A CPU From AMD...AND Intel?! (UCIe Explained)
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THREADRIPPER PRO with INTELS P and E core style.
oh no
@ That's way too distant in the future.
You forgot about Mediatek and it's phone chips.
For those who are confused, UCIe is actually a real thing
I was waiting for the April Fools ridiculousness to kick in.
Pretty unbelievable right?
@@Swaggless lmao same
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Really??
In the old days Intel and AMD were pals. The manual for the 8086 CPU (from Intel) states that additional information can be also obtained by Advanced Micro Devices Inc.
I don't know about pals. IBM required Intel to license their technology out so they could have more than one source for the chips used in the PC. So AMD was one of those partners.
After the 80286, Intel basically said "screw you, deal's off" and AMD basically had to reverse engineer the 386, but it's release was delayed for a LONG time, basically right before the original Pentium came out, because Intel kept them tied up in court.
They released their Am386 and reverse engineered and released the Am486 family, now with legal approval obtained from the court system, until the AMD K5 came out to compete with the Pentium MMX.
@@Dreams_Of_Lavender Wasn't the AMD K6 the Pentium MMX killer? The K5 was competing with Pentium 100/133
@@SviatoslavDamaschin Ah, you might be right. Double checking now, the K5 and the Pentium MMX came out in the same year.
@@SviatoslavDamaschin AMD pitted K6 against P2, not Pentium MMX/Pro. AMD tried to advertise it as basically a Pentium 2, but at lower price. However, the market perception basically became that it was a chip for poor people, who couldn't afford to buy a P2, bought. It did sell pretty well, and caused Intel plenty of worry though. And that was just the beginning of worries for intel, as it kept getting worse for them and AMD just kept getting better and better...
@@liboud22 Good to know, I though that it was competing with MMX series cuz k5 was lacking those instructions
I already own a cpu by Intel and AMD.
It's an 8Mhz 80186 from 1978, designed by AMD and manufactured by Intel.
True story.
Did you get those backwards? Its intel designed though AMD did second source them
@@mycosys i think you're right, pretty sure i have one new in the package somewhere.
Fun fact that were made at $.50 and sold at $700 for 1399x profit
@@mycosys your absolutely correct. At the request of IBM.
@@beanman6684 Jesus Christ
UCIe, exists
Apple : Introducing, the ACIe, the all new, never seen before architecture
It's REVOLUTIONARY
@@motazfawzi2504 INNOVATION
COURAGE
Think™ different©
they were first to do it dummy
and easily get reckt by the time goes on xD
When using chiplets, it is no longer a SoC (System on Chip).
It would then be a SoM (System on Module) or SoP (System on Package)
is it a bit like System of A Down?
@@crunchynetto6979 System on Table
It would likely just get rebranded to "SoC (System on Chiplets)" because that acronym is already ubiquitous.
@@olivetho These aren't my definitions. This is industry standard.
If it is all using the same lithography process for the CPU, RAM, and IO, it is a SoC.
If it doesn't, but it is still all on the same module (usually with high-speed interconnects) it is a SoM.
@@Prophes0rSoM would refer to a PCB rather than the same chip. although terms like these are not industry "standard" the same way that UCIe itself is...
0:41 "security enclave from Microsoft" (checks date: Apr-1)
Even he laughed a little at that one!
Lmfao
lmao
but yeah... i wouldn't trust Microsoft anywhere near my cybersecurity...
@@cnr_0778 microsoft pluton is a thing
@@cruelcrow7367 and it required an internet connection for the pluton chip to ping (and maybe maintain a connection to) Microsoft servers for "security"
I thought this was an April fools joke, because I never thought intel and amd would work together.
They did like 20+ years ago
@@AnnHiroCh
Yeah but back then nvidia was making chipsets and cyrix was still alive.
@@AnnHiroCh And like mentioned in the video they did an intel cpu with AMD vega graphics a few years ago
The funniest part is that both AMD and Intel need eachother to not become monopolist
The existence of Kaby Lake G (Intel CPU with Vega graphics) was the biggest shocker of this episode.
UCIe is going to be absolutely fantastic. I cannot wait for this to become an industry standard. the possibilities from hobbyist to professional are absolutely astounding.
absolutely fantastic?
absolutely astounding?
dont cheer yet, let them prove it first that they can make it work together as good as the consumer can imagine.…
I honestly don't expect to see any hobbyist/enthusiast platforms take advantage of this. Because you still need a socket, chipset and mainboard platform which will play ball with a multi chip module someone needs to order a substantial production run of. There are massive roadblocks at the BIOS and driver level.
But we might see weird server and industrial platforms which will only boot Linux. And odds are, the CPU MCM will be soldered in and not replaceable since it's all going to be so custom.
@@SianaGearz the whole idea is that there "shluld" be more variety for everyone to use
Wouldn't it be more accurate to call the example at 0:33 a system in package? Chip typically refers to an individual integrated circuit (at least in my corner of the industry), but in this case you've got multiple chips (chiplets) packaged on a common interposer.
or system on substrate
@@mycosys SOS vs SOP. dunno which I like more
Put the substrate upside down and call it system under substrate or SUS
The correct name is Multi-chip module (MCM).
System in a package is usually when you take a couple of the markets dies and connect them internally with wires or solder bumps. Instead of connecting them through a pcb.
This is more integrated and acts like a single chip
System on a container. Solved your issue while still calling an SoC
Intel did it again. Found a way to keep pushing 14nm.
if it works, why fix it? xdd have a nice day ya all hahaha
They already abandoned 14nm... But I'm sure they will keep pushing their intel 7 :)
Sadly, 12th gen is 10nm.
whats tthe problem?
@Ayaan K why?
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I wonder if Apple and NVIDIA will quietly use the UCIe specifications. They will have to use die-to-die interconnects at some point in the future. Might as well use the spec instead of wasting engineering time. Especially since Apple is obsessed with thinner and more power saving designs.
It will be our job as Internet Denizens to point and laugh when it inevitably comes to light (and then forgetting/losing interest as the next big thing happens).
Apple has proven for a while not that they're just not obsessed with thinner designs. But power saving - yes. In fact every company should start focusing more on efficiency like Apple does.
But I highly doubt that Apple will ever use this because they're doing literally the opposite. Instead of relying on other companies, they want to do everything themselves. So much so that they even develop their own modems so that they don't have to use those from Qualcomm anymore.
There's just no way that Apple will go back and use like modems from Qualcomm, a GPU from AMD or whatever.
@@alexthenr1019 that's absolute bullshit dude. TSMC is literally nothing but a PRODUCER. Apple is developing their own silicon. TSMC only produces it.
Apples processors are not developed by TSMC.
@@Raja995mh33 Apple refuses to support Vulkan , another good example I think...
@@Raja995mh33apple has designed their own hardware in the past and switched back to sourcing externally, before they went back again to first-party starting with the M1... fact is that apple is a company like any other. If and when other companies can make better chips for cheaper, apple won't waste resources on developing their own.
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I"m lowkey excited for this, assuming we can prevent bait and switch components.
Switch Chiplets ? these rich-fuck-ass CEOs would never let you
@@phoby4584 that’s not what he’s saying. He’s saying ‘bait-and-switch components’. Like a while back when you had two extremely similar series of SSD’s, but one series was quite a bit faster than the other, and the primary observable difference was in the serial number.
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"Lowkey" is not announcing it..... 🤣
Imagine the horrible markup and obvious lack of market competition is what I'm thinking. The only reason big players are behind this would be to make more money.
Imagine ordering custom CPUs in the future.
I’ll take these cores from AMD, These transistors from Intel, these nodes from ARM, some Cuda cores from
Nvidia and while you’re at it, an bit of Apple on the side.
That would be sweet to say the least. Modular cpu's that can be tailored by the consumer. Now let's just weed out cheap/pirate manufacturing. You know China is gonna have a say in all of this.
Won't it be risky to have several expensive dies all in 1 chip? like what if the chip fails and damages the dies... like the old saying "don't put all your eggs in 1 basket"?
@@ugh2668 perhaps, it really depends on the actual design and how they could be protected in the event of such disaster. If they went truly modular then they could swappable chip components. If they're soldered in place then it's a different story.
I think this would also be excellent in preventing CPU shortages too. Not enough Intel cores in stock? Throw in a few more AMD ones.
@@lua8738 I 2nd that. I'm just glad pc manufacturers didn't go with the design concept of the mobile industry in making all components soldered in. I love the upgrade factor in electronics.
When the GPU shortage is “over” could we see CPU prices falling such as the Athlon 3000G being it’s MSRP $50 instead of $100-$150?
The whole thing sucks, even before the pandemic, it was hard to get GPUs at reasonable prices due to the crypto mining and scalping. Then we had the chip shortage and who knows what the next issue is going to be, but the price of GPUs really needs to come down.
Finally the technologies come together.
Creating babies?
shall collect all infinity chiplets
@@jiekendinner One snap and all the scalpers and miners vanish.
Future GPU's coming at MSRPs👇🏻
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I would like to see Nvidia integrated graphics in an Intel CPU!
Nvidia and Apple are the only ones not participating on the project.
@@18earendil doesn't matter much because if ucie is really the breakthrough that it claims to be nvidia and apple will have to join the standard at some point
@@18earendil of course Apple would do that.
@@Gatorade69 ...and other lies we tell ourselves before sleep
@@Insky_ Oh no. Boo hoo.
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I would love to see this tech expanded and combined with other ideas, like the big-little design, but with different architectures as options as well. So you could have all those different specialized chiplets... but also have X-Performance cores of ryzen, and X-Efficiency cores but also some ARM cores for running more mobile stuff, and please add some RISC-V cores in there too.
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Great day to release this news AMD & Intel
Agreed
was released some time ago
the theory is great
the execution and how well these players will behave, that would be the key to success
Remember socket 7? What do you want, amd, intel, cyrix cpu?
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AMD and Intel have had a business relationship in the past. AMD once made CPUs based on Intel's design in the 1980s and early 1990s. Just throwing that out there because Intel working with AMD isn't a new thing, it just hasn't happened in decades.
You mean when amd was tiny and intel was a behemoth?
That means absolutely nothing now that both are giants in each others fields
It’s more like IBM forced Intel to work with AMD as a second source because IBM didn’t want to rely on just Intel to make processors for them for its supply chain.
@@Jabid21 Thanks. Came here to say that.
also technically Intel licenses AMD64/x86-64 from AMD
AMD64 instruction set enters the chat.
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Issue I see here is the SSD drama all over again. Fancy new CPU shows awesome benchmark from LTT, you run out and buy the exact same sku, just to find that the manufacturer replaced that APU with a lower cost, less performance version. I see the preverbal 'mixed bag' when purchasing CPUs in the future.
You used so much terminology that has literally nothing to do with any of the rest of the things you talked about... Like I get it to a certain extent, but are you upset about SSDs or CPUs with on board graphics? lol
@@combatwombat594 its probably because you didn't understand the ssd drama he is referring to.
@@combatwombat594 A while back SSD's had some drama where the manufacturer's were switch controller chips inside the same product line, making it a crap-shoot on what you'd get. I was likening it to that, but for CPUs.
"just to find the chiplet is replaced by a cheaper, lower performance versions"
just offering a possible correction
@@zeropointmx2552 ah OK, didn't hear about that. But yeah I see the potential for it to be done with this of course
Teamwork makes the dream work.
It's always kind of beautiful to see multiple companies working together even if it is only for their own benefit basically.
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Oh, I thought it was just an April Fool's joke, but apparently that's legit
Everyone knows that 2 5G modems would give you 6G. Just as 2 4G modems gave us 5G.
We have all the Gs
thats not how it works. if you take 2 5g modems you get 10g. just like you get a 64 bit install if you install a 32bit version twice.
that's so G, yo 😎
@@satakrionkryptomortis Nope, if you have 2 5g modems it's actually 55g, Which is why 64 bit version is actually 6.4 bit version twice.
@@frozenturbo8623 2 5g us 25g, c'mon
2 4g is 24g
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You could use different parts from manufactures to best fit work load, not dependent on one vendor for a part, you could save time and money outsourcing. Hoping this saves on power lowering the computing power grid requirement.
I have read news about the chiplet interconnection standard during march. I am starting to think that the April's Fools of this channel is to publish a difficult to believe new on april's first, so people won't believe it xD
They don't, the joke video is only on LTT
@@Splarkszter Exactly, I think that joking in more than one channel would be overdoing it.
LTT has posted two April fool joke videos (that I've seen). I wish this was clearly communicated as not a joke bc the different companies working together could very easily be a joke.
It's 8 years running
And this is how true progress happens. Glad to see tech companies willing to work together
FUTURE EPISODE IDEAS:
1) I'd like to see how additional GPU's operate when installed in a PC. Which one takes the load? Is it only the primary one? Is it the one the monitor is connected to that the app is running in? Etc. Comparisons on SLI vs unlinked multi-cards would be a great episode if not done already. If it was done, maybe a revisit would be nice.
2) Connecting different devices using different LAN ports, direct connect devices, manually setting IP's, and similar topics would be nice to see.
I'd love you know what AMD and Intel could do together
Not much really - once Intel gets its GPU (Arc) up to snuff. They are competitors on most fronts - have been since the 1980s. Intel has a much deeper portfolio (for example networking etc) but doesn't hype it nearly enough.
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I totally agree with you it has been an eye-opening experience for a lot of people....
you could combine different architectures for example x86 for heavy computing, arm for background stuff and riscv for ambient computing all on one chip
This sounds significant. Seems like now we'll see a revival of many chip companies like that of early 2000. There might even be small companies that make custom chips from chiplets on specific customer order basis.
Yes, in the 90s you could build a system with AMD, intel, Cyrix, IBM, Winchip/IDT, and a couple of others.
I would really love to see a video on how the Apple ultra fusion works
Apple SUX big time
@@tilapiadave3234 Excuse me what did you say
@@rehon101 Aplle is an overpriced POS that ONLY Apple CULT members see ANY value in
Check the date
@@holykoifish Right? I just checked it out, too.
UCIe is a real thing
The UCIe standard is real.
TechQUICKie videos dont need an ad thats 20% of the video in the middle.
Subject for future video idea. How does file compression and de duplication work in storage.
This sounds fantastic on paper, but in practice I don't see this becoming mainstream
I think it could see a lot of use in laptops. For example: customers could choose from an Intel/AMD/Nvidia GPU when ordering their laptop.
@@SupaKoopaTroopa64 ya maybe for enthusiast/workstations but not for mass production like the generic dells and hps of the world ( no offense to them) I have a modified hp phoenix desktop
@@SupaKoopaTroopa64 Most people buying laptops don't have a clue about it, this just opens so many new ways to exploit the customer.
Core i9 with RDNA3 graphics?
There actually was an i7 with Vega graphics back in the day. The i7 8809G was a 4c / 8t CPU with a built-in Vega M GH GPU. The whole thing had a TDP of 100W, which was mostly that GPU. It was used in some NUC designs as far as I can tell.
Sounds very interesting.
Thanks!
This is ridiculously cool, I had no idea this was coming!
Imagine having a SOC with 4 Intel P-Cores 16 AMD cores for multitasking, AMD "Integrated" (Efficient) GPU, Nvidia "Dedicated" Power GPU, some wireless, 10G Ethernet and HBM Memory in the same package... In a tiny case with a liquid AIO...
I honestly couldn't tell if this is real but apparently it is!
I was checking the comments to see if this isnt also a april 1e joke lmfoa
Lolz great video, we could like to see you guys give your opinion on Apple possibly going the hardware rental business model.
The heck, i was just writing and researching for this as my thesis paper but looks like someone already developed it, looks like i have to change my research topic
I would just keep going with it tbh, maybe you’ll develop a similar final result but with a different methods to get there, versatility is a great thing!
What would be awesome would be a CPU that combines x86_64 and ARM chiplets on a single package.
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but why ? I don't even see how you could get anything running on a CPU with two architetures/IS at once
**WARNING** I remember Intel once resorting to "updating" compilers to "optimize" codepaths aka demotivate AMD 3DNow-adaptation in the 90s, no joke--
I'd be *VERY* wary of how far they'll go to keep other brand chiplets from being combined with their own -_-
Intel is really shitty as a company wish people would stop giving them money.
No need to look that far, they messed with Windows 11 scheduler so AMD CPUs will work badly on it.
If only they knew no one cares about Windows 11.
@@hubertnnn *worked
As a 5900x user I can testify switching to 11 today is a step up for me, but youre absolutely right! Damage was done when it absolutely mattered most (again) and that always sucks.
1:19 As the years were listed, I realized how old I was getting.
This looks super interesting. Can't wait to see what gets made with this new standard.
I don't like it, some shitty devs already claim their game runs poorly because of the infinite amount of hardware combinations on PC this would only make it exponentially worse... and even if a game implemented it right I fear frame times might get all over the place id rather have a stable 144/240 FPS than 400FPS but with frame times all over the place.
I'm guessing you mean that they would claim it's the reason it's This game is bad due to this new standard because the whole point of a standard is to standardize it.
The potential of this is crazy.
It would be nice to know what minimum quantities you can go down to for a specific chiplet assembly if you still want to pay a reasonable price (and by that I mean the price of the assembly rather than the price of the chiplets installed, because they can in be bought in larger quantities in order to then be combined individually).
But the chiplet assembly is only one side, you also have to connect the whole thing to the "outside world" with the pins.
Just a thought, it might be alot like arm chips now where you can mix and match cores, then tune those cores to how you want.
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I guess I'm early lol.
You do realise the date you are releasing this on 😜 love ❤️ you LTT. Also loved the 10 hour sponsor video too so good 😜, I don’t trust CZcams today 😂 😜 🙃
but ucie is real thing that has been for the last month, it is not joke...
Best music ever featured in an LMG video.
This is kinda returning to the basics, in the 80s where we used chipram and other modules to expand the computers. If this happens, it would be cool to have just a custom PCB with many connectors.
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This is how building retro computers started out, think Amiga, Atari home computers. Changing GPU, CPU, RAM and even controllers on the motherboard. One reason people started using sockets that allowed for hot swapping motherboard components. Let's Go.... I'm In..!
Awesome & Thanks :)
Wow, I got a Linus ad for pulseway before the video
There weren't enough adds I'm this video. I wonder if LTT will ever release a video that is all adds. That would be the best.
Not sure if it's the April Fools working the inner Jonathan Van Ness on your hair, but that looks really good on you. Can you say, "Can you believe?" 😆
I have a 1982 Intel and AMD CPU. Model #R80 286. It's all good looking. It was before my 93 pentium and 96 it I also had as a kid. I still have all of them.
This could have awesome potential. For my tablet/ultra book I would want 1 cpu chiplet and 2 gpu chiplets for example. Excited for this I am.
Cover SRIO-V extensions, what is its practical and potential uses.
I like this and could see it becoming the standard in the future.
UCIe may solve the security problem that exists with the current CPU Management Engines; services in the system that can't be turned off or easily turned off. Like when certain 3-letter agencies in the US demanded a way to turn off the permanent remote access built into modern CPUs, so the manufacturer wouldn't have access to their systems. It can be partially disabled, but not fully.
I would love to have 4 arm cores for basic tasks on my PC for power consumption
Would like to see a arm chiplet and a x64 chiplet on one cpu for hybrid os.
Better video than I thought it would be. Gj
I dunno if we really will see that mash up happen - at least not on the standard desktop or in the gamer market. But it's a nice thought and nice to see there is a path for that to occur . I suspect this is more aimed at the data center though (could be very wrong too 😉). 😊
Dream cpu 14900KS-X3D
Intel's already stated they'll be perfecting the 13th gen architecture in their 14th gen.
+ it's been confirmed that Amd's Zen 5 architecture will have an X3D v cache.
So combining P and E core with Amd's 3D V Cache.
This would actually be an amazing idea
initially i read the title as amd being there for the second time and my brain became very confused ....until i checked it again
Wow. This is looking very promising.
could these mean we could in the future see CPU AIBs that combine chips from various companies?
I imagine the "Security enclave" by Mircosoft be like a fat police man that is more interested in the Donut he just eats than the guy who gets robbed and shot dead right outside of the Donut store. 😆
Just saw an actual ltt pulseway CZcams advert before an ltt video
This would be really sick for a pc but this tech really need like 2-3 years to go to the market
Tech is related to PCIe, name has the word Express. The industry is so creative with naming
Old standards like serial ports for like old mice or other old ports that we don't know anything about and why they were phased out and limitations
Great video as always, but i feel the music is overpowering james' voice a bit.
It would be great to see physically larger chips that can support better cooling because of this process on the high end of the performance scale.
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This is a direct result (and answer) to Apple’s M serie SoC. I think it’s a good thing and provides lot of possibilities
James does these the best.
UCIe sounds like a beautiful idea, but we are going to get charged an arm and a leg for software. Since we are moving to subscription models, this is a perfect excuse for companies to charge a butt ton and say "UCIe software support".
Good one