going on in your life, also, I have resting bitch face so just never look happy. Doesn’t make me any happier when they say that, makes me angry!
I'm curious what you thought of Evelyn Hugo. It was a great premise but the second half kind of dragged for me! You would like Hell Town 😮
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I lived for a year last year in that building and I only found out about this yesterday. If I remember correctly the 21st floor is not open to the people. I think the 20th floor is the last one. I don’t think anybody there knows about this story haha
Its a shame the UK doesnt use genetic genealogy. Im off to search as to why that is. Also The jewelry along with the painting will hopefully get some answers. I wonder if detectives went to the shop where her bag was purchased? I mean if it had been recently purchased maybe it would be a clue
Is genetic genealogy used in the USA?
@@ChildofTMH144 yes it is! Many John and Jane Doe cases have been solved using it. The green river killer was convicted using it
Had to stop watching at this point and thumbs up and say I agree "Cheer up, love, it might never happen." is terrible - we do get it said to us guys too though not as much and, yes, often the reply should be "It has happened!".
Maybe its a generational thing ie my generation doesnt take offence at everything, maybe its a london bubble thing but its not the patriarchy. People up north male and female say cheer up, it might never happen all the time. Im male and people have said it to me.
The guy in the elevator was just trying to be nice. Get a grip. It's not like he had the time to strike up a conversation with her. It was a remark made in passing by a random strange who was just trying to cheer up a sad-looking woman.
well some people are sensitive so you should just get a grip