We've Finally Exposed the Biggest Lie In NBA History..
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- We've Finally Exposed the Biggest Lie In NBA History..
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When the next dynasty eventually happens, watch how everyone's gonna start missing this era of parity and how 'every year felt unpredictable'. People never appreciate what they already have.
This is what I'm thinking too. I guarantee in 6-7 years around 2030 people will start to have conversations about this era and the amount of superstar talent all in the league at one time. We often don't appreciate the good old days while we are in them.
@@tobintennisoniii8392 fax
@@tobintennisoniii8392 better then current??
@@Big_talks.better !!
@@curtiszyr you don’t think KD made it boring?!
It’s crazy to think that we haven’t had a game 7 in an nba finals since 2016.
That’s crazy nearly a decade of mostly gentlemen sweeps
We haven't had a Finals on that level since. 2021 was a lot more underrated than people give it credit for, but nothing close to 2016 (or 2010 and 2013)
Not really crazy to think. It is more often to not see a game 7. 1995 to 2004. I don't get why you would call it crazy.
@@StatBoiRichie2022
@@MrJohnnyAOA U mean back 20 years ago? In which some people that are in or are entering the nba rn weren’t even alive or remember? Some of yall just comment to be different I swear.
It's crazy. The casuals dont actually care about just watching basketball unless there's a narrative attached to it . Smh
The nba is not a basketball league is a circus basketball league
If you want to watch real sport you watch euro league
The fans there actually enjoy the game, USA fans only cares about drama and big names
No one cares about the Celtics.
casuals are the only way you can grow or maintain a sport. you have to put a product out there that a random viewer can stumble on and immediately choose a side and feel invested in and continue to watch. no casual fan is gonna watch a blowout or latch on to players they dont have a reason to like or dislike
@@PhenomRomso you're a casual. If you liked ball, you would appreciate how the dismantled the mavs.
@@verward you can force them to care
Basketball in general has a casual fan problem.
Fans come on talking and saying shit without knowing the context or having a deep understanding of the game.
I personally have loved the parity. As a die hard basketball fan, I watch everything from the Olympics, to Euro Ball, NBA, NCAA, G-League and the WNBA.
It's just sad to see fans shit talking series or playoffs just because the household names aren't competing.
I mean, this starts off with takes from two professional casual fans.
SAS has no idea what he's talking about, but he's loud.
The other guy looks like he pissed off his make-up artist, and they've been playing a joke on him for years.
Yes, you are exactly right. Sadly the narratives aren’t written for the people who know what really happened, they’re written for the people that don’t know what happened.
Is the media going to try to give people (who know nothing about what happened) context or actual beneficial information so that people can form their own perspective, OR are they going to try to criminally simplify everything and come up with a narrative that goes off 10% truth and 90% bullshit which people then believe and then that idea gets spread around like wildfire to the point where that becomes the new “truth” and those who actually know what happened end up being seen as delusional.
It’s unfortunate but all that people care about is who wins and who loses. Those who win oftentimes get far more credit than deserved and those who lose end up slandered and disrespected far more than deserved.
No one cares for details unless they really have a passion for it. The world functions off ignorance of people who think they know what happened.
Luka played better than Tatum nearly that entire season and series. Believe me, people are going to start saying that Tatum is better than Luka, simply because he won and Luka didn’t.
The reasoning? “Tatum is a winning player, Luka folds in big moments”
@@THEjoelivingstone Those "professionals" know what they're doing. They the push narratives that will please the casual fans op is talking about.
Without the 'casual fan problem' the league you love so much will be dissolved. Casual fans are the ones spending the money to allow the league to be as big as it is. It's great that you enjoyed the finals, but don't be upset most people didn't.
Do people like you feel smart using such a casual word as casual to complain about fans 😂 most people aren’t gonna dive that deep into shit some people just wanna watch one player some people just wanna watch highlights welcome to the new age
The league does a terrible job of marketing their young stars. It's lebron and the lakers. Kd. Steph and the warriors.
When you have ESPN gargling Lebron's jocks 24/7, this is what you get. For pete's sake, Celtics just won their championship and these jackasses at ESPN can't help but bring Lakers or Lebron on the topic.
Great point! I feel they underestimate the average fan and don't want to go into the strategy to show what makes teams great.
@@suiken3149 TBF the league has been riding on his coattails for decades, he's the new Jordan but more controversial, and has so many points of discussion. Look at the ratings since he's stopped dominating. I don't think we'll see a level of hype like the 2013 or 2016 finals for a very long time, and even when LeBron lost he still made a damn good show like in 2018 and 2015
@@sammcdermott78 The ratings stopped because they focused on him instead of hyping up newcomers. They are all over Antman as "the next Jordan" after the Nuggets series.
And Lebron didn't exactly brought ratings. 2007 and 2020 are two of the worst rated Finals series with Lebron on both.
2020 isn't fair, that was the whole blm fiasco and the kneeling during the flag in the pandemic. Nba lost viewers because of that. 2007 was his first finals and he was on a small market team.
You know the finals was ass when rdcworld aint post no skits lol
Frrr
FR!
give us someone who doesn't collapse in 5 games then
😂😂😂true
@@loufyyy womp womp we won, y'all lost
one thing i realized also is ppl are so used to dominance they forget how hard this game truly is lmao they saw bron go to the finals 8 times and thought it was a walk in the park now that he's stepping down we see how hard that shit trully is both mentally and phisically
The parity argument was for fans of basketball not for casuals, we know casuals love big names and franchises.
Casuals ruin everything they touch in every media form
@@tingispingis casuals who actively insert themselves into the discourse are highly annoying no doubt (got no problem with casuals enjoying the sport). media personalities who talk like casuals to appease casuals are the bane of sports journalism. The talk before the Finals was the dumbest sports discourse I've witnessed in recent memory. Their predictions were insane. It was a lopsided matchup. You'd expect at least 8 out of 10 if not 9, to pick the clear favorites. Instead you had more than half pick the underdog. And not for real reasons, like "The Mavs defense is capable of throwing off the celtics 5-out offense" or "the celtics lack of rim protection without KP will create interior opportunities". Nope. Just Superstar Crap. And that completely moronic "battle tested" narrative, which has no data to support it. The last three Finals losers all had a tougher path to the Finals than the champs.
@@tingispingissports leagues wouldn’t exist without casuals
Well this finals sucked, casuals or not
I don't even think there really is a problem (see: new astronomic TV deal). It's just that the small negative group is very vocal and gets way more attention than they should. Or that people in general gravitate towards drama/negativity in the media. The media needs that attention to make money so they feed us shit. That's why youtube channels that give actual break downs of the strategies/tendencies of teams and players are on the rise.
Those TV ratings are US only, right? I ask that because, in my country, the NBA is nothing but growing, year after year.
This group think shit is exhausting and this helps me articulate what I want to get across. Thats a great point.
Yes it is only US stats. I believe in China there are hundreds of millions that watch the finals (pre covid)
Bball is so much bigger now. I mean I just got back from parade and it seemed like there were 1 million people there. More people play and follownbball than ever before.
thats true but the big money is made in the US, no tv network is handing the nba 8 billion a year to own rights to the games to be streamed in some countries in europe, but american tv networks have that kinda money, international tv networks dont
@@taknoef9195
You can't miss what you don't have. If the NBA is forecasting a certain abount of revenue for a business quarter. You can bet that its going to be a larger number than what will actually come out. I'm sick of being told thats losing money.
I'm more concerned with getting people to the circus than I am about separating the people from their money.
Lets not pretend the actual look, and presentation of the finals were softer, and that the competition was lacking it was just smoke not competetive
fr dude not even real finals logos on the court
Soo you are saying last few years competition was lacking, but from 2017 to 2018 when Warriors were far ahead of everyone in the league and Cavs literally played against nobodies in their conference, it was great competition lmaoo😂😂😂😂😂😂 stop it. We are in 2024 right now, if there are 2 years more of winning a team that isn't superteam, this era willbe better than 2010s even before this year would finish because already right now this era has really great start. People are disrespecting the buble despite knowing that it was the most competitive play off the NBA has seen in years and years because literally in first round Denver vs Utah, Denver won in 7 games and that 7th game was extremely close. Clippers and Dallas was also really good series, Clippers won in 6 games, than in 2nd round Clippers and Denver played 7 games again, Denver came back from 3-1 deficit 2nd time in a row and Celtics and Toronto also played 7 games. In conference finals Miami and Celtics played 6 games and Lakers defeated Denver in 5 games, but if Davis missed that last 2 in game 2 it would be much different and more interesting series, soo final result doesn't tell the full story. And in finals it is true that Miami had no chance against Lakers, but it was still good series, they played 6 games amd when you look at that play off objrctively... That play off was waay more fun than 2017 play off, 2018 play off, 2015 play off and even 2012 play off. And those other play offs were also nice, Giannis had amazing play off run in 2021 to win his championship, Steph won his 4th championship and for me that play off run of Golden State was my favourite one, than Denver played like the best team in NBA since 2017 Warriors and this year yeah, Celtics had some easy play off run, but there were also years like that in 2000s and 2010s so I agree that this play off wasn't soo interesting, but if you look at 2020s decade, every singoe season there is new team eho wins championship and that's great for NBA
@@hristijandimitrovski8664 fuckin christ take it to a publisher
@@spencergrant7901 I didn't answered to your comment
Been known that fans are hypocrites
Casuals.
Real fans want good basketball.
The problem is nobody is getting what they want.
Yeah . Luka fans are the most hypocritical fanbase in modern nba. I agree
Well it’s in the nature of being a “fan” once you become a fan you’re not longer objective and your opinions have to have an asterisk.
When the media still talks about Bron when there are a lot of young stars that needs to be hyped up, casuals will know nothing.
The whole narrative and storyline points you bring up are exactly why some don't rate Tim Duncan as much as another player. Basketball can be so dramatic at times lmao
It’s funny
And Tim actually has a goat case, man it is what it is
and its dumb because if Boston is back in the finals next year all of a sudden its starting to become a dynasty and the mystique goes up again. but maybe a competitive finals is what's been lacking tbh
@@7Bobby7 no he doesn't.
@@7Bobby7absolutely not. Top 10. Yes. Top 5. Maybe. GOAT? Hell no
Casuals realizing that aura doesn’t actually win games was hilarious to see
It ain’t a comic book
That's the video game and tiktok generation for you
For sure, People think Tatum didn’t deserve to win because “he’s cringe”
@@thefaultinourpizza1513😂😂😂 this cracked me tf up
Sga and ant proved that in spades
I think a big part is the lack of rivalries. Rivalries fuel fans, players, and the media. But the parody makes rivalries harder to get and market, so therefore the interest in the league isn’t there anymore
wemby and spurs vs chet and thunder might change that
Yeah I was hoping for a GS vs Boston rematch but draymond and Klank Thompson had other plans.
The NBA doesn't have local city rivalries like Arsenal vs. Chelsea. I know a lot of people that support both the Lakers and Warriors, I also know people who support both the Knicks and the Nets. If you did that in Europe you would get beaten up.
@@One.Zero.One101this is the thing. The ‘fans’ aren’t really fans, they like a player or a jersey or a city topically. There’s a dude I know who likes both the lakers and Celtics. It’s insane
Nah fuck the narratives and storylines. I just wanna see teams compete and rival each other. That shit beats any fake ass narrative
Exactly!! And there was a serious lack of that this playoffs, the east was a joke! The nugs who seemed unstoppable in playoffs got beat by twolves and it had the world going crazy! Shits not fun when we know who’s gonna win, and in Bostons case in the east every series was free
@@loufyyy fr i think its that argument between what die hard NBA hoop heads want versus casuals.
I dont think the Mavs were a bad team in the finals like a lot of people. This is still a team that beat the Clips, Thunder, and Wolves to get there. I just think the Celtics are just that damn good compared to them.
NBA culture is so crazy that the 2nd place team is the one that gets slandered the most
I mean I think clippers yeah the Mavs were better than.
Idc if Kawhi was hurt that can’t be an excuse every year
I honestly don’t think the Mavs were better than the thunder I just think they were more experienced. That was a team full of rookies and sophomores who haven’t been to the playoffs
The wolves were just a good matchup. The Mavs could target who they want to attack on offense and defensively you could hide players since you have offensive liabilities like Rudy and Kyle Anderson.
As a euro fan... hiw tf y'all allow 15 top 150 players on 1 team. Starting 5 all top 50. 6-8 top 75 9-11 top 100😂
Nah Luka and Kyrie embarrassed themselves
@@RT-qz5cifound the casual. Luka and Kyrie took a lottery team last year to the finals coming out of the west where 1-9 all had a chance. Their core basically had 20 games to gel before the playoffs. Boston was just a better team and Mavs (especially Luka and Kyrie playing 40+ minutes all the way up to the finals) looked worn down as well. Boston was just definitely more well rounded and I don’t think 4-1 represents the real difference.
Parity is good
This is a great video, but let's dive even deeper. The reason for parity is this - NBA players are now so talented that no team rolls over anymore. Almost any given player can play like LeBron or Steph on a given night. You can't have parity if even a G-Leaguer on a two way contract can go off for forty. Players have gotten too good to be predictably dominated.
@@philwilson609that and the defense is ass now, it’s just not the same, refs call fouls for everything
@@philwilson609 Not true at all dude, the best players are still way better than the average players. It's that rule changes make it impossible to keep teams of good players together or to add good players to an already good team. The Timberwolves came 4th in the playoffs, you'd expect that they now want to improve the team and try to win next season, right? No, they have too many good players already & the automatic raises are putting them too far over the salary cap so they're going to need to get rid of 1 of their good players. It's disgusting. Teams are punished for doing well and teams that are managed poorly are rewarded for it. The Celtics could win 1 or 2 more titles then they'll be forced to break up the team as well.
As a European, my observation is NBA fans follow the players not the teams. Personally I went from Jordan's Bulls to the Lakers > Spurs > Warriors. People don't want to admit how common this is. I bet it's a tiny minority that supports one team from the 1970s up to now. It's not like in Europe where I've been an Arsenal fan since I was born and I will never change teams. Everyone I know has changed NBA teams, I even know one girl who changed from Lakers to Celtics.
@@valleyshrewthe timberwolves mismanaged their salary and are paying the consequences Boston and OKC have more talent and are just fine.
So now yall don’t want parity in the league now after most of yall were b*tching about it?? Yall hated Bron and GSW always in the finals but now yall miss it?? 😂
people want what they don't have 💀
No one’s bitching about parity, the recent NBA Finals matches have all been blowouts. That’s not parity
@@radiicola3631Then maybe the teams that were expected to be in the Finals should have gotten there.
@@radiicola3631Parity in the nba means there are different winners/contenders every year and not just 1-2 teams dominating every year. The whole 2020s have parity
Lebron was only there because the east teams were complete trash.
This year finals were super boring
I think the most boring finals I’ve seen. Couldn’t believe it 🤦🏽♂️
@@SWISHOUT wolves nuggets was the best series this playoff
@@SWISHOUT2023 and 24 finals were boring
Definitely I thought last years finals was bad but this was the worst finals I have seen
unfortunately a celtics team without kp was 10 times better than the fully healthy team that came out of the west
I think we are spoiled from how good the 2013, and 2016 finals series were.
Nah ig still didn't feel like a finals
It's not even about the parity. It's just the super lopsided matchups, and so many blowouts.
Bingooo… I watched game and be super excited but once it became a blowout I stopped. I immediately could tell the Celtics were actual final contenders while the mavs got perfect matchups for themselves to get there
Then maybe the teams that were expected to get to the Finals should have gotten there.
Do you want the dominant team to point shave?
Maybe tell the teams and their incompetent GMs to step their roster-building game up
@@jaylock9twenty5 I just want a finals that isn’t a snooze fest. I never said anything about making the teams play worse than they should
The reason this NBA playoff season was boring is because Boston didn’t have a single tough match up. You knew they had a free pass to the finals.
Yet, Indiana gave them more of a scare than Dallas did.
Dallas were an embarassment to the Finals. Your frustrations should be aimed at the team that didn't show up. Not the team that did.
Sure, there could've been much tougher series. The entire year points towards Boston winning comfortably against the entire east though, and most teams in the west. It wasn't ONLY the east being crippled. It was also Boston being damn good this year. They've shown it all season, and even semi-rested their entire starting five for many 4Qs and for weeks at the end of the season due to them being so dominant against teams from BOTH conferences.
It's the media's job to promote the sport but what do they do? They just make narratives and garbage takes and when people blindly rode those takes, they often get disappointed when it doesn''t fit their's or the media's narrative.
Honestly yeah, the media does does a shit job of promoting the game. They keep trying to push dumb narratives that don't pan out like 'Ant Edwards is the next face of the League' despite Jokic, Luka, Giannis far and above being the best 3 players in the League and either of them having a case for best player in the League. In the end the media invests so much time promoting bs that by the time you get to the finals everything they have said is irrelevant and casuals aren't invested anymore.
parity itself isn’t the issue, it’s the nba’s inability to market parity that has been the biggest problem. the lack of parity just covered up how bad nba media had been.
I agree with you on Superstars and familiarity bringing in more viewers. I’ll just say this, if the games were a bit more competitive in the Finals it would’ve definitely gained more interest. Fact of the matter is that three of the last five Finals (‘20, ‘23 & ‘24) were one-sided and boring. But the NBA is like a soap opera, they’ll find a new protagonist and antagonist to help drive viewership
That's a good point. I think what fans ment when they said parity, they ment parity of talent not parity of results. Having teams with 4, 5+ all stars means they demolish most other teams with these lopsided results. Its not entertaining to watch. I basically stopped watching when KD went to the warriors. I already knew the end results and was proven right in the end
@@kelseychanel7853The Celtics are not the 2017 Warriors.
@@urbaindelva7869 Compared to the rest of the talent in the NBA, they weren't far off from the 2017 Warriors level of superiority. They won 64 games if I'm not mistaken and went 16-3 in the playoffs. This was pure domination (and yes, I know they faced a couple injured teams in the playoffs)
No. nba is star driven its not football. One guy has ball so much.
@@xavierb9061 yeah=, but teams where one guy is dominating the ball, like the mavs, aren't as good as teams where the ball is shared, like the celtics.
The problem is these fluky runs to the finals. It's cool on the way up, but very anticlimatic once the underdog meets the favorites eventually. If we had a Boston-Denver/Minnesota finals it would be extremely entertaining
Exactly right. Which is why last seasons finals was more boring than this one.
The 8 seed from the East got hammered by the favourites. Of course there was little interest in it.
At least this series has Luka and Kyrie to look forward to.
@@StuTheDon17thats cuz the heat didn’t tyler herro as another offensive option, and eric spoelstra kept playing small ball
Well said.
77’ - Portland
78’ - Washington
79’ - Seattle
80’- Los Angeles
81’ - Boston
82’- Philadelphia
“Not since the merger has there been 7 different champions “
The Celtics in the 60’s
No dynasty in the 70’
Lakers, Celtics, Pistons won multiple and 9 of the 10 Championships
90’s - Bulls
00’s - Lakers won 5, San Antonio 3, Detroit 1, Boston 1
10’s- Heat, Warriors, Mavs, San Antonio…
The ratings in the NBA, along with the narrative of parity…
People love to see dominance, it wasn’t just Kobe. It was Shaq. The Kobe and Shaq Beef.
It was Phil Jackson.
It was the aura and mystique and glamour of the Lakers.
The problem isn’t parity.
The problem is the NBA marketing players instead of the game and the teams.
Teams that dominate will always draw ratings… their villain arc remains strong.
Great analysis.
There’s many reasons why the 70’s aren’t talked about…
the ABA, the NBA wasn’t even close to being the second major sport~ Boxing was more popular. College Basketball was more popular.
The race narrative was real as well. Basketball was widely viewed as a Black man’s game.. back then. Heck MLB was more popular than basketball in the 70’s.
The 80’s were the most popular because of the dynamic of the dynasty and the up and coming teams who’d battle years before prevailing…
The 60’s revisited of the Lakers and Celtics rivalry, which has always had an impact in viewership.
The NBA has tried to emulate the grand success of the Jordan brand which took the game global.
What people miss is the organic rise of Jordan. How he MADE Nike… the global brand it is today.
They attempted to replicate it, Kobe, Shaq and Phil Jackson were the closer thing to the rock star Bulls of the 90’s.
If the NBA respectfully chronicled it’s history like the NFL and MLB, and the stars rose organically, branding themselves through their play (Bird, Magic, Jordan, Isiah)
The media and social media influencers have created this false narrative, this false perception…. It was never true.
i think the unfortunate thing is that parity isn't going anywhere at this point. it's hard to imagine a single player or team dominating within the next few years with the amount of talent going in, and maybe bit of the new cba complicating the way gms be building teams
Exactly. Then aim of the new CBA is to maintain parity within the league so richer owners are not given more leverage in building teams than less wealthy owners. The more a set of players win, the more valuable they become. This leads to the need to release contracts in order not to accumulate "luxury tax"
Jokic, SGA, Luka, Antman, Tatum
Wemby, Chet, Scottie Barnes
Jaylen Brown, Cade, Banchero
so much young talent in the league man cmon!!!
jokic is 29
@@JRRM97 dont matter u get the point
It's the least amount of star young talent since the 70s
@@VOTE4CHANGE I disagee, Luka and Jokic will be top 20 players minimum when its said and done. NBA has some real hoopers rn. 70s couldnt compete with these guys
Jordan, Kareem, Kobe, LeBron, and Magic were all old by the time of the last ring.
Bro when it was Cleveland and golden state for 7 years str8 everyone complained now it’s switching and it’s a problem
ESPN having the finals is a deal breaker for me. They do 15 min of commercial with 1 min of commentary for half time.
NBA media needs to promote players and take a positive perspective of hoops, rather than create narratives. Narratives aren't selling anymore. BASKETBALL is what we want. This opinion won't be popular, but it's facts
The lie about Luka not being the best player in the league 😂
I 100% blame the refs and Adam Silver for that. They killed any rivery during the games. They killed any play that happens in the paint.
People want the idea of parity but they want it with great teams. But it’s like a movie once said, “when everyone is super, no one is.”
This problem being talked about is so needed. It’s why in the NFL, We need the Chiefs to win or be very competitive. We need a Villain or Antagonistic figure. The NBA doesn’t have that anymore. It may come back, who knows. But we need to have more powerhouses, and dynasty possibilities. The NBA loves a dominant team/players.
I mean the nba doesn’t have someone on the same level as mahomes
@@Renegade-kf8fp As of now yeah, that’s true but I did say that may change. But you are still right, there isn’t a mahomes-esque figure in the NBA right now.
Basketball has always, ALWAYS been about drama. I dont know if it's a bad thing or who's at fault, but the nba will see adversity at the highest stage soon enough. And when that happens, you will have your villains and your heroes. The NBA will be fine. Just a slump.
I don't want a certain team to dominate this decade. Unlike most, I'm liking the fact that this decade is starting out like the 70s. With no back to back champions & a different team winning and going to the finals almost every year.
I love that every year has been a new champion. It creates unpredictable every season as well as, if a team does repeat, it makes that repeat title that much sweeter. Weve gotten so use to seeing same usual teams in the finals that not seeing usual teams in the finals, we don't know how to properly digest it and rather than appreciate that we are in a new league, truly. People are disliking it
I been liking these past 6 finals honestly.
Same here. It beats the hell out of watching GSW v Cavs every season.
We weren't lied to. We were the ones that wanted parody in the NBA. Some of yall lied to yourselves.
For real
The solution is simples: Stop focusing on players and focus on the franchises.
Go take a look at football (soccer) and start replicating it. Bc players retire, the teams are always there.
2015 felt like this as well but Warriors and Cavaliers kept going back so people got familiar with the teams. I remember 2015 Kobe was no where to be seen, Boston Celtics with KG were already dismantled, the Al Horford Hawks were trying to become a thing, Carmelo with the Knicks missed the playoffs, it was weird but it turned into something.
Babe wake up new SWISHOUT video dropped
Nah, nobody want's parity.
People really want the 80's, 90's and 00's. A dynasty or 2 per decade with generational players and strong superstar depth throughout the league.
everybody was saying they was sick of GSW and cleavland in 2018 smd, people got what they wanted and this is it. 💀
I don’t
Dynasties are fun to think about after they happen. When they are happening, it's insanely boring.
Parity not Parody
Agreed. Casuals want a bandwagon to hitch themselves to
Bro, you’re like, really good at this. Always great takes, quality videos, you always base your ideas on facts and stats and credible sources, super well spoken 👌 glad you’re feeling better, keep posting man I hope you get more viewership and go places!
The NBA media is the worst I’ve seen in sports. They were riding the Nuggets until the Timberwolves won, then they rode the Timberwolves until Dallas won. You know who they rode for two games in the Finals? Recency bias definitely is a big issue
The biggest problem facing the NBA right now is that all the star players are boring or injured.
Why does it matter if they’re boring? They’re not paid to be dramatic they’re paid to win
@@joelman1989 They are paid to entertain the fans that's the bottom-line. Right now the fans aren't entertained which is reflected in the ratings.
@@MaineOneV1 yeah because most NBA fans don’t really like the game of basketball.they want this to be the WWE. Just a bunch of storylines and narratives and “aura” whatever that means.
I don’t know how you can watch jokics brilliant passing and find it boring. I don’t know how you can watch Gianni’s dominance and find it boring. I’m a Celtics hater but I found their coaching and style of play very entertaining. How they completely picked apart the Mavs. 7/10 finals overall but not really boring.
@@joelman1989nah I understand what you are saying as a real fan of basketball but bro they are being paid millions it wouldn’t hurt for them to try and entertain with charisma and aura just saying
@@Big_talks. yeah I do agree with that actually. Like for example I kind of hate when they get all mad about doing interviews like that’s literally part of your job. And to be clear I do think the game overall is not as interesting. Too much scoring etc. I do think stars felt the pressure to be more entertaining before they were making tens or hundreds of millions because their personality got them brand deals which made them the real money. We probably agree on a lot. I guess I just took the word boring as in there’s nothing at all interesting about the game. Which I think there still is. But I’d agree it’s not the same as the glory days.
Parity isn't the problem. The problem is the *PRODUCT*. People cared about watching guys like Allen Iverson, Kobe Bryant, Vince Carter, and Shaquille O'Neal because of their game, not whether or not they were winning. Shaq was super-popular when he was in Orlando, A.I. was a generational inspiration in spite of never winning a championship. Vince Carter practically defined above the rim play.
What people don't want to watch is San Antonio: Boring, fundamentally-sound basketball played by a bunch of anodyne 3 and D guys standing around the 3-point line looking for a catch and shoot after the ever-predictable pick and roll. And that's the game which the current rules has benefited. Post play is dead, and coaches want players to take open 3s or layups, and it works because the shitty enforcement of traveling and the laughably bad defense restrictions make stopping even the most tepid ballhandler virtually impossible. NBA players are being paid $40 million dollar salaries to play HORSE.
If you want to see exciting basketball, then *making a basket* has to be difficult. It can't just be hucking bricks over half-hearted closeouts, over and over and over again.
Casuals are a blight on the sports community. Always wanting to tear a player or organization down.
i have felt this way for years and this video not only articulates the blatant hypocrisy of nba media and culture, but point blank lays out the facts as they are in simplest terms. great video
This is the NBA’s problem compared to other sports:
It’s a league that’s always been dominated by superstardom. Casual fans often watch out of interest relating to the best players in the league at the time, even if those players aren’t on their local/fav team. Nowadays the talent pool is super diluted, it’s hard for casual fans to keep up with who’s the best anymore because no two players are consistently dominating plus it’s extra hard when talent is always switching teams. Other sports leagues built up their interest based on the teams and they’re made to keep the great players on one team for much longer.
Yea like it used to be!
I don't think "diluted" is the right word. There's like a ton of great players and great teams. I think the issue is the illusion of parity. Mavs just got gentleman's sweeper by a team that featured 5 All-star caliber players in their rotation, with a core that's been together since like 2016/2017
The NBA is intertwined with Aura. The 70s was the dark ages as Kareem didn’t have much aura and the ratings fell. The league was resurrected by Magic and Bird’s rivalry and then Michael Jordan came into the league to make it global. It’s always been about narrative and aura. Non casual fans will complain that it’s irrelevant and parity is the best but at the end of the day it isn’t what the NBA needs to survive or what the majority of people want.
That’s why they’ve been trying to push Ja Morant before his gun battles because he had the “aura”, as well as know trying to push Ant Man because they think he has that “aura”…but I think they’re missing the point. They gotta find someone that people love to hate…Kobe, LeBron, Step and KD Warriors. Somebody that people will wanna tune in to see them fail or succeed. It’s just not the same…the NBA is literally just pick and roll and jacking up 3s and it’s all about who can do it better than the other team. They’ll have their usual off season “drama” surrounding trades and player movement…but that’ll be it.
social media has single handedly ruined society. Everyone's attention span is near zero and the love for things we used to value has diminished.
It is what it is.
How can we improve it
I had this conversation when the Warriors and Cavaliers kept making the finals. My friends thought it was boring. I said that it was good for the league because it kept a bit of consistency. It was easier for new fans to pick a team to root for and to root against because both were expected to meet in the finals the next year.
Lakers run the league, plain and simple. When the Lakers are in the finals in a normal non-COVID year it's ratings gold. Why do you think First Take runs 10 segments about the Lakers and Lebron before they talk about Boston for 10 seconds. Unless an insanely exciting superstar emerges, the ratings are gonna keep going down until the Lakers are back in the Finals. Because damn sure nobody is getting excited for the bland ass whitebread combo of Tatum and Brown lmao.
Finally somebody understands. You hit the nail on the head. This is why Wemby needs to be a franchise player...for the Lakers.
Maybe because Tatum and Brown are all about playing ball instead of getting involved with narratives and drama, the same narratives and drama that has been trying to tear them apart for years. If that makes them "bland" or "white bread," I'm sure that they'll glady take it with their championship rings.
It’s cause both don’t care about narratives 😂
Idc what anybody says, the KD Warriors was the worst few years in NBA history
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people fr trying to force the narrative that era was a good product crazy.
I agree 100% soon as kd went to the warriors we all knew who was going to win each year.
People act like KD rode the bench in those Warriors teams. He was by far the best player on the roster and the 2nd best option doesn’t even compare
"Middle school me" hit hard man, it ain't jus Lebron, KD n Steph that's aging, we r too 😢😂😢
They always say Wemby SGA or Edwards for the face of the league when everybody knows it's going to be Luka Doncic. Why does the national media hate the next big player so much
Wemby is on a rebuilding team it's not happening soon. Edwards and SGA just met Luka doncic and packed their bags to Cancun.
Will the real best player besides Jokic please stand up
I had a good laugh at “Besides Mike Malone because he’s annoying”
Love my HC, but I get it
I have been saying for a long time, the ratings/interest are always at their best when there is a dynasty or stacked teams!
Or the face of the nba is in the mix
Great video once again. Keep up the good work Swishout 🤝
I think a huge part of this is because the 'new stars' get rarely talked about during the regular season when it comes time for the big stage no body wants to watch.
Can’t touch anybody, travel calls are called “Euro Step”, players are not competitive and take games off. The game is soft and the players are too. Sports media has become all about rumors and gossip.
All FACTS! Plus they players don't play for the love of the game and only care about the money!
Yup I hate the inconsistent officiating and all the load management, some of the egos rub me the wrong way too. If you gotta keep tellin everyone you're the goat, maybe you ain't the goat. I'd personally love to see more Pistons style bully-ball but that's just my casual opinion.
@@George-dy3pt it’s been that way since the beginning
@@Cpt.Deplorablenone of you watched the video and this is the problem. All this complaining but fans don’t really know what they want. Tough play was penalized because the fans complained, then when it disappeared the fans complained. Lebron and the warriors dominating made the fans complain, now there’s no dominance and they’re still complaining!
Y’all will always be complaining!
The biggest lie is that the west is this hyper competitive conference yet since 1999 it’s really been dominated by 3 teams. The Lakers (8 finals appearances), the Spurs and the Warriors (6 finals appearances each). Throw in Dallas and you have 4 teams with 23 finals appearances in 25 years in a conference that’s supposed to be a bloodbath.
I mean that's only true if you look exclusively at the outcomes, those four teams had to fight like hell against some legit fantastic teams to get there, something the eastern conference champions just didn't have to do for the most part
Had same thoughts but look at the star power of the west compared to the east
Nonsense, those teams just had the most consistently good rosters. Doesn’t mean that the playoffs they were in and seedings they had to compete for were any less hard earned
Get better, Swish! Awesome video as always
You guys have a looooong way to go. As a football fan, now that Messi and Ronaldo are basically retiring it is so unbelievably evident that there’s nobody good enough to do 1/8 of what they’ve done legacy wise. Sports are moving away from skilled players and more towards athletes and it’s showing in every sport worldwide. Soon they’ll be telling you that players with good stats and efficiency that are clearly unskilled when you watch them or boring in better terms, are best ‘most exciting’ prospects they’ve ever seen.
Kd and lebron basically saved the league 😭😭
I also think politics have played a factor into the ratings.
Lol
This inadvertedly proves that many debates over who is better, which era is better, which team is better is fueled by who the media glazes the most. 90% of basketball debates are just purely based on an interesting video they saw about their favourite team/player/era/position.
Sports need rivalry, that’s why la liga was so popular during the 2010s, the NBA needs a new multi season rivalry, hopefully the bucks vs pacers thing escalates next season
The NBA lacks competitive fire that Kobe brought
Please stop lol
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Yall bring up kobe for literally anything lmao let the man rest in peace
@apexways4733 So because he passed away I'm not supposed to bring him up in NBA conversations? Like he never existed?
@@jareddickerson5127he’s irrelevant to even bring up in this conversation. it’s corny as fuck and dragged out lmao
boston winning the championship was equivalent to chick winning the piston cup in the movie cars 💀👀
cope harder keep writing fan fiction
@@jelu-ol6tw cope with what? I doesn't bother me that they won
I’m sure you thought of this on your own, and didn’t take it from a meme and write it here
@@mv3507 you're absolutely right, it took me all of 5 seconds to see boston and think of chick and put two and two together
I’m glad you’re mentioning this. I was just thinking about how we didn’t have one of those 5-6 stars in the finals over the past few years
The thing about parity is, people want to believe anyone can take home the trophy when the Playoffs roll around. But when it comes down to it, people want to see the biggest stars and the best performances throughout the Playoffs and in the Finals. The KD Warriors are too much. But what we have now isn't really great either.
I think you're absolutely right. People don't want 'parity', they just want their team to dominate. I'll admit that's exactly what I want, and as a Golden State fan I got to enjoy that for years. I still watched the playoffs this year even without the Warriors in them, and it was still entertaining, but I'd be a lot more invested if I was watching my team.
It would he easier for the new stars and rookies to make thier mark if the aging superstars would retire and stop sandbagging thier teams with giant contracts and play that has fallen off
This entire video, word after word was L after L.
I love the parity. The fact that almost any team in the playoffs could win it all. No one is dominating and anyone can be beat. It feels real NCAA tournament like.
I think Boston’s path to the finals is what made this years finals so boring. We watched the mavs battle it out every night in the west and Boston coast right by the east because of injuries. I’m not saying it’s Boston’s fault teams got hurt but it makes for an anticlimactic finals when one team was basically handed the eastern conference finals. Would’ve been more exciting had they actually worked for it
Good, well thought-out assessment!
I like that it’s a new champion every year
Honestly, it feels like there are more people than ever talking about basketball on social media, but way less actually watching the games.
Which kinda makes sense, because they are both a form of entertainment, just in a different way. Not that everyone talking basketball on Reddit, Twitter, Instagram etc aren’t watching at all. Just less probably, because where back in the day if you had an itch for more basketball entertainment, you would turn the TV on and see who is playing. Then talk about it with friends etc.
Now you can just go online and watch clips, CZcams videos, and discuss basketball, and maybe only watch the really important games(1-2 per week/primetime games). Also there’s more basketball talk shows than ever now.
It’s so funny. These finals were boring because it was a juggernaut superteam with one of the most dominant seasons in NBA history steamrolling a 5 seed and 90% of people picked the 5 seed lol.
a-train beat goes hard
Nba national media failed the casual viewer. They dont do enough to promote the young talent and let people appreciate the teams that play good basketball. By making it about legacy talk, beef and individuals the casual view is conditioned to not care about basketball but only narratives.
However i think this year and last year in particular was ruined by injuries mainly to giannis who is probably the 3rd biggest superstar rn and also to the knicks. If the celtics had to play the bucks and knicks before going to the finals, i truly believe some momentum from those series would have carried into the finals. The conf finals being non competitive took the air out of the playoffs, forcing us to overhype the finals which only led to disappointment
It isn't hard to sell parity. The issue is that, in the middle of a season of parity, you have general managers who genuinely don't know what they are doing and as a result take away a large fan base.
I’ve been waiting on this video since you release your last video🤣🤣🤣
great observation and thanks for posting the video. Thanks
I think this phenomenon happens in other sports too. Women's MMA ratings was driven because Ronda was dominating. Some of the people I know went to be NBA fan because they were curious when GSW was dominating the league last decade.
This is why we are getting expansion teams in Seattle & Las Vegas
We need NBA villians back
NBA was almost dead before cable tv. That really didn't happen until mid 80's. Without LA in the finals, no one watches. I'm SoCal, used to get all games free and I'm not 60. Not even close.
As a Celtics fan, all I gotta say is “F**K YO AURA” ☘️🏆☘️
The only thing worth watching is Inside the NBA. Once that is gone after next season, the NBA will continue to lose viewership. The games are just not that competitive anymore.
Notification squad love ya swish🎉
Dat last part is really the Truth
this was a Really Good Video
People are more interested in familiarity and toxicity - an eternal quote.
It was good to watch a playoffs where you don't know where it's going. Besides Boston you thought anyone could make it. Love it