Weapons as Political Protest: P.A. Luty's Submachine Gun
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- Phillip A. Luty was a Briton who took a hard philosophical line against gun control legislation in the UK in the 1990s. In response to more restrictive gun control laws, he set out to prove that all such laws were ultimately futile by showing that one could manufacture a functional firearm from hardware store goods, without using any purpose-made firearms parts.
Luty succeeded in this task, designing a 9mm submachine gun made completely from scratch with a minimum of tools. In 1998, he published the plans for his gun as the book "Expedient Homemade Firearms". Luty was not particularly discreet about his activities (actually, he was quite outspoken...) and was eventually caught by the police while out to test fire one of his guns, and arrested. He was convicted, and spent several years in prison. He continued to pursue a gun rights agenda after being released, and was facing legal trouble again when he passed away from cancer in 2011.
Several of Luty's submachine guns are still held in the collection of the Royal Armouries' National Firearms Centre, including the one that led to his original conviction. Many thanks to the NFC for allowing me to bring that weapon to you!
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Never underestimate how far a man will go to prove a point
Amen
Reminds me of Albert Dryden, an Englishman who shot the local planning board man on live TV because the government insisted on destroying the house Dryden had built himself on his own land. You can see the footage if you search it. czcams.com/video/9VwlSihAMKs/video.html
@Monotech2.0 Killdozer, I don't think I have to say more
@Monotech2.0 the only person harmed in the making and use of that subgun was Luty. By the UK government.
Like Donald Trump
As a hipster gun enthusiast, I only buy CRAFT firearms from LOCAL armories.
If I may ask; do you wear thick frame glasses? XD
I use only non-GMO lead and fair trade brass.
Man, if I made my own fully automatic gun I'd at least make it weird.
Like give it a backwards frame that fucks with peoples heads. People would be wondering why the trigger is backwards and the barrel is looking right that them when they go to fire it.
WHAT COULD GO WRONG!?
@@planescaped charles darwin classic
You gotta use gluten-free bullets and organic powder loads, too.
I made a 2" bore 4" stroke steam engine with parts from the hardware store and hand tools. Roughly the same amount of torque at the crank as my Toyota.
I have zero doubts a fully functional gun would be easily made.
Where did you get the information to build something like that?
@@bilbo_gamers6417 Mostly from this image
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_engine#/media/File:Steam_engine_in_action.gif
@@SpecialEDy Thanks
You … uh… you got any videos of it working or write ups on how to make it?
I’d get a couple jollies from that
That's rad! I love me some EXternal combustion engines lol.
The book is an even bigger middle finger than the gun.
God bless Luty.
What book
@@Hizenburgerr The book on how to build this gun. Anti-gun people are shitting themselves in rage over the existence of an instruction book on how to build a sub-machine gun.
@@Hizenburgerr it's called "Expedient Homemade Firearms" and can be downloaded easily, but beware if you're not in the US it may be illegal to even download the book
@Who needs profile Pictures Really? Mass shooters have no true appreciation for firearms or firearm culture. A gun is just a means to an end for them.
@Steven Murphy Amen to that
"Lethal barrelled weapon"
* tapes a knife to a 55-gallon drum of lubricant *
Sounds like a fun evening
@@awkwardcultism hahaha best answer ever
BEHOLD, A FIREARM
@@poisonshroom64 A modern Diogenes.
Oi, you got a license for that lethal barrelled weapon mate?
The most dangerous thing on earth... a British man and his shed
It's a real pity, that serious industrialization never grew on this god blessed ground ^^
jon gillespie 20th century 3d printer
Morbious Stone lol cool story really well though out opinion peace.... need more salt tho
mr thompson m first off his name was luty not putt lol and no he wasn't "murdered" by the "evil" British state lol ha wow line up for tin foil hat brigade. Show some evidence to back up your bs.
That is the funniest thing i have read in a long fuckin time
This is the most American thing that a British person has ever done.
Twice.
Founded the United States, that's what I would say is the most American thing a British person has done
@@KenworthW900HG ah yes, of course
He deserves amnesty
@@qoph1988 he died 10 years ago
P.A.Luty was a regular guy. He sent me a free copy of his expedient firearms plans before passing away from Cancer-John in Texas
In Texas? Nice to see he got out of stuck up EU
@@arthurmead5341 lol smhmh at you, eurozone antibrass bitchboi
@@smorrow nah he died of the ultra rare Cancer-John duh
@@smorrow I sign pub and bar cubicle doors when I spray out and ruin bowls wherever I go
Poor bloke had a hell of a time from the government for proving an engineering role. When you think about it most vehicle engine's are more complex than a basic machine gun
"A lethal barreled weapon"
*attaches a knife to a steel pole*
Nearby police: "He's got a gun get him!"
"A lethal barreled weapon"
**dons whiskey barrel**
**attaches sharpened stick to barrel**
Nearby police: "He's got a gun get him!"
"A lethal barreled weapon"
*cuts steel pole's tip to a sharp point*
Nearby police: "He's got a gun get him!"
"A Lethal barreled Weapon"
*Sticks Riggs and Murtaugh to a steel pole*
Nearby police: "He's got a gun get him!"
"A lethal barreled weapon"
*picks up AR-15*
Nearby police: "He's got a gun get him!"
What? Nobody said it needed to be clever..
"A lethal barreled weapon"
*puts a cyanide capsule inside an oil drum*
Police: "He's got a gun! Get him!"
Criminals have also made STEN guns on their own. The Luty gun design isn't necessarily needed.
But it's there nonetheless, that is the way of Liberty.
Damn STEN guns, being made out of random pipes an' shite
fundamentally you don't even need a gun if you can make IEDs
@@mrsteamie4196 you should look at some of the improvised muskets they make out of pieces of wood lol
the point was the show that citizens could easily manufacture their own designs without the use of existing parts. So making a copy of an existing firearm wouldn't have the same impact
I'm actually really disappointed you didn't get into the history of how the British government persecuted Phillip Luty and his family for the rest of Phillip Luty's life. After he was convicted for making the weapon in 1998 they moved him from a low security prison to a high security one as extra punishment. They continually denied him parole to make an example of him. After he got out in 2002, in 2005 they arrested him and his entire family in a raid and ransacked three of their properties and came up with nothing illegal in their search but they still tried to charge him and his entire family with conspiracy to manufacture firearms. They dropped the case when his father died. Then again in in 2009 they went after Luty yet again, this time for writing the original book in 1998, and then tried to say he had firearms equipment because had pipes in his possession.
What the Britsh government did to Phillip Luty should disgust anyone who cares at all about individual rights or lives in a modern liberal democracy or republic.
Count Dankula did a great video on the legend the is Phillip Luty
"They arrested him and his entire family"
Ok dude
@@ReddoFreddo Look it up yourself. It's a matter or public record.
Not to worry, as a British subject I'm disgusted by the actions of my government on an almost daily basis.
@@k1ll3rbunny
And what do you do about it?
Libertarians and anarchists: Write that down! Write that down!
FBI and ATF: Write that down! Write that down!
Bamboozled Noodle ATF: *starts logging every repair shop purchase you make for the rest of your life*
@@DeltaDanner "Is this Bob's Hardware? Yes, I need a new buffer for my car. About 9 millimeters in diameter and ½×28 threads"
@Sean Donovan based on what?
@@theodorekaczynski1683 facepalm
Most anarchists aren't really big on guns nowadays, the days of assassinating kings have long since passed.
Unless you are speaking of 'anarcho'-capitalists, in which case they aren't anarchists (same logic can be applied to libertarian, based upon the historic use of the term).
These keep on popping up around Australia, I think his point is well beyond proven.
Amen
Hahahaha Except for how incredibly effective Australia’s gun control legislation has been. And yes, when people think of Australians, “browbeaten” is the thing that comes to mind....
How miserable they all are since they entirely eliminated mass shootings with their sane laws.
@@frankmcgovern5445 "Entirely eliminated mass shootings"
hmmm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
Hahaha YES, dipshit, and after the gun control legislation following the Port Arthur massacre... MASS SHOOTINGS WERE TOTALLY ELIMINATED!
The point of the thing I was explaining to you, slowpoke!
The US has had LITERALLY THOUSANDS of mass shootings since the Port Arthur massacre.
@@frankmcgovern5445 Yes, the US has had thousands of shootings... in GUN FREE ZONES. Keep in mind statistically almost every act of gun violence in the WORLD happens in gun free zones.
And sorry, your lie that mass shootings were eliminated has been called out on.
This isn't about reliability.
It's about sending a message.
Funnily enough this comment applies to most of the sports cars dodge makes too.
You're damn right.
Jstark picked up the torch and designed the FGC-9 👌
Funny, the message I see is gun control measures are extremely effective. If this is the best someone could make in a shop then the laws are making people in the UK safer
@@wozo9210 Gun nuts can only see black and white. In my opinion it's not a big problem if someone spends a week or two tinkering in their garage and the result is this. A much bigger problem is the possibility for anyone to legally get hold of a fire arm AND proper ammunition the same day they got mad on their ex, neighbour or employer.
If you'd have said that this was a Japanese Submachine Gun from WWII, I wouldn't have batted an eye.
IKR for a country with such amazing engineering skill, as they prove just in the cars they make, Japan small arms tech sure does stink. Such brave soldiers with such garbage weapons, it must be awful to know British small arms tech is better then yours
Well it is a bit too high quality to be an japanese smg from ww2
Robot Jones 1 Fat Man and 1 Little Boy won.
That one protesty Brit will MacGyver something up in his shed to deal with those 10k Japanese soldiers
@@robertmaybeth3434 the bolt actions were alright. Especially when they were introduced.
P.A. Luty's SMG: *Does what it was designed to do*
FGC-9: "I'll take it up from here, Dad."
The future is now old man
Yup, the LSMG walked so the FGC could run
i think luty would have loved to see what 3D printing has done for homemade gun making. may the dude rest in peace knowing he did his part in inspiring pro gun activists of the future.
I'd love to see a review of the FGC-9 on here.
RIP JStark.
You can't ban the metal
You can't kill the metal
No-one can destroy the metal
The metal will strike you down with a vicious blow
This sounds like a Dethklok song
@God has abandoned us sounds about right
@God has abandoned us name and profile pic check out, thanks for reminding me of Tenacious D tho, good shit man
Black Sabbath agrees.
the new Sabaton song about PA Luty slaps
>Brit
>Downloads Expedient Homemade Firearms PDF out of interest alone
>police come
>'Oi mate have you got a license for that PDF'
>get tasered and sent to jail
doesn't work like that.
Do you have a license for that comment?
at least they're not asking you about that unlicensed copy of WinRAR :D
>gibs me dat mang sent to mosques everywhere as reparations for white people making the Muslim kids angry.
let dem muslim kids be angry then..............................cause we gots somtin for them.
I like how you called him a British subject and not a British citizen.
That was rather clever wording, and is rather amusing given the context of the video. It's a shame most people wouldn't appreciate the difference and why it matters in relation to the video... :D
did he say that in a malicious way? i didn't even notice the different wording until i read honestly.
Technically speaking, that is the correct term to define Luty without knowledge of his citizenship status. If you are in the United Kingdom your are subject to British laws regarding firearms, whether you are a British or an American or a Svervegian citizen.
That's what I took away from it
Would help if British Police officers knew firearms law. The tendency is act first think later. And I have close links with the police!
Why this gun wasn’t nicknamed “the middle finger” is beyond me and it would’ve fitted the history it has
The British are too polite
@@MB-THX1138 And also don't use the middle finger gesture
@@klh_io NP i'm British
The flying V
Fukkit lets nickname it that
In my mind, I can only imagine P.A. Luty as being played by Colinfurze.
I dont think colin would shoot a gun on his youtube channel even if he could. He is cucked
@@colossalbreacker Because it's illegal in the UK, genius.
But yeah, both are British men with sheds fashioning metal devices
@@boymahina123 to be fair I think half of his stuff is more dangerous anyway.
@@colossalbreacker I think he’s wise enough to know better. Especially after he got in trouble with the police over the flamethrower on his scooter some years ago.
@@colossalbreacker He has a Thermite louncher
Even if you somehow destroyed all knowledge of how a gun works, eventually, they'll be rediscovered
We'd just go back to sharp and/or heavy objects.
@@josiahzabel8596 A good example. England. They have crazy gun control. Now there's a fucking shanking every tuesday*
*every tuesday is obviously an exaggeration, but holy shit there are so many stabbings.
@@EzekiesAcheron Great, you're almost there. Think about how long it takes to kill a group of people with a knife vs. with a gun. Then you have your answer why gun control in the UK is sensible.
@@EzekiesAcheron Which is why the gov't did the only "logical" thing... and tried imposing a licence on owning a knife. I wish this was a joke.
We live in a world run by clowns...
@@edim108 YA GOT A LOISENCE FER GETTIN' STABBED? GOT MAH STABBIN LOISENCE ROIGHT 'ERE. Ah well carry on. Bloody hell. BIT SAD INNIT?
He was actually finally charged under anti-terrorism laws. A clear indication that such laws have nothing to do with terrorism but just further ways for the state to intrude on the lives of citizens.
Finally someone who gets it.
Justice is an illusion
@@tomaszzalewski4541 justice has been perverted, trust me justice works. She is just blind.
@@tomaszzalewski4541 "Piety lay vanquished,
And the maiden Justice, last of all immortals,
Fled from the bloody earth."
From Ovid's Metamorphoses, Book I, translated by Rolfe Humphries.
Justice is no illusion. She is very real. But we chased her off long ago.
Welcome to your subjection in the United Kingdom. They aren't called citizens for a reason.
For many, many years I've said, "The simplest type of repeating firearm to build is a sub-machine gun."
That's correct. Sub guns came before semis.
Subguns are MUCH simpler than semi-autos.
Amen. I'm mad about the ban on open bolt guns because it means I have to make a much more complicated design for a gun to build.
Everyone says that cuz it's true, you don't need a disconnector, lockup, or a gas system. Its just a couple tubes, some screws, and some various types of steel.
Indeed; open bolts are more simple than closed bolts.
You have to love the irony: Luty was trying to prove that banning firearms doesn't work and anyone could make one and to have him convicted the government had to prove that he was right and you could build a home made firearm.
it's not irony, i'm pretty sure that was his plan, a suicide plan, but a fool-proof plan nonetheless(either he went to prison and won the argument or he would have been released and could have retried)
Palora
I can only imagine his face at court hearing them prove him right in front of the government.
Pretty sweet pyhrric victory, I'm guessing. His fault was assuming that government listens or bows to sense and gives a shit.
I wish i culd frame this and put it on my wall...
I don't think the government disagreed about the possibility. I believe the government stance was the same as the government stance on punching people in the face.
"You can physically do it, but you can't legally do it, and if you do do it, you'll be locked up. Don't do it."
You can't ban the ingenuity and perseverance of the human spirit.
They're sure as hell trying
@@DrLoverLover The irony of that poorly thought-out statement is astonishing
You mean communism.
You may not be able to ban it, but they sure as hell will try to beat you into submission
Can't ban it, but they can reduce the thinking members of the population through education, mass media/popular culture and innumerable policies.
The skill level to do this is that of a second year mechanical engineering apprentice, that means there are millions of people with the skills to build Luty style firearms even without a machine shop - hand tools only if your not bothered oover how long it will take to build.
I doubt you would need any engineering experience.
you have the blueprints and the technological process, so a machinist, a locksmith or smth. Heck, it doesn't even need any lathes.
A layman could build this if he really wanted or needed one
Who's going to make the ammunition? Because without it your shed built gun is just a club and is why countries like the U.K. also restrict and licence the purchase and ownership of complete ammunition and the important components to make it.
@@jonprince3237 You could home-make your own ammo if you were determined enough, steel shells and steel or iron bullets. Use home-made explosives, fireworks, the like.
In the 40’s he’d be a local hero, designing a firearm so simple and cheap. Now he’s a felon
He's still a local hero though. We're just falling under the 4th Reich of fake news and liberalism.
@@Ranstone right, he’s still a hero to those who know
@@Ranstone the liberalism these days isn’t even real liberalism, neo liberal is nothing like classic liberals, for example americas founding fathers would probably have fallen under classic liberalism because that’s when it was actually liberal with its laws and gave people.... liberty. Neo liberalism is just totalitarianism with extra steps
@@MegaZeta literally neo liberals are the purple hair sjw people and classic liberals want everyone left alone to do whatever they like, look it up dude, classic liberal is right wing too so they aren’t socialists and commies like neo liberals are, the word liberal has been ruined by sjw’s claiming to be liberal
Neoliberalism is different from classic liberalism as it does not advocate laissez-faire economic policy but instead is extremely intrusive and wants a controlling government to bring about changes in every aspect of society. Simple way is classic liberal = free speech and guns and neo liberal = dye hair purple and cry online about being called names.
I like how the UK government had to basically prove his point in order to convict him. He made guns from scratch, with no previous designs, from freely available hardware store parts. They had to grant that point in order to put him in jail. So what logical basis does gun control have left in the UK?
"Because we said so!"
"Because mass shootings!"
Underrated comment. Luty had a little essay on his website at one point that talked about that irony. Luty saw the writing on the wall with his cancer, but he did one hell of a thing with his limited time. What a way to go. Salute to Luty from the US 07.
Michael, as ridiculous as it may be to your sensibilities, Luty single-handedly defeated your argument with reality from the grave. If someone wants to be armed they will be armed and no legislation can stop that. All gun control can do is incite people to fight against the government that values criminal lives over the citizen's protection. So Michael, since you want to go to extremes and call people who want self protection anarchists, then are you by extension a supporter of dictatorships?
EDIT: My mistake ED, I thought your post was sarcastic in response to oneandy.
Ed you have a severe misunderstanding of the subject. Citizens are not law enforcement, laws on self defense in all first world countries are very clear about that. Armed citizens are not responsible for going after crime, they are responsible for protecting themselves. That is why police have the power to shoot without an immediate lethal threat while citizens need an immediate lethal threat to reciprocate lethal force.
Your argument is like saying "well seat-belts don't cure cancer, so who needs a seatbelt?" That never was the function to begin with.
I did misunderstand. I thought you were being sarcastic as there are people who think high amounts of immigration and going after people on the internet is a good thing. However, thank you for clarifying.
I’ve never once in my life heard somebody talk about gun control and be so unbiased. I hope gun lovers and people against gun control watch your videos, Or hopefully at least engineering students.
Because his channel is non-political. If you can't clearly understand and state the otherside's argument you've failed at the argument.
The dude literally owns machine guns, I doubt he's for UK style gun laws.
Speaking as a person who is both interested in guns and pro-gun control, I find Ian’s videos fascinating and do appreciate that he isn’t trying to prove a point one way or another.
It's not actually unbiased. It's in line with the status quo.
If it was unbiased he wouldn't have had his trip paid for by a company in the first place (no offense).
No one can be unbiased and unpolitical, though. Like even the act of doing nothing but eating and drinking is political and biased towards not doing those other things.
And if it's doing eveeything in line with what you were taught, that's political and biased because the people who taught you have their own political reasons for not being activists, and have their own biases.
I think sane people represent a majority of his audience, yes.
@@chrisdelzell8467 I whould like to think that too, but I am able to read comments, which are quite one-sided, so I'd have to disagree on that
I'm actually honestly surprised that the British government didn't ban hexhead machine screws, washers, sheet metal, steel, screws, wire springs, cap nuts and generally all hardware stores in the country.
They are a slow bureaucracy, they just recently banned sharp things so give them another couple weeks.
@Nubbinz If they are not careful they are going to do something that will make them look foolish.
Also dont forget about the stones and rocks.
@@kkendall99 They weren't careful, they banned porn too.. Right about the time those people who don't like confident women started making a noise. :thinking:
Augschburgball seriously
Enact as many gun control laws as you want, but just remember that where there is a will there is a way.
Nature uh uh finds a way
Theres water where god wills it
@blob blob His book shows. how to make ammo as well, it isnt too hard to do they just arent as reliable in modern guns due to homemade powder and primers being more akin to black powder style loads so youd need to adjust the recoil system for reliable cycling
@blob blob well my chemistry teacher told us that theoretically he could make crystal meth with the equipment at school. There's also a video about smokeless powder on a channel here on youtube. Just get the equipment and materials, and you can make it.
Of course you can break any law. If you couldn't there wouldn't be any point in having the law to begin with.
Now if only they would let you fire them.
Buy the book, build your own one, paint it yellow.
The Pandora Guy
Does yellow = more dakka?
Don't put racing stripes on it, it will fire too fast and over heat
juan gonzalez their is one video of a luty based designed being fired by Australian police
If you want to make it concealable, paint it purple.
Actually this is one of the guns I would like to see Ian shoot, just to show that it is a mostly reliable homemade submachine gun, as described.
m.czcams.com/video/PQVJVlfMpWo/video.html that is a gun used in brazil
You give history lessons without getting political. I love it good work man!
It's truly admirable and impressive. I really enjoy Forgotten Weapons' presentations, especially when he manages to present a neutral position on gun control. This is journalism.
@@ReptilianLepton I qualify as a Britbong type. Until reading your comment I had never heard of the term. I like it. I commend you sir, if it is your own creation I salute you.
@@innercityprepper Yeah, honestly, Ian is a treasure in the whole gun community. I love firearms and shooting firearms but I can't stand when people start getting super political. Not just about firearms, but when people somehow segue from firearms to bitch about immigration or taxes or foreign policy or whatever else. Ian just focuses on the mechanics of the firearm and its history without trying to push any sort of narrative. As you said, this is what journalism is supposed to be. Tell me the facts, let me make my own mind on how to interpret the facts.
Anyone really trying to present history shouldn't be getting political. It's when people who hear the truth who start accusing you of bias is when it gets complicated..
It is ironic that if Luty had done that in 1940, the govt would probably have been overjoyed and given him some award. Instead, we got the STEN gun, which isn't all that different in conception or execution really.
i mean most pipe subs from the 40s worked on the same principles
if Polish Home Army could make guns out of scrap under Nazi occupation, then basically anyone with basic tools and internet access can...
All you need is a lathe and a mill and you can make fully functional firearms out of literal scrap metal.
My response to the "It keeps guns out of the hands of bad people" argument is to quote Ben Franklin, "Those who would trade essential liberty for temporary security deserve neither."
I mean it's a hell of a quote for this exact situation only if you ignore the words essential and temporary.
A disarmed population, is a COMPLIANT population.
I live in the UK and have just had my vote ignored. By a goverment that has violated the democratic will of the people.
I think this will get very ugly here soon.
I cannot see the treachery that happened here, happening in the US.
When they come to round you up and try to disarm you.
You CAN still fight back.
NEVER take the freedoms that you enjoy in the US lightly
Good people died for you to enjoy them.
Brazil has banned even slingshots for kids! the consequence is that today, most of the guns apreended are no longer .32 or .38 revolvers but .45 uzi clones.
looks like you guys are getting a big break in your gun control laws soon, grats.
@@heresie The "artisans" even stamp "made in Israel" in their homemade machine guns:
czcams.com/video/q2vh37a6cxs/video.html
"Artisans " detained in these weapon factories go to a custody hearing, where lawyers and "human rights "ONG's want to know if they were treated with courtesy during their arrest, and are either released or given light sentences, openly - only penalties of more than 7 years and 11 months mean jailed prison.
Are cases that an year later some of this "artisans" are arrested again ... making weapons.
Not available to watch in Canada.
Holy crap. Of all guns, this was probably the one I least expected Forgotten Weapons to make a video about. But, here we are, and I'm loving it.
I know you probably won't see this, Mr. McCollum, but I wanted to let you know that I've cited this video as a source for a college paper on gun control. I watched this video when it was first uploaded, and the name P.A. Luty popped into my head when I was brainstorming for my paper yesterday (24 Apr. 2021). The information you presented here was instrumental in forming some of the hardest-hitting points in my argument. Thank you, and please keep these videos coming.
What was the conclusion of that paper? Do you believe gun control works?
@@anon_y_mousse obviously, any idiot with half a brain with 2 working neurons can safely conclude gun control is the dumbest shit ever invented.
@PsychoKineticCat If by that you mean that controlling your gun and accurately shooting works, then yes. If you mean it sarcastically as in "gun control saves lives", with the subtext being that it doesn't save lives and actually costs lives, then also yes. If you meant it any other way, then no.
You probably won't read or reply to this, but was your argument and main points?
making a gun from scratch... not that hard
making a gun from scratch that will shoot more than once and doesnt kill whoever fires it... now thats where it gets complicated
Hunter Rodrigez ... Did you watch the video?
I would say the quickest and easiest gun to make that will have a decent reload time is probably a "Slam-Fire" shotgun. Just make sure to buy the good steel pipe so you don't make a pipe-bomb.
And not getting caught, even more complicated. Luty shows that. He got caught.
musuko42 well he did publish a book about his gun...
Really not that complicated. I have seen pictures of 9mm full auto zip guns that are nothing more than a tube, barrel, bolt, magwell and spring.
That argument is why the 3d printing guns/ gunsmithing crowd has grown. For the US, gunsmithing weapons for personal defense is something that should never be illegal.
Even if it was people would still do it. In other countries with very strict gun control it mostly works. That will definitely not work because there are more guns than people in the US.
No i think it’s better to have regulation so you don’t blow off your face
@@snakezase2998 making suicide illegal won't stop it
@@Razor-gx2dq That's such a common exageration.
@@snakezase2998 regulation for what? can't stop the signal, det_disp
The biggest argument in luty’s favour is that these criminals don’t follow laws and therefore could build the gun regardless of the current laws
its not an argument in his favor, its literally his argument.
his argument won, although he took the loss of going to prison for his argument
And they don't, because unlike Luty they by and large don't have the technical knowledge to - this is self-evident in the rarity of zip guns being used in gun crime in the united kingdom against the overwhelming prominence of whatever cheap piece of shit pistol can be illegally imported from Europe. Luty went to jail over an exercise in absurdity.
@@MarilynMalkovich
You ever had a look at the armories that popped up in Northern Ireland during The Troubles? Also they use those "cheap piece[s] of shit" because they are cheap. If it was cheaper or easier to home-build reliable firearms, they'd do so.
@@MarilynMalkovich I suspect that when cheap imports are an option, it's a matter of convenience.
Do you want to build your own gun when you could just buy one? No. If you needed a gun for something, but could not buy one, would you make it? Most likely.
We're talking about a technology that people with worse resources and knowledge put together a hundred years ago. It might take some work, but it's not the impossible task some claim it is.
Critics: "I could make that thing in my garage"
P.A. Luty: "Yes, that's the point."
RIP Philip Luty, they could throw you in jail but they could never shackle your spirit. An activist to the end and a shining example of righteous protest against tyranny.
@@mrcaboosevg6089 woosh
Yeah, what a hero... making and sharing designs for guns that would exclusively be used by criminals to murder innocent people, as happened very recently in Germany in fact.
I don't think the world needs more weapons or people showing how make to guns with everyday objects. I mean if a crazy scientist would put his mind to it, he could probably design a bomb with items you can buy at the Duty free shops in an airport and build on the toilet. Did Luty want that criminals/terrorists use his weapon? Probably not. But that's what people do. Sad example: 09 October in Halle (Germany).
RIP
In my country the whole process to legally own a gun is long and clumsy. And quite expensive too. Including various medical examinations, fire test at a national firing range and ofc a constant bleed of money. BUT if you are stubborn enough you can eventually get all the papers and a gun. Once this part is fulfilled to buy more guns is a piece of cake, and in fact I know people who own a proper armory no problem. Problem is instead that all those steps are not designed to determine for sure if your body and mind are enough healthy to have a firearm, but only made to discourage you with bureaucracy and put hands in your wallet. Medical examinations for instance are a joke, really. They call this "guns control" and I call this "hypocrisy".
Medical examinations for firearms is basically pre-crime. No self respecting MD would ever say that they can predict one's propensity to crime. If such a thing were possible, we could scan everyone and jail the "criminals" in advance. But of course we cannot do this.
Marco Pavone do you live in Brazil?
Damn took about 30 minutes from walking into my gun store to walking out with new gun in box.
God bless America.
@@BitchyBoxxy aaaaaannnnnd that's why you have mass shootings every day.
@@mantistoboggan5171 but we don't though, and usually there is a 3 day background check process before you can pick up the gun
As a good man once said, "Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things."
This is a good example of that.
Firearms much like these were used by both sides during the Troubles in Northern Ireland, but especially on the Loyalist side. A workforce predominantly skilled in manual work such as metal work in Harland and Wolff found it very easy to construct rather good clones of the Sten and Stirling, often using Sten or Sterling mags to negate the feed issues often found.
It is kinda beautiful.
Mixed feelings I expect. Going go to jail for making something, while the people who sent you to jail send your creation to become a museum piece.
Is this one of those ghost guns that can empty a 30 magazine round clip in half a second?
No it's a .30 cal magazine clip in half a second
Looks like it weighs a few boxes too
"30 magazine round clip"
@@carebear2707 that means it's a magazine that holds 30 round (use it as an adjective) clips
But is it fully semi automatic
Such a neat gun, i would like to "have a closer look at it".
GunJesus
For what I've seen it's literally a filled/semi-filled cilinder as the bolt with a spring behind it, it probably has a guide rod in it, the release mechanism is probably just a couple of levers which pull down another lever when you pull the trigger, the lever locks in a tooth on that same steel tube which is the bolt
There is a full CZcams video of the build. Do a search, and it'll come up.
That would be interesting to see that exact gun he made. May be, Philip did something to improve his design, or some interesting touches.
I'v looked up how people are making these, simple and surprisingly high rate of fire, with little to no malfunctions.
Spikey DaPikey
Goddamn sprinks, man
pikey you punker the lingo?from a didicoy .
Bro could’ve built a musket or recoilless rifle but nah. He built a fricking full auto smg. What a mad lad
still better than a L85
88manta88 any automatic rifles are better than th l85a1
j j any WORKING rifles are better than the l85
Manny Lone pretty much!
88manta88 *l85a1, the l85a2 is a great rifle
How many times have you fired the L85A2?
I"m glad to hear there are still such men in England.
Nope, he died a decade ago.
There is a lot of people in the UK including me, that would want nothing more than a 2A.
You really shouldn't, any fuckin loon could make one of those and go on a rampage killing god knows how many people
@Quo Hium could that be, and just stick with me for a second, there are more knives world wide than there are guns, and more people survive masss stabbings
@@southerncoast822 Now that is a fact.
Btw FBI agent I just watched this cuz it’s interesting not because I want to build one
FBI wouldn't care. ATF would only care if it's full-auto, and you didn't pay your stamps.
Also remember FBI, "Shall not be infringed"
My FBI agent is a big guy.
Al quada al quada al quada
@@kanmeridoc1784 I'm pretty sure it's legal to build fully automatic proto type guns in the US, just not for sale
Fast forward 5yrs and you see the leaps and bounds of advances in 3D printing as well as the proliferation of DIY CNC Lathes, DIY Electrochemical Machining, etc:
Luty's philosophy is alive and well today more than he ever thought it'd be probably.
Even if people can make guns, how will they get ammo? The guns are useless without it.
BTW djdrack I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. I got it in my about tab.
@@flat-earther Damn, how can someone get two things wrong in one comment?
Fun fact: Black powder exists and can be easily made with garden and pharmaceutical items, and it's not even that hard to make. It works 1/3 the combustion rate of smokeless powder, Luty even made a guide on how to make ammunition in his book.
Despite all the arguments, unfortunately for you, your delusion about a flat earth is false and will stay false.
Kind of makes you want to over throw a tyrantical government.
EB video
haha conservative owned epic style
Stripes Tutorials And More not really
Iowarail paladin press excellent resource s for LOTS
Titally
Stripes Tutorials And More liberals are just as opposed to authoritarian governments as conservatives are...lol.
It's likely possible to rifle the barrel by hand. After all, that was how rifling was done long before there were specialized machines to do it
depending on the barrel dimensions, a tap & die set might be good enough, though that will have far more twists than normal rifling.
There are other was I can think of to do it, but those require attaching an extender to a rotary tool bit and some other engineering. Totally doable, though.
@@InfernosReaperECM Rifling exists. As does the old school method of pressure rifiling via a button. You make a little pin cut to properly make the rifling grooves and push it through the barrel with a press, hammer etc. due to physics and metallurgy once the button makes it to the other side you can look down the barrel and see rifling.
@EvilAsh110 which is exactly why the next step will be to limit availability of those types of videos on popular platforms. Start downloading, will likely have to diversify 2A related file sharing soon.
That wasn't his intention though. His intention was to design a decent gun that can be made easily from scratch. Rifling and such would likely be too difficult.
@@aritsa3946 "Difficult" is the wrong word IMO. As others have pointed out it's not difficult at all if you know what you're doing. I think it's more likely that rifling simply was not necessary for the point he wanted to make. He was building a go-kart, not a BMW.
"A lethal, barreled weapon" So a metal pipe is a gun? Lol, bad description.
Well at least they don't exempt "weapons with magical properties"
A crude gun perhaps.. but its not wrong..
A shotgun shell and something to strike it with ..
Voila, you have a (shitty) gun.. but a gun nonetheless..
The definition is INTENTIONALLY vague.
Legal English (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_English) is a different, albeit related, language from the English of common usage. The precise meanings can be quite a surprise, especially without knowledge of the legislation and case law involved.
@@SortenRavn I think you meant shotty.
I appreciate that Ian explains both sides of the gun control debate and their pros and cons, but is not using this as a statement for either side. It's just an opportunity to take a look at a homemade firearm. He is great at staying very neutral in his videos. He's here for the guns, not the politics that come with them
"SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED".
Sic semper tyrannis.
"Luty style guns have shown up worldwide."
Excellent. Hopefully a billion more will.
"I have certainly managed to prove how absurd improvised weapons are... Sorry, guys, the fucking Luty is shit!" -- Some Nazi in Halle, Germany.
Gonna have to disagree with you there buddy. If Luty hadn't published his designs, a neo-nazi wouldn't have been able to livestream himself attacking a synagogue and murdering two innocent people. The only people interested in owning these weapons illegally are criminals who want to murder innocent people.
@@MrSumphora uuuhm ok.
There's one guy who used it in that manner and now the thousands of people that haven't harmed a fly with it are only criminals now?
@@Robomann This is only the most recent incident though. The gun has been used by criminals all over the world, because the only ones interested in having an illegal weapon are those who want to use it to commit other crimes.
@@MrSumphora that's simply not true. I knew a guy who built one of those just for the sake of it. Apart from melons, he never shot anything.
Edit: not the luty. A different gun
Very impressive. I've seen many homemade guns, and I believe this was the finest of them all. 99% of the others wouldn't hold a candle to this one.
Have you seen an FGC-9?
We should all aspire to be like luty
Now jstark has carried on lutys legacy and created the fgc9 which will help even more people gain access to firearms. God bless these men
Luty’s SMG: when you can’t tell the magazine from the pistol grip . . .
I've seen some people make more ergonomic versions while building these online. The upside of having a custom grip is that you can make it fit your hand exactly.
Ever since I was 12 I’ve I looked up “How to make a gun from simple hardware store parts”. I love the Luty.
glob I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. I got it in my about tab.
Note to self get book “experimental homemade firearms” when zombie apocalypse happens.
@@SmuggestOfRats On the other hand your claims of "only preparing for zombie apocalypse" are not going to be very reliable defence before said apocalypse happens :P
@@pRahvi0 and now we are in the middle of a global pandemic...
That's great. Then learn to read and get P. A. Luty's book " _expedient_ homemade firearms"
Expedient can you not read
Or when some journalists trigger some rioters and they come your way
You could probably make a double drum magazine
Guys, remember, dont download "Expedient Homemade firearms vol 2."
Sims skill meter plumbob appears with purple highlight and it is rising incredibly fast. Next you know is you got level 10 in DIY firearms.
Thanks dude haha!!
He says "crude". I say "elegant".
Yes, a bit beyond brutal functionalism
A weapon to surpass Metal Gear!
A very elegant crude gun it seems
For a full on homemade gun, it actually looks good.
Given what Mr. Luty had to work with, Id say that the finished product looks pretty damned good for being homebuilt.
Responsible gun ownership is one of the best things ever. I was taught it was a right, although it feels like I'm trying to be convinced that it's a privilege more and more everyday. Criminals will always have illegal firearms because, (surprise, surpise), they don't follow the law, (I know, mind blowing, right?). Excessive gun control only hurts responsible gun owners and unarmed citizens that respect the law.
Politics aside: who wouldn't want to fire a gun? You can spend a day just blasting away are targets at whatever range you use. Its so much fun! If I could test fire explosives legally, I would! I mean come on, explosions are badass. That's why they're always in movies.
I like how you said excessive, not just gun control in general but excessive
@@thechuckennoris5751 make nothing illegal but make it al, come at a price like 50 bucks for small caliber pistols to like 5k for full auto grenade launchers
@@tylerblubaugh5549 ye
@@tylerblubaugh5549 amen to that honestly if you just have a high price point most people can't afford them anyway like you can buy tanks legally but they are fucking expensive saw a panzer 4 go for 2 million a few years ago the average Joe isn't gonna be building his own army anytime soon lol especially someone like me I prefer old classic bolt actions and shooting from horseback I'm pretty good at using my lebel 1886 from my horse it's a really incredible experience took awhile to get my horse calm about it but she doesn't mind especially with her earplugs in lol but TLDR you don't need to make stuff illegal to make it less common
@@tylerblubaugh5549 Making stuff too expensive to buy is just as bad as banning it though, isn't it?
"We're not infringing on your right to bear arms, you just won't be able to afford doing so."
Having lots of money doesn't necessarily mean someone can use a gun safely and/or responsibly.
Mad props for how you respectfully constructed the debate over modern weapons. Some of us need to be reminded once in a while that we're defending more than one constitutional liberty.
Absolutely love the "subject" instead of "citizen" he slipped in there. Luty was a fucking hero.
At this point in time, I don't think you could even pay me to live in the U.K. It really is a shame how things have turned out there.
Good for you don't come here then. I like it here so I'll be staying
Honestly that is some really impressive work for the materials used and simple methods of manufacturing!
hah, reminds me of my teacher telling me about these and that creating firearm designs was probably not a good idea in my product design classes. :')
In high school this one kid built a double barrel shotgun. He was smart though because he made the parts in shop but assembled it at home so he never got in trouble. I remember seeing him work on it and half way through figured out what it was.
The fact that they are homemade makes them so beautiful to me
That's real interesting. When I have issues with a crappy gun, I think "well at least it's better than what can be made at home" and now apparently I was wrong 😂 thanks for the video
Another triumph of British engineering!
Cam The Man Probably works better than the L85 originally did *shrug*
farmerboy916 Certainly works better if you're left handed.
I'm no street racer, but American cars are pretty damn good in handling and performance. I personally prefer asian, but American cars are easy to work on and modify. Universally european cars are the mixed bag where depending on country of origin they can be shitty welded frames on wheels, to top of the world quality.
Obviously he went to jail because a bunch of politicians and ingenieers did worst than a dude in his shed in the middle of nowhere in Leeds.
You have to love the irony
Which was the other one?
RIP Mr Luty
thank you for blessing our people with the wisdom and knowledge of these guns
People with no firearm knowledge think this is impressive but it's basically an oversized zip gun. It's the simplest design ever created. And that, several decades before Phillip Luty.
Not taking anything away from the man. Much respect!!
He also proved that we live in a police state.
The gun works, is very reliable, and has endless room for customization. It's a masterpiece.
I like how people argue whether people should be allowed to make their own guns before asking “what’s stopping them”? I can literally search up how to make a timed hand grenade on the internet. Casing, gunpowder, wire fuze, percussion cap, spring loaded firing ping with a pull-pin to hold it. Literally all of these things can be homemade with store bought or printed/home-milled components and you could look up how to fit the components together here on CZcams.
Let's face it, a decent bunch of gun designers began in their backyard as well. The Barret M82 began in the backyard because his designer wanted a dedicated .50 BMG " plinker " (I say plinker because he probably originally didn't had contracts in mind). We know about Accuracy International having started in a shed.
You want to know how I see it? You need the formation to be allowed. Not because of some anti-guns concerns (which I lack), but because it is the norm to require formation before being able to work. Also, it is much more reassuring when someone actually knows what he/she doing.
Limpet Arch || reading your perspective on the issue, I’d like to say that I now agree. If home design and production of weaponry is properly recorded and held to a certain safety standard, I would feel much safer with the understanding that because there is a way to legally produce one’s own firearms with proper regulation, most homemade gunsmiths would be assured to have a certain level of skill and knowledge of how to safely produce guns.
Please, please don't start giving EU Governments the idea that they should ban all knowledge of how firearms work, because that seems like the kind of thing they would seriously try to do.
i mean, uk almost actually banned porn and is also putting some serious blocks on how to get knives, yeah, even kitchen knives, so i wouldn't be surprised if firearm knowledge suddenly became insider-information... uk is slowly but surely starting to get more and more close to the point of becoming a dictatorship, rather than fix shit, they just ban everything involved with crimes of any kind.
german here. i myself own a gun, and a friend of mine does too and buys his ammunition not in boxes but in kilogramms. if you are no shithead and know your stuff you are free to go and own a gun in europe, my 800 inhabitant village in the bavarian mountains has a shooting range built for about half a million $. stop beeing full of shit
Vulf Almasy I mean, I think the UK has already made the knowledge of (ie having in ones posession or spreading it) making illegal things, illegal. So too late, the british have a special affinity for thought crime. I remember some horseshit about that.
You do realize that there are more countries in Europe, other than Germany, right? For example, gun laws in Greece, The Netherlands and my own homeland Ireland are all extremely restrictive.
+Vulf Almasy
I bet with some metal detecting and poking around you could probably find hidden caches of weapons around Ireland. Seriously, do you ever hear of any discoveries of hidden/ forgotten caches being found?
Only a true Briton could have come up with an idea of such an open protest right into the face of the government.
Luthy was a true citizen in a country that is still populated by mere subjects.
There is ongoing militarization of police forces in Europe among more and more invasive oppressive anti-citizenry laws: private firearm bans and confiscations.
Impression is that of governments being more and more afraid of the people they govern.
His basic ideas have been taken up by the 3d printing crowd, it is possible to trace a line between this gun and the FGC-9 currently being fielded in the current conflict in Burma (Myanmar), both are based on the concept that with the right equipment anyone should be able to make a basic firearm.
I love the use of the term "subject" when describing Luty
I have to wonder what Winston Churchill would say about the wimpifacation of England. I think he would be appalled to see how far his country has sunk. When you listen to his "We will never surrender" speech and compare that with what is going on now it will make you sick. What worse, is that we have politicians who want us to be like them.
I don't think too many people would care what he had to say to be honest. And rightly so.
@Jim Vandemoter - I agree. I expect that Winston Churchill is spinning in his grave over much that has happened in Britain since his death.
I believe he was still prime minister when they rounded up and destroyed most of the firearms Americans sent them for the civil defense patrols.
@@DrLoverLover exuse me??
he would say very little I would think as this type of gun was illegal when Churchill was still in school
"I don't know about terrorists using homemade guns..."
The Chechen Borz was a homemade machine gun used in various insurgent attacks.
Luty's was used in a terrorist attack in Germany
Good thing the government was right there to protect the people. It only took minutes for an armed response when seconds counted! No need for people to be there that can protect themselves and others...
@@a_Minion_of_Soros bait
@@nottherealpaulsmith The name is ironic...
@@WalrusWinking yeah for like 5 minutes cuz his homemade blackpowder 9mm rounds jammed it almost instantly.
He then used his home made single shot shotgun, which literally was just a metal tube with a trigger.
You left out the part where they literally started to harass him, even after his sentence was carried out.
How even the officers and people who had imprisoned him knew they had screwed him over bad enough that they were now looking for reasons to keep him locked up for fear that they may have taken things to the extreme and that he would now hold a grudge against them or that the govt started to track down peoples IP addresses if they tried to get the info.
Its not just a gun control issue, its a freedom of speech issue as well
Firstname I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. I got it in my about tab.
@@flat-earther shut up
Very cool and the Luty guy has my respect for taking a stand, too. Interesting weapons, indeed, given their history.
So everyone's here after Dank's video aye?
This dude just did a full on Ballet around the issue of gun control, not really coming down on either side. Bravo!
Hrm...the algorithm is strong, I saw Brandons Luty yesterday and CZcams send me this today....
Loved to hear the story about the designer, already knew about the gun. It and the hillberg insurgency weapons were what got me interested in gun smithing and manufacturing in general. Pretty effective form of protest. I see luty SMGs pop up all the time in Aussie land and South America. I'm just glad that the majority of US criminals don't have the brains to figure out slam fire pipe shotguns
They don't need to build submachine guns in the US. They can modify Tec-9 and Mac guns to fullauto. I saw a story a couple years ago from Chicago where a guy was selling drugs and got busted and when they went to get his stash there was a working Sten Mark 5. If you search CZcams there's some Mexican gang gangbangers that have a full auto TEC-9 nine
Why build a SMG when you can buy or trade for a unrecorded handgun at your local gun show/drug deal?
@SuperFunkMachine yup, unfortunately there isn't really a great way to sell a gun from one licensee to another easily without doing a ton of paperwork, that I know of. Yeah there is a pretty decent amount of stolen or smuggled guns in criminal circulation, no thanks to the ATF (see the Jacob Chambers Case). One consolation was that I found a list once with a title like: "5 people who shot themself in the junk" and three of them had illegal firearms. Maybe we can get them to stop reproducing.
Brit Police:
“D R O P T H E B U T T E R K N I F E ! !”
Brit: “It’S jUsT mE tOaSt!!”
Police: “S T O P R E S I S T I N G ! ! !”
Brit: “...it’s just me...”
“T A S E R , T A S E R ! ! !”
*life sentence for toast that never was buttered...*
DONUT
Fell butter side down. Tragedy. :(
Indeed, hell Britain is a police-state these days! Hell, they locked up a guy who trained his dog to do the Nazi-Salut to make fun of Nazis, not to mention that they have no freedom of the press anymore - especially since GCHQ (this NSA-Like-Government-Terror-Organisation!) raided the Guardian to destroy files Edward Snowden had given them (!)
Hell, I've been to England a couple of years ago and frankly I felt watched (they have more CCTV in London alone than we Germans have in our whole country!), especially since both in London and Portsmouth they had MP5 armed policemen on the streets (frankly that doesn't make me feel safe and I am not against guns or armed police, but I frankly don't want heavily armed policemen in riot-gear and with machinepistols on every street-corner! Give police a pistol and that's it, have them carry heavier weapons (shotgun, mp etc.) in the trunks of police-vehicles and have them for special forces, but stop up-arming the police and giving them more and more rights...seriously, police-rights should be dialed back to what they had in the 90's or even earlier!)
Not to mention that other criminals, like Muslim grooming gangs where left alone for years! Frankly Britain is kind of disgusting!
He deserved it for not having his butter knife registered.
It was a high capacity assault butter knife, though…
This is really incredible. I knew about the French 'liberator' type guns but no modern hardware store specials like this. This guy is a hero. Also, props to Ian for featuring these.
Mad respect for PA Luty! They cant stop the signal!
And with the proliferation of computer-assisted machine tools, it gets harder every day to prevent people from building their own firearms. I would imagine someone talented could even whip up a homemade design that would function as well as any factory design.
With a lathe and milling and a miling machine i can imagine that the possibilities extends a lot
People 3D print Glock frames all the time, and there have even been successes with homemade etch rifling.
Awesome to see a British subject willing to actually fight his own government and stand up for human rights. Could use more people like him in the UK these days.
Looks like something an illegal gunsmith would sell here in the Philippines.
Shotgun Gabe I saw a documentary about illegal gunsmiths in the Philippines making homemade 1911s that actually looked pretty decent!
This just absolutely proves Luty was right. You cannot ban firearms because people will always find ways to make their own
Yeah but how many people actually make their own guns?
@@TheDennys21 what does that matter? We’re not amassing an army. The point is that those who want to do something illegal will not follow the laws, and can even make their own guns super easily
@@TheDennys21more than will admit and more than you'll believe
@@nat040496 That's simply not true. There is nothing easy about manufacturing a firearm, it requires skills, tools, knowledge etc. and you need to make ammo from scratch, in this video Ian is *astounded* that Luty managed to get his design to work (which took him multiple years btw). Even when you overcome those difficulties, the result is an unreliable, inaccurate, awkward weapon with limited ammo capacity.
@@Hedgemonkey5 do you even realize what video comment section you’re on? Literally all of what you just babbled on about is the purpose of Luty’s book. It gives step by step instructions.