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I’d love to see an Aussie punter one day fake the punt, start to run it, sell some candy to a would-be tackler, then slot it between the sticks from 50 out. Bloody sweet, mate
As a 30 year old Aussie who only played junior AFL but kicked footballs all my life I remember visiting Dallas Cowboys stadium in 2001 on a tour and then they let us play around on the field with some balls. We were kicking balls from all angles through the uprights, passing to each other, bouncing the ball and kicking long punts for fun. They thought we were freaks.
Had a similar experience in New Zealand when I was bored took a walk with a rugby ball and started bouncing it as you do and kept getting people stoping me as if it was hard to do with a big arse rugby ball 😂
That's the only way to call us AFL nut jobs mate. Ireland reintroduced AFL v Ireland Gaelic Football and I guarantee you the Irish went nuts when we had 20y olds smashing the talented players. In our aussie eyes it was just normal tackling but the Irish don't tackle in their footy, so it look like it was their players getting smashed....It was funny to see but i was pissing myself as the only Indigenous Australian watching at the time in Croke Park haha.
Like the barbershop conversation in "Coming to America" about Rocky Marciano beating Joe Louis. "Joe Louis was 55 years old when he came out of retirement to fight Rocky Marciano! He was 76 years old! Frank Sinatra himself came and sat in this very chair to get a haircut, and I asked him 'Frank, you knew Joe Louis, between you and me how old was he really when he fought Rocky Marciano? And Frank looked at me and said he was 137 years old! A hundred and thirty seven!'"
The thing is with AFL players is that they go straight into the league after high school (17/18 years old) and while some do University part time, a lot don’t. So when their careers end in the AFL they tend to get degrees and stuff, which is why if they switch go NFL, they get scholarships to college.
Exactly. Theres no "college afl" over here so kids get drafted straight out of high school. It is a weird dynamic though having 30 year old men playing college football with 17 year old kids but I guess it's no different to rookie AFL players vs veterans
True, but a lot of kids drafted at 18 play in the 2nd tier competition - state leagues for their 1st year. The best kids are straight into their AFL teams though.. They have to earn their spot.
6 out of the last 7 ray guy award winners were Australian from Prokick Australia. 6 of the top 15 punters in college this year were Australian same as last year. Most of the punters are good from Australia.
As an Aussie it’s good to see players in the nfl some of these boy’s have been holding a football since born hopefully we bring a new dynamic you guys haven’t seen I enjoy the game
Michael Dickson made the move to NFL/college after he failed to get picked up in Australian football. He always had a great kick but was viewed as injury prone. I bet he is loving that now as the kicker in an NFL team makes almost as much as an Australian football team!
Some of the Australian punters are 26 years old... Some of these guys are 32 years old... They're competing against men who are almost 40. . Pat can get swept away easily tho.
Soccer is the biggest and most important sport on Earth with over 4 billions fans and is massive in over 240 countries. Afl only has 7 million fans and massive in only 4 Australian states. Soccer will be the number 1 sport in Australia by 2050 hfgxb
I asked Pat this question. I said there were a few kids that got on scholarship this week. I just forgot they actually get them on scholarship after careers in rugby or the AFL / NRL. Some amazing punters. Shout out to Pro Kick Australia,... Love this show... Pat and the boys doing a fantastic job building it. Love the insight.
Michael Dixon's punt was blocked last night against the Rams, but he punted a second time and the ball flew 60+ yards. The officials on the field didn't know what to make of it and the play stood.
Pretty sure you'll find most who take the college route come over in their early 20s if not teens, the older recruits like Sav Rocca and Ben Graham usually try out directly for NFL teams.
@@Bonswally wouldn't say legends but Graham, Rocca and Darren Bennett were very good players who were known for how far they could kick the ball but age and injuries didn't allow them to do other things like run, jump, tackle, etc
308wce 05 Ehh I guess, I haven’t seen much of AFL the last couple of years due to coverage in the US (kinda a pain to watch matches at 3 in morning). It’s also more exciting when you see a kick 50 meters out off center or curved in.
@@wce05308 skill has definitely dropped off last few years, particularly set shots. With the two expansion teams, that's about an extra 80 guys required in the comp. Simply means that guys are playing in the league that a decade ago wouldn't have made it. Look at teams like freo and gold coast, skill levels there leave a lot to be desired
Great open mind. We feel the same here in Aus, it’d be amazing to get some of your athletes in our sport. Unfortunately they would have to take an insane pay cut and hope for 500-800K AUD
it’s so funny i’m from western sydney and a mate of mine just got a scholarship with florida state and where we are from it’s rugby league or nothing and the fact that he’s gone over there for a full scholarship is mental and blows our mind
Just for the non-Australians here (this would be similar across the major football (excluding "soccer") codes of rugby league (NRL - Jarryd Hayne, Jordan Mailata, Valentine Holmes), Australian football/Aussie rules (AFL - Ben Graham, Saverio Rocca, Brad Wing), and rugby union/rugby (can't think of any big players off the top of my head atm). Play junior footy from ages 6-16ish trying to make representative teams. From 16 through to 18 you're trying to get into a youth development squad of one of the major league clubs or for your state or national team. Some leagues will have a separate level for under-20/21/23 year olds. By then, if you haven't been signed professionally, you either spend the rest of your career playing "reserve grade" or even park footy (think "minor leagues"). There is no major collegiate circuit for most Sports here as most players with talent will be scouted very young playing for clubs inside a junior system, which acts as a talent development and identification system for a larger sports club. Many players here get headhunted between the different codes seeing as many skills can transfer between the different types of football (similar to the interaction between the NFL, CFL and college rugby). Most of the big Australian NFL players actually played in our "major leagues" here earning high salaries in national competitions which attract some of the biggest average crowds in the world. More and more young talent, particularly the naturally agile but strong Polynesians who play in the rugby codes and the Aussie rules talent who have great kicking skills but might lack the cardiovascular or more all around abilities, is being scouted by agents and are trying out for the NFL. More opportunities existing for Australian kids is fantastic, and in fact, some people have probably forgotten that an ex-NFL player played for the Newtown Jets rugby league team in the 1970s (Manfred Moore, drafted from USC but struggled in the big league) and that a former Oklahoma State basketball player, Mason Cox, plays in the AFL for Collingwood, one of the biggest Australian sporting clubs. Any time Aussies succeed in sport, it's an achievement for all of us, even though the media don't tend to talk about it here (even Jason Belmonte doesn't get much coverage at all)
@@santouchesantouche2873 sorry I might have worded it poorly but that's my point. Players that have good legs but can't keep up with AFL conditioning/pace can go to American football where cardio is not as necessary since you walk on the field and punt the ball then walk off.
@@aetd106 beg your pardon. Yeah I agree with that. Certainly the game has changed nowadays whereby most players are virtually middle distance runners. Used to be a game for a bigger body type.
Franklin signed a 9 year deal for 10 mil, that’s nowhere even close to 2 mil a year. The average kicker salary is around 1.8 million a year, or in aud terms 2.6 million. definitely better money, and better ofodds of a longer career than playing Aussie rules given the propensity for injuries
donkey ass reviews and do's So basically, the highest paid player in the AFL earns less than the average kicker. I know what sport Id want to reach the elite level at!
if anyone can find the clip of Aussie Darren Bennett of the SD Chargers putting the most vicious hit I've ever seen a punter give on a KR that would be great
@@wce05308 And the one of Sav Rocca getting smashed after the kick so hard his helmet came off... then him getting straight up and laughing as he ran off while his team mates were running towards him to see if he was still alive. Lol.
I’ve never understood why colleges don’t just recruit low tier footy players out of Australia Even sub tier 20U footy players kick 40+ yards like it’s nothing.
Actually not as much as you think, which is why the NCAA is already recruiting low tier & high tier footy (Aussie rules) players out of Australia but at an age where they've played & developed their kicking technique. Those 20U players you talk about don't have the technique that the mid-20s year olds have going through the Pro-Kick program, which are players that have been in the AFL or VFL
Checkout mason cox,he's a texan made the transition to afl,I wouldn't be surprised more American basketball players do the same eventually,so swings and round abouts isnt it
There hasnt been a punter who was a high profile ex-AFL professional for a while. I think Saverio Rocca was the last? Some are trying their hand at a younger age and therefore are competing against the best young American punters and therefore plenty wont make it.. Though a handful are..
I wonder if the improved opportunities and pay have decreased the likelihood an AFL player will try the move. The salary is no where near that of other sports like EPL, NFL, NBA, etc but if you make the top 400ish AFL players, $400000 a year throughout your 20s is enough to set a young guy up very nicely.
LOL. I went to a Pac coast school with a good Waterpolo program. We were up against 24-5-6 year olds from central europe who had played on national teams before becoming 'Freshmen'.
AFL is by far the best sport out there. Next to hockey. I pay to watch every season since it’s hard to find on Fox here in the US. Fox may show two games the entire weekend.
I've lived all my life in Perth except for a couple of 18month stints in Notts. I played a season with the Scorpions in 2007. Lots of young Hockey players in the team who still wanted to hit something hard in the off-season! A couple of them ended up on the MCG playing for GB.
Pat, I know of a 17-year-old kid who beat 30 VFL players in a Long kicking competition. VFL is more or less the AFL reserves. As for other kicking skills, there are plenty of 7 year-olds who can kick banana goals from the boundary line beside the point post.
It's funny how every time Pat mentions the Australian kickers he ratchets up the age they are (from 27 all the way up to "some are damn near 40")! Ok Pat, we get the point you're trying to make!
End over end kick? Nice terminology for what we Aussies call a "drop-punt". Funny thing is we have so many more weapons that can actually be used in different NFL scenarios, maybe even evolve your game! Kicks such as dribble kicks, banana kicks and my personal favourite ' which could be extremely useful for locking the other team in at 10 yards or under ' The chinana '. Its a checkside banana. I'd have to read the rules properly regarding onside kicks but i feel we could evolve that too with a Boomerang kick!
I suppose the reason we don't get "soccer" players is the contracts cud I'd much rather have them as kickers but I suppose they'd be too expensive for a kicker.
That's not really it. There are tons of soccer players all over the world in smaller leagues who aren't payed that much. The ball is a completely different shape and the skills aren't as transferable as you'd imagine.
Should start to see a Rugby Union style dropkick for onside kicks in the coming years. Put it up 30+ yards and it only travel 10 makes for easier regather. Turn the game on its head
@@nmer5023 kicking a k ball is a bit different from kicking a stardard ball. It like the difference between a new ball and a ball that is 40 overs old in cricket. It been softened up and moves different. And dropkicking an American football with accuracy is on a matter of practice. Ive seen clips of old bears qb Jim McMahon kicking practice drop goals from the 50yd line.
It's because we are born in the Southern Hemisphere and because we turn anti-clock wise, when we move to the North Hemisphere we age by decades every few minutes or so. That's why he said they were in their 20's, than 30's than almost 40. Plus probably drinking too much beer.
dude, specially preciate your bringing attention to and perspective to the kicking game..and special teams...so often overlooked but never by consistantly winning teams....they score tons of point and set the table for the defense...seemingly always ignored...why?
Was it Gary Sidebottom who kicked an NFL ball almost the length of the field at a game at half time, back around 1980, and the yanks lost their minds? Think it started the push for Aussie rules kickers.
Do they have salary caps in the NFL? If so they might be giving the scholarship as part of the pay package to stay under the cap and still have cash money leftover for getting other players that just want cash
Maybe these 17 to 20s who missed out come to oz and play in amateur local AFL, lhere in Australia, learn how to run, jump, kick and gain a motor. It would be better than gym and laps of an oval on the off season. Their are three ways to kick a AFL drop punt, screwie and drop kick. Question, how do outsiders handle the rules of AFL?
Maybe some of these 17 18 year olds could try Aussie rules. If they are big and athletic and can kick straight a lot of teams here can always use big key forwards. Look up Mason Cox, he is going great here for Collingwood. Even though he came from a basketball background, a lot of skills can be transferred to different sports.
I guess that shows the calibre of NFL players. You think 30 is old? Aussie rules, Rugby and Rugby league players are super fit athletes who are capable of playing full contact sport at an elite level..on a world stage well into their late 30s. I guess they find being on the field for a whole 5 minutes in total game play a bit like a walk in the park. Oh and yes all these players can run the ball, Side step, recieve and tackle!
It's professional sport. Once you're an adult you have to compete with every other adult for the spot. If the average age of kickers goes up then those 18yo will just have to wait until they're 27 before they get a start. Still gonna get there.
Really depends if they are going to the NCAA to get into the NFL or just the degree. If they are there just for the degree there is a good chance they'll be able to teach the younger kids coming through different kicking techniques. Really depends on how much playing time they lose to these punters but if it isn't much and they get to learn all these new tools it could add a new dynamic to punting in the near future and change up the game a bit.
Colin scotts played defensive tackle for the St,louis Cardinals ,was picked up from the University of Hawaii. Often spat on and threatened by many in that Hawaii team ,same reason they didn't want to see a outsider take a scholarship away from one of there own .Yes he had a scholarship. He fully understood where those guys were coming from .He did say that he squared up with the spitter though.
i read a few days ago a article about that on an app called thescore there it was said that the kickers mostly get recruited by the schools to make there degree and kick for them (so it might be handled like a normal scholarship for us/non us students that want there degree in usa) and after that when they get an nfl job it proably changes to the work visa - i hope that might helped answer ur question ;)
I can still kick 65 metres off 2 steps, was just kicking a tennis ball and Sherrin to my dog and i was getting onto barrells. Average kick in NFL ? 40metres
Some of them are near 40? Dude AFL career on average is 3 years. Oldest players make it to roughly 30yo On the college side, most AFL players go straight in to the system from 17yo so getting a education is usually well at the end of the career usually part time, so it makes sense for them to go to college in the USA.
I’m 21 and I play with a 27 year old. I always say “fuck I could it that far if I had 6 more years”. That’s how I always tease him when we’re competing
As an Aussie it’s great to see our boys heading over to play in the NFL. Now it would be awesome to see some fantastic American athletes coming down under and playing in the NRL or the AFL! That would be awesome!
lildrum78. That's a really tough ask - AFL doesn't have niche specialist positions the same way a punter/kicker is in NFL, so learning the game developing the game sense/awareness, and the myriad skills required to play AFL would be nigh on impossible. Ruck is probably the closest to a specialist position, that allows players to still play despite more limited all round AFL skills/game sense (deficiencies in kicking are more tolerated for Ruckmen than would be for other players), which is why Mason Cox has been able to have a reasonable career, despite obvious limitations, because he is super tall and has a good jump, which are the main characteristics for a Ruckman. Even still, the degree of difficulty for any athlete to transition to AFL (even as a Ruck) from another sport is very high, because most skills from other sports don't readily translate into AFL, and by the time an athlete is "college age" it is probably already too late to develop the necessary skills required for AFL from scratch. This probably explains why Mason Cox is really the only US athlete to do so with anything like success (his path would have been easier than most, given his basketball background, and his fairly unique physical characteristics. ie; if Mason was 6'3", he not only would never have made it, he likely would never have been afforded the opportunity to even try). Cheers! p.s I think what Mason Cox has been able to achieve in AFL is truly remarkable, and a great credit to him, and the dedication and work he has put in, but even still, he is certainly no "star", and I think even he would probably admit, that he is "a bit lucky", to still be in the AFL.
I think laterals are a massively underdeveloped area in the NFL to be exploited, part of the reason Lamar has been so good this season is that his runs include lateral options to a receiver.
You guys are over-selling the skills of rugby players. Drops kicks are only a niche skill in American football that won't earn a player a roster spot - one needs all of the skills of a Michael Dickson to be a worthy punter e.g. Holding, kick offs, trick plays run & pass. Lateral passing has been tried & tested in the college system & coaches know its only effective in spots because it is easily defended. Once the ball is snapped & multiple runners come out on an option play for a lateral pass we as defenders are taught to go up & hit (not tackle) any offensive player that is in a position to receive a lateral/option pass. It's legal (not defensive pass interference) as the receivers are not receiving a forward pass, & it takes away options for the ball carrier. The reason why Lamar Jackson & the Ravens are effective with this type of play, is again because they use it sparingly & mix it in with their read option run/pass, regular running plays with the HB, regular pass plays, play action - and their talented 2 TE sets which are hard to read whether it's run or pass because the TEs are equally good at both receiving & blocking
There was another aussie before both of them but fkd if i can remember his name,wasnt a kicker either,edit colin scott defensive tackler,big bugger he sometimes is on tv panel shows
GO the DONS (ESSENDON) 48 COLLINGWOOD TO 63 ESSENDON...F.....K Collingwood. you should follow a good club mate. COX was not the main player brother, would have been no difference if he played our not...from Essendon supporter point of view that is. GREAT GAME MATE I hope you washed the game champ.... Be good our good at it mate, if you are don't Bragg. Cheers
I’d love to see an Aussie punter one day fake the punt, start to run it, sell some candy to a would-be tackler, then slot it between the sticks from 50 out. Bloody sweet, mate
Just go full Lance Franklin vs Essendon on em lmao
Hearing this in Dennis Cometti’s voice rn
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Gotta drop kick it to count tho unfortunately
Geelong Bike Night most these athletes play some NRL and Rugby growing up so would know their way around a drop kick
As a 30 year old Aussie who only played junior AFL but kicked footballs all my life I remember visiting Dallas Cowboys stadium in 2001 on a tour and then they let us play around on the field with some balls. We were kicking balls from all angles through the uprights, passing to each other, bouncing the ball and kicking long punts for fun. They thought we were freaks.
Had a similar experience in New Zealand when I was bored took a walk with a rugby ball and started bouncing it as you do and kept getting people stoping me as if it was hard to do with a big arse rugby ball 😂
That's the only way to call us AFL nut jobs mate. Ireland reintroduced AFL v Ireland Gaelic Football and I guarantee you the Irish went nuts when we had 20y olds smashing the talented players. In our aussie eyes it was just normal tackling but the Irish don't tackle in their footy, so it look like it was their players getting smashed....It was funny to see but i was pissing myself as the only Indigenous Australian watching at the time in Croke Park haha.
The kickers keep getting older as the episode goes on. 😂 😂 😂
went from 27 to 40 in 2 minutes.
it is very interesting
If this was a 10 minute clip the kickers would be damn near 85! 😂
Like the barbershop conversation in "Coming to America" about Rocky Marciano beating Joe Louis. "Joe Louis was 55 years old when he came out of retirement to fight Rocky Marciano! He was 76 years old! Frank Sinatra himself came and sat in this very chair to get a haircut, and I asked him 'Frank, you knew Joe Louis, between you and me how old was he really when he fought Rocky Marciano? And Frank looked at me and said he was 137 years old! A hundred and thirty seven!'"
Some of these guys are 90 competing with foetus' and they get an opportunity to go to college. I think it's interesting.
The thing is with AFL players is that they go straight into the league after high school (17/18 years old) and while some do University part time, a lot don’t. So when their careers end in the AFL they tend to get degrees and stuff, which is why if they switch go NFL, they get scholarships to college.
Exactly. Theres no "college afl" over here so kids get drafted straight out of high school. It is a weird dynamic though having 30 year old men playing college football with 17 year old kids but I guess it's no different to rookie AFL players vs veterans
Now days nearly all AFL players that are younger have to do a mandatory tafe or uni course part time
True, but a lot of kids drafted at 18 play in the 2nd tier competition - state leagues for their 1st year. The best kids are straight into their AFL teams though.. They have to earn their spot.
6 out of the last 7 ray guy award winners were Australian from Prokick Australia. 6 of the top 15 punters in college this year were Australian same as last year. Most of the punters are good from Australia.
Are you aware of Darren Bennett's career?
As an Aussie it’s good to see players in the nfl some of these boy’s have been holding a football since born hopefully we bring a new dynamic you guys haven’t seen I enjoy the game
Michael Dickson an actual beast, can you do like reaction to some of his/other kickers film/kicks and stuff?
He hasn’t had that good of season compared to last year
Chickenz yeah, i was at a seahawks game and dude rocketed a punt like 65-75 yards
He looks scared and uneasy while waiting for the snap. I agree that he hasn't had the year he had last year.
@@KillerChickenz01 blame the other specials. Dude is killing it
This year was really good though
Michael Dickson made the move to NFL/college after he failed to get picked up in Australian football. He always had a great kick but was viewed as injury prone. I bet he is loving that now as the kicker in an NFL team makes almost as much as an Australian football team!
Thanks for the awesome feedback man! From Aus with love. 👌🇦🇺
Mitch from my home town perth wa, what a legend
Some of the Australian punters are 26 years old...
Some of these guys are 32 years old...
They're competing against men who are almost 40. .
Pat can get swept away easily tho.
These guys are damn near 95 😂
"its incredible how these 100 year olds come over from Australia"
It's because of the metric system there is 1.6 Australian years to an American year.
Soccer is the biggest and most important sport on Earth with over 4 billions fans and is massive in over 240 countries. Afl only has 7 million fans and massive in only 4 Australian states. Soccer will be the number 1 sport in Australia by 2050 hfgxb
@@mufc383 no it wont, while its entertaining to a point, it ain't AFL and still boring to watch when compared to an AFL game
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Feeling i got from the tone
I cannot believe that he hasn't ever even mentioned the Scottish Hammer 🔨
I asked Pat this question. I said there were a few kids that got on scholarship this week. I just forgot they actually get them on scholarship after careers in rugby or the AFL / NRL. Some amazing punters. Shout out to Pro Kick Australia,... Love this show... Pat and the boys doing a fantastic job building it. Love the insight.
Rhodri Jones Florida just gave an Aussie punter a scholarship. Real excited to see him drop some bombs.
AFL isn't rugby and NRL is rugby league
@@-AEDOS- Rugby Union and NRL is rugby league. I'm Welsh.
@@JonesRhod tell me more than one punter in the NFL that has a background in rugby. They all come from the majority punting game Aussie Rules
Lol@ the idea of any rugby league player completing University! Rugby union, sure, not rugby league
Michael Dixon's punt was blocked last night against the Rams, but he punted a second time and the ball flew 60+ yards. The officials on the field didn't know what to make of it and the play stood.
Pretty sure you'll find most who take the college route come over in their early 20s if not teens, the older recruits like Sav Rocca and Ben Graham usually try out directly for NFL teams.
It's weird, those guys were legends in Australia before they went to the NFL.
@@Bonswally wouldn't say legends but Graham, Rocca and Darren Bennett were very good players who were known for how far they could kick the ball but age and injuries didn't allow them to do other things like run, jump, tackle, etc
@@joshf-w9602 Elite then. Top shelf. I grew up watching them play.
Mike Dickson is insane, he is an amazing punter and can drop kick a 60 yard field goal
Noah Sorensen That’s only a decent kick in the AFL (Australian Rules Football) longest goal in AFL history was 78 meters or 85 yards
@@brian2440 a lot of them struggle to kick 50 metres these days.
308wce 05 Ehh I guess, I haven’t seen much of AFL the last couple of years due to coverage in the US (kinda a pain to watch matches at 3 in morning).
It’s also more exciting when you see a kick 50 meters out off center or curved in.
@@brian2440 the skill has improved out if site bit the long kicking is not as prevelent as it was years ago. Mainly due to tactics.
@@wce05308 skill has definitely dropped off last few years, particularly set shots. With the two expansion teams, that's about an extra 80 guys required in the comp. Simply means that guys are playing in the league that a decade ago wouldn't have made it. Look at teams like freo and gold coast, skill levels there leave a lot to be desired
The end over end kick he refers to is called the drop punt in Australia.If you can't drop punt the ball in Aussie Rules then you can't play.
Great open mind. We feel the same here in Aus, it’d be amazing to get some of your athletes in our sport. Unfortunately they would have to take an insane pay cut and hope for 500-800K AUD
Sav Rocca made his nfl debut at 33 overlooked people deserve chances too. Just 1 season in the nfl can change your life
He wasn't overlooked, he had a very successful AFL career before the NFL
it’s so funny i’m from western sydney and a mate of mine just got a scholarship with florida state and where we are from it’s rugby league or nothing and the fact that he’s gone over there for a full scholarship is mental and blows our mind
Win Sydney we have like 50 NRL teams
bro no one watches the afl here in sydney compared to rugby league 🤣
Just for the non-Australians here (this would be similar across the major football (excluding "soccer") codes of rugby league (NRL - Jarryd Hayne, Jordan Mailata, Valentine Holmes), Australian football/Aussie rules (AFL - Ben Graham, Saverio Rocca, Brad Wing), and rugby union/rugby (can't think of any big players off the top of my head atm).
Play junior footy from ages 6-16ish trying to make representative teams. From 16 through to 18 you're trying to get into a youth development squad of one of the major league clubs or for your state or national team.
Some leagues will have a separate level for under-20/21/23 year olds. By then, if you haven't been signed professionally, you either spend the rest of your career playing "reserve grade" or even park footy (think "minor leagues").
There is no major collegiate circuit for most Sports here as most players with talent will be scouted very young playing for clubs inside a junior system, which acts as a talent development and identification system for a larger sports club. Many players here get headhunted between the different codes seeing as many skills can transfer between the different types of football (similar to the interaction between the NFL, CFL and college rugby).
Most of the big Australian NFL players actually played in our "major leagues" here earning high salaries in national competitions which attract some of the biggest average crowds in the world.
More and more young talent, particularly the naturally agile but strong Polynesians who play in the rugby codes and the Aussie rules talent who have great kicking skills but might lack the cardiovascular or more all around abilities, is being scouted by agents and are trying out for the NFL.
More opportunities existing for Australian kids is fantastic, and in fact, some people have probably forgotten that an ex-NFL player played for the Newtown Jets rugby league team in the 1970s (Manfred Moore, drafted from USC but struggled in the big league) and that a former Oklahoma State basketball player, Mason Cox, plays in the AFL for Collingwood, one of the biggest Australian sporting clubs.
Any time Aussies succeed in sport, it's an achievement for all of us, even though the media don't tend to talk about it here (even Jason Belmonte doesn't get much coverage at all)
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Aus's got shit union kickers. I'm a saffa and hope Aus get back to the power house they were in the 2000's. Would be awesome.
Aussie rules players lack cardiovascular? Wtf are you talking about? It's obvious you have never even watched the game...
@@santouchesantouche2873 sorry I might have worded it poorly but that's my point. Players that have good legs but can't keep up with AFL conditioning/pace can go to American football where cardio is not as necessary since you walk on the field and punt the ball then walk off.
@@aetd106 beg your pardon. Yeah I agree with that.
Certainly the game has changed nowadays whereby most players are virtually middle distance runners. Used to be a game for a bigger body type.
I’ll always be a Brad Wing fan, miss the dude
So do Buccaneers fans from 2014
Jordan Berry, another Australian, replaced him on the Steelers' roster.
Imagine if the NFL actually recruited the top tier players from Australia and not these 3rd devision players
Tracey P the top players in Australia earn very good coin. They wont go to NFL for chump change
@@patsygriffith984 chump change and only punting a handful of times a game.
Patsy Griffith Chump change in the NFL is equal to the highest paid Aussie rules athlete. Money is way different in the US
Franklin signed a 9 year deal for 10 mil, that’s nowhere even close to 2 mil a year.
The average kicker salary is around 1.8 million a year, or in aud terms 2.6 million. definitely better money, and better ofodds of a longer career than playing Aussie rules given the propensity for injuries
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So basically, the highest paid player in the AFL earns less than the average kicker. I know what sport Id want to reach the elite level at!
Y’all need us to come teach you to catch as well ;)
if anyone can find the clip of Aussie Darren Bennett of the SD Chargers putting the most vicious hit I've ever seen a punter give on a KR that would be great
Darren Bennett played Australian rules football here in Australia and he had a canon for a leg.
well he absolutely crushed the return guy, footage used to be on the Charger official site - he was inducted into their ring of honor
@@Zennofobic I remember that it was all over the news here in Australia at the time. I remember the commentators going nuts over it.
@@wce05308 And the one of Sav Rocca getting smashed after the kick so hard his helmet came off... then him getting straight up and laughing as he ran off while his team mates were running towards him to see if he was still alive. Lol.
I’m actually apart of prokick and go to my first camp in January
Frankbob337 Ttv shibby good luck mate
Who? Thanks man 👍
good luck!
Mark DP thanks 👍
Let us know how you go,where you been playing footy?
"I would stand 5 years back and see if he could keep up with the boomstick" 😂😂 Pat McAfee is a legend
I’ve never understood why colleges don’t just recruit low tier footy players out of Australia
Even sub tier 20U footy players kick 40+ yards like it’s nothing.
A lot can kick the distance, not many can kick with the hang time & accuracy required
David B I would say more can than most college kickers
Different balls could defs play a part
Actually not as much as you think, which is why the NCAA is already recruiting low tier & high tier footy (Aussie rules) players out of Australia but at an age where they've played & developed their kicking technique. Those 20U players you talk about don't have the technique that the mid-20s year olds have going through the Pro-Kick program, which are players that have been in the AFL or VFL
20 percent of all college punters are Australian they go through Prokick
Checkout mason cox,he's a texan made the transition to afl,I wouldn't be surprised more American basketball players do the same eventually,so swings and round abouts isnt it
There hasnt been a punter who was a high profile ex-AFL professional for a while. I think Saverio Rocca was the last? Some are trying their hand at a younger age and therefore are competing against the best young American punters and therefore plenty wont make it.. Though a handful are..
I wonder if the improved opportunities and pay have decreased the likelihood an AFL player will try the move. The salary is no where near that of other sports like EPL, NFL, NBA, etc but if you make the top 400ish AFL players, $400000 a year throughout your 20s is enough to set a young guy up very nicely.
LOL. I went to a Pac coast school with a good Waterpolo program. We were up against 24-5-6 year olds from central europe who had played on national teams before becoming 'Freshmen'.
I’d love it if you took a look at Max Duffy. He’s a fan favorite at UK.
I’m old school on Punters. The punters I tried to copy were Ray Guy, Dave Jennings, and John James. Yes I’m in my 50’s. Lol
They are better now.
Checkout one of your texan boys mason cox afl
I’ll 28 from Aus - coming out later this year - get ready for the 👊
AFL is by far the best sport out there. Next to hockey. I pay to watch every season since it’s hard to find on Fox here in the US. Fox may show two games the entire weekend.
I've lived all my life in Perth except for a couple of 18month stints in Notts. I played a season with the Scorpions in 2007. Lots of young Hockey players in the team who still wanted to hit something hard in the off-season! A couple of them ended up on the MCG playing for GB.
Pat, I know of a 17-year-old kid who beat 30 VFL players in a Long kicking competition. VFL is more or less the AFL reserves. As for other kicking skills, there are plenty of 7 year-olds who can kick banana goals from the boundary line beside the point post.
It's funny how every time Pat mentions the Australian kickers he ratchets up the age they are (from 27 all the way up to "some are damn near 40")! Ok Pat, we get the point you're trying to make!
Macafee you’d love to watch / play AFL. It’s made for you
PUNTERS ARE PEOPLE TOO!
End over end kick? Nice terminology for what we Aussies call a "drop-punt". Funny thing is we have so many more weapons that can actually be used in different NFL scenarios, maybe even evolve your game! Kicks such as dribble kicks, banana kicks and my personal favourite ' which could be extremely useful for locking the other team in at 10 yards or under ' The chinana '. Its a checkside banana. I'd have to read the rules properly regarding onside kicks but i feel we could evolve that too with a Boomerang kick!
I suppose the reason we don't get "soccer" players is the contracts cud I'd much rather have them as kickers but I suppose they'd be too expensive for a kicker.
That's not really it. There are tons of soccer players all over the world in smaller leagues who aren't payed that much. The ball is a completely different shape and the skills aren't as transferable as you'd imagine.
Australian Football Players are the best kickers that you can get with an oblong ball not soccer players lol
Should start to see a Rugby Union style dropkick for onside kicks in the coming years. Put it up 30+ yards and it only travel 10 makes for easier regather. Turn the game on its head
This! I dont know why its not done already, better than the grubber kick stylee
A lot easier to dropkick a rugby ball due to the size. NFL balls are more pointy so the bounce has to be far more precise
@@nmer5023 kicking a k ball is a bit different from kicking a stardard ball.
It like the difference between a new ball and a ball that is 40 overs old in cricket. It been softened up and moves different.
And dropkicking an American football with accuracy is on a matter of practice.
Ive seen clips of old bears qb Jim McMahon kicking practice drop goals from the 50yd line.
It's because we are born in the Southern Hemisphere and because we turn anti-clock wise, when we move to the North Hemisphere we age by decades every few minutes or so.
That's why he said they were in their 20's, than 30's than almost 40. Plus probably drinking too much beer.
Shout out to the clean desk!!!
dude, specially preciate your bringing attention to and perspective to the kicking game..and special teams...so often overlooked but never
by consistantly winning teams....they score tons of point and set the table for the defense...seemingly always ignored...why?
Dickson is really good
well we to have an American playing AFL ( Aussie Rules for those not in the know ) for the collingwood football club and he is doing very well.
Was it Gary Sidebottom who kicked an NFL ball almost the length of the field at a game at half time, back around 1980, and the yanks lost their minds? Think it started the push for Aussie rules kickers.
The Aussie Rules guys are really good and they know how to play a physical sport which helps if they need to make a tackle
thats true; and they are usually bigger guys too and can put a hit on you if needed..
In Australia we’d play forcey backs. So we’ve been kicking for distance all our lives.
The Best Australian Punter I know is Jacob Templar(puntingforthepeople)who punts here in the German Football League
Michael Dickson is the best Australian punter
Bro they got hammers for legs
Would love to see Tricky Dicky and Lou Hedley on your show!
Darren Bennet n Sav Rocca were the pioneers
Do they have salary caps in the NFL? If so they might be giving the scholarship as part of the pay package to stay under the cap and still have cash money leftover for getting other players that just want cash
You could get 18 year old Aussie kickers
Maybe these 17 to 20s who missed out come to oz and play in amateur local AFL, lhere in Australia, learn how to run, jump, kick and gain a motor. It would be better than gym and laps of an oval on the off season.
Their are three ways to kick a AFL drop punt, screwie and drop kick.
Question, how do outsiders handle the rules of AFL?
Maybe some of these 17 18 year olds could try Aussie rules. If they are big and athletic and can kick straight a lot of teams here can always use big key forwards. Look up Mason Cox, he is going great here for Collingwood. Even though he came from a basketball background, a lot of skills can be transferred to different sports.
Love this show
I guess that shows the calibre of NFL players. You think 30 is old? Aussie rules, Rugby and Rugby league players are super fit athletes who are capable of playing full contact sport at an elite level..on a world stage well into their late 30s. I guess they find being on the field for a whole 5 minutes in total game play a bit like a walk in the park. Oh and yes all these players can run the ball, Side step, recieve and tackle!
It's professional sport. Once you're an adult you have to compete with every other adult for the spot. If the average age of kickers goes up then those 18yo will just have to wait until they're 27 before they get a start. Still gonna get there.
Really depends if they are going to the NCAA to get into the NFL or just the degree. If they are there just for the degree there is a good chance they'll be able to teach the younger kids coming through different kicking techniques. Really depends on how much playing time they lose to these punters but if it isn't much and they get to learn all these new tools it could add a new dynamic to punting in the near future and change up the game a bit.
Kiwi Kicker...
Kiwi Kicker gotta lift more bro
@@youtubes1358 weights?
Kiwi Kicker these nfl kickers and punters jack around 300 lbs like it’s nothin
@@youtubes1358 what is jack? Squat?
Kiwi Kicker sorry lol, it’s what Americans where I live call power/hang cleans
Aussie FB is like rugby - rough.
Nathan Chapman - the legend ✊
Colin scotts played defensive tackle for the St,louis Cardinals ,was picked up from the University of Hawaii. Often spat on and threatened by many in that Hawaii team ,same reason they didn't want to see a outsider take a scholarship away from one of there own .Yes he had a scholarship. He fully understood where those guys were coming from .He did say that he squared up with the spitter though.
Strangely not a good Rugby Union player
Us Aussies are raised on a steady diet of kicking footballs, Vegemite & Koala juice
Yo thats the first time i saw that cartwheel that shit cracked me tf up 😂
Question: are they on H1B, L, O1 visas or what kind of agreement?
A small but pretty, pretty important detail...
Steve stevenson I think the Pacific Ocean is just a bit bigger than the wall
i read a few days ago a article about that on an app called thescore there it was said that the kickers mostly get recruited by the schools to make there degree and kick for them (so it might be handled like a normal scholarship for us/non us students that want there degree in usa) and after that when they get an nfl job it proably changes to the work visa - i hope that might helped answer ur question ;)
E-3 probably since they're Aussies
I can still kick 65 metres off 2 steps, was just kicking a tennis ball and Sherrin to my dog and i was getting onto barrells.
Average kick in NFL ? 40metres
Hi pat
Australia is the best place on earth, Full stop......
Its the main componet of aussie rules, kicking. Of course they will be better on average at kicking. We also do it without padding and helmets. Haha
Lol look how little stuff is in the studio
Pat rugby players are good kickers as well. Rugby balls are easier to kick than an NFL ball and so for kids you learn when you first start.
Fucking love you mate
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we have to pay the bills
@01:38 Where’s Ty? 😄
Wait till the 60 year old punters turn up
Hows Wade Lee's kickin these days?
Cameron Johnston eagles represent lol
Some of these guys could be linebackers
it start the dudes were 27 years okd, then the dudes was 31, 33 years old, then end with some of the dudes are 40 years old :DDDDDDd
Some of them are near 40? Dude AFL career on average is 3 years. Oldest players make it to roughly 30yo
On the college side, most AFL players go straight in to the system from 17yo so getting a education is usually well at the end of the career usually part time, so it makes sense for them to go to college in the USA.
Many AFL careers are shortened due to injury - especially knees. The sport is brutal on the body and the knees are a weak point.
I’m 21 and I play with a 27 year old. I always say “fuck I could it that far if I had 6 more years”. That’s how I always tease him when we’re competing
As an Aussie it’s great to see our boys heading over to play in the NFL. Now it would be awesome to see some fantastic American athletes coming down under and playing in the NRL or the AFL! That would be awesome!
lildrum78. That's a really tough ask - AFL doesn't have niche specialist positions the same way a punter/kicker is in NFL, so learning the game developing the game sense/awareness, and the myriad skills required to play AFL would be nigh on impossible. Ruck is probably the closest to a specialist position, that allows players to still play despite more limited all round AFL skills/game sense (deficiencies in kicking are more tolerated for Ruckmen than would be for other players), which is why Mason Cox has been able to have a reasonable career, despite obvious limitations, because he is super tall and has a good jump, which are the main characteristics for a Ruckman. Even still, the degree of difficulty for any athlete to transition to AFL (even as a Ruck) from another sport is very high, because most skills from other sports don't readily translate into AFL, and by the time an athlete is "college age" it is probably already too late to develop the necessary skills required for AFL from scratch. This probably explains why Mason Cox is really the only US athlete to do so with anything like success (his path would have been easier than most, given his basketball background, and his fairly unique physical characteristics. ie; if Mason was 6'3", he not only would never have made it, he likely would never have been afforded the opportunity to even try). Cheers!
p.s I think what Mason Cox has been able to achieve in AFL is truly remarkable, and a great credit to him, and the dedication and work he has put in, but even still, he is certainly no "star", and I think even he would probably admit, that he is "a bit lucky", to still be in the AFL.
They have tried in the NRL to get on a team
Isn’t Ben grahem going in the draft?
They were 30 at the start of the show. By the end of the show they were in their 40s. 🤭🙄😂
All fun and games until rugby players come over and start drop kicking and lateral passing
Buff Baron
Yeah and we laugh at cunts wearing helmets and pads too. In Australia pads are sanitary products for women.
@@keithreynolos1045 🤣
I think laterals are a massively underdeveloped area in the NFL to be exploited, part of the reason Lamar has been so good this season is that his runs include lateral options to a receiver.
You guys are over-selling the skills of rugby players. Drops kicks are only a niche skill in American football that won't earn a player a roster spot - one needs all of the skills of a Michael Dickson to be a worthy punter e.g. Holding, kick offs, trick plays run & pass. Lateral passing has been tried & tested in the college system & coaches know its only effective in spots because it is easily defended. Once the ball is snapped & multiple runners come out on an option play for a lateral pass we as defenders are taught to go up & hit (not tackle) any offensive player that is in a position to receive a lateral/option pass. It's legal (not defensive pass interference) as the receivers are not receiving a forward pass, & it takes away options for the ball carrier. The reason why Lamar Jackson & the Ravens are effective with this type of play, is again because they use it sparingly & mix it in with their read option run/pass, regular running plays with the HB, regular pass plays, play action - and their talented 2 TE sets which are hard to read whether it's run or pass because the TEs are equally good at both receiving & blocking
@@davidb1356 interesting stuff, thanks
Benny Graeme the first Aussie to play nfl and first to play in a super bowl was a beast of a kick, search Ben Graeme 105 meter kick
Darren Bennett was the first AFL player to punt in the NFL
There was another aussie before both of them but fkd if i can remember his name,wasnt a kicker either,edit colin scott defensive tackler,big bugger he sometimes is on tv panel shows
@@russe19642 Colin Scott or Scott's played for phoenix in the mid 80s
@@ohbeedeeohbeedee9584 yeh i do remember seeing him on australian nfl coverages
mate, they can kick a loooong way
Dude: "PAYTHEBILLS"? What if I'm an Eagles fan?
Jordan berry though
Sorry Pat but guys with cannons for legs are common in Australia. You'd be just a drop in the ocean here. Not hating just stating.
Lou Hedley
GO the DONS (ESSENDON) 48 COLLINGWOOD TO 63 ESSENDON...F.....K Collingwood. you should follow a good club mate. COX was not the main player brother, would have been no difference if he played our not...from Essendon supporter point of view that is. GREAT GAME MATE I hope you washed the game champ.... Be good our good at it mate, if you are don't Bragg. Cheers
I’m 27 and I’m starting out again lol
There have also been some players went minor league baseball that then came to college to play football.
Michael Dickson 3 pat 2 and ray guy 1