Stihl and Echo Chainsaw Review- Which is Better?
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- čas přidán 10. 03. 2016
- Stihl or Echo Chainsaw- which is right for you? This chainsaw review has us comparing two popular models in a head to head comparison.
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I opened an Echo chainsaw repair business four years ago and I am still waiting for my first customer. My best friend opened a Stihl repair shop around the same time and has now moved to the Bahama's into a house on the ocean with my wife that left me for a wealthier man.
Says a lot.
Stihl is the worst
LOOOOOOL such a liqr
More people own Stihl and abuse them.
@@Zachpoteet380 Yeah OK bud
I have 35 years experience using chainsaws and currently have en echo CS 3700 and a Stihl MS 250. Whilst the Stihl is a very good saw, the Echo in every way is a superior machine and I have not found a brand to beat it. Japanese quality and reliability is still in my view the best
I used Stihl for years - in a big storm, I bought an Echo as a "Back-up" saw - it was, tbh, cheap. I now use that cheap Echo as my go-to daily saw & it refuses to die or give grief. I am- unashamedly - an Echo fanboy these days.
I was under the impression they are similarly priced?
@@ClaytonWillisMusicno Stihl is overpriced
Well fellows after some nearly 40 years using chainsaws I find comparisons are sort of like Ford/Chevy in that many saws cut well and feel well in different hands and folks have personal preferences. Most saws hold up more in the hands of those who use them properly, the way they personally cut things. Both here are good saws in the end.
finally someone with some sense.
I agree.
Ford and Chevy? Yeah okay, but in walks Toyota.
@@djangoapple8230 Toyota rules! 😎
@Bert Novilla I have an Echo and there's nothing "Clunky" as you say about them. Read user reviews. The echo always gets better reviews overall than Stihl. I would have purchased a Stihl but I done my research. Don't get me wrong. Stihl is a good saw. It's one of the higher-rated ones and so is Husqvarna. However, a family member of mine has a newer Stihl and he was over recently helping us cut some trees. He had to pull his starter rope like 20-30 times to get it started after he refilled after it ran out of gas. Those people who have problems with their Stihl's claim that they are hard to start.
I was running this saw for about 2 hours at about a 30-50% duty cycle czcams.com/users/postUgkxfQm1wmg0ItKDLavxj1nXtQY9HP7EF504 and it did a great job. I used the lever for the built in sharpener to clear chip buildup out more than to actually sharpen the chain. It managed to cut some hardwood stumps much larger than it's size without bothering the neighbors with hours of 2 stroke noise.
is it a 4 stroke? havent heard of one since the 50s!
I've owned an Echo CS 346 for over 12 years, cleared and cut down lots of trees, too many to count. The Echo still works almost perfect, l'm very impressed cause l bought this saw already well used at a pawn shop for $149 .
I have the Echo timber wolf for a couple years now, badass saw..plenty of power..very happy with it..
Unfair test ,First off Echo in not broke in,Stihl is well worn,second Different bars and chains you should be using the same chain and bar size.
Those were my thoughts too.
And putting a professional saw against a farm saw is a brilliant pile of crap also
Hotdog Nonesky so true !! Not an equal comparison at ALL!! Just silly!! Echos 590 is echos very best 60cc 20” saw, but not so with stihl. Try putting this echo 590 against the stihl ms261 then you have equal fight n comparison !!!
They are both 400$$ saws. That's as equal as you can get.
@@twal5299
Not even close. If you want to compare professional saws, compare professional saws. The farm saw will definitely Outlast the pro echo because it is designed to be a lower rpm saw that is simply a workhorse. It is a dumbed down saw that is built for longevity. The 261 is a smaller saw, but it is a pro saw. It will destroy both the 290 and the echo.
I have owned two Stihls, a pro 036 and 310. Both were good saws, but I recently sold both and bought a Echo 590 and smaller 400. The 400 I bought 1st looking for a lighter saw for trim work, and wow, what a great lightweight saw that cuts surprising fast through anything, and is so balanced, does not wear you out. I was so impressed, I bought the 590. The 590 simply smokes the Stihls............it has surprising power, not for the in-experienced. Again, Stihl makes great saws, but as far as performance goes, Echo out cuts them. Time will tell if the last as long, but for now I am totally satisfied.
Land Baron I have a 400 great saw
Echo will not out cut a stihl. echo saws are weak
@@dereksteele2284 you didn't watch the video😂
@@melissasmess2773 I run saws everyday, I think I know. People like u are clueless
I have an echo cs600p been running it for 4 years now and has never let me down. I use it on the farm all the time and cut about two or more tri axle loads of wood a year. An echo will hold up just as long as a stihl in my opinion.
I have a Stihl MS-250 chainsaw and it have not lived up to my expectation since it is hard to start, and I can't get anything done with it. Before I purchased the Stihl, I had a Poulan which I purchased in 2000, and it works great still, but I only use it around home. It sounds like the Echo chainsaw would be much better if I could find one in my area.
I had the same Stihl…it wore me out. Getting a similar model from Echo.
I've got an echo 400 and a Stihl 391. They are technically homeowner saws but I'm a landscaper. I've been running them pretty hard lately and very happy with how both are performing.
Its amazing how many people cant figure out that lower level Stihls saws are heavy, gutless and low quality and cost too much for what they are.
I have a old 660. I cut timber with it a couple years it held together ok. I will stick to Huskies better saw hands down
Right. Stihl is a pro equipment and they do make homeowner series and then mid grade but those are just for product share. If you are going to do a pro series line use the saws they specialize.
@@Jason607 I'll just stick to jonsered
@@MrMaverixk
Johnsered is just cheap Husqvarna.
@@hotdognonesky3766 It Still will last the same time as a husqvarna.
i bought my a 490 and returned it for the 590 after i saw this video, the echo 590 is a badass saw. i sold my stihl170 to help pay for it. great video!
MONEYBAGS603, the Stihl 170 is the smallest saw Stihl makes. Of course a 59 cc saw will out perform it. That’s comparing apples to oranges.
If you were using a 170, you don't know enough about saws to even speak here.
@@hotdognonesky3766 Nonsense. I use Echo 310's and Stihl 170's all the time, because they're great small saws and absolutely serve a purpose. Not all of us are basic tree cutters. Some natural resources professionals (myself included) are required to hike 10-15 miles through the backcountry in order to reach a site, and can't be carrying 50cc saws, gas, oil, PPE, etc. that distance while fighting through multiflora thickets.
Trust me, I know plenty of people who use the 170 as their primary saw because it's light and very powerful for it's size, and these people likely have thousands of hours more experience than you do.
@@ignorethefashion82
More experience than me? Lol
I've been doing forestry and running arboriculture activities for over 30 years. If you're using a 170, you're an idiot. The 170 is heavier and about half the HP of the 201 tc-m. A professional would know this. Any questions?
Hotdog Nonesky 😂😂 True dat! I know a little something because I’ve sawed many felled oak trees for a whole summer helping my dad out on his property after storms using his cs 590 echo timber wolf seen in video! And yes they are very good saws but you are right this is not a equal comparison at all! They should have compared this echo 590 to a stihl ms 261 !!! See what happens then🎯💯
Used an ECHO for 4 years (for everything, my wood heat included) without a single breakdown or issue, NOTHING! It has performed flawlessly and with great power no matter what obstacle I put it against....wood, ice, shingles, extreme cold, doesn't matter. You can't stop an ECHO. They really are great machines.
I bought the Echo because I couldn't justify 200 dollars more for a comparable Stihl. That price delta will buy a lot of consumables. I went with arboristsite reviews because that is probably the canonical pro and prosumer arborist website. The Echo is well made, and you can get the 600 if you want the pro version differences or just replace the bar with an upgrade (if necessary for your use case) when you wear out the original. No matter what saw you buy, there's always a better, more expensive saw available. The Echo is IMO great bang for the buck.
Echo saws have been gaining favor with the loggers around here for a few years. Their trimmers and top handle climber's saws have been popular for a long time and proven reliable. When the saw shops started carrying Echo's bigger saws people started trying them and liking them. There are three Echo dealers near me. Two of them also sell Husqvarna and the other sells Stihl. All three say Echo is their most reliable brand.
No surprise the Japanese know how to build an engine.
I have both an Echo and Stihl. I service them myself. I use them for how they were designed. If I need a bigger and more powerful saw, I will purchase another. For now, using them within their design parameters, they are both good tools.
I’ve been a professional urban forester for decades, climbing for the better part of that tenure. I always swore by Stihl, but when the time came to get a new top handle saw I chose an Echo cs355t. That was almost four years ago and in that time I’ve had absolutely no issues with it, not even a replacement recoil cord....as a matter of fact I’ve never even removed that cover. As far as I’m concerned that 355t is twice the saw as Stihl’s 201t, and for half the price. Like as not I’ll never buy another Stihl. And now I’m gonna pick up a 24” Echo cs590, as a “bucking” saw for when the diameter of the wood I’m climbing challenges the capabilities of my cs355t.
I generally love the echo and shindaiwa products, I really think they are underrated. Never had any major problems with any of their petrol products, they just perform.
I have a Echo cs500evl that I bought brand new in 1982. I use it every year cutting my annual firewood supply, usually 3 to 4 cords and for various projects. The only mechanical issue I had was the ignition coil about 20 years ago. So for very long term durability they can't be beat.
I got my hands on an old CS500VL as well and I do love that saw. It's darn near as old as me around 35-39 yrs old and it still runs fantastic, probably with original seals too. I've got some old heavy but super reliable and powerful McCulloch Pro Mac 610s I love as well. Great old saws that cut really well. The 500vl is a 50cc and lighter than the 610s yet heavier than something like a 46cc 250 that might cut pretty equivalent. Probably a little heavy for power to weight these days but man is it a great saw and rugged. I'd take the 500 over a stock 290. I just finished rebuilding 2x 290s and I was less impressed than I'd hoped for even with slight muffler mods. Building the last one into a 390 to see how it performs compared to the old 500 and 610s. I wouldn't mind having one of those 590s to try out at all though.
my saw cuts every year the amount you have cut in 35 and i trade every 5 years and my saws are still running good.
I've been very happy with the quality, Warranty and price of my echo blower. I will always consider an Echo product.
+omnimous69 That is what started this whole thing. I bought 2 Echo blowers, 2 trimmers and other echo equipment and was really impressed. I tried to find something wrong with my blower- and I couldn't!
I have the commercial version of the saw, the CS-620P. I have not been disappointed. I too have ran Stihl for years.
I love Echo all around and less espensive, more durable too
Stanley, first time I ever commented on your videos which I truly find both informative and entertaining. 5 years ago, I had to make the decision between Stihl and Echo. I went with Echo due to simplicity and mist of all - balance. The Farmboss is way to heavy on the motor end fo my liking. Today I had to use the Echo again. Even though it was left with a tank full of stabilized fuel, it started right up and performed flawlessly ( I had to remove the spark plug to relieve the compression and turn it over a couple of times). Stihl may be the name, but times are changing as they say. Stay safe...
Thanks so much for the comments John, I appreciate you watching. Stay safe also!
Bought a john deere 55 back in early 80's made by echo and used it today 07-18-2018 ran like brand new. Because of age parts are hard to find but saw still runs and cuts fantastic.Keep chain sharp and don't abuse bar.
Good vid. Thx. Been running a Huski 390xp and a Poulan Pro 52cc 20" , Echo is next on the list.
I’ve run Echos for most of my life because it’s what my dad always had. Just recently picked up a Stihl MS362CM to replace my old Echo 660EVL. It’s simply awesome. That being said... I won’t be neglecting it the same way I have with my Echo’s. Made in Japan to me means reliability.
LOVE MY ECHO chainsaw and bp blower
It's obvious this vid is a plug for Echo, which are darn good saws, but Stihl can match or better just about anything on the market.
As far as this comparison goes, the horsepower, the type of gas mix, how sharp the blades are and the overall condition of the chainsaws can make a huge difference, so this demonstration is basically a joke. It pisses off all the Stihl folks and gives all the Echo dudes a hard on.
Respect the powerful beast that a chainsaw is and give it lots of TLC in the maintenance department and it will serve you well, and stay away from the crappy consumer models, especially ones with batteries. :)
A MS290 is a crappy consumer model, heavy and under powered
Dimi K I
Stihl suck..echo all day long
Just bought the cs 400 today. That thing is a beast cut like a hot knife through butter
I own and use Stihl and Echo chainsaws both are excellent saws here at the farm besides normal maintenance you cant go wrong with either.
One thought about the Echo having a longer bar, this gives more chain teeth to clear the wood cuttings which means there is less chance of clogging. Would be interesting if the Stihl was fitting with the same length bar an chain. However looks a good saw.
I just bought an echo 590 and I run alot of different saws cuz I'm a firewood guy,my friend bought one and I used it and fell in love with it!!it is an incredible saw for the $$ and is good at falling bucking and limbing good size trees!!it really is good at everything and it is a couple hundred dollars less then the comparable Stihl and husquvarna!I love it and think echo products r underated...
The neat thing about all my Echo machines is that start and will not stall at low RPM. They putt, but will not quit.. :)
I have the CS 300 is the best I ever used, my next upgrade is a timber Wolf for sure!
Problem is, you are still comparing an old saw to a new saw.
it was totally rebuilt. didn't you listen to what he said? explain what's wrong...
The Echo was brand new and not broke in yet either, I've read several statements from owners that they really pick up after a couple of tanks of gas are run through them.
We made the switch a few years ago. The best thing we did. Students can start the saws and they have great power!
I got my first Echo chainsaw 15-18yrs ago, as a gift from my wife. I was a Husqvarna fan, but after a back injury I couldn't even start my big saw. I can say that my Echo's have been trouble free!..from Wyoming USA 🇺🇸 👋🤠
Nice review. The log splitter at the end is interesting. Wallenstein makes a log splitter compatible with BCS two-wheeled tractors, but it runs off the PTO and has a dedicated hydraulic pump.
Rather have a stand alone wood splitter, don't want to wear out my $20,000 tractor splitting wood.
Beware, the choke knob sticks out from the body and could get snagged and broken. The Stihl is hidden for this reason.
Never had that problem-thanks for the heads up.
Almost had this happen on a poulan pro chainsaw. The choke that sticks out like that got caught on something and i left it like that without noticing. Now the choke lever is bent down but still works, just not as easy to pull out anymore
matclue4 lol poulan is home depot garbage. And as for yhe chokes Dolmar doesn't have one for a reason. They auto prime and choke 1 pull they always start up even when cold.
whats worse an echo that wont start or a stihl that wont stop.
Glenn Lurman an echo that won't start lol. A stihl that won't stop all you have to do is choke it out.
I have 6 stihl chainsaw and love them the best money can buy
That's what I was thinking too before replacing my Sthils for Echos.
I can not say enough good things about this saw. I run it with a 24" bar and almost no bog down on full cuts. This is an awesome saw. Add in the value, no need to worry, this saw just cuts. Runs like a dragster to my Husky.
Have the Echo with an 18" bar, bought it when it was first released. Best saw I've owned. Power to spare without being a heavy brute. The Echo warranty is actually better than Stihl - not that it really matters as both are top quality machines.
I've run both. New vs new. The echo was my choice by a long shot in every category.
I like my echo's
You've had some comparisons that were not equal. Just like this video.
I bought the cs-550 and love it but in Australia its almost $1000 usd
One only get's the top quality with Stihl saws when buying their larger saws. Made in Germany quality. I own 5 Stihls, 3 Echo's and love everyone of them. Like one Commenter said, it's like comparing Chevy's and Fords. But my favorite "go to saw" would have to be the Echo CS-5000. Mabey a little on the Hot Saw Circuit but a Powerhouse in your presence. Cut with other Stihl lovers and they spent more time watching the Echo 5000 cut than their Stihl Farm Boss's. Nothing internal but minor carb, exhaust, timing mods. Get ya Sum!
I have a echocs600p ran that against my buddies still 311 both with 20 inch bars and sharp chains . the echo is way faster and more fuel efficient I was impressed. My dad recently purchased a e ho cs620pw and it'll run circles around my 600p
With the opinions like below its no wonder Stihl manages to sell low powered, heavy , low quality saws like the one in this vid
Oh wow.... Speechless.
Except! Send me that saw and I'll run a review worth while!
+Mow's Lawn & Iron Haha- I need it!
An honest comparison would be great
Even 7 years later. I continue to hear good things about Echo. Lots of people still swear by Stihl and probably will. I plan on getting an Echo though.
great video idea. I might not be able to afford either at the moment but its valuable information to learn in the now. As opposed to making rash decisions later.
I have a GT-200R Echo trimmer I bawt in 06 it's 100% unmalested used every yr from spring till fall I don't abuse it. It shows plenty of wear. the original spark plug is still in it. Air cleaner + fuel lines,primer bulb still original. I found an identicle 1 in the trash last fall fixed it with Loctite Super Glue just recently sold it for $50. If I had to buy a new trimmer I'd certainly buy Echo with out a doubt.
Echo makes great trimmers (have 3) that are all poor at bucking logs, for which my Stihl saw is much better. My point is a good trimmer brand is not necessarily a good (or bad) saw brand.
I have been considering an Echo saw as well but have decided on another Stihl based on my experience and recommendation of a friend who was a Stihl repair tech.
This video comparison is worthless. I have no doubt both are great saws but the bar lengths need to be equal.
Not a fair comparison but I will say Echo has caught up to Stihl and is now starting to pass them up. The diehard Stihl guys refuse to believe it but it’s true.
Exactly even at the disadvantage of a bigger bar the echo smoked the stihl. Starting to pass? You mean blew by them. Echo is more dependable too
Paul Greening EXACTLY......WIN / WIN
The chains is obviously less sharp on the stihl. Not a legit comparison.
Turtleneck Rampage bs...the Stihl has a smaller bar and should of ran faster and it/Stijl STILL got smoked
Should I buy an echo?
I ran all Stihl for years, saws, blowers, & weed eaters until I picked up an Echo, I now have nothing but Echo.
I bought the echo 590 about a year and a half ago! I love mine so far! Made in Illinois USA ! So far it is awsome! I cannot compare to sthil This saw is a upgrade to my 30 some year old Jonshreds 450 that still has been indestructable! Time will tell
I use Stihl and Echo chainsaws they both do what their meant to do Echo cost less but don't last as long as Stihl. I like both brands and they are both far better than the cheep home use stuff. thanks for the video
I purchase old STIHL saws and rebuild them with Chinese Farmertec parts, it's become a self funding hobby. Echo and STIHL, cc for cc & bar length for bar length they should cut about the same. A shorter bar than the log will cut slower than a longer bar, because some chips get dragged around a second pass and these bog the saw down. I put a 42" bar on one of my MS660's to cut 30-40" logs and am amazed at how much better it cuts than the 30" bar I had previously. STIHL saws often need opening up to release there full potential, because of emission standards they often restrict the exhaust and thus lower the power.
That is very cool and good to know!
The Echo's seem to hold up well BUT, I'd not toss them about. Lots of plastic parts but Sthil has lots of plastic too. Fact is unless it's an accident I don't treat any saw rough. Years ago I dropped a tethered Poulan 2150. I'd accidentally cut the wrong limb so limb took saw with it. The Poulan hit on the nose of the bar, bounced in the air landed upright still idling. Replaced the bent bar finished the tree. Old plastic was tough. New plastic maybe with quality saws. Cheap stuff plastic looks like butter dish stuff.
Very good video . I'm using a Echo 6700 that I purchased used , and I am very happy with it's performance .
Awesome!
Could you please advise which is the best ripping chain to use on the Echo Timberwolf
The farmBoss is a homeowner type saw, plastic case and all. Let me be clear Stihl makes top of the line products!! However take into consideration the low and mid range models are often over priced for what they are. Sometimes you're paying more for the name and clever marketing, than the quality of the actual product. The same can be said for many Husqvarna saws as well. Echo on the other hand is trying to build the brand up, by producing quality at a more reasonable price. The issue Echo has is lack of supporting dealers.
When it comes down to it, these saw are only similar in price. The cs-590 is based on the pro models cs-600, cs-620 and cs-620pw, all of which have mag cases. Mag cased saws are normally more durable more powerful and lighter than the plastic clam shell designs. Right now the Echo cs-590 is without a doubt the most saw you can buy for the money today.
+bobe8888 This is the best and most accurate comment on here.I agree with every word!
+bobe8888 Home Depot is about the best dealer you could want to be in with. Echo is in all Home Depots and in AZ about every single landscaper runs them. Within the past few years I probably see Echo 10 to 1 vs Stihl with landscapers and tree trimming companies. Used to be all Id see was Stihl but lately theres been a huge shift to Echo..at least with landscape companies here in AZ
Great info😄👍
+Jerry Counts yes. Good info😄
+mojo jojo I changed to echo and love it.
Stihl for me, quality and easy starting! Also power and tork!
You only get quality and power with the Stihl pro saws not the MS290 in this vid. Time to figure out the difference in Stihl cheap saws and their pro saws. Stihls saws start way harder than Echo saws, I have both
You have no idea what you are talking about! Compare a pro saw to a non pro saw in any lineup and the others will always feel "cheap".
+Oliverm5sc A matter of Opinion. I have a 290 and 590, would take my 290 over the 590 any day. I've had that 290 for 13 years.
@@oliverm5sc
The 290 in this video is a farm saw. The echo is a pro saw.
If a Stihl starts hard, it's the fault of the owner or operator. My saws start up powerfully and consistently.
thank you!
+hollamby75 Glad you liked it!
Great video man! You do a great job on all your videos
This was a great comparison of an old, homeowner grade 56cc saw and a new pro grade 60cc saw. If you actually wanted it to be apples to apples you would have had a new ms362 to go against that echo.
lol. yea for 300 more
@@Rob-tl9md yeah , that's too much moolah.
We have ran Stihl for years - Saws / Weed Eaters / Blowers. The older Stihl was great. The new Stihl's we have had many problems not running good. We always run good premium gas No Ethanol. We bought an Echo saw a year ago Runs great! Bought the biggest Echo Weed Eater and that is a great machine.
Ii have the Echo0 PAS 225 weedeater, I also have the Echo 310 chainsaw. I have a Stihl ms250. Head up, the Echo Whooped the Stihl. Now the Stihl is a good saw, But the echo screams. Being the Echo has Shindawa DNA in its bones, i am not surprised its great equipment. I really like the PAS 225, It can rev up and destroy stuff, but it can also be feathered and has a nice throttle control that you can finesse around delicate stuff. The Stihl weedeaters i have used are balls out or idling. No real finesse in the Stihl weedeaters. They will last nearly forever, but a little jerky.
Nice comparison video
Thanks!
Got a
Timber 🐺
It's AWESOME
Well new chain on farm boss would make it far i have farm boss half that time with a 20in bar but its a new model i run same test 28 seconds so next run a far test thanks....
Both chains are throwing dust. Should be throwing chips if they were sharp
Very accurate and not surprising my ms260 is half the saw my Shindaiwa 591 is performance wise
I just purchased an Echo 501P. I wanted another 50cc saw, but didn't want auto-tune. I had been running Huskies, but everything up to the 372XP is now auto-tune, and they're now selling a 70cc auto-tune saw which I believe is going to eventually replace the 372XP. I think I've found my new orange saw as long as Echo keeps it simple and doesn't try to get fancy like the other two. My pocketbook also thanked me.
Great saw, tune it good and open up the muff a little, these saws gain a lot as they break in
I have been a echo technician for 10 years and all we do is get Stihl back never echo
Best comment in the video. And yes I’ve heard the same.
The nose of the bar had to grind through the log. Honestly think a right sized bar would have made the stihl run better. Also more teeth less wear. And I wonder longevity of the echo? Even a plastic knife will cut great once.
+Murphy Built Echo longevity is great. Here in AZ most all landscapers run Echo and Stihl equipment. Echo is every bit as good as Stihl
you been living under a rock? ECHO is a fuckin beast.
Ppl run echo cause it's cheaper. I've ran both and stihl seems better. Then again I wasn't restricted by cost. Even if you can make the argument that the quality is the same then you have to except they are using slave labor to keep cost down. Echo isn't doing this for free. They are making their money somewhere.
+Murphy Built yeah, like selling at box stores to make money, or maybe their profit margin isn't as high. Stihl Farms out to China and other countries for there slave labor.
+TheBigclow maybe some but I'm referring to supporting local shoppes local companies and locally made. Pick up a catalogue they mark which ones are USA made.
both are must-haves for the little ones!
Wonder what the compression is on your stihl?
The stihl saw was years old, and the Echo was new. Compression ain't the same on an old saw. Not saying the echo still wouldn't have more power, just that the test was flawed.
Stihls number 1 selling saw is the one in this vid the MS290 which is gutless, heavy, built cheap and has way over rated HP. Should tell you something about people wearing Stihl shorts.
oliverm5sc the ms250 is the top selling saw not the 290
devkam13 the 250 (45cc 3.0hp) is a homeowner saw that is more gutless than the 290(55cc 3.7hp) Stihl classifies it in the "farm and ranch" category. Don't waste your time on either if you are going to use a saw for any extended period. Get a pro saw 241, 261, 362 in the end you will have a saw that will last most homeowners / firewood burners a lifetime and if you were to sell,if properly maintained would retain the majority of it's original value....
My buddy just purchased a MS 362 with an 18 inch bar for a tad bit under 800 bucks. I have an Echo CS590 with a 20 inch bar, now I’ve had this Echo for 3 years, I am running right there beside his 800 dollar saw. Stihl is alright but for almost 500 dollars less Echo is your saw. I also own a smaller stihl and husqvarna. I just like the power of the Echo.
I bought a little Echo saw couple years ago. My lawn service hardly ever uses a saw, but has to have one so I couldn't see spending the $600 for a Stihl when the Echo saw was much cheaper. Didn't like $50 for the case but gotta have a case for a saw. I like the Echo saw just fine. For everyday tools like trimmers and blowers its always Stihl. The Echo stuff I have seems fine, especially when cost is considered for those tools I don't use everyday.
This video took some time to prep and film. I appreciate it.
Thanks Caleb!
worth noting that the Echo has a 5 year warranty while Stihl only has a year
True!
Echo has a 5 year warranty with a life time on the module. Stihl has a 2 year if you purchase a 6 pack of the ultra 2 stroke oil. Otherwise just a 1 year.
Echo also has 1 year for commercial use while Stihl has 90 days
yeah...and my experience has been bringing the Stihl back within that year...and having 2 Echos that have ran flawlessly for 10.
Did I mention that I am a certified echo technician? I'm also a highly qualified tree care professional that uses professional grade saws every day. I like where echo is going, but I've done my own comparisons. Putting the echo version of a professional saw against a non-professional grade saw is bad enough, but then choosing the biggest turd a company has ever made, just makes you look bad.
I've never heard of being echo certified
Really? lol wow
I have started the saw, and just let it idle for about 20 minutes. It got pretty hot, but it was easy to start. I think it was 4 or 5 pulls. I started it again today and did the same thing and it ran cooler. I think the chain tension was tight.
It could have been.
When I went looking for a 14" chainsaw, I read tree arborist's websites. They nearly ALL said Echo. I have used and over used my Echo 310 for 7 years now. SuweeeeeT saw! I will be looking for a Timberwolf. 5 year homeowner warranty!
Get yourself a CS400, muff modd and tune then they rip and are light. Nothing wrong with the CS590 either but it's a heavier than a CS400
At my fire department we only run stihl except for one echo saw. (Just ran them last night). Personally we prefer stihl. Overall better quality, easy maintenance, and we can store them and not use them for a while and my worry about it. The echo is ok but overall we prefer stihl. Only thing our echo is used for is cutting roofs cause it has the angled bar
Good to know. Thanks😄👍
i use to work with echo 400, after many reviews of 590 lord of wolves i just bougth it and WOW, definetely i prefer echo over the shitty stilh. Echo #1. is my everyday tool on my tree removal company.
After working with a tree service for years that runs both echo and stihl saws. They perform about the same when supplied with the same bar and chains. I've found that the stihls always start easier, but I mean by a pull compared to 2 or 3, and run a little better in the cold. The echo chain retention system seems to get loose very quickly compared to stihl. Neither saw has let us down yet though.
its not the chain tensioning system that lets the chain get loose as the bar nuts hold the bar tight to the saw body. Its the chains getting hot and expanding or the links are wearing from either dirt or not enough chain oil flow
@@stevespeak6789 either way my echos loosen up before the stihls
i have a echo 750 evl, made in 79 i think. for 25 bucks it runs great, and a lot of power. not a lot of speed, but it will out last me.
the best saw is the one you got and does the job.
Both saws are their homeowner farm saws. The prices are about the same. The stihl is a plastic clamshell. The echo is a magnesium case. Echo is a better built saw and will make more power and outlast the 290. The timber wolf will spank the rancher 455 and 460 also. Those are also plastic clamshell motors. May want to mention to guy in video he holds the saw totally wrong. Right hand is to be on rear of the handle. This guy looked awkward and unsafe.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
I think my ryobi cheap saw cuts almost as good as the stihl
I have a echo weed trimmer for the lawn and it's awesome! Probably 14 years old! Never any issues! However I have two stihl saws, a MS390, and MS290. They are great saws. I did compare my 390 to a neighbors comparable echo. (Not sure on the model) however my stihl ate the echos lunch! But they are both great saws!
I know a Stihl is tough. I saw my brother throw one about 30 feet one time because he was so mad at it and nothing broke when it hit the ground. I have a 35 year old Echo with a 20 inch bar on it and quite possibly the same spark plug and has out cut many newer saws. People are amazed at how fast it cuts.
30 feet is a pretty good throw for a saw that weighs a ton.
Been a fan of Echo products for years! Thanks for showcasing the difference.
You're welcome, thanks for watching !
cool to see another echo fan they love guys like you ands me at tree talk i just joined it great place.just cant swear in there i got warned alreasdy haha they respect my echo casue they know 5 year warranty means 5 year warranty hah this video needs same bars, no good comparison but yeah echo dont break
Not even close to a fair comparison. The Stihl would likely have cut faster with a longer bar. Anytime the nose of the bar is buried in the wood it works the saw much harder. Power should be close on these two saws. The 590 is a de-tuned and downgraded version of the 600P. Great saw for the money.
also the way he ran the stihl made it take longer. if he would have made the initial top cut wider to slot the whole log,then dug the felling dogs in and rocked the saw through versus holding the saw he would have gotten through it faster and quicker. honestly that's a better job for a 271 farm boss anyway they are made to handle the work and high revs better than a 290
Totally agree, the short bar on the sthil has no time to clean out vs the echo is protruding thru the log a good 3 inches
@@michaelmagness1208
Also, they're comparing a pro saw to a farm saw. The farm saw is purposely dumbed down so it lasts longer and runs at a much lower rpm
You’d think if they took it in and had a new bar and chain on the stihl..they would have put the same length of bar as the echo...anyone can make any saw look better than the other if they want...they think everyone is stupid..
Thanks for doing the comparison Stanley. Stay safe!
Thanks Tim!
@@Dirtmonkey
Yes.... Thanks for not telling the truth, Stanley. How about that comparison to the MS 261 CM?
I just ran my 290 today it's 9 yrs old and came with a 20 In bar. I love it. Very rarely bogs, yours didn't seem like it revved as High as mine does tho. I have a small echo saw for limbing it works well also but for a bigger saws, I'll stick to my 290 and 441. Would be nice to see a timed cut with a 20in on the stihl. Good job tho.
+Meadow View Lawn Care LLC Yeah I needed a 20 inch bar to match it more evenly.
Been a hardcore Stihl chainsaw guy for decades... I've had 'em all and I just recently tried a buddy's Echo and was completely impressed. Still gonna stick with my Stihl but I wouldn't hesitate recommending an Echo to anyone...
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Love my Echo 590. I father builds saws for a living now after retiring. He ported, polished, and punched the 590 he sold me and it is a beast! He said he prefers the Echo over any saw out there when it comes to working on them. I cleared off 1.5 acres with the 590 and while my father-in-law used his Stihl 261. The 590 out performed the 261 hands down. Like I said though, my 590 has been modified. It was fun watching my father-in-law stand back and just laugh in amazement at what the 590 would do.
I have used and worked on both brands, I would choose stihl over echo for a chainsaw and all of my other equipment is echo from trimmers to blowers but my personal saws are always Husqvarna!
+Murphy Small Engines On any brand out there- what is your favorite?
What's the purpose of the propane torch?