I'll be completely honest. Very surprisingly, I mostly agreed with JYP in this series and understood where his comments and criticisms were coming from (like the lack of emotions or facial expressions in certain members and so on). Of course that sometimes he criticized someone that I liked, but since I'm not a professional (and I don't understand dancing or singing that much), I took the criticism in stride. However, I HEAVILY disagreed with him in this episode regarding Tomoya. I was like: "What do you mean that he failed as a leader?!" That boy is an absolute gem when it comes to leadership which he already proved several times in previous missions. I mean, he's the only participant that happened to be a leader in every single mission since he always ended up high in the rankings (and they were giving the leader positions to those) so imagine the pressure. I cannot believe JYP had the nerve to straight up say that his leadership was disappointing just because he didn't like the performance of his other members. He's the one that put those members into Tomoya's team in the first place! Since the beginning of part 2 he was teaming up Tomoya with much lower rated members in hopes he would help them rise, and when it didn't work like he hoped, he seriously made it seem like it was Tomoya's fault? Yeah, I really wasn't a fan of that comment. I was (and still am) very much pissed off about that because I found that comment extremely unfair. That kid almost bleeds for his team every single time, but he just cannot bring the visibly weaker members up to his level. Don't get me wrong, he's a really good teacher and he has already proven to be able to help his members get better but he's no miracle maker and I can't believe JYP wanted and expected him to be (a 17? years old kid by that time, may I add!). This episode made me even question if JYP liked the fact that Tomoya was chosen as the leader by absolutely everyone last episode. I wondered if he's suddenly trying to discredit him in favor of Haru as the final group leader (and this is nothing against Haru! he's also amazing leader, but to me, Tomoya has just something special, you know? and also you can't help but notice that Haru was always on that one strong team in each mission unlike Tomoya so you can't really compare their leadership when one of them gets great members all the time and the other gets the low-rated ones)... My other theory long before this one was that on contrary, he wants Tomoya as the final leader so he's testing him much harder than Haru by giving him "weaker" members and more difficult songs. But in that case, again, very unfair comment. I'm sooo proud of Tomoya and the response he gave though. I was really glad that he stood up for himself and his team and said that they put everything into it and couldn't do more. Because that's right! Hated the fact that it made Tomoya cry though. Anyway, let's move away from that otherwise I won't shut up about it. (Can you tell I'm still boiling because of it months later? :-D) The ending of this episode really hurt and I couldn't handle all of the boys crying, especially all the trainees saying goodbye to Sodai. However, I was not surprised by the eliminated members. I actually had a pretty strong feeling that they would not make it based on JYP's comments and the rankings in all part 2. I wasn't surprised even by eliminated Sodai which surprised a lot of people back then, because unlike others, he just couldn't seem to fix the problems pointed out to him on several occasions, which really sucks because I definitely feel like JYP hoped he would fix them. I believe he really wanted him to debut because let's be honest, he really is a main vocalist material. Performance wise, I definitely didn't think Tomoya's team was bad. While I agree that Haru's team was better (unsurprisingly considering who was in it), I think Tomoya's team did very well with such a difficult song (which was also relatively new at the time). As for Yuhi's team, although it had both Sodai and Taiga who didn't get to continue in it, I was very proud of them all because I was shocked when I heard they got to perform Hard Carry. Like seriously?! JYP really put them through it with that song. According to me, it's one of the most difficult songs he could've possibly picked, especially because of the choreography. It's incredibly intense and fast and even GOT7 sometimes struggled a little bit when they had to perform it because it really exhausts you a lot. (And I'm saying this with nothing but love because I LOVE GOT7. They are my second favorite group right after SKZ and they were actually the ones that brought me to kpop and later to SKZ. I once saw them perform a double speed version of Hard Carry on some variety show and yeah, they almost died.) I thought the boys did really good with such a difficult song, especially Yuhi killed it and I was glad he was recognized in the rankings. Their Hard Carry is actually another performance from this show that I regularly rewatch because I really love the song and especially Yuhi in it. (I still don't understand how exactly it happened because I feel like Yuhi didn't get much space in this show except for the last few episodes when he was the leader in two missions, but for some unknown reason I really grew to love him and he was my second favorite member right after Tomoya.) Lastly, I'm really looking forward to next week. You will finally meet the complete group! Cannot wait! :-) PS: I am so sorry for the length of this comment. This is how it turns out when I decide to express my annoyance once a year, lol. But I have a feeling the comment next week might be even longer since it's a finale and I'll be able to talk without worrying about spoilers. :D
Thanks for putting into words most of what I was thinking. I couldn’t have put it better myself. I was as po’d about this episode as I was during the Stray Kids survival show.
Very well said!! You explain things very well! And I totally agree with your thoughts on Tomoya’s experience. The integrity and leadership he displayed made me respect him even more. He’s definitely being tested very hard. And I think he’s handled the pressure with good grace. But yea, the end of this episode also wrecked me… Looking forward to your thoughts for the final episode!!
regardless of how star kids does for their performance ( I think they did wonderful, some lacking but overall enjoyable) I really respect Tomoya for standing up for his teammates and decide to stand his ground saying they practiced hard and no one regret it also I was just like you, I think sodai will definitely make the group since he's the strongest vocalist in the show but nope I was so shocked
39:42 you were so right. The show has given him teammates that require so much attention to him in terms of skill. He keeps losing because of that but made him shine more eventhough he shines in every stage in his own way.
I agree, I feel that he was too harsh on Tomoya.. Tomoya works so very hard and supports his groups well. I have so much respect that he stood by his group even after being criticized. I’m excited for the finale and to support the group moving forward!
• (All for one) - Oh god, I love Yuhi's stage presence so so much. Sodai's voice is very clean and he has the potencial to be an amazing main vocalist. Eiji's dance is always very powerful, the song was perfect for him and Taiga's effort really shows, I also really liked his dance. Overall their performance was so good more than I expected💖 • (Star Kids) - Miraku did well in terms of his confidence, Sean did a decent job but I think his dancing lacks more precision, Yuki did very well but having a growing voice I feel like it didn't fit the song much, he still did a decent job in this performance and Tomoya as always shining in his perfomances, I really loved his stage presence and he was a good leader👏 Omgosh I didn't think they were going to eliminate three of them in this episode, I thought Sodai would still be on the show. I cried too much for his elimination, I really hope he can achieve his dream because he has GREAT potential, same for Taiga and Sean, I hope to see them in the future. 😞💙 Well, there are the last two episodes left to see the final group, I'm very excited. Whatever the result, I loved seeing all the effort and growth of the boys.
Yuhi is absolutely shining!!! And his team really did so well! Tomoya’s team I feel did the best they could with what they had. And of course, Tomoya was awesome! I wasn’t shocked by Taiga and Sean.. but Sodai shocked me. He really is so talented. I hope he keeps chasing his dream. I’m looking forward to the finale!!
Yes, eliminating three was too much! I thought two at the most, but I am sure Sodai, Taiga, and Sean will continue to do their best and debut someday! Can't wait till next week's final episodes!
JYP did say that ANYONE on the second and third place teams could be eliminated so it was in thier best interest to strive for first to guarantee a spot to move forward, though when I first watched this I was also a bit shocked we lost 3, I thought it would at most 2! I cried again with you watching this 😅 I CANT WAIT for your finale reaction and subsequent reactions to thier music and content
I think JYP is really testing the limits of Tomoya's leadership skills. But he must still consider that Tomoya can only push a member toward his limit, not beyond it, and if a member can't do it, it's not Tomoya's fault. Ken and Seita improved under his watch - even Yuki - because said members STILL CAN IMPROVE. But if guys like Miraku or Sean hit dead ends, Tomoya really can't do anything about it. But what if you put Tomoya in a group with quality members? Put him alongside Haru, Yu and Yuhi? I think that would've been a different story. Heck, maybe if Sodai was given a chance to team up with him, his potential could've been unlocked. Speaking of Sodai, I was sad he got cut - really thought he'd make it, being probably the best singer of the lot. Obviously he went the Yuna Route (or Gina, if you prefer A2k) - destined for greatness, but got lost along the way. Taiga also went the same route - the training just didn't produce the results. Sean has talent, but just doesn't seem coherent when in a group. Next week is the 2-part finale, and you'll see the final line up. No spoilers, just a teaser: the last spot scenario will mirror both the finale of NPS1 and A2K, but the result will surprise you.
I do think the expectation on Tomoya was unfair. He was not a professional or a trainer at the time.. I will be extremely interested so see how he works with a more powerful group. It’s going to be incredible, I think. I can see why the three of them got cut but it makes me sad… especially Sodai. I really hope he finds a place to use his talents. Ohhh interesting!! I’m curious to see what happens!!
Tomoya got a bit of wake up call on his leadership today. I think why JYP cut 3 today was he realize Sodai and Taiga were not improving any mote as JYP Trainees. Next week I do have an issue with the finals.
Skill gap =/= lack of team work. Like most have said, it was really cruel and unfair of JYP to unload such a great burden onto Tomoya and blame him for it, too. He had the lowest ranking members on his team while Haru literally had the highest ranking members. Wasn’t fair from the start, yet Star Kids performed very well for trainees and mere participants of a survival show.
Again, JYP is so unfair with Tomoya. He always puts him in a group with low ranking team mates, and expects him to make the other members go beyond their limits. He's a GREAT LEADER. He tried hard, he thought of ways to help the others to improve. And SKZ songs are hell !! It's sooo difficult. And honestly, they did great. Sure, the Heart Hunter team was waayy better, but come on, look at the strong members in this team. I think he was really unfair with Sodai and Taiga too. They improved, not as much as other members, but they did their best. I think JYP had already planned something in his head, and no matter how much these two would have improve, he will have something to criticize. Third time watching this, and third time crying ! I can't, i love these boys !!! I was so shocked the first time, and it's always so hard to watch them crying and apologizing... Can't wait for you to meet the final members, and to hear your thoughts about it. I have sooo much to say about the final episodes !!
I totally agree! He’s a phenomenal leader who keeps being put in a really tough positions. I feel like he’s being compared unfairly. Yes exactly!! Covering SKZ is HARD. They did their best with it. I really hope Sodai and Taiga get another chance at some point… they have so much talent.. this episode broke my heart a little.. I’m excited for the final but I’m also scared now…
지금 NEXZ의 색깔을 보면.. 충분히 이해가 가는 선택이었다고 느껴지네요.. Taiga는 유순하게 생기고.. 인생에서 가장 중요한 4년을.. 한국에서 연습생으로 살아왔는데.. 어떻게 될지 참 걱정이 큽니다. 다음 Loud 팀에 들어갈지.. JYP를 나왔다는 말도 없고.. 그의 행적에 대해서는 정보가 별로 없는거 같습니다. 어떻게든 JYP에 붙어있어야 합니다.
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I'll be completely honest. Very surprisingly, I mostly agreed with JYP in this series and understood where his comments and criticisms were coming from (like the lack of emotions or facial expressions in certain members and so on). Of course that sometimes he criticized someone that I liked, but since I'm not a professional (and I don't understand dancing or singing that much), I took the criticism in stride. However, I HEAVILY disagreed with him in this episode regarding Tomoya. I was like: "What do you mean that he failed as a leader?!" That boy is an absolute gem when it comes to leadership which he already proved several times in previous missions. I mean, he's the only participant that happened to be a leader in every single mission since he always ended up high in the rankings (and they were giving the leader positions to those) so imagine the pressure. I cannot believe JYP had the nerve to straight up say that his leadership was disappointing just because he didn't like the performance of his other members. He's the one that put those members into Tomoya's team in the first place! Since the beginning of part 2 he was teaming up Tomoya with much lower rated members in hopes he would help them rise, and when it didn't work like he hoped, he seriously made it seem like it was Tomoya's fault?
Yeah, I really wasn't a fan of that comment. I was (and still am) very much pissed off about that because I found that comment extremely unfair. That kid almost bleeds for his team every single time, but he just cannot bring the visibly weaker members up to his level. Don't get me wrong, he's a really good teacher and he has already proven to be able to help his members get better but he's no miracle maker and I can't believe JYP wanted and expected him to be (a 17? years old kid by that time, may I add!).
This episode made me even question if JYP liked the fact that Tomoya was chosen as the leader by absolutely everyone last episode. I wondered if he's suddenly trying to discredit him in favor of Haru as the final group leader (and this is nothing against Haru! he's also amazing leader, but to me, Tomoya has just something special, you know? and also you can't help but notice that Haru was always on that one strong team in each mission unlike Tomoya so you can't really compare their leadership when one of them gets great members all the time and the other gets the low-rated ones)... My other theory long before this one was that on contrary, he wants Tomoya as the final leader so he's testing him much harder than Haru by giving him "weaker" members and more difficult songs. But in that case, again, very unfair comment. I'm sooo proud of Tomoya and the response he gave though. I was really glad that he stood up for himself and his team and said that they put everything into it and couldn't do more. Because that's right! Hated the fact that it made Tomoya cry though. Anyway, let's move away from that otherwise I won't shut up about it. (Can you tell I'm still boiling because of it months later? :-D)
The ending of this episode really hurt and I couldn't handle all of the boys crying, especially all the trainees saying goodbye to Sodai. However, I was not surprised by the eliminated members. I actually had a pretty strong feeling that they would not make it based on JYP's comments and the rankings in all part 2. I wasn't surprised even by eliminated Sodai which surprised a lot of people back then, because unlike others, he just couldn't seem to fix the problems pointed out to him on several occasions, which really sucks because I definitely feel like JYP hoped he would fix them. I believe he really wanted him to debut because let's be honest, he really is a main vocalist material.
Performance wise, I definitely didn't think Tomoya's team was bad. While I agree that Haru's team was better (unsurprisingly considering who was in it), I think Tomoya's team did very well with such a difficult song (which was also relatively new at the time). As for Yuhi's team, although it had both Sodai and Taiga who didn't get to continue in it, I was very proud of them all because I was shocked when I heard they got to perform Hard Carry. Like seriously?! JYP really put them through it with that song. According to me, it's one of the most difficult songs he could've possibly picked, especially because of the choreography. It's incredibly intense and fast and even GOT7 sometimes struggled a little bit when they had to perform it because it really exhausts you a lot. (And I'm saying this with nothing but love because I LOVE GOT7. They are my second favorite group right after SKZ and they were actually the ones that brought me to kpop and later to SKZ. I once saw them perform a double speed version of Hard Carry on some variety show and yeah, they almost died.) I thought the boys did really good with such a difficult song, especially Yuhi killed it and I was glad he was recognized in the rankings. Their Hard Carry is actually another performance from this show that I regularly rewatch because I really love the song and especially Yuhi in it. (I still don't understand how exactly it happened because I feel like Yuhi didn't get much space in this show except for the last few episodes when he was the leader in two missions, but for some unknown reason I really grew to love him and he was my second favorite member right after Tomoya.)
Lastly, I'm really looking forward to next week. You will finally meet the complete group! Cannot wait! :-)
PS: I am so sorry for the length of this comment. This is how it turns out when I decide to express my annoyance once a year, lol. But I have a feeling the comment next week might be even longer since it's a finale and I'll be able to talk without worrying about spoilers. :D
Omgggg i love this. Hahhahahhaha. Thanks for sharing! ❤
Thanks for putting into words most of what I was thinking. I couldn’t have put it better myself. I was as po’d about this episode as I was during the Stray Kids survival show.
Again, pure torture. Watching those kids cry is way too difficult. My ancient heart can’t take much more of this. 😩
Very well said!!
You explain things very well!
And I totally agree with your thoughts on Tomoya’s experience.
The integrity and leadership he displayed made me respect him even more. He’s definitely being tested very hard. And I think he’s handled the pressure with good grace.
But yea, the end of this episode also wrecked me…
Looking forward to your thoughts for the final episode!!
As always, thanks for your reactions.
Tomoya is the best leader. He was born to be an idol. He was born to be a leader.
regardless of how star kids does for their performance ( I think they did wonderful, some lacking but overall enjoyable) I really respect Tomoya for standing up for his teammates and decide to stand his ground saying they practiced hard and no one regret it
also I was just like you, I think sodai will definitely make the group since he's the strongest vocalist in the show but nope I was so shocked
I gained even more of respect for Tomoya as well.
Sodai being cut broke my heart a little.. I keep seeing his goal of being the main vocal..
39:42 you were so right. The show has given him teammates that require so much attention to him in terms of skill. He keeps losing because of that but made him shine more eventhough he shines in every stage in his own way.
I also disagree with what He Said about moya being a Bad Leader Here Like wth do you meaaaaaan He did His best ffs😢❤
何回観てもやっぱり、一緒に泣きました😢
NIZI PRO 2 で、１番泣いた回でした...😭
当時、日本の視聴者は JYParkさんが、いつもTOMOYAに厳し過ぎる！との声が多かったです。
一方で HARU が いつも "AVENGERS💪TEAM" だったせいもあります。。
日本では 毎回 放送後に JYParkさんが コメントをする番組があり、その中で JYParkさんが話していたのですが、
「TOMOYA自身 は どんな課題を与えても 楽々、こなして来る。だからこそ TOMOYA には楽をさせてはいけない」と。
JYParkさんは TOMOYA の 実力や資質を知っているからこそ、エ－スとして、リーダーとして成長させたいと思ったのだと 今は理解しています。
でも当時は TOMOYAは まだ "trainee" であって " trainer" ではない！ と思い、 JYParkさんの辛辣な言葉、そして TOMOYA の「後悔は無い」という言葉に涙しました。
さて、いよいよ FINALですね！
彼らの成長の集大成を 一緒に楽しみたいと思います💕😊
I agree, I feel that he was too harsh on Tomoya.. Tomoya works so very hard and supports his groups well. I have so much respect that he stood by his group even after being criticized.
I’m excited for the finale and to support the group moving forward!
It's my fourth time watching this and i still cried😭
何回見ても泣ける😢
• (All for one) - Oh god, I love Yuhi's stage presence so so much. Sodai's voice is very clean and he has the potencial to be an amazing main vocalist. Eiji's dance is always very powerful, the song was perfect for him and Taiga's effort really shows, I also really liked his dance. Overall their performance was so good more than I expected💖
• (Star Kids) - Miraku did well in terms of his confidence, Sean did a decent job but I think his dancing lacks more precision, Yuki did very well but having a growing voice I feel like it didn't fit the song much, he still did a decent job in this performance and Tomoya as always shining in his perfomances, I really loved his stage presence and he was a good leader👏
Omgosh I didn't think they were going to eliminate three of them in this episode, I thought Sodai would still be on the show. I cried too much for his elimination, I really hope he can achieve his dream because he has GREAT potential, same for Taiga and Sean, I hope to see them in the future. 😞💙
Well, there are the last two episodes left to see the final group, I'm very excited. Whatever the result, I loved seeing all the effort and growth of the boys.
Yuhi is absolutely shining!!! And his team really did so well!
Tomoya’s team I feel did the best they could with what they had. And of course, Tomoya was awesome!
I wasn’t shocked by Taiga and Sean.. but Sodai shocked me. He really is so talented. I hope he keeps chasing his dream.
I’m looking forward to the finale!!
1st, I love your hair. 2nd, I cried with you. 3rd, can't wait for the final episodes! ❤
1- thank you!! ☺️
2- I’m glad I didn’t cry alone…
3- I am sooo excited and nervous!!
Yes, eliminating three was too much! I thought two at the most, but I am sure Sodai, Taiga, and Sean will continue to do their best and debut someday! Can't wait till next week's final episodes!
I really hope they all keep chasing their dream!! They have so much talent.
See you next week!!
JYP did say that ANYONE on the second and third place teams could be eliminated so it was in thier best interest to strive for first to guarantee a spot to move forward, though when I first watched this I was also a bit shocked we lost 3, I thought it would at most 2! I cried again with you watching this 😅 I CANT WAIT for your finale reaction and subsequent reactions to thier music and content
I really wasn’t expecting to lose 3.. that shocked me..
I’m excited to actually get to enjoy their music and content as a group!! ☺️
I think JYP is really testing the limits of Tomoya's leadership skills. But he must still consider that Tomoya can only push a member toward his limit, not beyond it, and if a member can't do it, it's not Tomoya's fault. Ken and Seita improved under his watch - even Yuki - because said members STILL CAN IMPROVE. But if guys like Miraku or Sean hit dead ends, Tomoya really can't do anything about it.
But what if you put Tomoya in a group with quality members? Put him alongside Haru, Yu and Yuhi? I think that would've been a different story. Heck, maybe if Sodai was given a chance to team up with him, his potential could've been unlocked.
Speaking of Sodai, I was sad he got cut - really thought he'd make it, being probably the best singer of the lot. Obviously he went the Yuna Route (or Gina, if you prefer A2k) - destined for greatness, but got lost along the way. Taiga also went the same route - the training just didn't produce the results. Sean has talent, but just doesn't seem coherent when in a group.
Next week is the 2-part finale, and you'll see the final line up. No spoilers, just a teaser: the last spot scenario will mirror both the finale of NPS1 and A2K, but the result will surprise you.
I do think the expectation on Tomoya was unfair. He was not a professional or a trainer at the time..
I will be extremely interested so see how he works with a more powerful group. It’s going to be incredible, I think.
I can see why the three of them got cut but it makes me sad… especially Sodai. I really hope he finds a place to use his talents.
Ohhh interesting!! I’m curious to see what happens!!
Yuhi is so amazing ❤
I'm so excited every weekend to see your reaction but the fellow episodes omg can't wait!
Tomoya got a bit of wake up call on his leadership today. I think why JYP cut 3 today was he realize Sodai and Taiga were not improving any mote as JYP Trainees. Next week I do have an issue with the finals.
Ahh I’ll be curious to see your thoughts on the final.
I love your hair!
Thank you!! ☺️
Skill gap =/= lack of team work. Like most have said, it was really cruel and unfair of JYP to unload such a great burden onto Tomoya and blame him for it, too. He had the lowest ranking members on his team while Haru literally had the highest ranking members. Wasn’t fair from the start, yet Star Kids performed very well for trainees and mere participants of a survival show.
Agree 100%
It was very unfair overall.. but it gave me even more respect for Tomoya’s character.
Again, JYP is so unfair with Tomoya. He always puts him in a group with low ranking team mates, and expects him to make the other members go beyond their limits. He's a GREAT LEADER. He tried hard, he thought of ways to help the others to improve. And SKZ songs are hell !! It's sooo difficult. And honestly, they did great. Sure, the Heart Hunter team was waayy better, but come on, look at the strong members in this team.
I think he was really unfair with Sodai and Taiga too. They improved, not as much as other members, but they did their best. I think JYP had already planned something in his head, and no matter how much these two would have improve, he will have something to criticize.
Third time watching this, and third time crying ! I can't, i love these boys !!! I was so shocked the first time, and it's always so hard to watch them crying and apologizing...
Can't wait for you to meet the final members, and to hear your thoughts about it. I have sooo much to say about the final episodes !!
I totally agree! He’s a phenomenal leader who keeps being put in a really tough positions. I feel like he’s being compared unfairly.
Yes exactly!! Covering SKZ is HARD. They did their best with it.
I really hope Sodai and Taiga get another chance at some point… they have so much talent..
this episode broke my heart a little.. I’m excited for the final but I’m also scared now…
매기 마리 스타일이 너무 매력적으로 좋아요 !
고마워요 🥰
지금 NEXZ의 색깔을 보면.. 충분히 이해가 가는 선택이었다고 느껴지네요..
Taiga는 유순하게 생기고.. 인생에서 가장 중요한 4년을.. 한국에서 연습생으로 살아왔는데..
어떻게 될지 참 걱정이 큽니다. 다음 Loud 팀에 들어갈지.. JYP를 나왔다는 말도 없고..
그의 행적에 대해서는 정보가 별로 없는거 같습니다. 어떻게든 JYP에 붙어있어야 합니다.
Wherever he is, I really hope Taiga is still chasing his dream. He has a lot of talent! ☺️
Sean TT WHY???
Sodai😭😭😭
I know… 😭
i can't wait for you to check the group after the show and also i hope you have time to also check xikers, i think you're gonna love them!