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Banksy may be one of the most well-known artists in the world - but is he deep or dumb? We'll explore Banksy's influences and goals to see if he lives up to all the hype.
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Bring back 8 bit philosophy pleaseee
I was surprised you did not bring up the "artist" Mr. Brainwash. Is he some sort of symbolism of the byproduct of the street art? Why leave him out?
Guys I would really love If you describe the people and art movements mentioned in the video. Write it in the description maybe.
Is wix crack , crack or dumb, please see the and C's from dicourse on this issue. P.s I knew him for a while , and new who he was for longer than ur very gud channel has ever been in existence for. Keep the chat going folks
Yo, cool video. Just one thing though, isn't your definition of structuralism kinda circular ( 7:04 ). Like didn't Euythyphro's dilemma kinda debunk the idea that culture/ambiguous groups assigns meaning. My point is that there has to be a reason that the audience assigns certain meaning to Banksy's art. If it's not his intention, then what? I could be missing some nuance in your argument, could you please clarify?
"Anti-Capitalism"
-Brought to you by Capitalism.
I diagnose you with underrated comment.
Come home to the taste of shattering the grand illusion come home to Simple Ricks Wafers
It's the same thing that happened to _The Simpsons._
They started out criticizing popular culture.... but then they *_became_* popular culture.
The Simpsons though is kind of a really nice representation of complex emotions even today. It's a part of counter culture, I dont think it's all that negative
Every underground movement has its day in the sun.
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Even the Wimbledon wombledons had a TV show (fly on the wall TV , docu-drama)
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But Womblies are not the only ones.
Hobbits and Orcs have been used abused and grossly misrepresented.
Dwarves ?
Fairys ?
Leperchawns
The Beatles.
Trump
All live in holes.
Not to merntion the most famous in his glorious poverty ; Sitric O Sassanagh
There was no one in Ireland comparable to O’Sanassa in the excellence of his poverty; the amount of famine which was delineated in his person. He had neither pig nor cup nor any household goods. In the depths of winter I often saw him on the hillside fighting and competing with a stray dog, both contending for a narrow hard bone and the same snorting and angry barking issuing from them both.
But I've probably said enough already. There are Elven spies everywhere.
All things are marketable for capitalism even anticapitalism.
paco ramon it’s quite scary. You want to fight it and it makes you one of it. Now you’re a dog chasing your own tail.
Can't beat greed.
@@Sullivancohen The full automation of jobs will doom our lives in future.The elites must make "universal basic income" to solve this problem.Maybe losing their buying power will motivate the elites.😂
Capitalism is not a mindset or ideologue chaps, it is merely a tool a free individual can use to benefit their life. However, greed, corruption and narcissism are the root of evil which is not only prevalent in western societies. Look at what the alternatives are; Marxism/communism/dictatorships/feudalism etc etc. Stop hating the game, learn how to play it fools.
@Charming Billy the guy above you is correct though, eventually machines and software will take away the livelihood of somewhere between 75 to 90% of the workforce, globally. What do you think will happen then?
Well he never claimed to be deep. He said himself "I can't believe idiots buy my graffiti for millions"
@@m.ltheextinctchannel9975 ok I get you. He tries to be edgy on purpose
My guess is he started out genuinely trying to an artist with a message against Capitalism and in the end was actually sucked in along the way and has become what he once tried to lash out at.
and that statement is precisely the most capitalist thing to do, Steve Jobs said, I don't look for what people need, I tell them what they want, Miyazaki said his career and movies were a mistake. Statements like these only serve to solidify your brand and sell millions.
Ed Purcell
Maybe he realized the vanity of artistic challenging. There’s no escaping capitalism. And I mean, it’s been quite profitable for him.
@@edthegoomba I could see that. I can't imagine staring a million bucks in the face and saying no. But also, and this is something that I've never seen or heard brought up, he/she might be donating the money OR running a charity. We have no idea who this person is. We've heard a man's voice in Exit through the giftshop, but we never see them. You know? So yeah he absolutely could be a lame ass sell-out or he could be running a charity. Or he could be a she. Who knows? That's what I like about Banksy. The mystery is the allure.
It is terrifying to see Garix, kidnapped, dyed and his eyebrows shaved off.
#freegarix
I am Sorry, but I find him kinda hot.
heh
hot even without the brows@@norbertomaya790
#freegarix
Man, you are looking at the wrong way. If Garix is here in this video then it means time travel is possible and we must fund further research
And yet nobody asks _how is Banksy_
Hes pretty damn rich thats for sure.
I'll do you one better WHY IS BANKSKY
I'll do you one better: WHY is Banksy?
I’ll do you one better WHAT IS A BANKSY?
@@freshlymemed5680 he probably lives in a simple apartment, owns a Private studio and donated all his money to charity and stuff
Banksy is like a Rorschach test - what you see in Banksy tells more about you than it does about Banksy.
Please do explain because that is quite the leap in logic
i just think he's kinda dull.
Jackson Hermelee
what “leap in logic” is present here
banksy is a funny guy
Can you name a single artist that can't be described in the exact same way?
Can we take a second to talk about how terrifying that claymation clip with the pig was?
It's an intellectual art.
They portrayed America's excess like it was a bad thing when in reality it's a testament to our success as a nation.
The irony is that most of our fat people are the poor who eat cheap ass fast food
And how much falsehoods were told during it. I get tired of America fat my land awesome. America is probably one of the healthiest buffest countries as well. Just because Chinese are skinny doesn't mean they are healthy or fit at all. Quite the opposite
@@bigdbigooo7829 wow did you ever misunderstand that message. It's not at all about obesity and health = It's about over-consumption - not just of food but of all kinds of consumer goods and resources
If Banksy truly wanted to be an anti-artist, he should have become an accountant.
HotSkull maybe he is one 😄
I find accounting tables and relatories often to be quite aesthetically pleasing.
So, I'm sorry, but what?
yeah that would've been exciting.
i like your humor. humour? i think humor..
I have the feeling he would find away to turn accounting into art.
I was always fascinated by Banksy. Like, I didn’t think you could gentrify vandalism, but through sheer force of Will he did it.
Funniest shit I've seen in a while
Actually, the media did it
@Akilleus Nah, graffiti was never made capitalistic before, the police used to arrest people who did graffiti but people are tearing down walls Banksy vandalizes and sell them.
The art industry is a huge shell game that only exist to help rich asshole launder money, get richer, and dodge taxes. Of course they are going to clamor to an artist that they don't even have to pay. Shit the stunt of shredding his art work showed how pointless art has become that piece was going to be bought by some rich asshole for a couple million then a few months later valued for twice it's buying value all his stunt did was give an excuse.
Pink bansky, using the system that he “fights”
Banksy is to visual art as Nirvana is to music. Anti-consumerism sold as a commodity.
Yeah but Nirvana rocked, And made you feel something. I don't get that with Banksy, seen a few things he did but didn't feel any sort of way.
@@bigdbigooo7829 true
@@bigdbigooo7829 some people think the same way about nirvana
Nirvana wasn’t anti consumerism.. none of their lyrics ever had that sentiment
@@wilhelmvg9978 "hes the one who likes our preatty songs and likes to sings along and likes to shoot his gun but he dont know what it means" In bloom
"I wish I was like you easily amused" all apologies
The first one was about how so many peole would enjoy and buy his music but they dont get the message cuase they only care about how popular the band is.
I dont have any solid answers but that's what I could come up with🤷♂️
I'm not sure what to think of Banksy's success. I think it's cruel to expect artist to starve, but at the same time it does seem to go against what he's trying to say. But if no one sees or notices art it dies. Maybe the fact that people are talking about this, instead of what happened on the Bachelor is the most important thing Banksy art has done. People are engaged in the discuss on the impact of capitalism on art and our daily lives and the very meaning of 'art.' Maybe that's the point, just to have the discussion.
@Nick Knight Beats Same here, I like Banksy's art, didn't really care about the ''anti-capitalist'' theme behind it. Honestly, I don't care about whether it has any deeper meaning, so long it is interesting, I consider it good art.
Thing is, I don't think it necessarily had to be a binary choice between "starving artist whose art is never seen" and "Banksy the millionaire agent of capitalism". If, say, he'd made a public show of consistently donating the profits from his works to various charities and organisations, it would have resulted in an essentially win-win situation for him - he could maintain his artistic integrity of being an anti-capitalist artist by not only refusing to accept the wealth that was being foisted on him but by refusing it in a highly productive manner to help the causes his works make it seem he cares about...as well as making the art snobs paying such huge sums of money seem like fools for doing so. It would essentially be beating the capitalism of the art world at its own game. As it is, he's made the binary choice of becoming Banksy the millionaire whose pictures spread the message of "capitalism bad" but who also won't put up many objections to his works being preserved and sold for thousands.
I get your point, but Im not really sure it's that much better for people to talk about Banksy than it is to talk about the Bachelor. I mean, they aren't really discussing the actual issues or any way of solving them, they are just having dinner parties and talking about pieces of art... they could be discussing the Bachelor for all the good that it does to addressing those issues. But well that is debatable, it's hard for me to quantify the effect it has.
At worst though (Im not necessarily saying this, but its worth thinking about), he is selling stuff that only exists thanks to the actual issues. So, in a way, he profits on top of the terrible issues he critiques. Depends on how you look at it, that would put him right down there with the worst of the greedy capitalists.
What? His entire goal was to be famous. His art is not deep. I don't think he would ever claim that it was. It's just cheeky ironic pop art.
I'm sure what to think of it: he's a thief and a plagiarist. The world is marketing nothing else, the only reason he's popular is because of his marketing. By virtue of the fact that he stole the idea/main theme for the overwhelming majority of his work, makes him a shit artist, thus making his art shit (my opinion and logic).
The original masterminds are seldom celebrated and more or less forgotten.
Viva le Blek.
I'm surprised the biggest problem of Bansky (in my opinion) wasn't even touched on: his work is merely critical, not propositional. Yes, "capitalism bad", but critiques of capitalism are so commonplace nowadays that merely critiquing, while important, ends up being shallow.
Banksy is a great artist in the sense that he gets his message across brilliantly and effectively. Even if said art is eventually gentrified, its effects and messages remain in the popular imaginary. But he can only do so by sending arguably shallow messages in the first place (after all, even simple pieces of officers kissing can be misinterpreted).
I wouldn't even say it is critical as much as it is cynical.
this is exactly what i was telling my screen for the full 16 min thank you clap clap tongue pop clap death drop clap clap clap
I think this is a broader problem with the “culture jamming” from which he seems to draw inspiration. If you draw a Hitler mustache on Ronald McDonald, it’s still a grotesque and empty artistic symbol, and giving it more self-awareness doesn’t do anything to change the underlying lack of beauty in capitalism.
Well it's his choice what he puts up. He's a doomer, so it's more natural of him to paint doom rather than blossom.
When he first started, his message wasn't necessarily common to all folk. I'm from a rural community that worships capitalism and think Reagan is still their president (at least when I was a kid. Now of course, Trump is their president) But anti capitalism rhetoric was not something that dawned on the youth of my town, until the advent of Google and social.media, which is how I was exposed to banksy. My friends and I then tagged our town, replicating his early work. In our high school, it had it's hand in the creation of the punk/skater
Don't do anything because Post Modernism.
You need to go back in history. Modernism was a middle finger to the Victorian ideals of tradition. It put Man at the centre of all discussions. Man was the new God. Post-Modernism goes beyond this. It disregards the existence of a centre. There's no structure, no tradition, every idea is just an echo, resonated by an individual who's nothing more than the mouthpiece of ideologies. We're on the verge of experiencing a Neo-Renaissance period which changes public discussion forever.
@@mridulsharma7994 All my life I've seen the world become more enlightened, more egalitarian against a backdrop of greed and murder that always threatens to annihilate it.
@@Requiredfields2 That's the Shadow. A world incapable of violence can never be peaceful. It will be incapable, but not peaceful. Our collective creativity only serves it's purpose when it's pitched against our collective destructivity. In simple terms, darkness is just the absence of light. But this juxtaposition of existence must never be translated as futility. The duality of life resonates in our cosmos, be it Adam and Eve, Ying and Yang, Shiva and Shakti, 0 and 1... The universe we live in is a dance of opposite dualities which cancel and compliment each other at the same time. While the latter can used to state that the universe has no meaning, the former suggests that if the universe is meaningless, you can assign it any meaning you want. That's how you break the postmodern idea of futility of action.
@@mridulsharma7994 Somehow we have to get beyond meaning, the idea of things having meaning. Because as soon as you have meaning you also meaninglessness. People have their own takes on things and it breaks down. Unless, somehow there could be a unified oneness of meaning or a direct recognition without assigning meaning, something deeper. But that ain't gonna happen. Maybe. :)
@@Requiredfields2 That's where spirituality comes in. A place where boundaries between facts and fantasies are so negligible that a grand unifying force doesn't seem so preposterous. I'm talking about transcending from letting the cosmos drive our thoughts to our thoughts driving the cosmos. Mysticism shows promise in that field. Again, it's all fringe theories, nothing that we'll be able to experience in our lifetimes.
The ONLY thought Banksey provokes in me:
- every 10 years or so an artist challenges my preconceptions about the value of art and I really couldn't give a shit anymore.
Banksey sold a picture for 2 million dollars and then he shredded it! BAM, take that Malcolm's preconceptions about art!
The older I get the less interested I am in stunts and the more I appreciate painting, architecture, photography, installations and sculptures. Shameful I know.
Malcolm Armstrong Oh well, I guess a younger equivalent to you is shocked by it still. Perhaps it has its place
"Hipster Disneyland" summed up my opinion.
This was a very well spoken and felt well researched as an intellectual debate. So thank you for the content.
Hey, not all of them are gonna be home runs
Yeah, I liked some of it but overall I feel like they wasted their theme park idea. Instead of making it something specific to theme parks he just kinda went “uhhhh....capitalism?” Like I like him but I feel like he tends to be focused on capitalism and only capitalism.
@@eadlynjune
To be fair, almost all Communist propaganda came down to "Capitalism is EVIL. Look how well we do together!. Don't try to leave btw".
And no I am not calling Banksy a Communist. However, many narrow complaints can be lobbed on a 1-trick Pony here
fearanarchy My thoughts exactly. I’ve said before overall I like Banksy but he doesn’t seem to be able to do much else. To his credit his piece in “Dismaland” wasn’t really Capitalism but culture related but it still felt very much like other things he’s made. He knows what he likes to make though, I get that.
They have a Banksy’s Wild Ride in Disney Japan. 😌
"You can make people swallow anything." - Marcel Duchamp
That's what he said
I'm sorry I'll leave
Or hungry enough
I feel like your confusing post modernism and dadaism, Andy Warhol would have been a better example of some one who challenged what we considerto be art where dadaism was more railing against art trends. Warhols's Brillo's boxes specifically.
Banksy is one of the best living examples of a contradiction. hates capitalism yet is in the market selling his work for millions. hates society's hierarchy of fame and idolisation = has millions of fans worldwide. wants people to agree with this ideology, but them agreeing with him and investing in his character is the problem itself. Ultra confusing, but I hope intentional stuff. Clever guy
Capitalism is good
"and yet you participate in society. curious. I am very intelligent."
Banksy's 'street art' is showcased in museums, behind glass... how ironic.
yes it is. We value those who hate us because we are so insecure we need that validation by those who want no part of our culture, aka how critics want validation from banksy
it's not intended to be touched or breathed upon by the "little people" ...only those sophisticated enough to truly appreciate how wondrously magnificent and yet, cutting edge and gritty the graphics are
@@scottmantooth8785 lmao
Banksy’s fame is the only thing that sets him apart from anyone else. Someone promoted him and publicized him so now we talk about him and his hypocritical messaging about the pretentiousness, laziness, and decadence of the art world.
I went to university in Bristol and part of our course was too find the banksy drawings before he got popular and we had to go to some random ass places. There is still some around but I don't know if the council has protected them or what. The one where the guy is hanging off the window is in a really obvious place in Bristol and is huge so if anyone tries to remove it I'm 1000% sure they will go to prison
Y'know who I'd love to see you guys cover? Bill Waterson/Calvin and Hobbes.
"Thats not art"
You saying that is exactly why it is art
This comment is art
He's a fucking plagiarist (not that Blek le Rat was very original himself...)
I always thought that for someone who hates capitalism so much, it's insane how much he benefits directly from it.
@Joseph Malone Wow.
A comment on a CZcams video that didn't make me want to gouge out my peepers w/ a parisian scoop.
Well done.
@Joseph Malone beautifully said
Banksy might just be a guerrilla remodeler. Think of all those buildings that have holes in them now.
_Guerilla Remodeler._ I like that concept, haha.
its like that guy who kept tagging the building so theyd repaint the whole thing
begging the question of what would you call an actual gorilla who produces guerrilla art...a meta-rilla?
Scott Mantooth Guerrilla Gorilla
@@a.abarker8387 the "paint red, pressure wash here" guy
I always saw the kissing cops picture as a metaphor for nepotism and corruption within the police force to protect their own even if it's against public interest
Oohhh I love this interpretation as well
It actually means fuck the police...... gently.
That's a really nice point!
All I saw was 2 gay cops. And that the message is anyone can be gay
ive not heard this take. I like your interpretation
I enjoy Banksy.
Though I don't think that his works are going to bring down the establishment of high art, they certainly highlight its idiosyncrasies. Also, many of his art pieces use provocative imagery to elicit uncomfortable thoughts about the world that we live in. For that, I say, all the better.
Maybe Hes Not interested in "bettering" anything He Just wants Money and thats His Style
@@bendover2684 same fuckin' thing these days?
@@brianmcmanus4286 lets Hope not
Dada-ism had nothing to do with capitalism or modern life.
It began it's life as a movement in the interbelic period (after WW1) and it's objective was to re-define the concept of beauty. The way they chose the name was by opening a Russian dictionary to a random page and picking a word entirely at random "DADA: a wooden rocking horse" .
The very little effort they put in naming the movement, was reflected in their artwork. Hence why it's one of the shortest art movements, dying with the start of the second WW.
The movement has very few merits apart from starting the modern fine art movement, which I still question whether it was a good thing for the world and it's culture.
"Art is making something out of nothing and selling it." - Frank Zappa
Pretty much, at the end of the day, a Painting is just pigment rubbed against canvas that was stabled onto sheets of wood. That's why I decided to just work digitally.
@@SleepyMatt-zzz Everything is just atoms, so why the fuck bother doing anything. Nihilism is stupid.
prolétaire, well you may as well enjoy them atoms. It’ll be a lot easier.
Out of what?
Work that can't be recreate due to lack of resources, material is art that need to be preserved
Thanks Wisecrack for capturing the struggle of being an artist. Wanting to make a change with your art work only for it to become part of the machine.
Thank you. This was very thought provoking. I've had the good fortune to see his work in NY during his "Better Out than In" tour a few years back. I was one of the "street art" loving fools who played a part in the great social experiment of rushing to find his work before the haters could destroy it. In spite of the response of his audience, whoever they may be, I think his work has legitimate meaning and aesthetic value. His piece in the LES with the oil barrels and the car with targets all over it and people inside and a painting of the 4 horsemen in night vision goggles was a profound commentary on the dehumanizing and detached act of "distance warfare" that countries like the U.S. engage in without regard to the human toll for all involved. At his best Banksy is smart, witty and insightful and his work can in fact be quite moving. That is the reason I think his work will have an enduring quality despite his embrace by the mainstream and public at large making him seem like a "sell out". The fact that he is so recognized simply means his work speaks to people in a way that's genuine. It's not his fault that he has been commodified. In fact, it seemed inevitable. He even mocks himself in his one piece of a guy selling "capitalism Sucks" t-shirts to a long line of buyers. Brilliant
mark walsh Finally! An intelligent comment from someone who’s actually seen and contemplated Banksy’s art.
You say damned if he does damend if he doesn't, but if he had shredded the whole painting instead of just half of it, it would't've doubled in value.
Maybe that was the point?
I "studied" ETTGS, it's one of my favourite docs/mock-docs. Banksy brings into question our understanding of a documentary - about halfway through the "narrative" flips and everything we see becomes so heightened and unreal that we are forced to doubt its authenticity. I could go on but the main point of ETTGS is to question how we consume art, how art is defined and what makes an artist. Mr Brainwash is Banksy's twisted reflection of the state of the art world. In short if you want to get the message of the film, just read the title.
Regardless, the volume of debate his art and actions spark alone is enough for me to say we're better off with him around.
I agree. Artists that force us to think, even if we don't ultimately agree with their presented conclusions, is always of value.
*_I really missed Thug Notes so much. Why does Wisecrack never make a single Thug Notes video for 2 years since IT?_*
Maybe the person who was making Thug Notes got bored or now doing something else.
Sparky Sweets retired that for a comedy podcast called Blackstage.
Maybe they just covered all the best literature already
maybe they didn't get the ratings these newer formats do
Maybe they moved on
That Swisha House T-shirt though! Nice job Jared!! Awesome video as well.
"Girl with balloon" is a great statement about the cooptation ability of the art market! Banksy's so deep, I can't even see him anymore.
A bit of inside knowledge for you to consider. I'm an old school UK graffiti artist. I remember when Banksy was just a solo act doing more traditional graffiti art around Bristol. He was always a bit of a chancer, horning in on projects (ripping off a fellow graff artist and friend of mine on a commission in Bristol). He's a talker covering up for his mediocre painting skills with an ability to promote himself. He gained fame from ripping off Blek Le Rat doing the rat stencils in prominent spots around London and the UK. This got him noticed by Damien Hirst and they became friends and Banksy got introduced to people like his former agent Steve Lazarides. Banksy adopted Hirst's Science model (a company setup by Hirst where underpaid art graduates make his artworks in a assembly line fashion and Hirst merely signs them at the end). So Banksy did the same thing setting up his own company and getting a team of graffiti and street artists such as Ben Eine to create and execute Banksy's work both in the studio and on the streets and selling prints via his POW company and another ( I think it was called Blank Canvas that found street spots to feature artworks sometimes with collusion with the property owners in order to boost the property value).
He continued to game fame with PR stunts executed by his team (often with permission from the property owners) posing as political statements in order to boost his brand value and continued to pilfer ideas from other lesser know artists just like Hirst does. With the self destructing Girl canvas that was a PR stunt to increase the price and keep him in the public eye as the auction house was in on it, as anyone with a bit of sense or knowledge would know the work would have been inspected first to check the condition and legitimacy of the piece (by removing it from the frame) and no one noticed shredding machinery and the gap in the bottom of the frame? The slave labour stance is a joke too as he'd get very cheap Chinese artists to paint gallery works in oil paint for his exhibitions making out he'd painted them himself.
So Banksy like Hirst is a good salesman who met the right people at the right time, but is a complete hypocrite and morally bankrupt and is just there to be hoovered up by those who think they're smarter/better than most of population because they read a broadsheet paper, adopt all the latest hipster trends, have a hedge fund, went to a private school, or have a property portfolio. Dig beneath the shallow veneer of glib rebellion you'll find a hollow, well oiled marketing machine.
At least someone else has been paying attention.
Most of his stuff is iam14andthisisdeep material. But with his very limited style, it is hard to communicate complex context or nuanced opinion. However, having perfected this style, he gets his point across perfectly.
His anti-mainstream attitude is undeniably ironic though.
I agree with everything you said except the last bit. You think his anti-mainstream attitude is ironic? Do you think he's not actually anti-mainstream? I think he is. That's why he comes across as 'iam14andthisisdeep'
Yes. I've been having the hardest time trying to articulate this and you said it all.
@@Confucius_76 The thing is that 14yo's perception of counterculture is so outdated that the moral basis of his views is shared by 'normies', which means mainstream. Anti-consumerism is something that has become new norm for an opinion to have, but some people still see their beliefs as something rebellious. The obliviousness of such people is hilarious, that's what 'iam14andthisisdeep' is about.
@@Invizive I agree with all that. If Banksy thinks like that though then how is he being ironic?
It's a little unfortunate that the nature of his work being so valuable means it's inevitably robbed of a crucial piece of its satirical power: namely, the place where he chose to put it up.
By taking it off the streets and onto a canvas, the nature of the work is inevitably drained of a lot of its meaning.
This is some excellent editing! Im very happy with the use of cuts between media and narration. Many channels use lazy quick cuts to attempt to create a fluid flow auditorily but it disrupts visually.
just subscribed!
My interpretation is he was an edgy youth who sold out soon as he thought he could make money. My question is how *he* got there, and I think it's just having simple mass appeal and a good business sense. Culture does need a good disruption, but he's basically CEO of Banksy Inc. at this point.
So, in other words, Banksy is the "grunge music" of the art world, in that he is not bringing anything new to the table but rather taking all of the classic subversive tropes of other genuinely subversive genres and making them more "pop" and digestible for the very people who are the subject of the subversion.
This.
I know Banksy is not subversive when I saw some of my middle class friends who work in an ibank instagramed their trip to Dismaland. The counter-culture of the 60s has been completely incorporated into consumerist capitalism. It has become a sign of prestige to show one's occasional disdain for capitalism on Sundays while being a dedicated careerist on the other days.
the only art that wouldn't be susceptible to this would otherwise just be called terrorism
That's... actually great way to put it.
Correct, and the funny thing is, Banksy himself never did anything different. His aesthetic and style remains the same as it always has.
It's just society itself is so flexible that it was inevitably able to consume and accommodate even art that's deliberately developed to undercut it. Even being anti-establishment itself can become establishment.
YESSS
grunge sucked ass
Who is this Mark guy? Lying about being Garrix, this won't stand
Kinda hot wout the eyebrows tbh
@@-lollipopsunder-7044 BEGONE!
Love your logo!!!
Love the references that were used and Exit through the gift shop is a cleaver mocku/documentary!
Banksy is the real world version of r/im14andthisisdeep
Actually though
imamillionaireandthisisart
Dear Garrix, I know earthling culture is fascinating, but getting plastic eyebrow surgery and calling yourself Mark is getting into unhealthy obsession territory. Please take care of yourself.
A concerned earthling enthusiast and fan
woah who is that ginger claiming to be garyx?
anyways i once read that banksy art is like that of an edgy teenage white boy and thats an undeniably apt comparison
Wisecrack's Jared has a mortal enemy: the hairdresser
Great video. You did the subject matter justice, and tackled a good amount of the historical references (on Dada and Duchamp's conceptualizations) quite well, while keeping things fairly simple. 👏🏾
I agree! Kind of wish that they didn't have a sponsor for this, considering the subject matter, or at least make it clear how they understand the irony.
Yggdrasil well for them to keep making these inspiring videos they need to be sponsored so if they wouldn’t get that ad for a criticizing capitalism themed video it simply would feel hypocritical to the subscribers cause we all know they get sponsored all the time
@@yggdrasil3 Every anti-capitalist video that they made has a sponsor.
Thank you for pointing out what they clearly set out to do.
You are very smart.
@@rodrigomedeirosdasilva6915 Yup, reminds me of the video on beating the system.
feels more like the actual question is: did capitalism kill art?
yes?
to be clear: i'm not being an ass, or at least not trying to,that's not sarcasm,or rhetorical, it's an unsure opinion. so, did capitalism kill art....maybe? possibly. likely. or has it? yes. maybe. possibly....
I think the 100 years of capitalism has allowed more art to exist than ever before. Does that art have value? That's the real head scratcher
We probably have to define first, what "art" actually is :D
Capitalism created art for art's sake in the 19th century. The continuous push for innovation is largely driven by market demand since patron funded work was often stifling
@@piwithatsme Capitalism also created art for the sake of a function and without meaning. In other words: Design.
This doesn't just effect products. (Pop) Music is a good example, where they are trying to "design" music, so it fits a certain logarithm, that people prefer to listen to. Is it "catchy"? Is it easy to dance to? Who is the audience? Etc.
Some people say that art needs an audience to be art. The bigger the audience, the more value hast a piece of art. Or in other words...supply and demand? I mean, in the and the artist needs to pay his bills, too.
the commodification of....well everything causes me so much anxiety. another amazing thought-provoking video, as usual xx
Chester Smith ok? think for yourself not whatever celebrities tell you thx
Chester Smith none of what you’ve brought up to me has mattered you fkn weirdo lmao
Chester Smith hey, did I scare you away? Lmfao I’m truly in awe like what kind of ego do you have to use in whatever weirdo argument you’re putting forward some ridiculous “metaphor” blaming some hypothetical woman for not wanting to fuck a dude who lives in a box??? Lol what the fuck kind of point is that??? like are you some kind of rabid incel going around on the internet to random commenters you assume are female and spew absolute nonsense? Is that what you do all day? Don’t you have a life or friends or something? Or are you the man living in a box who can’t get laid and that’s why you take everything so personally? Lmfao unbelievable
I once saw a banksy exhibition with the evils of capitalism as the main topic. It was expensive.
Banksy's artwork is stolen from the streets and put into museums. He's said many times his work should be transitory, like all street art. It's not designed to last.
Jordi Jewell - right, it’s meant to be ephemeral, at least that’s what Banksy says, while he’s counting his decidedly non-ephemeral money
But Supreme is a (Mis)Appropriation of Barbara Kruger’s Art
not really
Duchamp's Fountain was not accepted. It was put in the exhibition through gritted teeth, and caused quite an uproar. His sister through everything away after a while. In the (I think) 80s people suddenly recognized that he was a genius and he recreated the urinal from scratch (rather defeating the purpose).
My definition of Art: Art should be something you create with passion.
darkangel13915 My daughter is art then
Jilles van der Molen 😂😂 bruh
I feel like Duchamp had some legit jokes that were interesting and uncommon. Banksy's ideas are fit of a 16 year old edge lord. I'm voting dumb, but I do appreciate him as a cultural phenomenon.
I do agree that he made quite an amount of shit. But there are some gems (probably not the same for everyone, i like the folded telephone cell)
@Roman Cabay But who is dumber? The one selling anti-capitalist stuff or the one buying it? I argue buying it is so much more dumb, if you buy it for the message.
In a way Banksy has been a dumb person's smart man to me. His ideas are eaten up in droves by the most obnoxious kinds of people that manage to be less humble than the high class snobs that they mock.
"The Revolution will be sold to us." -Mr. Robot
Really well done.
A woman plunging to her death holding a shopping cart. Take THAT consumerism!
So edgy. So brave.
Consuming is so 2018. Dying of starvation is what the cool kids do nowadays.
And you are offering what that is edgier and braver besides anonymous internet criticism?
Right? Shallow art for boring people who don't understand art unless it's related to pop culture.
Zciliya Films did he say he was trying to be edgy idiot
Just in time for my essay tomorrow, thanks guys! 😁
You’ve only really considered Banksy’s work from the past 10 years and added that conclusion to their entire body of work. Shout out to Blek le Ray who you forgot to mention.
Pop culture is like what Nietzsche said about monsters.
“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster....for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you”
You fight pop culture hard enough and you become pop culture.
Check "guy on the phone's" face at 6:15 LMAO XD
Pretty sure Monty Python invented the gay cop joke, and arguably did it better ;)
They wished for more cop-stories with fairies after all
I'm an engineer. There is a beauty in simple function the mental processes that creates and understands it. People can't see all the time. Reminds me of great instrumentalists playing on the street. This doesn't mean you're wrong it's just perspective.
Premise one hipsters define themselves by rejecting the main stream.
Premise two hipsters are main stream.
Any philosophy that is a failure by it's own measures if it is appreciated or widely adopted is foolish.
Hell I like absurdism so keep at it.
At least engineering creates functional objects, much more valuable than artists... and I'm saying this as an artist.
"And here I am, lost in the nebulous area of aestheticism vs functionality."
--Designers
I always loved seeing new Banksies in.Brighton when I was a student.
it seems like hes just having fun and i love it
Unnerving to see Garrix without the makeup but knew Mark's voice immediately...good to meet you Mark!
Dadaism, anti-art and post-modernism has just reduced the art world to its ultimate form: A parody of itself, a circle-jerk where everything only has value because other people believes it has value and the pieces are constantly and deliberately proving that.
Carewolf but what did you think of the situationist international and yes men mentioned later in the video? Both of these groups have had actual consequences that reverberate beyond the art world.
But outside food and water, everything else only has value because other people believes it has value indeed.
@@tessiof Only if you don't put any value in happiness or other human emotions. Though I wouldn't want to argue that art should be solely meant to solicit emotions, that movement has run its cause and died as it should.
And that exactly is capitalism, value attributing based on other people's opinion. That is not his fault though. But he is clearly a hypocrite since he is a billionaire which just ruins everything unless he saves up money to change something but if he lives a rich lifestyle, he is a laughing stock.
I mean, things period only have value because other people think it has value. That's basically inherent to the idea of calculating value in the first place, it only exists when people are there to measure it. Why would art be any different?
Jared is really rocking the Redhead-Rene-Descartes look
This Deep or Dumb series, I like it... Another!
Banksy is the smarter-than-thou pretentiousness of the art world personified.
Personally, I feel like anything with a "deep" message that can be boiled down to "x is bad" is ironically too surface level to really be "deep".
So, calling these Things deep is bad?😜
@@MP-yk5pq Not bad, I just feel it's unwarranted. People are free to feel however they want about art.
When seeing an "unofficial Banksy Exhibition" I bought a Banksy t-shirt in the gift shop and said "lol he would hate this" as I gave them my money. Banksy's words and ideas still matter even because they're relatable and it doesn't matter if they're commercialized. Just like the amount of Tyler Durden merchandise that's sold and purchased all over the world. People just enjoy it. Good on Banksy for all of his success.
You a H-town man? Love from Houston and I really liked your content on this! Keep it up bro.
I like Banksy as an artists, as an edgelord, mememaster, and vulture of the upper class. Go Banksy!
Does that mean spongebob memes are postmodern art? Because I'd rob a bank for a peice
Sad you did this much research without even mentioning Blek le Rat. :'(
His mysteriousness is so attractive!
How did the Rickest Rick become the Rickest Rick?
Because he decided he'd never give Rick up, and never give Rick down.
“Banksy: The Commodification of Counterculture”
Don't underestimate the brilliance of commercial artists… or even people who design urinals for a living.
Rich Wilson of course, how could we be so blind?! It’s all a part of the urinal people’s plan!!!
I love that you guys made an art video please make more on the subject 👍🏻💕
I just saw your Kanye and The End of Reality video and I think Banksy is a Kayfabe of the Art world.
also duchamp was commentating on low brow vs high brow art..and the role of the museum
I don't usually like Banksy, But destroying his recently sold work was peak memege
What I most enjoy about Banksy was his underground graffiti war with Robbo
As an artust, like the fact that you tuched on the field of art this time, rather than being only movie/tv show focused.
The masses being able to consume his art ensures the message is spread far and wide. He doesn't always hit the mark, but if he doesn't create work with the intention of capital gain, then it can still subvert what it means to. It almost adds to the irony and obviously reach of the art when it is commodified in the way that it is.
I see you with that SWISHAHOUSE shirt. S/O to Texas!! H-Town!🤘🏽
Sup with it? Thought I was the only one that recognized that 🤘🏽💪🏽
Hahah trodde först att han ville att alla skulle swisha honom pengar, så långt tänkte jag
How can you say something so controversial yet brave?
Bird up!
Directed at Wisecrack, Banksy, or both?
Yet brave? Don't go controversial and braveness usually go hand in hand?
I'm curious to know why you don't believe the two can go hand in hand.
@@octopus8420 hardly anything claimed controversial is actually controversial or brave. when the majority of the masses either agree with or are indifferent to the message, no bravery is required.
Like all these actors coming out in the last 10-20 years. coming out in the 60s or 70s was brave. publicly coming out any time from the mid 90s till today is merely easy publicity. Ellen knew her fame and notoriety would only increase when she came out. The method by which she did it has set her safely on a path that makes her worth nearly half a billion dollars while only facing heat from the sort of reactionaries that the general public generally distances themselves from anyway.
I believe the main function of banksy's Art in itself is not what the main reason for its existence is but rather how you interpret what you perceive with your eyes at that moment you first gaze upon the work of art that makes you stop and think or trigger an emotion whether it's good or bad or in between
Simply because this level of analysis exists means Banksy is timeless.
Comment Section:
1) Oh, so in other words/basically, Banksy is just a (gives witty, ironic term summing up a 16-minute video that's ALREADY summing up a longer conversation)
2) Mark/Garrix conversation
For a further insight into Dada read _Lipstick Traces: A Secret History of the 20th Century_ by Greil Marcus
Excellent!
You were great in Pulp Fiction dude!
Big ups to Jared from wisecrack for breaking out and dusting off the "SWISHAHOUSE" shirt. Also, 💯 🍻 for all your content, in every format you guys convey it in.
As soon as I saw Garix I was like... Ok I'm watching this whole video... For you Garix.
I would've loved the shredded painting, That shit's hilarious
Basically, if people claim you are an hypocrite, you can answer by wrapping yourself in a whole new layer of irony to become immune to critics.