eBikes with Next Gen Range (100+ Miles)
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- čas přidán 19. 05. 2024
- The biggest problem with ebikes right now is their limited range and small batteries. Here I layout bikes that deliver higher voltage, larger capacity batteries and game changing range.
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I got 2 of the 52v aniioki a8 max pros. I did 124 miles on one charge throttle only. Im 5'8" 230 lbs. And had no issues at all. It kept speed around 35 to 37 mph. Did alot of off road and uphill. I live in vegas and windy to. This bike has power and the range is absolutely perfect.
These are exciting. I wish they came with a slightly stronger motor like the 2000w peak on my Juiced HyperScrambler 2 with 2x 20ah batteries.
Good comparison..putting data..side by side..thanks..👍🏽
I bought the Aniioki AQ177 Pro Max off of Amazon and it also has a 48v 60ah battery on a 750w motor (wish i had held out for the 52v 1000w version, though). The frame looks better than the Juliet, imo, though the Juliet appears to be slightly better specced out. I can attest that it DOES go 90+ miles, while pedaling at 20 mph. I haven't tested it on throttle only yet, as i like to use the bike for exercise. It topped out at 26 mph on the stock 20 PSI tires, but i recently changed to some 30 PSI tires and I can push it to 28 mph now. The bike and the battery are both heavy, though.
Wow, this is the first time I heard of Eahora ebikes. Their batteries are truly massive...60ah!
I got Romeo and Juliet arriving in 5 days
It is exciting to see these larger capacity batteries. I have an e-bike with 2 20ah batteries and it can be a hassle to charge both batteries. My next e-bike will likely be one of these larger battery bikes. Now if only they would use mag wheels instead of spokes on these already heavy bikes...
If you have them wired in parallel when you charge one it will self balance with the other battery.
Unless you're talking about charging them off the bike.
Two chargers and a double adaptor. Use a marine on/off switch to cut the parallel connection if it's a diy rig.
There's also a thing called battery mixer that balances the packs safely during use, more for dissimilar Ah but eh can't hurt
Bro if you buy this bike forget about battery guarantee and don't believe aniioki sales customers service. aniioki is fraud bike company 100%
For those who are good with shifting, and don't over load the bike in low gears, a mid-drive ebike with normal bicycle tires is likely to provide the longest travel time. Sadly there are few economical selections available and most are too large for short people ie: 28" or less in leg inseam length. Mid-drives also tend to provide the strongest motors as well. (In combination with gearing and light weight) The down side is that poor shifting and/or heavy application of power in the wrong gear (Low gears) can break chains and ruin sprockets.
I have the Aniioki AQ177 pro Max. Step-thru . It also has the 60ah battery. They use automotive grade plane technology battery. I love the bike. It definitely will do 100 miles. On a single charge.
I bought this bike 2 months ago. After driving for a long time, the battery gets very hot. Nowadays, it does not charge to the end and I turned to help the manufacturer aniioki. Believe it or not, they started extorting money or buying a new battery from this aniioki. I said that I still have a warranty on the battery, but they refused to help me. Please don't buy or waste your money on this piece of garbage
I love it, got an ebike, claimed to do 45km on a single charge, happened to do maybe 35km... Also, the big advantage of dual battery is you theoretically double the amps.
Great video! Thanks alot
How do you lock this bike? What lock do you use? I’m thinking of the Hiplock D1000, but looking at the size of the wheels and frame shape I’m not sure? Thanks?
Nice. Im waiting for a reviewer who will actually take the ebike battery apart to find out how much power is actually inside them haha.😂
Have a "next gen" bike on order that comes with the CYC X1 PRO Gen 3 mid-drive (3500w nominal 4500w peak) and a single 52v 30A (1560wh) battery. It's advertise as 100m with PA and 45m throttle only. That estimate is based on a class 3 28mph pace. So we have to keep in mind that future motors will become more power efficient too so we may not always have to keep increasing battery size to get more mileage. Great vid!
Do you have a link for the bike you purchased with CYC Pro motor?
@@lukewalker1051 sounds like a ristretto 512
@@lukewalker1051 Yes Ristretto 512 as David mentioned. But I strongly suggest you don't look into it or you will buy one.
I’d recommend going 72v on the cyc pro. Loose a lot of its potential if you don’t
@@AaronSmith-mn2hu I agree and hope to. I say hope as I have to see how they have the battery connecting, looks proprietary and not sure if they have the firmware locked or not. It's a CYC display that comes with the mid-drive but tailored firmware.
Probably won't recieve a reply but did you ever get an Eahora? I'm trying to find a good well rounded review on the Juliet or the Romeo and I keep coming up short. And if anyone else has any expirence on either of these bikes I would really apperciate so insight.
Ariel Rider Grizzly has been around for a long time with 52 volts and two batteries that total 35 amp hours. It isn't at these price points though. 60 amp hour battery sounds great though.
It looks like both the aniioki and the eahorae are using the same battery supplier. it looks like blade cells / pouch lithium. i am curious about this battery more than the bikes. if it is compact enough you could probably use it for other bikes / custom projects. very interesting. about time the ebike industry made some progress.
This was so fun.
Checking out the page for it, and also shows that the Romeo will have a cargo rack for the back as well. So that could be quite a big thing for it, personally realllly hoping to see more about the Romeo. Seems about just my style
I got Romeo and Juliet arriving this week i will make a video about them
Did you ever those bikes delivered? @@Arubapower13
only thing about huge batteries is the additional weight will warrant a more powerful motor and controller. And this thing has a basic 1000w motor, 28amp controller. It will probably feel sluggish from the weight
That's not the impression I'm getting as I watch the two main channels of guys who have the Juliett model doing food delivery's all over New York City,
Im excited for my grandkids. Imagine the range with lighter, cheaper batteries they will get!
It's too big, heavy and powerful for your grandkids. Get them a razor scooter instead.
I have the Aniioki a8 Pro max just be careful with very long trips it can damage the controller as it happened to me
Please tell me I have nothing to worry about, if I only plan on using either of there 60 AMP models to make delivery's on city streets for about 5 hours a day doing 75 miles , 5 days a week:
I'm surprised you didn't mention the step through model of the Aniioki. It's the least expensive and still has the 48v 60ah battery
I bought this bike 2 months ago. After driving for a long time, the battery gets very hot. Nowadays, it does not charge to the end and I turned to help the manufacturer aniioki. Believe it or not, they started extorting money or buying a new battery from this aniioki. I said that I still have a warranty on the battery, but they refused to help me. Please don't buy or waste your money on this piece of garbage
Maybe you spoke to the trainee guy..don’t know what talking about..check the manager..good luck..👍🏽
@@romavillamiguel9845 I spoke with customer service this fraud bike company aniioki
@@romavillamiguel9845 very bad customer service aniioki
@@romavillamiguel9845 I spoke with manager this fraud company. After 2 months the battery aniioki is not fully charging and when I spoke this fraud manager about battery they ask me money. Forget about battery's guarantee
I just got a Talaria XXX (X3) Concept from China for about $3k, excited because it’s 40AH 5500W, should get a good range. One day I’ll increase the battery size maybe 60-80Ah when they release more.
if i was about 20 years younger that's the bike i would buy the talaria xxx with the peddle pkg
Alloy wheels should be standard at the $1500 (U.S.) price point, no matter the design or size of the E-Bike!
I reviewed the bullet GT. I have the single battery 20ah version and I only made it 15.88 miles.
Annioki is the one for me.😊
48 volt battery just don't have the punch if you live in areas that have hills the 48 volt battery just don't do it you struggle up hills and battery sag compared to a 52 or 60 volt is noticeable now if you live in areas that are flat then a 48 volt is fine i had bikes with 48 volt batteries and had trouble then i bought the freedom and what a difference I'm from western pa and flat ground is scarce i just went 40 miles on the freedom and still had half my battery with little sag so for me based on my area 48 volts is out again npl nice review
Is the true mfg company listed on the battery metal case or any of the battery plastic parts? Would love to build my own bike
I love my new Talaria Sting R. Huge battery 45ah.
I'm looking into the Fabulous big dual motor X2 bike .. It's using a 24ah 60 volt. That's not bad at all. You figure you don't really need dual motor mode full time and it should last 35 miles in normal rear motor, throttle only mode. Peppy bike with 200 Nm of torque using dual motors. Nice jump from a regular 48V motor maybe producing 80Nm of torque. A 100 lb bike with no rear suspension but it's got a torque sensor and cadence system. Very interested in it. Bafang 160 Nm mid drive "Eat your heart out Biaatch"!😁
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Eahora Romeo and Juliet are 48v 60ah i just got both of them
do these get better acceleration than a Super73?
Thousand dollar batteries .. Not bad for a 2k bike
I’m 5’2 would I be able to get on this bike?
Get the Romeo to review it’s next level 9 hours riding 60 miles and no battery bars gone it’s insane
Hey sir I have some questions for you if you have time at any point! :)
Dang the Romeo in black is sold out 😢
Battery prices will continue to fall as technology improves and the EV car market scales. The energy density will increase and the cost will decrease over time. Fast charging may eliminate the need for ever larger capacity.
I’d like to see more bikes come pre wired for an additional battery. The high power 60v systems seems to have so many advantages, besides cost, I can’t think of any negatives.
Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but I'm learning from comments left here and there, and one comment was left with the owner of the Juliett confirming
that the front brakes don't support the weight of the battery that well, and the bike wobbles terribly when using the front brakes, so it seems it's safer only to use
the back brakes, (I'de never thought of that) I hope it makes sense,
Rider weight & cargo weight affect the range of the battery, there is no way to estimate battery range without knowing the weight of rider & cargo on any ebike.
The batteries that come on these bikes are misleading. While we always seek the higher amp hour batteries, the bike manufactures do not indicate to the consumers if they are 21700 or 18650 cells. Even if the advertisements claim lithium batteries, it is difficult to verify if that is the case once we buy the ebikes because the manufacturers can easily place fake labels the batteries such as being LG, Samsung, lithium phosphate or UL rated without any way for us consumers to verify the facts.
So are your saying it's much harder if not impossible for a UL listed battery to be falsified? There are a handful of suppliers that do provide UL listed batteries in case your wondering,
I have yet to get more than 20 miles out of a single 20Ah charge, and that's riding 50% power while peddling the entire time, averaging maybe 12 mph.
Open up your battery they probably lied about its specs
I tend to get between 25-30 miles out of a 20ah battery, but that's while limiting myself to 20-25 mph, on throttle. I have 3 bikes (52v, 52v, 48v) with that capacity.
You are correct that Volts x Amps = Power (Watts), but that is NOT Ohm's law. Ohm's law is Volts = Amps x Resistance; it has nothing to do with power (watts). Not the first CZcamsr to make that mistake.
Hmm, I'm not sure why ebike batteries are so behind. On my electric skateboard, I have a 12s8p that is 1450Wh. Not at all a bulky board either. It's about half the thickness of the battery capacity of the bikes you're showing in this video.
Can any of these comfortably take an adult passenger?
You can substantially increase range and speed by pedaling. A 26" wheel bike with a seatpost is much better to pedal then a 20" wheel moped style bike with a motorcycle seat. Also, because of the 20" wheels it's impossible to have gearing high enough to do meaningful pedaling above 20mph. It's much nicer to throttle the bike with the pedals than with the throttle.
That's you opinion in the end though. A lot of people only use throttle, some only pas and some use both. It depends on the person and use case scenario but yeah those style bikes do suck ass to pedal.
I agree 100%. Anyone who likes to pedal, or is tall or over 30 will much prefer a bike like a Wired Freedom over a kid style motorcycle with pegs or an e-moped bike with a single gear. Nothing wrong with throttle only but it is a little bit of rationalization since those “bikes” really can’t be pedaled. Also, I have both a 20x4 and a 26x4 and find the stability at speed MUCH better on 26x4. Anything over 25mph on the smaller wheels is unstable in comparison.
@@jfly2249 yeah the small wheels are good for acceleration but everyone these days wants to go over 30mph and most bike have like 20in rims so it's terrible lol. I have an aventon level that's modified to 1200w and I love it. 27.5 wheels 52t chainring and 11 to 40t cassette so I can still pedal comfortably even at 30mph and it's stable. Honestly if it was possible I'd go to 29in wheels. Another thing that annoys me is all the typical 20 or 26in fat tire ebikes that are so popular and so many people purchase, just to ride it on pavement 24/7 lol.
@@Nalladolla32 I have a Troxus Explorer 26" wheel fat bike. I modified it with a 52t chainring, 11-28 cassette, and 26x3" slicks. I'm thinking of going up to a 60t chainring, there's plenty of clearance for it. The diameter of the 26x3" slick is about the same as a 29er. The Troxus accelerates very well and I can get to 33mph fairly easily with pedaling. I only ride it on pavement for transportation. I'd want a full suspension bike if I were to ride on dirt.
@@jfly2249 My 26" wheel fat bike is remarkably stable at speed, cheers.
I have 48v 30 AH bike. 1400w peak power.
It only does 20 miles or so full speed off its own battery.
You have to remember theze batteries are " empty" around 50% discharge level to protect the cells from damage.
So all these watt hour calculations are misleading and need halved.
Beware that these batteries are not name brand cells. Some models claim certified but not listed as certified on battery.
Many don't understand or know that battery quality will dictate how soon batteries will start to degrade. So that initial mileage you get from these batteries will be like 70-80% in literally a few months. I wish content creators would mention this when they do their reviews and educated people. Good comment!
@@ashegam Agree 100%. Moreover, the more powerful the bike, the better the battery required. Hi discharge rates kill batteries quickly. Have heard many people with the Ariel Rider cannot achieve the same top speed after just a few cycles. Low quality cell + heavy use and neglect = Risk of thermal runaway. We need UL certification of battery packs as e bikes grow in popularity.
Seems weird that people concerned with UL certs are not concerned with going over 30mph on a bike 🤕
@@Negrodomaus when I was younger I could pedal over 30 mph on my racing bike and I wasn't concerned about my bike burning up.
The more amps the controller is capable of, the faster the battery drains, and the faster the bike goes, that is the other variable in thee equation..
The Eahora Juliet is basically the same bike as the Aniioki but with slightly better specs and, imo, looks. I have one, it's a great upgrade from my Lectric XP 2.0. 🙂
The juliet is a step through, they automatically get 10 to 15 miles less range due to form.
Can you offer any opinion about the front brakes not supporting the bike that well, due to the heavy weight of the battery, another Juliett owner said this, (said there is really bad wobble at times because of the weight of the battery, )
@@flolou8496 I haven't noticed any wobble caused by the brakes on mine. They do rub a bit without any pressure applied but in operation they're smooth. My guess is the owner 'bedded' the brakes improperly causing an uneveness on the brake disc surface. Either that or the tire isn't mounted perfectly to the rim. Could be a number of factors. I also need to remove the spoke reflectors as they vibrate at certain speeds.
@@DesuVR How do you feel about the default seat comfort and how well it's absorbing the road?
@@flolou8496 It's surprisingly good considering the seat post isn't suspension. It's a wide area that contours to the rump, but my personal comfort limit is around 2 hours whether it's on this seat or on my XP 2.0 with a Cloud9 Cruiser sadle and suspension seat post. I'd like to swap the seat posts but a suspension post on the Juliet makes it too tall for my liking (~5'11").
Custom: I carry 55ah @ 48v for touring
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Adding another 1000 watt geared hub motor in the front, and bumping the peak to 2000+ each would make these much better when needed with switch of a literal switch. If they are offering a 52V version Why not a 72V? That would “murk” the 48/52 versions. We are finally heading in the right direction. Also there needs to be a plethora of lighter full size e-bikes that out out far more power than what is currently on the market. And the 36-48Volt versions need to be upped to 72 to get true climbing prowess. That is probably the main reason people buy e-bikes to begin with especially the full size lighter ones.
They keep the voltage and power low for legal reasons thats why most dont market 72v 5kw bikes since they need to be registered as mopeds or motorcycles. Front wheel motor output should always be lower than rear motor output for safety and if this bike was a mid drive it would climb much better
The 60ah battery is like 30 lbs alone. You're not gonna get a high capacity battery on a "light" bike.
If i told you my design holds over 100ah worth of batteries would you believe me? Haha
Limited range and small batteries aren't a problem with eBIKES, it's a problem with eMOPEDS. They should just take the pedals off of them and be done with it already.
And if you get stuck somewhere with a low/dead battery, then what do you do with no pedals? Besides legal technicalities, that's kinda what the pedals are there for. You always have that emergency backup.
It's light. Not good for high speed as of a motorcycle.
You won't change anyone's mind on that, unfortunately.
Our new Trek E bikes advertise “Up to 60 miles in eco mode”. We ride full boost all the time and only get 15, or 45 minutes of riding. Oh well. They’re fabulous bikes.
I bought this bike 2 months ago. After driving for a long time, the battery gets very hot. Nowadays, it does not charge to the end and I turned to help the manufacturer aniioki. Believe it or not, they started extorting money or buying a new battery from this aniioki. I said that I still have a warranty on the battery, but they refused to help me. Please don't buy or waste your money on this piece of garbage🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮💩💩💩💩
Just add a rear rack that can hold a second battery.
They look ugly with two batteries.
My response as well. By a 20amp-hr bike like the blue model shown with dual suspension. If you need 40 amp-hr, mount a second shark battery on the rear rack.
Benefit of this is weight. Most 20 amp hour bikes will do 40-50 miles depending on how much the rider pedals. Most rides are less than that so only need 20 amp-hrs or so. Meanwhile save the extra 10 lbs...about 10 lbs = 1 kw.
Btw, great video and great content for ebikers to consider.
@@lukewalker1051ideally, I'd like to not care how far I "can" ride off a single charge (range anxiety), and just ride. Whether I NEED the extra range isn't the point. I can't really do that with just a 20ah battery
Nice photo :)
Least you could do is give credit to the photographer before you plop it in your thumbnail.
Are you the photographer? I pulled this from their website.
If you are let me know how you would like to be credited in the description.
@@NPLVentures yeah! It's my bike in the thumbnail! And thanks!
A ebike that cheap and a big battery like that. Something sure as hell don’t add up. I bet if you stripped that battery out half the batterys are fake and filled with sand or something.