Very good video, thumbs up and subscribed. I am having a hard time finding this info but do you think a Daiwa Ballistic LT 5000 that weighs 8.1 oz and has a line capacity of Mono(lb/yd): 16/250, 20/195, 25/140 would be a good fit for a 9ft Medium Bass Pro ocean master thats 15-30 lbs. 1 - 3 oz. or should I go up in size to a 6000 Ballistic thats 11.1oz Mono 20/270 25/225 30/160. I want to get good distance at reservoirs using baits like worms and leeches but not sure what teh perfect balance would be above the reel.
Well done guys. You touched on this a few times. Decide what you are presenting to the fish first, then what rod will give you the action you need then reel. This is something I carried over from my fly fishing to salt and just makes for a much more effective combo. Thanks Again.
Great podcast guys. One thing I find that was overshadowed and not understood with rods is this.- the most important thing for a rod to me is what lure weight you’re intending on using the most with the rod? Choose your rod power according to the weight recommendations of the rod. For example. Weight rating of 1/4 to 3/4 would be a great choice for a 3/8 ounce lure. It falls right in the middle of the weight ratings. Next is what type of lure is it? Is it a botttom contact with a large hook? You may need a fast action... is it a reaction type lure? Then you possibly could go to more of a moderate fast to moderate action rod. This is what helped me. You don’t need a heavy power rod for a lure with a small treble hook
I agree to a certain extent, you have to absorb all the specs . Some manufacturers describe the action in reverse. They Say the action rating is based on how fast the rod returns to straight, not where it bends. Power determines line and lure weight . Species and conditions specific.
I just came across this video. I have a rod i am trying to find the right reel for. I built this rod from a Rod Geeks blank. It is 7'6" MH fast action. I put Fuji Titanium guides on it. With this combo it weighs in at under 6 oz. I have a BG 4500 that i put on it and it is very nose heavy. I have an older Penn Captiva 5000 that i put on it and it seems better balanced than with the BG. I live on the E coast of Florida. I fish the ocean, Sebastian inlet and the river so i need the reel to be very versatile. And i maily fish artificials as well. As a side note. I built another rod with the microwave guides. It seems to function very well. I have seen you guys going fishing. I have driven past you while you were waiting at the light at A1A and 5th ave to head to the inlet while i turned on 5th ave. Keep up the good work on teaching us
Late to the party but so glad I found it . Been a fan, and sideline viewer/customer. The braid scissors that I picked up with the original Slam Shady promotion are still my favorites. This was the most helpful rod/reel guide I’ve found . Heading to your shop now. Thanks 🙏
I’d say the reel does have some importance when casting if say you’re using a reel with a longer spool like the new FL, that’s something to look out for when buying
I'm absolutely sold on the Bull Bay rods. Some of my favorites. The sniper and banshee series are perfect for inshore artificial presentations. Plus there made somewhat locally to me. I also like the shimano terrimar if your looking for alot of bang for your buck
100% agree with Mark: take the name brand off the Rod. Performance and Popularity don't directly correlate with each other. The same applies to Reels, and many other products! Really good point man 👍
Your right on about the rods being more important than the reels but i bought a Van Staal last year and it works great but so does my Shimano that i paid a lot less.
Great Stuff!... and entertaining banter too! It would be helpful if you would give specific model numbers of the rods discussed. For example, and are MANY variations in the E6X family. Another point would be the "Saltwater" versus "Freshwater" versions (e.g., St. Croix). I'm guessing this is just marketing, but if there is really a difference, it would be good to know the details.
I agree a more universal rod/reel combination as opposed to “technique specific” so can I have 5 rods as opposed to how many do I need? Budget as well as let me think about this (and therefore time) can make it expensive and LESS time with line in the water. These gentlemen may have the time to spend on the water and applaud their knowledge. At some point K.I.S.S. principal comes into play.
Shimano Sustain 3000 + Star VPR 7' + 10lbs braid = perfect for throwing soft plastics. Always have it with me the truck! I love my TFO fly rod, hated the spinning rod so much I gave it away.
Good Evening Gentleman, I have thoroughly enjoyed this session and learned quite a bit. Ironically I have 3 TFO rods and a St. Croix Triumph that I am trying to find the correct reels to go with. Without knowing I'm on the right track. I primarily fish for perch and walleye here in Upstate NY. Going to venture into Steelhead on the Salmon River. Oneida Lake is great for eater Walleye. Again, thanks for being there. Stay safe and have a great Holiday Season. ScottyD.
Great Video, question I moved from Florida to Virginia which I go back to visit frequently. What I would like to know is there a 2 piece rod that I could travel with that is very good to go with a 5500 reel? for saltwater fishing
I agree about the rod 1st when it comes to casting and hooking the fish. Reel comes to play when you reel back the fish or in the presentation part. However, lure and presentation are critical, that’s what gets the fish to bite, then the reel and line come to play. To summarize, rod for casting and fighting the fish, line for the size and type of lures, along of securing the fish, the. reel is important of presenting the lure and bringing the fish in. All important in that order.
I agree with you that the rod is most important when battling a fish. So right handed fishes should use a left handed reel! I’ve seen so many videos where the fisher is changing hands after the cast and holding the rod in the weakest limb because the reel is wrong.
First great conversation about rods.. Its such an easy habit to think of rods as an after thought... With no industry standard you are stuck with lure rating in combo with line power action to try and get a picture without hands on.. Much better to buy rods hands on or try them first where reels from reviews and specs can paint a much clearer picture. Great info. But about comments about spinner reels and drag: 10lb braided line is actually average 25lb actual break strength 20-27lb in most popular brands.. Drag should be 5-7.5lbs.. 10lb rated could be anywhere from 9lb to 29lbs across the industry just in braided.. 30lb mono for leader can be 29-50lb+.. Most manf.Line strength has a large buffer I,e underrated compared to when I was a kid starting salt fishing in the early 80s.. Line is so much better and consistent with endless choices. These reels are not baitcast round reels which is where the drag % setting and set and forget came from.. This was because any more drag needed to slow runs or stop being spooled was easily accomplished with a thumb or hand on the spool.. This is not easily accomplished on a spinning reel.. You thus adjust the drag.. The 20-30% of break for properly rated line to target fish was an intial or base setting that on a round reel could be set it and forget it most time.. Spinners are different.. Still is a base but for control the drag knob replaces the hand on the round reels... Hook a nice large stripper up here in Va MD area at a river mouth @ the bay with 2-3lb drag and it WILL spool a 200-250yd worth of line and break you off.. Done it on larger tarpon farther south as well The info on rods was great.. Showing balance points etc very helpful.. Is a great video for a newer angler turorial and helpful even to more experienced anglers.
The reel also acts as a counter weight when casting. If your taking on sharks and rays you need the extended line range like in a 10000 but its not easy to cast with that so your only gonna cast that once every 30mins or so. My first mistake was to put a penn 8000 liveliner on a prevail 14ft. To much weight to cast far or accurately where when i matched it with a aird lt 5000 it was too light and i felt like i was gonna throw the rod away every cast. A 6500 reel works a treat
I may be missing something but... CZcams has exposed me to a bunch of Reel videos by Salt Strong but I have not seen hardly any Rod videos... Are they there and I am not seeing them?
Almost like people, don’t know when your Walmart Shimano Reel locks up from the saltwater. All you have to do is take it apart clean it put new grease in and it works like new quit buying new reels.
I was given a Daiwa BG 4000 reel spooled up with 40lb braid for my birthday. I plan on fishing jetties around Southern California, maybe some kayak fishing down the road. Targeting calico bass, halibut, sculpin, sheephead, maybe some sea bass and yellow tail. Could you recommend a rod around $150 or less that would fit this application.
Mot sure but most rod companies don’t bother to mention power and action separately on the rod few models don’t even tell casting wight capacity, they just print e.g Action : medium fast , thats it.
I constantly catch bull reds with an ugly stick and a quantum reel...using monofilament 17lb line. Of course 90% of my fishing is pier and jetty..so not sure if i agree
Hey guys, I'm dialed into your podcast on rod vs reel and I've got lots of screw-ups to show for my inexperience. But Luke just said something that grabbed my attention. What difference does a rod make when fishing with lures vs natural bait? We spend A LOT of money on bait, believing that live (or dead) shrimp catch more fksh.
Using artificials, you will be casting 10x more than if you are using live bait. Therefore, a rod used mostly for artificials should be lighter, with a fast action to help cast light lures. With live bait, generally those things aren't as important since you're doing far less casting.
I am in the Washington state, The great Pacific Northwest. Do you have people from this area join your Insider Club? we fish both the cast and Puget Sound and many rivers too.
Really informative guys. I’m new to surf fishing and so of course I purchased a new reel first, the Penn fierce 3, 4000. I’m fishing the Bandarus Bay in Puerto Vallarta, Mx with an existing rod and reel and catching snapper, jacks and calicos (relatively close to shore). I’d like to cast further as I can see rooster fish. Any recommendations to cast further? Anything else you would recommend? Gracias!
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@saltstrong hi could you tell me pairing with penn pursuit 4000&5000 reels, what ugly stik rod i should pair with them and what line as well as lures? I am going to use it in pier .Thank you
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Okay so I have a 6000 size shimano thunnus that I use for everything but I’m running it on a ugly stick tiger and I hate that rod, what should I put that reel on instead, I fish inshore on a boat and I just want a very versatile rod for 200 or less.
What's a good rod to pair with the Daiwa BG 2500 with 15 pound braid and 20 to 30 mono leader for fishing off a pier or bridge with artificial lures & live bait?
Sadly Shakespeare reels are junk. I'm trying okuma so far their ok. Thinking how it'll hold up by the end of this coming year. If the okuma doesn't hold up I'll try either a diawa fuego or a Mitchell 300. I hear Mitchell reels are descent. I have a couple lews spinning rod an reel combos their holding up well. The reels are quality an the rods are strong yet sensitive enough but not brittle their a good balance.
@deathkillex Uglystik rods are really heavy and cast like a broom. If you're going to be using artificial lures you'll be making tons of casts each day you you'll be absolutely worn out. They're durable and cheap and if you're going to toss dead shrimp or cut bait off a dock they'll do fine. But if you want to cover a lot of water having something lighter will be a tremendous difference.
Lews rods an reels are high quality for price. The reels have smooth drag an smooth retrieves with sealed bearings that hold up really well. I've got my lews reels soaked by dropping reel in water an no issues. Yes take care of reel by drying cleaning an putting oil an grease on components. The lews rods are strong yet sensitive to where you'd feel the action of fish that won't break. The guides are quality an do not wear out or corrode easily an are smaller to get better distance. For $80.00 plus to $100.00 you'd get a quality lews spinning rod an reel combos for sure. I have a couple lews spinning rods an reel combos in $100.00 to $100.00 plus dollar range. The Mach 1 lews spinning rod an reel I have I noticed price going up because the high quality an demand for this spinning rod an reel combo I feel is a must have. The rod has small durable guides tough an sensitive rod that holds up but can feel activity of fish. The drag an retrieve super smooth an durable if you accidentally drop reel into water. A must have is a Mach 1 lews spinning rod an reel an a lews smash spinning rods an reels.
The only down side I wish the screws for the reel seat were aluminum instead of plastic. The only way u get aluminum reel seat screws to tighten reel seat is it the rod itself is$100.00 plus to $200.00 dollar margin. The highest I could afford for a rod is alittle over $100.00. Then sadly would cost me another $80.00 plus dollars for a quality reel.
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So whats best for a 6K Saragosa? A Star Stellar lite 7'6 12-20lb (my preference bc it can still cast 2oz + no problem) or 15-30lb rod? Usually a 12-25lb or 15-30lb rod would match better to a 6K size but Star rods are a lot more stout than most rod brands.
Hand placement when casting spinning rod. Do you put full hand in front of reel or hook it with your little finger. I tend to hook it but it’s not comfortable for all day.
I have 2 Mojo BASS SPINNING RODS MJS610MLXF / 6’10” / Medium Light / Extra Fast rods. I want to use them to fish for large mount bass in shore South FL with rubber worms Texas rigged. I have had a hard time finding the right reels as my line alway get tangled when casting. Can you recommend a reel and line match?
Hi im new to fishing, I received a birthday gift from wife. Stradic FL 3000 with St Croix tide master 7'6" Medium Fast rsted 8-17lbs braid. Will there be issues if i spooled 20lb braid on it or just be better of with 15lb braid? I plan to fish alot of pier, shore and flats along tampa bay. Thanks for great vid!
I would like to know y'all's thoughts on the Ohero Gold series rods or hyper series rods entry level rods that people wanting to get into inshore fishing and not break the bank might wanna check out.
I have a bad shoulder. Im looking for light weight to cast artificials all day. One rod for fresh water(small bucktails. And one for inshore soft plastics and bonitta diamond jigs. Anyone know what the lightest weight rod on the marjet is? Im a kayak fisherman.
Not sure of exact models but Falcon has a great selection of light weight rods that are very high quality. I also own a st. croix Mojo inshore and this rod is fantastic and light weight. ST. Croix also makes a Mojo bass of the same style. All of the mojo rods from st croix, the inshore and bass model also come in a kayak version with a shorter butt to that works better when sitting in a kayak
I have had a Ugly Stik Tiger bws2200 medium/lite 6’6” rod that I love cause it has a very sensitive tip,and I am actually waiting for a Daiwa bg 3500 I recently ordered I just hope it is a good match I only salt water inshore fish with jigs and metal crank bait lures on this rod the bg 3500 should be fine I would like somebody else’s opinion on this set up also so all comments will be taken seriously thanks in advance fellas
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For Inshore, 4000 is big. It's ok but a 2500/3000 which are same just different in spool capacity would be better as they are smaller and lighter. Don't worry about drag power, and if you do upgrade to Carbontex washers and you are set.
Hey guys! Fishing long Island surf! Looking for a multi use combo setup 10ft-12ft in the $200-$350 range! Can you help me? Fishing from porgy's- Strip bass!
Get a 10 ft surf rod like the Penn Battalion with Penn Spinfisher VI 5500 or 6500. That reel is sealed well enough if you accidentally drop in salt water but be sure to rinse off well if you do. Do not hold it under water or reel underwater. The only reel that is designed for that is a Van Staal. This setup will get you close to $350.00. Use about 20 lb Power pro braid or Suffix 832 or Stealth Spider wire are also very good lines.
I have a stradic FL paired with a 8"6 daiwa acculite medium light rod. Am i committing a crime for using an inexpensive rod even tho it works well with my style? I use this for freelining live shrimp or switch to a poppinng cork depending on the conditions in the jetties. Do i need to spend on something more expensive if my goal is to be able to cast the liveshrimp further?
I already bought my gear. I have a Penn III 3000 and Penn III 4000 spinning reel with a Tiger Stick Conventional rod. Is it really a big no-no or can I get by until I buy a spinning rod?
Hello! I will be making rod and reel purchases in a couple of months. I don't have access to a boat; big lake nearby. What I like to do is have a couple medium heavy rods fishing on the bottom, long casting scenario; then , I want to have an ultralight rod working closer to bank catching fish to use as cut-bait. I was thinking about getting two saltwater surf rod/reel setups for the long distance bottom fishing. Have no idea what to get for ultralight rod/reel setup. Any ideas?
I absolutely agree! If you know what youre doing a $100 setup or even less than that will be just fine. Besides fish dont care how expensive your gear is if you know where they are and know when the best time to catch them. In my experience when you go for expensive stuff, thats you sometimes wanting more durability or are looking for some features that you cant get on a cheaper setup
Im new to fishing did research. I cudnt find any fuego lt combo and nasci combo when i first bought my stuff so my first set up was diawa bg 4000 combo(7' MH fast) its doing me so well! =) caught tons of fish from it. Snappers, spanish, trouts, etc etc
I never keep my rod perfectly parallel to the water. I also make sure my reel is cleaned greased an oiled with fresh line. Then I tie the hook on line Then hook 2lb bag to the hook and adjusted drag.
True to spend more on the rod than reel. Important note: you don't want a reel so cheap that line doesn't wrap tightly on the reel or the drag is so cheap it's not smooth. If the drag is rough an has a jerking sensation when coming off the reel 9 times out of 10 you'll lose a fish. Also you'd get alot of backlash if line doesn't wrap tight. When you reel line in after you cast, just be sure to keep index finger close to reel to help control line it's called feathering the reel.
I broke my favorite high end rod that was gifted to me by my groomsmen on a large stingray after years of great use. The 90 degree rule that Luke mentioned, is that 90 degree from the water/horizon or 90 degree from estimated fish/line angle?
So sorry to hear about the rod that broke! The 90 degree rule is relative to the angler that then line is pulling. Another way to think about it is that you never want the tip of the rod to be bent far enough to be pointing back towards the butt.
Hi- I went with the mojo 7' MHF. Would you recommend the Diawa Fuego LT or would this be too light for that rod. If you do recommend Fuego LT would it be the 3000 version?
@@Saltstrong this will be used for jigging and top water on the beach. Also fishing from the banks in the intracoastal waterway. I live in Jupiter, FL. Eventually I might get a kayak. But just getting into fishing. Plan on casting Heddon Zara Spook, rapala x-rap, slam shady lures with 3/0 1/16Oz owners TwistLock Hooks per your video.
After the terrible beat on of the baitcasters and now we should go back to cane poles cause obviously reels are un important.... it’s 50/50 if you can afford a Stella and you put it on a 200$ rod you will never feel the advantage of the Stella. Match the rod reel $ and you get the best out of both wether u can afford 100 a piece or 1000 a piece
if you know where the fish are, a drop line on a popsicle stick works just fine, but the drag system isn't quite there. I spent most of my fishing life buying quality reels, and lower to mid-range rods, believing the reels were the most critical component, and now upon retirement I'm having a blast buying a collection of upper end rods, with actions that I never dove into as a weekend warrior. And it's not that I'm catching tons more fish, but the experience of fishing for most of us isn't livelihood, but pleasure, so why cheap out. If you haven't experienced the differences in rod blanks, lengths and actions, then I think you're missing out on half the joy of fishing, cause it aint really how many fish you catch, but the process of the sport in its entirety.
If you have lures or hooks lite wire ideally you'd want a moderate action. If you have a medium or medium heavy rod with a fast or extra fast action tip you'd rip a hole in fishes mouth. The pros have said this that enter big tournaments. I know what they meant because I used a medium power rod an fast action tip an lost alot of fish setting the hook. Lite wire hooks will rip a hole in the fishes mouth I've experienced it. I used a light hook set on light wire hooks as u supposed to.
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Very good video, thumbs up and subscribed. I am having a hard time finding this info but do you think a Daiwa Ballistic LT 5000 that weighs 8.1 oz and has a line capacity of Mono(lb/yd): 16/250, 20/195, 25/140 would be a good fit for a 9ft Medium Bass Pro ocean master thats 15-30 lbs.
1 - 3 oz. or should I go up in size to a 6000 Ballistic thats 11.1oz Mono 20/270 25/225 30/160. I want to get good distance at reservoirs using baits like worms and leeches but not sure what teh perfect balance would be above the reel.
Well done guys. You touched on this a few times. Decide what you are presenting to the fish first, then what rod will give you the action you need then reel. This is something I carried over from my fly fishing to salt and just makes for a much more effective combo. Thanks Again.
Great podcast guys. One thing I find that was overshadowed and not understood with rods is this.- the most important thing for a rod to me is what lure weight you’re intending on using the most with the rod? Choose your rod power according to the weight recommendations of the rod. For example. Weight rating of 1/4 to 3/4 would be a great choice for a 3/8 ounce lure. It falls right in the middle of the weight ratings. Next is what type of lure is it? Is it a botttom contact with a large hook? You may need a fast action... is it a reaction type lure? Then you possibly could go to more of a moderate fast to moderate action rod. This is what helped me. You don’t need a heavy power rod for a lure with a small treble hook
I agree to a certain extent, you have to absorb all the specs . Some manufacturers describe the action in reverse. They
Say the action rating is based on how fast the rod returns to straight, not where it bends. Power determines line and lure weight . Species and conditions specific.
Great info here -- and very candid ... thanks for doing this -- please make more where the opinions are very frank and pointed.
Thanks for watching!
I just came across this video. I have a rod i am trying to find the right reel for. I built this rod from a Rod Geeks blank. It is 7'6" MH fast action. I put Fuji Titanium guides on it. With this combo it weighs in at under 6 oz. I have a BG 4500 that i put on it and it is very nose heavy. I have an older Penn Captiva 5000 that i put on it and it seems better balanced than with the BG.
I live on the E coast of Florida. I fish the ocean, Sebastian inlet and the river so i need the reel to be very versatile. And i maily fish artificials as well.
As a side note. I built another rod with the microwave guides. It seems to function very well.
I have seen you guys going fishing. I have driven past you while you were waiting at the light at A1A and 5th ave to head to the inlet while i turned on 5th ave.
Keep up the good work on teaching us
Thanks for your support!
Late to the party but so glad I found it . Been a fan, and sideline viewer/customer. The braid scissors that I picked up with the original Slam Shady promotion are still my favorites. This was the most helpful rod/reel guide I’ve found . Heading to your shop now. Thanks 🙏
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I’d say the reel does have some importance when casting if say you’re using a reel with a longer spool like the new FL, that’s something to look out for when buying
Agreed
Great job guys! I wished you had talked about 1 piece rod vs 2 piece rods.
excellent , informative and well worth a listen !!!
Ya got to have a beard mustache and goatee, in fishing lol.
Hahaha!
Glad I finally had the chance to watch this episode. Awesome information!
I'm absolutely sold on the Bull Bay rods. Some of my favorites. The sniper and banshee series are perfect for inshore artificial presentations. Plus there made somewhat locally to me. I also like the shimano terrimar if your looking for alot of bang for your buck
Bull bay rods have become the the one brand of rods I use now.
I love st croix but I either want a g loomis or a bull bay, just hard to figure out how the powers/actions compare.
100% agree with Mark: take the name brand off the Rod. Performance and Popularity don't directly correlate with each other. The same applies to Reels, and many other products! Really good point man 👍
Your right on about the rods being more important than the reels but i bought a Van Staal last year and it works great but so does my Shimano that i paid a lot less.
I have a st croix legend tournament inshore rod 7” MHF, paired with Stradic 5k works great!
My mom has that setup
I love st croix rods. My go to until I finally pull the trigger on a G. Loomis
Thank you gentlemen Excellent podcast 👌 Extremely informative 👍
Great Stuff!... and entertaining banter too! It would be helpful if you would give specific model numbers of the rods discussed. For example, and are MANY variations in the E6X family. Another point would be the "Saltwater" versus "Freshwater" versions (e.g., St. Croix). I'm guessing this is just marketing, but if there is really a difference, it would be good to know the details.
I agree a more universal rod/reel combination as opposed to “technique specific” so can I have 5 rods as opposed to how many do I need? Budget as well as let me think about this (and therefore time) can make it expensive and LESS time with line in the water. These gentlemen may have the time to spend on the water and applaud their knowledge. At some point K.I.S.S. principal comes into play.
Shimano Sustain 3000 + Star VPR 7' + 10lbs braid = perfect for throwing soft plastics. Always have it with me the truck!
I love my TFO fly rod, hated the spinning rod so much I gave it away.
I have a 710 penn a green one and looking for the right rod
Interesting. Any thoughts on a rod to cast chunk bait out and weight to pin it for tarpon on the bout line off Sanibel
I'm new to fishing and liking it. This was a great review about rods. Thank you.
My go to set up is a spinfisher 2500 10lb broad with medium light set up for small lures n a 6500 for when I target big fish
Thanks for sharing! Sounds like a great set up!
Good Evening Gentleman,
I have thoroughly enjoyed this session and learned quite a bit. Ironically I have 3 TFO rods and a St. Croix Triumph that I am trying to find the correct reels to go with. Without knowing I'm on the right track. I primarily fish for perch and walleye here in Upstate NY. Going to venture into Steelhead on the Salmon River. Oneida Lake is great for eater Walleye. Again, thanks for being there. Stay safe and have a great Holiday Season. ScottyD.
Great Video, question I moved from Florida to Virginia which I go back to visit frequently. What I would like to know is there a 2 piece rod that I could travel with that is very good to go with a 5500 reel? for saltwater fishing
Extra fast action tip is great if you use jerkbaits even a swim jig or a bucktail
Thanks!
Love the rod balance Luke
I agree about the rod 1st when it comes to casting and hooking the fish. Reel comes to play when you reel back the fish or in the presentation part. However, lure and presentation are critical, that’s what gets the fish to bite, then the reel and line come to play. To summarize, rod for casting and fighting the fish, line for the size and type of lures, along of securing the fish, the. reel is important of presenting the lure and bringing the fish in. All important in that order.
Thanks for the feedback!
I agree with you that the rod is most important when battling a fish. So right handed fishes should use a left handed reel! I’ve seen so many videos where the fisher is changing hands after the cast and holding the rod in the weakest limb because the reel is wrong.
Enjoyed the conversation on rod education & reel combinations. Thanks
First great conversation about rods.. Its such an easy habit to think of rods as an after thought... With no industry standard you are stuck with lure rating in combo with line power action to try and get a picture without hands on.. Much better to buy rods hands on or try them first where reels from reviews and specs can paint a much clearer picture.
Great info.
But about comments about spinner reels and drag:
10lb braided line is actually average 25lb actual break strength 20-27lb in most popular brands.. Drag should be 5-7.5lbs.. 10lb rated could be anywhere from 9lb to 29lbs across the industry just in braided.. 30lb mono for leader can be 29-50lb+.. Most manf.Line strength has a large buffer I,e underrated compared to when I was a kid starting salt fishing in the early 80s.. Line is so much better and consistent with endless choices.
These reels are not baitcast round reels which is where the drag % setting and set and forget came from.. This was because any more drag needed to slow runs or stop being spooled was easily accomplished with a thumb or hand on the spool.. This is not easily accomplished on a spinning reel.. You thus adjust the drag.. The 20-30% of break for properly rated line to target fish was an intial or base setting that on a round reel could be set it and forget it most time.. Spinners are different.. Still is a base but for control the drag knob replaces the hand on the round reels...
Hook a nice large stripper up here in Va MD area at a river mouth @ the bay with 2-3lb drag and it WILL spool a 200-250yd worth of line and break you off.. Done it on larger tarpon farther south as well
The info on rods was great.. Showing balance points etc very helpful.. Is a great video for a newer angler turorial and helpful even to more experienced anglers.
When do you talk about matching a reel size to a rod size?
It sounds like we need to be thinking more about how to pair our beards with our rod and reel combinations folks.
Lots of information, but I'm still not any closer to being able to pick a rod and a reel, though I do have some ideas and pitfalls to avoid.
The reel also acts as a counter weight when casting. If your taking on sharks and rays you need the extended line range like in a 10000 but its not easy to cast with that so your only gonna cast that once every 30mins or so. My first mistake was to put a penn 8000 liveliner on a prevail 14ft. To much weight to cast far or accurately where when i matched it with a aird lt 5000 it was too light and i felt like i was gonna throw the rod away every cast. A 6500 reel works a treat
Great convo guys. Love it
I bought a Temple Fork on whim 2 years ago. It’s been a great inshore rod.
Nice!
i just bought a new DAIWA DF100A and spooled 100lb braid on it for catfishing. what rod should i use? i also do a little bridge and pier fishing.
I may be missing something but... CZcams has exposed me to a bunch of Reel videos by Salt Strong but I have not seen hardly any Rod videos... Are they there and I am not seeing them?
Great info guys, thanks for the education!
Okuma rods generally amazing for light wire hook treble hook or finess style of fishing 🎣
Thanks!
Oh forgot to mention for the two piece need one I could use to catch reds, kingfish, and cobia with the size 5500 reel, thanks
Almost like people, don’t know when your Walmart Shimano Reel locks up from the saltwater. All you have to do is take it apart clean it put new grease in and it works like new quit buying new reels.
Thanks for the comment!
I was given a Daiwa BG 4000 reel spooled up with 40lb braid for my birthday. I plan on fishing jetties around Southern California, maybe some kayak fishing down the road. Targeting calico bass, halibut, sculpin, sheephead, maybe some sea bass and yellow tail. Could you recommend a rod around $150 or less that would fit this application.
I’m running a ugly stick big water 2 piece with a Penn battle 3-4000.
Mot sure but most rod companies don’t bother to mention power and action separately on the rod few models don’t even tell casting wight capacity, they just print e.g Action : medium fast , thats it.
I constantly catch bull reds with an ugly stick and a quantum reel...using monofilament 17lb line. Of course 90% of my fishing is pier and jetty..so not sure if i agree
Thanks for the feedback!
Hey guys, I'm dialed into your podcast on rod vs reel and I've got lots of screw-ups to show for my inexperience. But Luke just said something that grabbed my attention. What difference does a rod make when fishing with lures vs natural bait? We spend A LOT of money on bait, believing that live (or dead) shrimp catch more fksh.
Using artificials, you will be casting 10x more than if you are using live bait. Therefore, a rod used mostly for artificials should be lighter, with a fast action to help cast light lures. With live bait, generally those things aren't as important since you're doing far less casting.
I am in the Washington state, The great Pacific Northwest. Do you have people from this area join your Insider Club? we fish both the cast and Puget Sound and many rivers too.
Great vids/podcast. What’s the difference between inshore rods vs salmon steelhead. Pros and cons of each.
Really informative guys. I’m new to surf fishing and so of course I purchased a new reel first, the Penn fierce 3, 4000. I’m fishing the Bandarus Bay in Puerto Vallarta, Mx with an existing rod and reel and catching snapper, jacks and calicos (relatively close to shore). I’d like to cast further as I can see rooster fish. Any recommendations to cast further? Anything else you would recommend? Gracias!
Lighter braid
Get it Homie!! Nice to see another Mexican based fisherman. I’m up in La Paz loving it
I’ve got a penn pursuit 2 - 10 ft and my reel is a penn 8000, what rod replacement should I pair my 8000 reel with
I’m looking for info on a rod and reel size for trolling for striped bass in New Jersey around 25 to 50 lbs range
I do more lake and stream fishing as I live inland do you have recommends for this.
Okuma epixor is a good reel in the $50 range
What rod would pair well with a Shimano Saragossa sw 6000? I need help😢
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@saltstrong hi could you tell me pairing with penn pursuit 4000&5000 reels, what ugly stik rod i should pair with them and what line as well as lures? I am going to use it in pier .Thank you
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@saltstrong I have a Penn Spinfisher VI with a 15-20 mono and 30-50 braid.. what spinning rod would you pair this with?
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Okay so I have a 6000 size shimano thunnus that I use for everything but I’m running it on a ugly stick tiger and I hate that rod, what should I put that reel on instead, I fish inshore on a boat and I just want a very versatile rod for 200 or less.
What's a good rod to pair with the Daiwa BG 2500 with 15 pound braid and 20 to 30 mono leader for fishing off a pier or bridge with artificial lures & live bait?
Did the pro just say he fishies $80 spinning reels,
An $80 reel should be fine for most applications.
And that Fuego is a good one!
Great advice
Sadly Shakespeare reels are junk. I'm trying okuma so far their ok. Thinking how it'll hold up by the end of this coming year. If the okuma doesn't hold up I'll try either a diawa fuego or a Mitchell 300. I hear Mitchell reels are descent. I have a couple lews spinning rod an reel combos their holding up well. The reels are quality an the rods are strong yet sensitive enough but not brittle their a good balance.
Thanks for your feedback.
Awsome discussion. what are your guys input on ugly stik rods?
They talked about ugly stiks without mentioning the brand name
Chriswoz83 so does ugly Stiks only have marketing fluff
Tiger they are inexpensive, and tough as hell. Great rods for very low cost
They are awesome. Cheap and tough as nails
@deathkillex Uglystik rods are really heavy and cast like a broom. If you're going to be using artificial lures you'll be making tons of casts each day you you'll be absolutely worn out. They're durable and cheap and if you're going to toss dead shrimp or cut bait off a dock they'll do fine. But if you want to cover a lot of water having something lighter will be a tremendous difference.
Any suggestions on a rod to pair with a 2500 Diawa bg? Thanks in advance.
7 ft medium power fast action rod
Yes! Get the 7ft Berkley lighting rod
Lews rods an reels are high quality for price. The reels have smooth drag an smooth retrieves with sealed bearings that hold up really well. I've got my lews reels soaked by dropping reel in water an no issues. Yes take care of reel by drying cleaning an putting oil an grease on components. The lews rods are strong yet sensitive to where you'd feel the action of fish that won't break. The guides are quality an do not wear out or corrode easily an are smaller to get better distance. For $80.00 plus to $100.00 you'd get a quality lews spinning rod an reel combos for sure. I have a couple lews spinning rods an reel combos in $100.00 to $100.00 plus dollar range. The Mach 1 lews spinning rod an reel I have I noticed price going up because the high quality an demand for this spinning rod an reel combo I feel is a must have. The rod has small durable guides tough an sensitive rod that holds up but can feel activity of fish. The drag an retrieve super smooth an durable if you accidentally drop reel into water. A must have is a Mach 1 lews spinning rod an reel an a lews smash spinning rods an reels.
Thanks for the intel!
The only down side I wish the screws for the reel seat were aluminum instead of plastic. The only way u get aluminum reel seat screws to tighten reel seat is it the rod itself is$100.00 plus to $200.00 dollar margin. The highest I could afford for a rod is alittle over $100.00. Then sadly would cost me another $80.00 plus dollars for a quality reel.
Question. I have 1 to 2oz lures and jig heads … can I use a rod that’s rated to,3/4oz for them
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So what reel should I get for my st.croix mojo inshore mhf 7foot rod?
Shimano Stratic ci4 4000 is perfect
$200
I have a 7ft mojo inshore with a Daiwa BG 3000. Love it. $100 reel
Fish Whisperer thank you for the recommendation, I looked at that reel and read the reviews. I’m caught between the ci4+, the FL, and the Diawa BG.
CMFishing thank you for the recommendation
Reel is everything rod just there to hold the drag
So whats best for a 6K Saragosa? A Star Stellar lite 7'6 12-20lb (my preference bc it can still cast 2oz + no problem) or 15-30lb rod? Usually a 12-25lb or 15-30lb rod would match better to a 6K size but Star rods are a lot more stout than most rod brands.
I have my Saragosa 6k paired with a 9ft Star VPR with 20bls braid, I like for throwing 2oz Hogy lures at the beach.
Hand placement when casting spinning rod. Do you put full hand in front of reel or hook it with your little finger. I tend to hook it but it’s not comfortable for all day.
What is the size of the reel I'm gonna to use for my 2.1 meters rod 100-250 grams lure capacity?
I have 2 Mojo BASS SPINNING RODS
MJS610MLXF / 6’10” / Medium Light / Extra Fast rods. I want to use them to fish for large mount bass in shore South FL with rubber worms Texas rigged. I have had a hard time finding the right reels as my line alway get tangled when casting. Can you recommend a reel and line match?
What power do u recommend for a st croix mojo inshore spinning rod. I'll be fishing in harbors and jettys in so cal.
Anything that is 8-17 lb should be fine Medium, Fast or Extra Fast Action.
Hi im new to fishing, I received a birthday gift from wife. Stradic FL 3000 with St Croix tide master 7'6" Medium Fast rsted 8-17lbs braid. Will there be issues if i spooled 20lb braid on it or just be better of with 15lb braid? I plan to fish alot of pier, shore and flats along tampa bay. Thanks for great vid!
15lb braid will be plenty for that setup
15 is plenty but 20 won't hurt it
What size briad you guys think I should put on my 8000 battle 2
I would say 60-80
@@tigeraudio thanks
@@cmfishing18 thanks
I would like to know y'all's thoughts on the Ohero Gold series rods or hyper series rods entry level rods that people wanting to get into inshore fishing and not break the bank might wanna check out.
Agree for is more important but why does it matter which one you buy first?
I have a bad shoulder. Im looking for light weight to cast artificials all day. One rod for fresh water(small bucktails. And one for inshore soft plastics and bonitta diamond jigs.
Anyone know what the lightest weight rod on the marjet is? Im a kayak fisherman.
Not sure of exact models but Falcon has a great selection of light weight rods that are very high quality. I also own a st. croix Mojo inshore and this rod is fantastic and light weight. ST. Croix also makes a Mojo bass of the same style. All of the mojo rods from st croix, the inshore and bass model also come in a kayak version with a shorter butt to that works better when sitting in a kayak
@mr1wildchild CaribbeanAngler ^^
@@cmfishing18 thank you my friend 🙏🙏🙏
mr1wildchild CaribbeanAngler no problem
I have had a Ugly Stik Tiger bws2200 medium/lite 6’6” rod that I love cause it has a very sensitive tip,and I am actually waiting for a Daiwa bg 3500 I recently ordered I just hope it is a good match I only salt water inshore fish with jigs and metal crank bait lures on this rod the bg 3500 should be fine I would like somebody else’s opinion on this set up also so all comments will be taken seriously thanks in advance fellas
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Good video
I have a st croix 7’6” Mhf wondering what would be a better reel for the rod salt x 4,000 or saltx 6,000
For Inshore, 4000 is big. It's ok but a 2500/3000 which are same just different in spool capacity would be better as they are smaller and lighter. Don't worry about drag power, and if you do upgrade to Carbontex washers and you are set.
Hey guys! Fishing long Island surf! Looking for a multi use combo setup 10ft-12ft in the $200-$350 range! Can you help me? Fishing from porgy's- Strip bass!
Get a 10 ft surf rod like the Penn Battalion with Penn Spinfisher VI 5500 or 6500. That reel is sealed well enough if you accidentally drop in salt water but be sure to rinse off well if you do. Do not hold it under water or reel underwater. The only reel that is designed for that is a Van Staal. This setup will get you close to $350.00. Use about 20 lb Power pro braid or Suffix 832 or Stealth Spider wire are also very good lines.
I have a stradic FL paired with a 8"6 daiwa acculite medium light rod. Am i committing a crime for using an inexpensive rod even tho it works well with my style?
I use this for freelining live shrimp or switch to a poppinng cork depending on the conditions in the jetties. Do i need to spend on something more expensive if my goal is to be able to cast the liveshrimp further?
That's a great light setup.
I already bought my gear. I have a Penn III 3000 and Penn III 4000 spinning reel with a Tiger Stick Conventional rod. Is it really a big no-no or can I get by until I buy a spinning rod?
You really should have a rod designed for spinning reels. The guides on a conventional rod are designed specifically for conventional reels.
Hello! I will be making rod and reel purchases in a couple of months. I don't have access to a boat; big lake nearby. What I like to do is have a couple medium heavy rods fishing on the bottom, long casting scenario; then , I want to have an ultralight rod working closer to bank catching fish to use as cut-bait. I was thinking about getting two saltwater surf rod/reel setups for the long distance bottom fishing. Have no idea what to get for ultralight rod/reel setup. Any ideas?
Spinning reels only---hate bait casting backlashes!!!!
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It doesn’t matter how much your rod or reel costs it’s all about what feels right for yourself for whatever your fishing for and where your fishing.
Very true!
A $100 setup on the water will catch you more fish than a $1,000 setup in your garage. Get out there and fish!
I absolutely agree! If you know what youre doing a $100 setup or even less than that will be just fine.
Besides fish dont care how expensive your gear is if you know where they are and know when the best time to catch them.
In my experience when you go for expensive stuff, thats you sometimes wanting more durability or are looking for some features that you cant get on a cheaper setup
What setup do you recommend for pier fishing?
Im new to fishing did research. I cudnt find any fuego lt combo and nasci combo when i first bought my stuff so my first set up was diawa bg 4000 combo(7' MH fast) its doing me so well! =) caught tons of fish from it. Snappers, spanish, trouts, etc etc
I never keep my rod perfectly parallel to the water. I also make sure my reel is cleaned greased an oiled with fresh line. Then I tie the hook on line Then hook 2lb bag to the hook and adjusted drag.
Great tip!
True to spend more on the rod than reel. Important note: you don't want a reel so cheap that line doesn't wrap tightly on the reel or the drag is so cheap it's not smooth. If the drag is rough an has a jerking sensation when coming off the reel 9 times out of 10 you'll lose a fish. Also you'd get alot of backlash if line doesn't wrap tight. When you reel line in after you cast, just be sure to keep index finger close to reel to help control line it's called feathering the reel.
Thanks for the info.
I broke my favorite high end rod that was gifted to me by my groomsmen on a large stingray after years of great use. The 90 degree rule that Luke mentioned, is that 90 degree from the water/horizon or 90 degree from estimated fish/line angle?
So sorry to hear about the rod that broke! The 90 degree rule is relative to the angler that then line is pulling. Another way to think about it is that you never want the tip of the rod to be bent far enough to be pointing back towards the butt.
@@Saltstrong thanks!
Hi-
I went with the mojo 7' MHF. Would you recommend the Diawa Fuego LT or would this be too light for that rod. If you do recommend Fuego LT would it be the 3000 version?
All depends on what species you'll be targeting with it along with the types of areas you'll be fishing.
@@Saltstrong this will be used for jigging and top water on the beach. Also fishing from the banks in the intracoastal waterway. I live in Jupiter, FL. Eventually I might get a kayak. But just getting into fishing. Plan on casting Heddon Zara Spook, rapala x-rap, slam shady lures with 3/0 1/16Oz owners TwistLock Hooks per your video.
After the terrible beat on of the baitcasters and now we should go back to cane poles cause obviously reels are un important.... it’s 50/50 if you can afford a Stella and you put it on a 200$ rod you will never feel the advantage of the Stella. Match the rod reel $ and you get the best out of both wether u can afford 100 a piece or 1000 a piece
So true, i agree
if you know where the fish are, a drop line on a popsicle stick works just fine, but the drag system isn't quite there. I spent most of my fishing life buying quality reels, and lower to mid-range rods, believing the reels were the most critical component, and now upon retirement I'm having a blast buying a collection of upper end rods, with actions that I never dove into as a weekend warrior. And it's not that I'm catching tons more fish, but the experience of fishing for most of us isn't livelihood, but pleasure, so why cheap out. If you haven't experienced the differences in rod blanks, lengths and actions, then I think you're missing out on half the joy of fishing, cause it aint really how many fish you catch, but the process of the sport in its entirety.
If you have lures or hooks lite wire ideally you'd want a moderate action. If you have a medium or medium heavy rod with a fast or extra fast action tip you'd rip a hole in fishes mouth. The pros have said this that enter big tournaments. I know what they meant because I used a medium power rod an fast action tip an lost alot of fish setting the hook. Lite wire hooks will rip a hole in the fishes mouth I've experienced it. I used a light hook set on light wire hooks as u supposed to.
Thanks for the input!
like a camera, the lens is more important because you can have not such a good camera but the glass makes the difference.
How in the World, could this Forum, be more confusing? OMG 🤔
Like diamonds...drop it man. It doesn’t go with the vibe, plus you ain’t a wrestler...😂
Khasief Cottle I still think it doesn’t match the vibe of the channel tbh.
Nice.✔
Easy, women with beards catch bigger fish.