One thing that need to be stated for these reflections on the BMPCC4K is that thay've also implemented gyro image stabilization years after it's release. You can use them whenever you edit them using Davinci Resolve. I think people forgot about this addition, or straight up didn't know it, and that includes me.
The only thing that is very deceiving about this beautiful camera is that many smaller & less expensive stabilization devices don’t fit the football shape which unfortunately means you are stuck with more expensive stabilization devices such as rs3 pro & ronin 2. But, even given that, I will always recommend this as a must for starting cinematographers!
That depends. A camera cage with an offset mounting point could help. 3D printing a custom mounting plate is also an option. It takes a little effort, but it's possible.
Another thing is adding extra gadgets to it. Separate side handle to give it better grip will make it even wider. And for rear-mount battery you need to add rods and v-mount plate. Which will obstruct the display. A box shape or sony fx6 style body with rear battery and separate display with BM menus and codec would be dream camera for me. Ursa is bit too large and heavy for lot of people
Still my main A camera. An incredible image, plenty of features, and very ergonomic for filmmaking. It seems like it’s not, but it just has a learning curve on how to rig up. For cinema, this is perfect, working with teams usually requires a built out rig - this is pretty amazing for that, especially with all the outlets. Last but not least, BRAW! Shooting raw to an SD card is amazing, but you can also go bigger with a hard drive. It’s not perfect, but it’s the BEST camera on the market to teach you how to be a Director of Photography.
What a great re-review of a camera classic, thanks for that! BUTTTT man, those (hot) sparks flying onto the unprotected front glass element of the Sigma 18-35 made me scream unwillingly! I hope there are no deep bumps melted into the glass now... 😵🙃
It’s a real shame that blackmagic design never gave the m4/3 pocket cinema camera the ‘pro’ treatment that they did for the EF version. (Electronic ND, eye piece, articulating 1000nts screen)
Ya I have "upgraded" to several other cameras... Kept the bmpcc 4k cause its so cheap. I swear it still looks better in a lot of way than all my newer cameras.
Despite the flaws there's still nothing to compete with the BMPCC4K. I'd love to see an updated version with better battery life, ND filters, and ability to mount the accessory EVF. In other words, take the best features of the 6K but keep the MFT mount and smaller form factor.
I love blackmagic but almost every mirrorless can produce the same if not better image with AF and a FF sensor. Blackmagic is losing its grip on the camera market. Hopefully they innovate something new.
@@emiledhaene1297 ZCAM requires you build it up into a rig with external monitor, storage, etc. . BMPCC4K has everything in the one form factor, including BRAW internal recording to CFAST and an excellent touch interface. The usability couldn't be more different!
@@RobinParmar just mount your phone. ZCAM has ZRAW and internal CFAST too. Good to know you’re poorly informed though. ZCAM has a usable battery life too, so it’s really in another league of usability altogether, you’re right.
@@emiledhaene1297 I can see you are one of those people who views every discussion as a competition and who must be right despite the evidence. "Just mount your phone" is in fact an admission that the ZCAM is not self-contained. Besides this, I am surprised that you carry a phone the size of the BMPCC4K screen. I surely don't. The ZCAM also benefits from a rig, so that it's possible to hold it without cramping. Admittedly I am less informed about the internal recording formats, since this type of body does not suit my goals. But when I last checked, Blackmagic had all other cameras in the price range beaten on that score. I do enjoy the smooth BRAW workflow in Resolve. It's not the only solution, but I would view most alternatives as a downgrade. Brand fandom has no place in creative and professional practice. I've been looking at Sony, Fuji, and Panasonic cameras as a way of solving some of its annoying problems of the BMPCC4K (battery life, no EVF, no tilt screen). Meanwhile, this informative video is right on the money.
recently bought a second one. Nothing beats this little monster. Look at how popular their original 1080p bmpcc still is after 10 years. They dont go out of fashion.
I own a 4K and recently bought a FX30. I can't say I regret the decision because, you know, autofocus and size, but I'm finding I enjoy more shooting on the BM with a loupe. The menu system, screen and lack of flexibility of the footage of the Sony are hard to get used to after being spoiled by Blackmagic.
I remember researching cameras because I was getting tired of my Sony. My decision was between this and the gh5. I ended up going with the gh5 for the ibis and it’s features. I am thinking about picking this up since they’re cheap and would make a great addition to my current setup.
I actually bought the 6K Pro and decided to return it. The extra features were nice, but the mount is less adaptable, the file sizes are bigger even though I only need 4K, and I actually really liked being able to shoot at 75p on the 4K. I got my 4K used for $900 and in the end I just couldn’t justify triple the price for convenient NDs and a flip screen as a hobbyist
If the free version of Resolve is still limited to 8bit footage, it is more like a version to learn how to use it with footage from smartphones or other sources but it's completely missing the point when using a camera like the 4k, a FX30, FX3, A7S-III, GH5, GH6 or anything else with a bit more of quality.
I absolutely love my Pocket 4k. The big selling point for me was it was a cinema camera, not a stills camera that shoots video. Fantastic. I now can grab images I could only dream of as a kid. Such a great buy.
I got mine two months after turning 16, now I'm 19, it's been just over three years since I bought it, and there's never been a camera that has been tempting to replace it that I could actually afford.
Unpopular opinion, but I have a sigma fp and it’s hands down my fave, and I had a 6k pro. The image is UNREAL out of it in 4k 12bit uncompressed raw. Way cleaner than the 6k, full frame and incredible colors. Drawbacks are micro hdmi and not the best highlight latitude but if you keep that in mind it’s a beast
Well, even the original fp cost twice as much as the BMPCC4K. The Achilles heel is the lack of modes when recording internally. Nothing beats the Blackmagic BRAW pipeline.
I guess depends what country you’re buying it in? Right now fp is 1900 on BH and the 4k is 1300. Which is weird because the fp was 1500 for a long time they just recently raised prices quite a bit.
@@RobinParmar yes it definitley has its drawbacks, but you can use slim raw to get the most out of the CDNG with 1/3 the file size. Image quality alone, blows the 4k out of the water. But the pocket series certainly have more practical features
@@Artfulscience1 4K is enough for most purposes, especially given the pipeline required to support larger files. I am wary of any claim that uses phrases like "blows X out of the water". We can perhaps agree that we are now spoilt for choice! I was hoping for more from the fp and initially considered buying it for my own use. I have no special loyalty to Blackmagic, but have standardised on their tools for our department, for practical reasons. As mentioned in the video, they are perfect for education!
@@RobinParmar ya it’s not so much the 4k as much as it is the 12bit CDNG, it has enormous color depth that allows are a lot of color grading. Beautiful image. But yes for things like education, multicam broadcast it’s extremely useful. Here’s a short piece I shot with it czcams.com/video/f1_QrKoxSA0/video.html
The Pockets are fantastic. I have two 4Ks, one 6K and one 6K Pro. These cameras run a lot. I had never any issues with one of them. If you have a live recording or a livestream setup they are very useful and the picture is still up to date.
Im also a proud owner of this camera. As a hobby-filmmaker there is nothing more that I could ask for. Once I shall make higher end movies, then I will either rent high end cinema cameras or I will work with bigger crews. But for indie filmakers it is more than perfect.
Coming back here after the Fuji X-S20 announcement. While they are marketing it as a "content creator" camera, the specs are quite robust for the price. Would love to see a CVP review and comparison to the Pocket 4k and maybe FX30
Loved using my pocket 4k before i got my a7siii. Served its purpose so well for me in that era of cameras. Still prefer the color and overall look you get right out of camera with the pocket over the new sony. Great video!!
I had the BMPCC4K. It was, and is, still a fantastic camera for its price point. But, as a low budget/indie filmmaker, the ability to shoot run and gun with minimal set up, having reliable autofocus is important. But, this can be "fixed". If I were to add a Lidar system to the P4K, I might be able to make up for the lack of built in autofocus. In the meantime, I have chosen to film with the Sony FX30. I think Blackmagic Design would have a massive boost in sales if they developed a camera with AF. That being said, I do miss the ease of use of BRAW. As far as the sensor size goes, I think that area of filmmaking is way overblown than is warranted.
Yea but me personally if they added a built in autofocus, they'd be much more expensive, also they are cinema camera so even ARRI don't even have autofocus and they have a camera assistant to do it for them
I've used that one but I sold it, I mainly do music videos, but the 6k just letting me use only 50FPS which is not enough for me. Yes there's a 60/120 FPS on the other resolutions but the resolution gets cropped so it's kinda eh for me and it's eating my storage way too fast because it produces a lil bit more to 4k
I have the 6k pro and happy but actually considering a couple of bmpcc4k’s as b cams for multi cam shoots… …even 2023…. Either that or the red raptor with its GS 😂
I do believe a majority of buyers (maybe still owners) of this camera are of the failed filmmaker fallacy type. And I say that from my own experience as well as being really active on a BMD community Discord. People fall in love with the image quality and see a bunch of CZcams videos, and also learn that it's do much better than anything else they can afford. They pick up the camera and do some test shots, have fun in resolve and maybe even upload a "cinematic video" of any kind. (we used to call it girlfriend in the woods, as several newcomers did this on the Discord) Then they notice the issues and learn about possible solutions. Some do rig up their cameras with more gear and get nice lenses. Maybe even a gimbal. Very few people get an actually useable tripod and rely on something flimsy like a manfrotto be free or some photo tripod. (Some even pick up an audio solution) And it all boils down to them not doing any filmmaking because they lack the contacts or friends willing to have some fun. And so it turns into talking about gear and not actually doing any filmmaking. Maybe selling your camera in the end. Picking up a Sony or Panasonic instead because it's easier to use for video. Or doing stills because you can do that on your own, and the turn around is quicker. Very much a self reflection of myself, although an earlier product.
I actually hold different point being someone who used fujifilm xt4 and now using a rigged up s1h with bmd vs5 12g and a red komodo. Even though there are groups of people who follow the path you described, they no longer do any "filmmaking" becasue they lack the love and passion, not only becasue it is hard for them to find a team or opportunity. There are thousands of small studios, indie filmmmakers, and students who are passionate about filmmaking, and they all get tripped and misguided by "hybrid cameras" that not only won't teach them something other than gimble filmmaking(hand held/ team production) but also won't allow them to learn and grow with professional knowledge(shutter angle, false color, external recording, time code, etc.) To be honest, professional filmmakers won't talke about their production regularly, either they don't have time to do so or it is so much of a work to share their full production process expecting for no returns, almost sonds like giving away free knowledge. Besides their production, the onlything they can talk with short cost and time is their experience with gears as well as a vlog sharing their life and experience as filmmmakers. Even it is hard to find teams for larger production, you can still do something, like a short commercial for local business, a cinematic travel mini doc, or doc series about people and life around you, that's what i do when i want to have fun, and they are not about the amount and complexity of tools. Tools are not challenges and difficulties, in fact, as long as you understand the stength and power of different tools, as long as you understand your way of filmmaking after trying different combinations, as long as you truly have the passion, as long as you truly want to make something from your heart, you discovered that these are tools to help you, not simplye allow you create better image, not simply taught you industry experience from practicies, as well as giving you flexibility and power to create your own film (e.g. v mount powered system allowed me to shoot in hours instead of switch the flimsy camera battery)
I don't know why people beat up BM for not having autofocus. If they spent a few hours playing with the manual focus, they would realize it's not complicated to pull focus, especially if you use the focus assist feature.
They forget that it's a cinema camera. The Alexa doesn't have autofocus either . The price point opens it up to those who aren't use to that type of work flow or system.
Yea, that one too, like you bought a cinema camera and you expect it to have an autofocus, little did they know that big film production they have a camera assisstant to manually focus for them, but either way if you're a solo you still can do it, lmao.
i think if blackmagic could add a good EIS and a simple autofocus to their cameras, they will truly be incredible cameras for the price, and could start competing with canons mirrorless cameras
@@verebellus if you want to maintain the 180 degree rule and use filters, especially NDs and CPL, you want to avoid EIS. You want Lens-IS, IBIS and/or post-gyro stabilisation.
I have an odd question. There is a movie made in 1992 called Split Second. It was filmed on a Panavision camera. I am trying to figure out how to make a movie look identical to the way that movie looked today in an affordable manner. I don't mind buying an old camera to do it, but I can't obviously buy a Panavision camera, since they aren't for sale. How would you go about it?
Listen. I will tell you how to get that look. First of all it is not the panavision camera that made the look. It was the filmstock and the lens that made the look. Well the filmstock you can emulate with a lut, so that is the easy part. The lenses are more important. I would guess you get quite a similar look with canon FD lenses. And then there is the on-set lighting. Study the movie good to see the light sources and try to recreate it with your own set up. En last but not least, I watched shots from the movie and saw they made use of these typical 80's myst filters that give a sort of aura glow. You can buy screw on myst filters and get the similar look, or you go for the cheap and just pull a pantyhose over your lense. Hope this is somewhat helpfull
@@Pietje_Piraat I really appreciate you taking the time to respond. This has been an ongoing problem trying to figure this out. I was so confused as to where to begin. This gives me a way forward, thank you. 🙏
Great videos! I have a question on your setup: how can you record a video like this with your setup and those big windows at your back? Aren’t you getting trouble with iso and sun changing intensity? I’m desperate (similar situation and don’t know how to do) thanks
Blackmagic completely screwed over this camera by not leaving CinemaDNG as a recording format. It can produce a much sharper and colorful image with DNG taking full advantage of the sensor.
Unfortunately cdng of sigma give you less linear workflow in color chain, problem in color profiling when you work in aces environment and more about lenses choose. high space wasted from uncompressed cdng that today is a not necessary (I started to shoot with first Blackmagic Design 2.5k and 4K in cdng). I bought it and sold after few months be cause was more a photo cam than a cinema cam.
@@carlomacchiavello I think differently. We are talking about cinema cameras. Image quality is the priority. Hence, the workflow of a Sigma FP or an Blackmagic is not that different from a Red or an Arri. That's why uncompressed Raw is preferred in the cinema world. If workflow is the priority, the discussion wanders away from cinema cameras.
The image out of the pocket 4k can record in a 12 bit log raw which translates to 16 bit per channel color depth in post, has far better falloff, color, dynamic rage, and holds up to some pretty extreme grading without falling apart. If one can get everything looking correct, in camera, then the A7S II can produce some great imagery with it's 8 bit 4:2:0 XAVC format, but it isn't close to as flexible for a full cinematic production as BRAW. Particularly if one is trying to achieve a specific look on a budget.
@@billyoung9538 To add to you point: The last time I checked the Sony range had no false colour and no shutter angle setting. It remains a still camera with some extras, not a cinema camera.
@@billyoung9538 ngl if I shoot a music video on bmppc4k and someone asked me what camera I shoot it with and i told them it was shot on R3D they'd believe it, deadass.
Why are you guys rewriting history. Red first threaten to sue anyone including internal raw recording in their cameras, and then went on a lawsuit filing spree for anyone shooting "raw" internally who didn't pay them a license fee. This is why Cinema DNG was removed, not because it was harder to work with. Red literally just sued Nikon over this issue.
We say "In 2019 Blackmagic released their own RAW codec while also removing CinemaDNG from the camera. Some people loved this update, others hated it. Personally, I think for the market that this camera is aimed at, BRAW makes much more sense." How is that us rewriting history? We didn't say the reason it was removed like you say we did.
@@CVPTV Splitting hairs there, "Personally, I think for the market that this camera is aimed at, BRAW makes much more sense. That implies that for a specific market segment BRAW is a better tool, and in essence that is why BMD implemented it. You are implying that Braw and market segment are correlated and is the reason for the switch. The full context of dropping CDNG is that Red sues everyone who has internal raw recording. You are admitting to sidestepping the fact, but you don't see the implication of speaking about the switch from CDNG to BRAW in the context of workflow and market segment, implies that workflow and market segment are the reasons for the switch.
recently bought a second one. Nothing beats this little monster. Look at how popular their original 1080p bmpcc still is after 10 years. They dont go out of fashion.
I hope they come out with a box shaped s35 one day! Ill buy that in a heartbeat
PREACH!
One thing that need to be stated for these reflections on the BMPCC4K is that thay've also implemented gyro image stabilization years after it's release. You can use them whenever you edit them using Davinci Resolve. I think people forgot about this addition, or straight up didn't know it, and that includes me.
Never knew about that. Thanks! Gonna do some reading up on this
This feature has saved me a lot in the past months
The only thing that is very deceiving about this beautiful camera is that many smaller & less expensive stabilization devices don’t fit the football shape which unfortunately means you are stuck with more expensive stabilization devices such as rs3 pro & ronin 2. But, even given that, I will always recommend this as a must for starting cinematographers!
That depends. A camera cage with an offset mounting point could help. 3D printing a custom mounting plate is also an option. It takes a little effort, but it's possible.
Another thing is adding extra gadgets to it. Separate side handle to give it better grip will make it even wider.
And for rear-mount battery you need to add rods and v-mount plate. Which will obstruct the display.
A box shape or sony fx6 style body with rear battery and separate display with BM menus and codec would be dream camera for me.
Ursa is bit too large and heavy for lot of people
I agree. But I got the rs3 ;-)
and I couldnt be happier with the combo...
I mean.. there's never an end all solve all, so yea; minor setup backup to save money/spend in other areas; like an rs3 which is solid :)
Bro I literally use it with Ronin S, no counterweights, with Sigma 18-35 and Canon 50 1.4, with SSD and Tilta Nucleus followfocus
Still my main A camera. An incredible image, plenty of features, and very ergonomic for filmmaking. It seems like it’s not, but it just has a learning curve on how to rig up. For cinema, this is perfect, working with teams usually requires a built out rig - this is pretty amazing for that, especially with all the outlets. Last but not least, BRAW! Shooting raw to an SD card is amazing, but you can also go bigger with a hard drive. It’s not perfect, but it’s the BEST camera on the market to teach you how to be a Director of Photography.
I think, it is still the best camera in 2023, great video, keep it up!
What a great re-review of a camera classic, thanks for that! BUTTTT man, those (hot) sparks flying onto the unprotected front glass element of the Sigma 18-35 made me scream unwillingly! I hope there are no deep bumps melted into the glass now... 😵🙃
It made me cringe when I saw it too 🤢 Jake
rip the coating
Absolutely love this camera. Shot a feature on it last year, and it performed like a champ.
Absolutely a capable camera. Shot 3 features using this camera along with my 6k.
BM makes really good cameras and BRAW is pleasure to work with, but I'd love to see FF from BM
Same
This camera is great! This summer we will shoot a feature with it and Arriflex Distagon lenses as an b cam.
It’s a real shame that blackmagic design never gave the m4/3 pocket cinema camera the ‘pro’ treatment that they did for the EF version. (Electronic ND, eye piece, articulating 1000nts screen)
Fully agree.
I sold if for a FX6, but looking back at earlier productions I still sometimes prefer the image of the BMPCC4K
Ya I have "upgraded" to several other cameras... Kept the bmpcc 4k cause its so cheap. I swear it still looks better in a lot of way than all my newer cameras.
Despite the flaws there's still nothing to compete with the BMPCC4K. I'd love to see an updated version with better battery life, ND filters, and ability to mount the accessory EVF. In other words, take the best features of the 6K but keep the MFT mount and smaller form factor.
I love blackmagic but almost every mirrorless can produce the same if not better image with AF and a FF sensor. Blackmagic is losing its grip on the camera market. Hopefully they innovate something new.
The ZCAM is quite comparable in most regards and very similarly priced
@@emiledhaene1297 ZCAM requires you build it up into a rig with external monitor, storage, etc. . BMPCC4K has everything in the one form factor, including BRAW internal recording to CFAST and an excellent touch interface. The usability couldn't be more different!
@@RobinParmar just mount your phone. ZCAM has ZRAW and internal CFAST too. Good to know you’re poorly informed though. ZCAM has a usable battery life too, so it’s really in another league of usability altogether, you’re right.
@@emiledhaene1297 I can see you are one of those people who views every discussion as a competition and who must be right despite the evidence. "Just mount your phone" is in fact an admission that the ZCAM is not self-contained. Besides this, I am surprised that you carry a phone the size of the BMPCC4K screen. I surely don't.
The ZCAM also benefits from a rig, so that it's possible to hold it without cramping. Admittedly I am less informed about the internal recording formats, since this type of body does not suit my goals. But when I last checked, Blackmagic had all other cameras in the price range beaten on that score. I do enjoy the smooth BRAW workflow in Resolve. It's not the only solution, but I would view most alternatives as a downgrade.
Brand fandom has no place in creative and professional practice. I've been looking at Sony, Fuji, and Panasonic cameras as a way of solving some of its annoying problems of the BMPCC4K (battery life, no EVF, no tilt screen). Meanwhile, this informative video is right on the money.
recently bought a second one.
Nothing beats this little monster.
Look at how popular their original 1080p bmpcc still is after 10 years.
They dont go out of fashion.
The camera that started it all for me and my career! Endlessly thankful for the BMPCC4K 🙏
This camera was used in many documentaries in my country.
I own a 4K and recently bought a FX30. I can't say I regret the decision because, you know, autofocus and size, but I'm finding I enjoy more shooting on the BM with a loupe. The menu system, screen and lack of flexibility of the footage of the Sony are hard to get used to after being spoiled by Blackmagic.
I remember researching cameras because I was getting tired of my Sony. My decision was between this and the gh5. I ended up going with the gh5 for the ibis and it’s features. I am thinking about picking this up since they’re cheap and would make a great addition to my current setup.
I had the GH5 until some crazy smashed it. Bought the BMPCC4K after. GH5 looked like video, 4K looked like cinema.
Same. But I had the Panasonic G7 at the time and my upgrade choices were Sony a7iii, GH5, & BMPCC4K. Haven’t regretted going BlackMagic since.
I actually bought the 6K Pro and decided to return it. The extra features were nice, but the mount is less adaptable, the file sizes are bigger even though I only need 4K, and I actually really liked being able to shoot at 75p on the 4K. I got my 4K used for $900 and in the end I just couldn’t justify triple the price for convenient NDs and a flip screen as a hobbyist
I really did love this camera.
If the free version of Resolve is still limited to 8bit footage, it is more like a version to learn how to use it with footage from smartphones or other sources but it's completely missing the point when using a camera like the 4k, a FX30, FX3, A7S-III, GH5, GH6 or anything else with a bit more of quality.
I am so glad you made an update to this! I own this camera and it’s hands down one of the best shooters for beginners and professionals
I absolutely love my Pocket 4k. The big selling point for me was it was a cinema camera, not a stills camera that shoots video. Fantastic. I now can grab images I could only dream of as a kid. Such a great buy.
I got mine two months after turning 16, now I'm 19, it's been just over three years since I bought it, and there's never been a camera that has been tempting to replace it that I could actually afford.
I've been loving mine, it's the dream camera for the kind of stuff that I do. Plus, coming from Panasonic, I was able to keep all of my lenses
Best image felling and colors ever. I have a FX30 and the color are not so good, but is a asome camera
I’ve just picked up a used Bmpcc4k. I absolutely love your video! Just wish I had the cash for some mft mount Cooke lenses.
i have the 6k pro and i love the image so much, and braw is my favorite aquisition file by far
Unpopular opinion, but I have a sigma fp and it’s hands down my fave, and I had a 6k pro. The image is UNREAL out of it in 4k 12bit uncompressed raw. Way cleaner than the 6k, full frame and incredible colors. Drawbacks are micro hdmi and not the best highlight latitude but if you keep that in mind it’s a beast
Well, even the original fp cost twice as much as the BMPCC4K. The Achilles heel is the lack of modes when recording internally. Nothing beats the Blackmagic BRAW pipeline.
I guess depends what country you’re buying it in? Right now fp is 1900 on BH and the 4k is 1300. Which is weird because the fp was 1500 for a long time they just recently raised prices quite a bit.
@@RobinParmar yes it definitley has its drawbacks, but you can use slim raw to get the most out of the CDNG with 1/3 the file size. Image quality alone, blows the 4k out of the water. But the pocket series certainly have more practical features
@@Artfulscience1 4K is enough for most purposes, especially given the pipeline required to support larger files. I am wary of any claim that uses phrases like "blows X out of the water". We can perhaps agree that we are now spoilt for choice!
I was hoping for more from the fp and initially considered buying it for my own use. I have no special loyalty to Blackmagic, but have standardised on their tools for our department, for practical reasons. As mentioned in the video, they are perfect for education!
@@RobinParmar ya it’s not so much the 4k as much as it is the 12bit CDNG, it has enormous color depth that allows are a lot of color grading. Beautiful image. But yes for things like education, multicam broadcast it’s extremely useful. Here’s a short piece I shot with it
czcams.com/video/f1_QrKoxSA0/video.html
I've been making a living with the camera for 5 years and have no plans on switching to anything else.
im so in love with this camera
It's been my main camera since 2021 and I love it! Great video man! Cheers from Brazil!
The Pockets are fantastic. I have two 4Ks, one 6K and one 6K Pro. These cameras run a lot. I had never any issues with one of them. If you have a live recording or a livestream setup they are very useful and the picture is still up to date.
I have the FX6 and FX3, but prefer shooting BRAW on my Bmpcc4k with Metabones cine adapter.
Im also a proud owner of this camera. As a hobby-filmmaker there is nothing more that I could ask for.
Once I shall make higher end movies, then I will either rent high end cinema cameras or I will work with bigger crews.
But for indie filmakers it is more than perfect.
Great video... just wondering, at 06:52 it doesn't look there's any sort of protective filter on the lens - didn't those sparks damage the lens? 😲
how to trash your lens in 10 seconds
Coming back here after the Fuji X-S20 announcement. While they are marketing it as a "content creator" camera, the specs are quite robust for the price. Would love to see a CVP review and comparison to the Pocket 4k and maybe FX30
Yeah. Still have mine. It’s my workhorse for documentary work.
Best low budget for sure.
I have one - its amazing and produces beautiful images. Best camera I've ever owned.
I love mine, but I wish the HDMI out was 4K. If it had an SDI out, like the old Cine Camera, it would be perfect for me.
Loved using my pocket 4k before i got my a7siii. Served its purpose so well for me in that era of cameras. Still prefer the color and overall look you get right out of camera with the pocket over the new sony. Great video!!
My pocket 4k is the best studio workhorse you could ever buy. At $800 used it’s hard to beat.
Where do you find it at that price? Lowest price I've seen is around 1000$ Regardless of that you're so right.
Yeah where im looking too
informative video the useful camera 'tool' Thanks CVP.
I had the BMPCC4K. It was, and is, still a fantastic camera for its price point. But, as a low budget/indie filmmaker, the ability to shoot run and gun with minimal set up, having reliable autofocus is important. But, this can be "fixed". If I were to add a Lidar system to the P4K, I might be able to make up for the lack of built in autofocus. In the meantime, I have chosen to film with the Sony FX30. I think Blackmagic Design would have a massive boost in sales if they developed a camera with AF. That being said, I do miss the ease of use of BRAW. As far as the sensor size goes, I think that area of filmmaking is way overblown than is warranted.
Yea but me personally if they added a built in autofocus, they'd be much more expensive, also they are cinema camera so even ARRI don't even have autofocus and they have a camera assistant to do it for them
As a filmmaker myself, I rely on having a good AC for focus. I have 2 of these in my kit and the ability to shoot BRAW is icing on the cake.
@@darkcarbonproductions8881 exactly!
@@darkcarbonproductions8881what’s AC
Micro 4/3 mount, 4/3 sensor. Great camera also today.
I have the original 6k and it's still a beast
I've used that one but I sold it, I mainly do music videos, but the 6k just letting me use only 50FPS which is not enough for me. Yes there's a 60/120 FPS on the other resolutions but the resolution gets cropped so it's kinda eh for me and it's eating my storage way too fast because it produces a lil bit more to 4k
@@donndior1536 the 6k shoots at 60p at 6144 x 2560
I wish they would update this body like they have with the 6k.
I miss my p4k with voigtlander lenses and 16mm lenses. It’s still an incredibly solid camera.
Excellent video! Thank you!
i love my BMPCC4k :)
Blackmagic need to launch a updated pocket 4k.
Smaller, with better battery life.
Really intrigued to see what they do next! Jake
and box shape or fx6 shape
And with autofocus/stabilization 😊
I have the 6k pro and happy but actually considering a couple of bmpcc4k’s as b cams for multi cam shoots…
…even 2023…. Either that or the red raptor with its GS 😂
I have the 6k and two 4K I love my Black Magic cameras❤️🔥
I do believe a majority of buyers (maybe still owners) of this camera are of the failed filmmaker fallacy type.
And I say that from my own experience as well as being really active on a BMD community Discord.
People fall in love with the image quality and see a bunch of CZcams videos, and also learn that it's do much better than anything else they can afford. They pick up the camera and do some test shots, have fun in resolve and maybe even upload a "cinematic video" of any kind. (we used to call it girlfriend in the woods, as several newcomers did this on the Discord)
Then they notice the issues and learn about possible solutions. Some do rig up their cameras with more gear and get nice lenses. Maybe even a gimbal. Very few people get an actually useable tripod and rely on something flimsy like a manfrotto be free or some photo tripod. (Some even pick up an audio solution)
And it all boils down to them not doing any filmmaking because they lack the contacts or friends willing to have some fun. And so it turns into talking about gear and not actually doing any filmmaking. Maybe selling your camera in the end. Picking up a Sony or Panasonic instead because it's easier to use for video. Or doing stills because you can do that on your own, and the turn around is quicker.
Very much a self reflection of myself, although an earlier product.
I actually hold different point being someone who used fujifilm xt4 and now using a rigged up s1h with bmd vs5 12g and a red komodo. Even though there are groups of people who follow the path you described, they no longer do any "filmmaking" becasue they lack the love and passion, not only becasue it is hard for them to find a team or opportunity. There are thousands of small studios, indie filmmmakers, and students who are passionate about filmmaking, and they all get tripped and misguided by "hybrid cameras" that not only won't teach them something other than gimble filmmaking(hand held/ team production) but also won't allow them to learn and grow with professional knowledge(shutter angle, false color, external recording, time code, etc.) To be honest, professional filmmakers won't talke about their production regularly, either they don't have time to do so or it is so much of a work to share their full production process expecting for no returns, almost sonds like giving away free knowledge. Besides their production, the onlything they can talk with short cost and time is their experience with gears as well as a vlog sharing their life and experience as filmmmakers. Even it is hard to find teams for larger production, you can still do something, like a short commercial for local business, a cinematic travel mini doc, or doc series about people and life around you, that's what i do when i want to have fun, and they are not about the amount and complexity of tools. Tools are not challenges and difficulties, in fact, as long as you understand the stength and power of different tools, as long as you understand your way of filmmaking after trying different combinations, as long as you truly have the passion, as long as you truly want to make something from your heart, you discovered that these are tools to help you, not simplye allow you create better image, not simply taught you industry experience from practicies, as well as giving you flexibility and power to create your own film (e.g. v mount powered system allowed me to shoot in hours instead of switch the flimsy camera battery)
The amount of "girlfriend in the woods" type of footage I see lmao foreveralonememe.png
I personally think that the Blackmagic Pocket cinema camera 4K and Panasonic Gh5s are both good for the price
Where i can buy new bmpcc 4k
Que sonho....... Sonho
I don't know why people beat up BM for not having autofocus. If they spent a few hours playing with the manual focus, they would realize it's not complicated to pull focus, especially if you use the focus assist feature.
They forget that it's a cinema camera. The Alexa doesn't have autofocus either . The price point opens it up to those who aren't use to that type of work flow or system.
Yea, that one too, like you bought a cinema camera and you expect it to have an autofocus, little did they know that big film production they have a camera assisstant to manually focus for them, but either way if you're a solo you still can do it, lmao.
Do a video on Sigma FP. Which is the smallest cinema camera
So it does ZCam E2.
I love my BMPCC4K! Worth its weight in gold (which isn't very much... 🤦♂)
Honestly though, it's awesome
For me, it's the Canon 5D mark iv until I somehow need 4k at 120 fps.
still love my 6kpros, coming from 4k
An underdog camera with similar performance but smaller form factor is the GH5S.
GH5S was a cracking camera too! But BRAW is a killer feature imo!! Jake
stills cameras menus are so overcomplicated. that's another great thing about blackmagic's menu. it's so simple and easy to use
yes !
This camera has been making me money every day for three years. With the lumix S system, there is no better combo for me right now.
Same, what do you do mainly, or what's your main niche?
@@donndior1536 I mainly do content for veterinary clinics. CZcams ads, Instagram and Facebook ads. Daily.
What lens was used on the workshop clips?
i think if blackmagic could add a good EIS and a simple autofocus to their cameras, they will truly be incredible cameras for the price, and could start competing with canons mirrorless cameras
I think they view that feature as being a bit redundant with the new gyro data implementation in Resolve
@@SamEmilio2 i think I've heard that in camera EIS makes for a bit steadier image then post EIS
@@verebellus No. That's actually the other way around.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual really?
@@verebellus if you want to maintain the 180 degree rule and use filters, especially NDs and CPL, you want to avoid EIS. You want Lens-IS, IBIS and/or post-gyro stabilisation.
I don't like the cheap sound limiter in the BMPCC
Hi. What is the transformation of space color you use? Thanks
On which footage specifically? Jake
will B-roll work in FCPX?
Theres a plugin available now I believe. Jake
Yeh phir aa gaya?
Z cam e2m4❤
I have an odd question. There is a movie made in 1992 called Split Second. It was filmed on a Panavision camera. I am trying to figure out how to make a movie look identical to the way that movie looked today in an affordable manner. I don't mind buying an old camera to do it, but I can't obviously buy a Panavision camera, since they aren't for sale. How would you go about it?
Listen.
I will tell you how to get that look.
First of all it is not the panavision camera that made the look.
It was the filmstock and the lens that made the look.
Well the filmstock you can emulate with a lut, so that is the easy part.
The lenses are more important.
I would guess you get quite a similar look with canon FD lenses.
And then there is the on-set lighting. Study the movie good to see the light sources and try to recreate it with your own set up.
En last but not least, I watched shots from the movie and saw they made use of these typical 80's myst filters that give a sort of aura glow.
You can buy screw on myst filters and get the similar look, or you go for the cheap and just pull a pantyhose over your lense.
Hope this is somewhat helpfull
@@Pietje_Piraat I really appreciate you taking the time to respond. This has been an ongoing problem trying to figure this out. I was so confused as to where to begin. This gives me a way forward, thank you. 🙏
Great videos! I have a question on your setup: how can you record a video like this with your setup and those big windows at your back? Aren’t you getting trouble with iso and sun changing intensity? I’m desperate (similar situation and don’t know how to do) thanks
If you don't plan having a vmount battery you can do it, but If you're talking about his setup, I'd suggest buying an external monitor.
Blackmagic completely screwed over this camera by not leaving CinemaDNG as a recording format. It can produce a much sharper and colorful image with DNG taking full advantage of the sensor.
Bmpcc4k 4k will be best camera until it will release new version :)
Just curious why you didn’t choose the BMPCC 6K Pro instead? What makes the 4K better other than the price point? Any other reasons?
I love the images that come out of this. I absolutely hate how this thing looks :/ that’s just me though.
You should try the Sigma FP! Similar dynamic range compared to the Pocket 4k, but better low light and colors with a full frame sensor.
Unfortunately cdng of sigma give you less linear workflow in color chain, problem in color profiling when you work in aces environment and more about lenses choose. high space wasted from uncompressed cdng that today is a not necessary (I started to shoot with first Blackmagic Design 2.5k and 4K in cdng). I bought it and sold after few months be cause was more a photo cam than a cinema cam.
@@carlomacchiavello I think differently. We are talking about cinema cameras. Image quality is the priority. Hence, the workflow of a Sigma FP or an Blackmagic is not that different from a Red or an Arri. That's why uncompressed Raw is preferred in the cinema world. If workflow is the priority, the discussion wanders away from cinema cameras.
So, with what camera was this talking head shot?
It was shot on the Canon R5 C & Canon 24-70mm f/2.8 II. Jake
Is there any real pros against the more affordable Sony a7S II ?
The image out of the pocket 4k can record in a 12 bit log raw which translates to 16 bit per channel color depth in post, has far better falloff, color, dynamic rage, and holds up to some pretty extreme grading without falling apart. If one can get everything looking correct, in camera, then the A7S II can produce some great imagery with it's 8 bit 4:2:0 XAVC format, but it isn't close to as flexible for a full cinematic production as BRAW. Particularly if one is trying to achieve a specific look on a budget.
@@billyoung9538 To add to you point: The last time I checked the Sony range had no false colour and no shutter angle setting. It remains a still camera with some extras, not a cinema camera.
@@billyoung9538 ngl if I shoot a music video on bmppc4k and someone asked me what camera I shoot it with and i told them it was shot on R3D they'd believe it, deadass.
I prefer FX30😊
More than double the price. And no shutter angle setting. Interface cannot compare to Blackmagic ease of use.
Wow this video would have been relevant.... 5 years ago
This is a really great review. Except for the hi-speed talking and mumbling.
Totally agree
i would say the fx30 is better. pocket 4k requires so much rigging just to shoot more than 30 minutes.
Batteries is the problem....
V-mount battery is a thing.
Why are you guys rewriting history. Red first threaten to sue anyone including internal raw recording in their cameras, and then went on a lawsuit filing spree for anyone shooting "raw" internally who didn't pay them a license fee. This is why Cinema DNG was removed, not because it was harder to work with. Red literally just sued Nikon over this issue.
We say "In 2019 Blackmagic released their own RAW codec while also removing CinemaDNG from the camera. Some people loved this update, others hated it. Personally, I think for the market that this camera is aimed at, BRAW makes much more sense." How is that us rewriting history? We didn't say the reason it was removed like you say we did.
@@CVPTV Splitting hairs there, "Personally, I think for the market that this camera is aimed at, BRAW makes much more sense. That implies that for a specific market segment BRAW is a better tool, and in essence that is why BMD implemented it. You are implying that Braw and market segment are correlated and is the reason for the switch. The full context of dropping CDNG is that Red sues everyone who has internal raw recording. You are admitting to sidestepping the fact, but you don't see the implication of speaking about the switch from CDNG to BRAW in the context of workflow and market segment, implies that workflow and market segment are the reasons for the switch.
@@SereneBobcat Brother, go get some sun on your face.
@@jake2eproductions Same to you brother
You're making strawman arguments against things that weren't said in the video and assuming what their thoughts and feelings on the matter are.
somewhere in the corner, after watching this video, two good cameras are crying - sigma fp and red epic dragon 6k
Nice camera, but a deceiving name. This is not a cinema camera. On to the next.
How do you fine a cinema camera then, if you're going to refer to expensive cameras like ARRI OR R3D, don't mind replying to my comment.
I almost.bought one but luckily sigma fp.went.on sale :)
12 bit uncompressed raw is just better.
huh
recently bought a second one.
Nothing beats this little monster.
Look at how popular their original 1080p bmpcc still is after 10 years.
They dont go out of fashion.