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- The BMW M5 is the default benchmark performance saloon but can the Lexus GS F and its atmospheric, 471bhp V8 compete? Chris Harris finds out...Subscribe to Top Gear for more videos: bit.ly/SubscribeToTopGear
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I can't believe none of the comments are about the fact he's getting the arse out on a 90k car on an icy Welsh backroad! He is an awesome driver.
Dave Hogan balls of steel
He's a professional racing driver I believe 👍👍
Don't think any RWD vehicle is safe for icy roads, espeically one with 600+ hp
@@andruw9011 especially one as heavy as that M5
He probably put all SALT on entire road lol
After being tired of takimg my BMW to a mechanic almost every month I bought a GS350. Solid 100k miles not a single issue. Then upgraded to an ISF and now own a RCF. Not a single issue. Run like a sewing machine. No worries no weird sounds no rattles.
How’s the rcf compared to the isf?
@@gerardobecerra1242 well sounds much better, transmission is more aggressive, more reliable as they improved on isf powertrain. Better interior. Looks great too. I feel its faster than my isf.
Same, gs350 fsport all wheel drive. Got rid of a 535i. Still own a q7 and goodness its a big baby just like that bmw was. Lexus... it feels bran new... like 4 years old... and it feels untouched... how is that possible?! I think the other brands are just fleecin us folx...
Yeah, I own an RCF. Not M4 or C63 fast, but it's so nice to own. The build quality is just another level.
@s l u always remember things that left a good or bad impression on you in the past. I had the bad one. Not only I lost a ton of money in resale value during my ownership, my BMW was in the shop once a month. Bmws drive nice but build quality is trash. Way to much plastic use. Things get brittle due to heat cycles and it is nothing but issues after that. Good luck with your german cars. I am not going to throw back the hate at you🙏. I do like 5.5 ltr AMGs they are most reliable of the bunch.
" the Lfa is still one of the most desirable cars ive driven" Chris harris "If i had to choose 1 car I would take a dark blue Lfa" Jeremey clarkson. What a car
What's plaguing these new Lexus reviews (GS-F, RC-F, LC500) is the fact that Lexus isn't trying to build rivals. It's a LEXUS FIRST, THEN a sport sedan. Meaning traditional Lexus values trump performance for a better package/experience. It does everything very well but few things exceptionally.
Cole Adcock well said mate 👏💯 a lot of people miss the point with Lexus
great reply. I agree.
This is actually a smart comment. I respect this.
That makes sense. But as an "F-Sport" model, they should really be trying to build a car that can do things exceptionally, mainly because this is their performance line (not an average Lexus).
ssjMaximum22Goku
Actually the f sport line isnt the high performance line... the F line is.
LFA, GSF, RCF (ok RCF is not great) the LC500 and the ISF
Do not mistake f sport for the F performance line
F sport just has the sport trim and some improved suspension and optional rear steering
Example :The GS is a performance sedan while the GSF is high performance
Oh lexus did make an exceptional supercar... THE LFA
This isnt top gear. Its Chris Harris on cars
Raditya Indera yes
Raditya Indera and it's brilliant
Raditya Indera Which means it's better.
Its some idiot no one has ever heard off
A very high budget version lol
You can’t beat the GS F’s V8 engine. It’s awesome and it’s honest.
Lexus was the first luxury car I ever owned, I bought a 2011 ES 350 in 2015 with 29,000 miles. I only took it in for regular maintenance. I traded in for a 2015 GS 350 F-Sport with 48,000 miles last December. Granted I don't drive this car that often (I drive a VW Passat as my everyday car) but man when I do drive it, I fall in love with Lexus all over again!
Only car journalist I'll give 15 mins of my time to
I agree that he's very good and I enjoy his reviews. You should really try out Savagegeese as well. Not to take the place of Chris, but the Savagegeese guys are really good.
I agree savage geese is insanely good
And watch the commercials all the way .
Not Harry Metcalfe, Henry Catchpole, Tiff Needell, Jeremy Clarkson, Jay Leno, Dan Prosser, James May, Richard Hammond, Steve Sutcliffe, Matt Farah, Jethro Bovingdon? Are you even a car enthusiast?
@@simonwright6163 well said
I think this review outlines something that people who aren't real car people fail to grasp. It's not JUST about the numbers. Sometimes a car that is easy to drive is more FUN than a car that is hard to drive. There is nothing fun about driving a car that is constantly trying to kill you.
You are 100% correct. But sometimes cars that are hairy are fun too
@Michael Shabo
Yeah. "Hairy" cars are "fun", when you already have other safer cars to drive and work your way up to. However, if it's your only sports car, sports sedan; maybe not so much!? Lol
Yes, there is.
It's one of the many things that made me pick the M5 over the GS.
Another big factor, for someone that hates flappy paddles (and the M's are way better, both in looks and feel, than the GS'), it's that the shifter is right: pull to upshift, push to downshift.
Tandem Automotive it’s about balance
@@Shabnation I think Mercedes are the kings of creating cars that are " constantly trying to kill you".
Chris Harris recognising the virtues of the Lexus confirms everything about the great man. Quality, durability, character of its own
The BMW gonna last 5 years while the Lexus gonna last 15 years lmao
I dont even think the bmw will last 5 years LOL
Want the BMW to last longer? Change out the motor oil at correct intervals. Extended life motor oil lasts 10k miles. Lexus recommends changing every 10k miles. BMW recommends every 15k miles. Wonder why BMW's break more often? You're driving unprotected.
@@DrTommyDDS even then a BMW will never last as long
@@rorodollars I have a 2013 and 2018. Both are going strong. Oil changes at 7.5k
@@DrTommyDDS well of course you do you wouldnt be taking up for them otherwise lol, but really BMWs are known to break down.
Now this is the review we all want. Everyone is out here talking crap about the RC-F and GS-F, some even the LC500, but they all don't matter. Chris Harris has the most unbiased reviews, and even when they are biased, he realizes the true potential of cars and starts to love the underdog for its true colors
By now the M5 Had to have its rod bearings replaced, LOL
😂😂😂😂
FACTS
and that ain't cheap!
It is important to note that for 2017 Lexus added adaptive dampers because there were some complaints the ride is too stiff during normal driving. The GS F doesn't really compare with other cars, it is an anomaly.
That's what I said. The market for each of these cars is very different. Let's get real, BMW does not build practical cars for people who live in the real world.
nowadays people are starting to praise Lexus
shashank Reddy They always have lol
shashank Reddy they deserve all the credit really evolving from what they were originally. It's a beautiful thing, reliable and fun and fast? Sign me up!
As they should be doing
For the Looks LEXUS from quality my vote is still LEXUS.. 😎😍
Love my Lexus GS-F
@@powerGPT I did. You must have never own an AMG vehicle before.
@@apt62 I own it now after is350. never come back to lexus again
I have a GS350 F sport and the GSF in ultra sonic blue is the only car that can replace it as a sport sedan.
Good, not everyone has to.
Love my 2016 Gs f
I love the Lexus. it is absolutely cool.
and ugly
@@ima2319 shut up m8
@@ima2319 ur ugly.
@@JTM610 styling is subjective but the Lexus is a tad masonry.
The Lexus is a real-world car. Every Lexus is built exactly like that, for the real world, yet done in a way that looks, feels, sounds and goes well. My 2000 LS430 is well clear of the 2 ton mark yet its a hoot to drive, and even on 20s and lowered suspension, it still drives like a magic carpet. Plus you know you're getting Toyota reliability when you buy a Lexus, and in 10 years, a GSF will still be ticking along quite happily while an F10 M5 will be having hernias left right and centre when a sensor decides to take a dump
The whole purpose of the M5 is to have a real world every day use car that also performs well. I don't see how it's not a very nice sedan besides having that much power.
Not saying the Lexus isn't of course.
Lexus 🔥💪
Spoken like a true poor person lmao
Taylor Peterson Spoken like a true dumbass. Only focused on the badge.
@Reflex Photography NZ Haha So true man! I am coming from a 450hp 535xi, and just bought a '16 Lexus GSF. Needless to say, I'm VERY happy with the GSF over the BMW. The BMW just turned over 100k miles and it was starting to ding me left and right with issues constantly! Glad that I got the Lexus, bc that won't be a problem anymore! =D
There is no doubt that the Germans make spectacular luxury and luxury performance cars. Great technology and performance is guaranteed with German cars, however there is something else that is guaranteed, electronic issues and quality issues coupled with reliability issues. Sure, some people won't care, they lease these cars and give the shitty end of the stick to the next owner.
Lexus on the other hand, well different story. You get reliability, quality build and sportiness. Sure they don't have an output compared to their counterparts, but the benefit of the quality and reliability exceed the cost of power. If you want to push your car on a consistent basis and not sweat over all of the color warning lights that will populate your instrument cluster withing a year or two, buy a Lexus performance vehicle (Or Japanese performance vehicle in general).
are speaking from experience ?
tbh this is only about reliability but if u can afford a brand new lexus u can afford the maintanence for a german luxury car. thats why lexus isnt a big car brand compared to german brands.
the germans blow the Japanese out of the water in terms of sportiness and they don't lack on build quality, however the germans do lack reliability.
@@adelclay5283 any car you drive hard will break, my 2006 BMW 530xi never broke or needed a repair expect a water pump Wich was very cheap and common still driving strong at 160000 miles just depends on how you drive.
Maybe in America. But the rest of the world prefers German luxury cars. In fact I think America is the only country where lexus sells a lot.
I live in South Africa and you hardly see a lexus because nobody wants to buy them. We don't have reliability issues with the German cars. To us lexus is just a camry with a different badge.
Fun fact, if you activate cruise control up to 200mph it will do it and avoid the limiter
1710 Glob Squad me on the autobahn
GarbisOnTheGo video of it? I need proof
GarbisOnTheGo how true is that
GarbisOnTheGo on the bmw not the Lexus right
Really want to own a GS-F one day
You will
@@drizzybaldwin1478 thanks for being a bro
I was driving an used 1992 Civic LX 105hp when I was 35 in 2001. Now, I'm diving a GSF since 6 years ago. So, you will... 😀
The BMW is just a car.
The Lexus is an experience.
Well said. Every time I drive my GS F is feels special.
Jeremy Clarkson also praised GSF over BMW M5 and M3. GSF seems to be truly great car, Chris is not only the one who took GSF.
Lexus as a daily driver. M5 as a track/weekend car.
An M5 would shit its pants on a racetrack. Unless you replaced basically everything.
Matthias H yesss you under stand my needs.smart thinking😌👍
who buys a 2 ton luxury saloon for track days
M5 is probably a better daily tho: dont get me wrong the GS F is a great car, and probably more reliable than the bummer, but the interior quality, fuel consumption and ride quality is all better on the m5.
@@aadi8568 That’s a good point. People who buy an M5 don’t care about reliability anyways. I was in the market for a compact luxury daily back then and I chose a BMW 335i over a Lexus, it felt more enthusiastic to drive. Reliability wasn’t that bad either. I drove it cross country on holidays often and only the water pump and blower fan failed on it.
He does have dampers in the GS (and they're actually really effective) he just didn't know they are tightened in the S+ setting
That's not true. The adaptive dampers weren't available in the 2016 model. Only fixed Sachs on that year. 17+ came with avs.
@@AnontheGOAT well I actually owned one as well as a 14 GS fsport which also had AVS. Maybe you just didn’t get to experience that year first hand
@@ovejeromd GS F sport isn’t the same as a GS F. Please don’t debate this. The F sport is a package that one could get on the GS 350 etc. The GS F was only available through model years 16-20. And only the 2016 had fixed dampers. 17+ had AVS.
These people always wanting speed speed speed...And when it breaks down, it lives longer in the car repair shop. Lexus is quality, reliability and longevity.
... and bland and boring :(
Everyone makes a choice every now and then.
You and I walk into a bar, you choose a Heineken and I get a Martini. People who buy a BMW, choose it because it's fun to drive. And they have become more reliable now despite being more sophisticated. Both companies have different philosophy. One pushes the boundaries of engineering the other has a more conservative approach.
The modern German cars are notorious for being bland and boring. They may be fast, but they are not fun cars. They have removed everything from the driving experience.
@@helenaadamik6294 Lol BMW on european roads are literally like 30 % off all cars, they are boring as fuck :d
@@michazimnicki1868 yeah because they are better cars to drive no wonder people buy them over a shitty leggsus
Chris Harris is the reason why I still watch Top Gear
Can someone explain this please
Yaoxian Zheng same here he makes it worthwhile watching
Lexus has the happiest customers around the world because of their build quality an the excellence of their service. If I had the money and should buy a car for every day use it would surely be the lexus. And the looks have actually grown on me a little bit so it doesn't look that bad anymore
Had an 01 IS300 for several years that I loved. It wasn't the fastest car ever, but I have never owned a more reliable vehicle. I never once worried about getting where I was going, and when I sold it on at 180k miles it had zero interior rattles, no loose exterior pieces and the engine and transmission performed like new. The two times it had to go in for a major service (ball joints and timing belt) I actually genuinely enjoyed my time at the dealer. No one does a dealer experience better. Lexus vehicles arent the most exciting on the road, but they are legitimately great to live with. You wouldnt regret saving up to buy one.
Random12231 To be honest lexus has never made the fastest cars when you compare them to rivals. But the quality of their products are amazing and usually their cars are still great to drive. And like you said when you took it for repairs the dealers are actually intrested on servicing you. It's an experience you can't get with any other brand and that's something great.
Random12231 haha my experience exactly. 02 IS300 for six years now. Ball joints and timing belt (which I did myself.)
Tried to do the timing belt myself. Had all the parts, but for the life of me could not break the crank pulley nut loose. Even tried the starter bump trick (big ass cheater bar attached to the crank pulley nut, other end of the cheater on the ground). Worked like a charm on my old Subaru, but on the IS it was actually pushing the car up off the ground with the cheater. That SOB was stuck. Had to admit defeat, put it back together and take it to the dealer. No damn clue how they got that thing loose.
nobody buys lexus in the world except for americans...
"It doesn't have the look at the size of my willy numbers that the German cars have". One of your top lines Chris 😂
Bet you'd love his willy xoxo
The biggest thing that caught my eye with the gs f is that it has a character, and the biggest detail which is so small which, imo, is the thing i love, is thay it has an analog clock in the middle, what class that car has dead set
You probably wont read this Chris - I bought a ‘16 GSF and had the exact reaction you did. First impressions, “a bit shit”, but after 4 months of ownership, I adore it. Too right about VTEC boys loving the engine - I have an AP1 S2000 for the weekend and it’s the dream duo as far as I’m concerned!
I just got a gsf. My track car is an AP1 and TSX.
i could listen to Chris talking about Cars all day long ^^
You're not alone!
Top Gear has actually become a car-show again. I'm digging it.
SwapBlogRU i still miss the old top gear
Why, it's still there, just called 'the Grand Tour'. Same boring overly-scripted stuff. I actually don't like the scripted stuff in Top Gear either, but at least it's not as terrible as it is in The Gran Tour (and indeed the old Top Gear).
SwapBlogRU it is car show.
The fact that they need to put Chris Harris' name onto the title of the video (to get people to watch) shows that this isn't Top Gear, this is Chris Harris on cars.
J C The best bamboozle.
How many M5 owners will take their precious in a racetrack? How many of them can actually drive it at its full potential? The "less is more" approach of Lexus is better suited for enthusiasts who don't have the expertise to chris-harris the shit out of every car on any environment.
carlmanu you've been to race track? I brought mine there, also I see other m5 there. The Lexus really is ugly and slow. I raced one back there, dude scared to shit after a corner trying to catch up. lol
Han Li I've done some track days myself but I don't own either one of these cars and I haven't seen too many BMW nor Lexus being tracked here in the states but perhaps your experience has been different. My point is that Lexus has the more viable approach as a daily driver for the average enthusiast. The M5 is without a doubt the faster car out of the two, if you know what you're doing.
One thing i can say Carmanu is that i don't think Han Li is speaking the truth in regards to owning A 2017 M5. Apparently it is factual that you don't know anything about prudently evaluating an automobile. Here are the key information stated by the Top Gear representative in regards to the Lexus: (1) The driving position is absolutely spot on(6:18 to 6:23). (2) It also has the best seats that i has driven in the last five years (6:24 to 6:35). (3) The normally aspirated engine is excellent (6:40 to 7:16) and (8:53 to 9:13). (4) The suspension in regards to ride and handling is much better than the BMW (8:11 to 8:29). (5) The steering is much better, he also feel much more confident when turning into a corner (8:29 to 8:44) . (7) Visibility is much better (8:45 to 8:52). (8) It drives better than the BMW even when the traction control is off which means the balance of the vehicle is spot on (9:27 to 10:01). (9) Braking is excellent (9:53 to 9:56). Only thing this BMW has against this vehicle is just the power which is a disadvantage to the car itself.
I would argue that most of them probably do use the power for going fast regularly. But you are right, most of them probably don't really drive sporty anywhere outside of motorways.
carlmanu to be honest I've never see Lexus on track too..
I love the way how Chris Harris deliver his opinion with reasonable n fair justifications. he is a very good presenter n meticulous car viewer.
Chris Harris is without a doubt the best motor journalist out there today.
precisely
you should go to gumball, he will be jealous xD
as much as a Jeremy Clarkson fan I am, I have to agree.
Totaly agree. He has it all. A bit of fun, a bit of sobriety, some facts, some feelings. He says how the car feels like, the joy it gives, but also objectivly says its flaws and he is unbiased. I love the old trio but let's be honest, they are mostly fun and completly biased
Clarkson is famous for more of his clowning around.
I own a Lexus IS350 Fsport 2007 and it is a beast, I will go with toyota-lexus from now on.
Watched this again after 1 year of owning the GSF. Super spot on!
is it slow
"You could stick a BMW badge on a dead cat, and people would still buy it" as Richard Hammond once said
I liked the review, and especially the point between "great race track" cars and "everyday performance" cars.
A lot of people look only at race track performance without realizing open roads aren't ideal tracks.
Great review again with useful insight!
the GS has aged better, it sounds better, its more reliable and its the last of the naturally aspirated rwd big saloon on the market SO END OF CONVERSATION, BUY THE LEXUS!
A good friend of mine had this M5 in Cape Town about 6 years ago and described it as "Sheer Driving Terror" as opposed to BMW`s advertising slogan there as "Sheer Driving Pleasure"...that car was terrifying...
"All these different components, it's bizarre but you know it's going to last... it's always does." So true!
This is the only guy i appreciate from "new top gear"
I had an F10 M5 for about a year. It is a lovely car and is ridiculously fast. But it was just boring. The speed it so instant that you are way beyond the speed limit before you've enjoyed the acceleration. The traction was terrible even in the dry due to the huge torque so low in the rev range. It really made me appreciate a lower powered NA engine.
The Amateur Guitarist first time I’ve heard that one
@@bwmim9709 I felt the same way about my Porsche Cayenne Turbo S. Well perhaps not bored exactly, more frustrated, as it got to speed soo quick and when you start to enjoy it, your already at the legal limit. Often a car you can drive at 90% of its capacity, feels more fun than one you can drive at 30% .
@@chrisali2173 fuck the speed limit🤣
BMW undoubtedly is probably the better drive, by a huge amount I don't think so. Lexus wouldn't feel that much off. However my personal experience with some friends with BMW's and one friend in particular has bought a few BMW's over time diesel and petrol. Both had issues. You could argue lack of maintenance. However, if he took my Lexus is250 and just changed the oil once and didn't bother servicing for a couple of years it will start and act faultless.
If I was rich I'd buy the BMW. If I had my own garage and could service my own cars I'd take a BMW maybe. Lexus cars are fantastic though. The V6 engine, smooth and reliable. If I'm not gonna be rich anytime soon and I want safety I'm sticking with Lexus. I'll try the RX one day
Yup, I've got a 12 year old GS460 - it still looks and feels as good as when it was new - no drop in performance, no oil leaks, no mysterious clouds emerging from the tailpipes - every single thing on it still works, everything looks and feels amazing still. Equivalent BMW would be a 550i - which after 12 years is a ticking time bomb if it hasn't already had serious engine and electrical issues that would write the car off mechanically. BMW don't build anything to last anymore - for Lexus, it's part of the DNA of the brand.
I've owned Lexus and BMW's. Give it 5 years and the BMW cabin will be falling apart. The lexus will still look pristine afte 5 years and even 10. And thats tha cabin only. BMW's are ultimate driving machines for the first 5 years, after that they will be the ultimate headache.
I’m waiting for the GSF to depreciate to low to mid 30s. Nothing like an old school 5 L V8 Japanese saloon.
& the great thing is, unlike the old V8 BMW's you can currently pick up for next to nothing because if they haven't already started to experience critical engine failure, they soon will, the Lexus V8 will keep going for decades to come.
That’s gonna be a long wait, lol. Hell, old isf are going for nearly 30k still
@@Jeff.with.a_G Yeah, and in the current climate, and with N/A V8's really no longer being a thing manufacturers can continue to produce, I really can't see these kinds of cars doing anything but appreciate. Still, things might change once Covid is on the retreat, and people have vacations to spend their money on again. Mine's just the 4.6 litre V8, but damn, it's a nice engine!
@@Jeff.with.a_G all I have is time.
@@Beer_Dad1975 That's a rare gem right there..
This isn't Top Gear. This is an actual in depth car review... Awesome.
I have seen this video for at least 10 times and together with SavageGeese V8 Redemption video, these two mainly convinced me that GS F is the greatest daily supersedan to own and possibly ever created. I bought it and never ever looked back :-) Love it. The BMW M5 is superb, I have huge respect for it but GS F is just better for me. And original, reliable... You should really try and be amazed after longer drive in it. That sound, feel and also practical living with it (of course sedan somlimits are there but 2 kids with ease ;-) ). I had to move from IS F because the 2nd child. My wife is tolerant so I was able to.go into another crazy daily car ;-). Surprised how easy you can live with the GS F though.
the noise at 3,500 is the additional air intake opening allowing more air into the engine - same as on my ISF
Always thought the GS-F was sharp looking and I guess it's just as good at driving. 👍
New Top gear should hire Tiff needle and Jason Plato.
I always look forward to hearing Chris' candid "tell it like it is" perspective. Keep it up.
Great review! Really enjoyed this. It was thoughtful and balanced. Thanks.
Can't wait for the M8 review boiz
He didn't mention the other "more" you get from BMW, more visits to the garage to get the damn thing fixed
😂😂😂😂 👌
Brilliant video! Production top notch, thank you!
Did anyone notice the torn covering on the steering wheel next to the left transmission paddle?
On the Lexus.
Excellent work Pep : )
Love how Chris reviews the interior... More of that please! #InteriorLivesMatter
Excellent review thanks!
just a reminder that this m5 is at the end of its run and a new gen m5 is coming late this year or next year :D
Elmojito1000 planting 600hp on rwd cars on roads like these are indeed tricky, you need some very clever engineering to get past that
also, driving on ice, and then complaining about a sports car having too much power seems weird.
valgehiir tbf, in this case its true, the m5 does have too much power, even in perfect conditions
I have never driven a 600 hp car, but I drive a 500 hp, rear wheel car every day, and I could use some more power. But agreed, 4 wheel drive may be needed to put down 600 hp, I have no idea of knowing this for sure tho. M5 and my SL55 cars are built for autobahn, English country roads are best left to MX5 and maybe Morgans, there is nothing to do there with 500 or 600 hp. But in ice and slush? lol. Even in the rain, I don't go faster than 130 kmh on straight road, because the wider the rear tires, the worse the my 500 bhp rear wheel drive gets in slippery conditions. But this road in Harris' video, in snow and ice? What next, take F1 car there, and then complain the car has too much power? Cars have their place, F1 belongs to perfect surface race track because it has 800 hp. The review is so useless. Take the cars to Berlin, and drive to Munchen, and then drive it to Rome, then tell which is better. English LOVE their country roads, I get that, but to bitch that M5 isn't all that great for these roads is idiotic. Again, take these cars to bahn, where they belong!
Ah, so I can get it for cheaper at the BMW dealer then?
Btw, his expectations for the new M5 are in the same line: 9:30
Time for the xdrive M5. That much power needs AWD.
TheViewFromUpHere The new M5 will have Xdrive
ShoryukenDatAzz I know. Can't wait. What has taken BMW so long?
Germans take their time when they engineer their cars. The current VW Jetta has been the same since 2010.
BMW has had xdrive for a long time but unlike Audi with their S and RS models there are no xdrive M models. Very strange.
TheViewFromUpHere New M5 will have Xdrive, going to be great!
I have an E39 M5 and I have to agree, I really think I'd rather have the Lexus. If it were a manual, it'd be the superior car hands down in my opinion. Granted the new M5 has AWD, but I have to agree that the F10 is just too much of a handful in conditions like those.
The lack of a manual is my only gripe with these. If it had one, there would be no other choice.
Everywhere I look in the UK are bmws on the Road. I don't see many Lexus on the road. But Lexus are much more reliable I'm a BMW owner and my next car will probably be a Lexus
I live in the UK, I own a jaguar xf 2011 v8 and a BMW 525i 2010 v6, and Nissan 350z 2003 v8 modified. I'm 21 years old and I would much prefer my 3rd car to be a volvo than a lexus if I'm seeking a reliable mid range luxury car
@@undisturbed809 good luck
@@kojoakpabey8825 no luck needed, volvos are replaible too
@beonline1 well, every cars has problems no such thing as a trouble free car but yes British, German, Italian, and Swedish cars are not known for there reliablity but instead. I personal buy luxury car for luxury not reliability which means I'll never concider anything less than a mercedes c class.
@beonline1 I believe the lexus Ls500 is definitely a true luxury car my stands, anything less than the Ls500, Definitely a car Ill like to get my hands on in the future.
Chris
we yanks love to hear you talk...also good production!
Have a GSF and I absolutely love it!
infinblck my condolences to owning such an ugly, bloated vehicle.
J0J0McM0M0 hahaha typical response of another peasant hating on yt, you win!
i only have one of the last manual Chevy SS. If i had the money id have a GSF too. What an amzing car.
Lexus fam! 06’ IS250 checking in😎
UK?
Production quality is extraordinary as well as Chris Harris's review
as usual. quality review.
“The VTEC bois will love that” lol he says I want to see and hear this Lexus for myself haha
lexus is real shit in case of look and performance .... germans are better
Many people only buy it for looks. Lexus more affordable. Why would i every need to go that fast in a bmw?
Fantastic review! Love it!
Was looking at used GS Fs and thought I should see some reviews. Harris, Carey, job done. Content decisions for a review are 100% informative and entertaining. They should just let Harris decide who he wants as TG co-presenters.
Nice to see Top Gear coming back! With regards to Lexus's gear box. Yes it's weaker but it is more reliable than BMW's and cheaper to maintain.
As a GS F owner it’s the best car I’ve ever had. Although I’ve only ever had Lexus lol 🤷♂️
Man I cant find a clean one under 50k. How has the experience been. What is maintenance and mpg costing you. Grats on the dream car. If I can daily one and track it for fun for like 300k miles. Perfect
@@hesko125 I've only put about 5k miles on it so far. Just installed the RR Racing supercharger kit on it as well. Not sure on the maintenance front yet. Just haven't put that many miles on it. Just oil change so far
@@joshuarich4714 9k rr is epic. What kind of mpg when your easy on it
@@hesko125 I will check it tonight. I really don't pay attention. I drive a 99 GS 400 as my daily so I'm really not sure.
Hesko 1 I’m getting about 12 mpg at the moment. Had to do some test pulls with the new supercharger set up. It’s nutty. 😂
My observation here is that we are drowning in BMW fan boys. There are a plethora of channels explaining BMW’s inability to keep oil in their engines and travel further than 80-100,000 miles. I’d far rather see a review of two 4-year old cars. A BMW and Lexus. The BMW is beautiful new but allegedly hateful after 3 year....IMHO.
Every now and again I come back to this video, and everytime it reminds me of what my dream daily is.
Chris is so much more natural in these videos compared to the TV program.
Watching this, I had to pause and go drive my GS350. That’s the kind of ownership I sought out. 🤫
A brilliant video. Thanks.
Yes, another "Chris Harris drives" video! More of these, MOOORE I TELL YOU!!!
The Lexus GSF is a better car. All over it’s 1 second. Slower but still a better car for your money and reliable and quality and resale value
I actually really respect Lexus for keeping the NA engines alive. And I know it’s not practical and I know I wouldn’t sell BUT, I’d own one tomorrow if it had a manual
me too gotta have the manual but 250 to 275 is plenty of hp AND prefer a lighter auto...
Fantastic review!
Hi Chris
Great Video however, the GS F Nav does have full Post code on Page 2 and the Dampers are Adaptive but only in Sport Plus mode.
Many thanks.
Tony
It’s a mad cabin for a completely mad car.
Chris Harris said it best.
M5 is the better performance car. GS F is just the better car.
Max Troy more people need to understand this ^
Well technically the M5 is the performance version of the 5 series...and the GS-F is the performance version of the GS...so the review should have been about performance in the first place...
A V8 says everything. Performance figures means nothing.
A V8 says everything. Performance figures means nothing.
Harpreet Singh considering these are not full on track cars and it's something that fits a family it shouldn't be just about more power and more to but how it all works together.
Really really enjoyed this
I have friends that have had BMW's and they are done with them because of so many trips to the shop to fix little things all the time and sometimes big things. The Lexus drives so nice and is never at the shop except for oil changes, it's by far the better car to own unless you care so much about what other people think, You'll be happier driving and owning the Lexus.
It's so annoying, but maybe now that Toyota re using their engine it means something.
@@dragospahontu It means Toyota made a mistake. The BMW B58 is undoubtedly a decent engine - but like everything BMW make now, it has been designed with no interest in long term ease of serviceability, and that means the new Supra will never be a classic. The number of things you have to take the engine out of the car and perform major tear downs on to do is bonkers and will mean that these cars end up at the tip when they enter the point of life when values slump to the point where any such issue will cost more than the car is worth to repair. Unlike the JZA80 Supra, they are just never going to reach the point where they are appreciating again.
@@Beer_Dad1975 not really. After 2012 BMW made a conscious decision to make reliable engines. Toyota helped out a lot.
@@dragospahontu You saying Toyota helps BMW make their cars?
@@ozhoneybadger they helped with the engine design. And BMW after 2015 made a decision to attempt to make more reliable engines.
Toyota + BMW is a good combo
If ur running these after warrenty , the Lexus all the way but the BMW
may be the better drivers car.
That's my experience. I've had several of each. I'll drive either up to the end of warranty. But after that, no way would I own a Beemer.
The Lexus definitely sounds better.
R u serious? Those Lexus exhaust tips are a badass signature
We have two Lexus cars (Lexi?) for our South Wales Chauffeur business, RX450h Advance & GS300h Premier, and find them great for reliability and comfort. As for no postcode search on the Sat Nav there is page one and two for the Navigation and the Postcode function is on page two. Love the video especially as it is quite local to me.
Just don't know why but I think Lexus is the best brand out there
People hating on Chris Harris are just embarrassing themselves, to real petrol heads his car videos are more enjoyable than even the old Top Gear
Amen
Dont get ahead of yourself here. Calm down.
Old Top Gear was the benchmark every other motor journalist tried to look up to. No wonder Chris is brilliant in his own way but that cant undermine the enthusiasm old Top Gear has given to its fans.
Chris talks what petrol heads want to hear, old Top Gear was just a show with Jeremy talking shit about cars.
Tirah5 I appreciate this response, you are probably right. Without Top Gear we might not have seen /Drive and then we might not have the Chris Harris we know today. But I do stand by my point, it's just a shame how childish the internet is.
Old Top gear in my opinion was just entertainment for non car guys. I remember being around guys who really weren't into cars loving top gear and this is what was great about it. But I felt like I was watching car a kids show. People used to ask me how come you don't watch it your a car guy. I can't say much about this guy except from this video and I like his review.
Brilliant video Chris, just like your own channel vids this is.
14:32 I wish the running lights lined up with the head light shape.. they look like an after thought in that spot.