Why Heavily Back Leaning Trees Are EASY To Fell! - Shark Gill
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
- This video demonstrates the "shark gill" technique for felling a tree with a chainsaw. This method is known for providing maximum control and precision during the cutting process. By making a series of cuts along the back side of the tree, the shark gill technique allows the feller to guide the tree in a specific direction as it falls, reducing the risk of damage to surrounding property. This video is perfect for improving tree felling skills and increasing safety while working with a chainsaw.
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The video demonstrates the "shark gill" technique using a powerful and reliable Stihl MS 400 C-M chainsaw. This chainsaw is perfect for felling trees of all sizes and is equipped with a powerful 4.8 horsepower engine. I used a rope and pulley system to pull the tree down after cutting; this is an additional safety measure that allows for greater control over the direction of the tree fall. This technique not only makes the tree-cutting process more efficient but also makes it safer for the person cutting the tree. The video is a must-watch for anyone who wants to learn how to cut down a tree safely and efficiently.
0:00 The Facecut
0:31 Shaving sides
0:45 How to cut the shark gills
2:10 How the shark gill hinge works
2:18 The Backcut
03:04 Pulling the tree down
03:12 How the shark gill behaves when pulled and it is about to break
03:26 The result
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Very cool. When I was very young saw my father do this but didn't know what it was. Thank you for the detail! My only criticism is all of the cut branch debris at the base while you were cutting. Dad taught me to clear area so if something starts to go bad I wouldn't trip getting out of the way.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Thank you for that demonstration!
Thank you Gusty for commenting!
Just what I needed and will do for a large heavily leaning spruce near a highway. Thanx. Kiitti.
Excellent! Ole hyvä!
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Not learnin he just cuts. But yer ok
We all good after years thing is teach others n why not look at me.
@@julianalderson3938 Hi Juliana! Is there a way how I can make my videos better?
Thank you for commenting!
I have used this several times. Even when it's not critical, it is great to be able to control the falling rate with the multiple hinges. Great technique.
Nice! You are the first one!
What’s it for ?
If you compare it to a normal face cut where as soon as the acecut closes and the holding wood breaks, control of the tree is on its own. Using this technique, the layered hinges you create with the vertical cuts will hold longer and bend resulting in a longer, slower, more controlled felling of the stalk. In my limited experience, the longer you can control the stalk to the ground, the less risk to surrounding objects and the less turf damage. If you have a wide open area with nothing at risk of being g destroyed, this may be a waste of your time. It's definitely not for production driven jobs. Try it out. It's pretty enjoyable.
@@rickdebacker100 Longer/slower felling apt when your escape is not obstacle free. Llikely apt for a leaner I have in corner, juncture of 2 fences… wish plenty of time to escape. Also (guessing) guide ropes more effective on slower fell especially as some trunk rot adds an unknown, thus the guide-ropes for extra margin for error.
I agree@@gr8dvd
Ну если нужно свалить одно дерево, то можно и повыеживаться...если больше делать нечего.
Да, это предназначено только для особых случаев.
@@FINNISHLUMBERJACK Так, а чем этот способ отличается от обычного запила направленной валки под 30°-45°
Подскажите, пожалуйста)
@@Roman_Av как я понял таким образом удерживающая древесина становится более крепкой, и гибкой, от чего дерево дольше остаётся какбы на пеньке, точнее держится его, от чего и более контролируемо падение, меньше шансов что пойдет на сторону, или его покрутит, и оно упадет не туда куда хочешь
Когда делать нечего или нужно людям мозги засрать.
Такой метод подходит.
@@avdeos
Становится более крепкой и гибкой? Это за счёт чего происходят подобные... волшебные изменения свойств древесины?))
This was amazing to watch! Such smooth cuts and effortless control. I'm just learning to use a saw so these videos will certainly help
Don't use this cut, IMO.
Be safe
This guy uses good safety gear, I'd recommend it all.... I've not seen other videos from him, but this one was very interesting. Stick with the very basics at first. Don't mess with big trees, or ones near houses or power lines until you get really good.
What is the pulling portion of this? I would also appreciate showing the lean.
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You say, PUlling . With what??
Genius
Never heard of the technique before, is this practical or just something that tree surgeons came up with to make it look cool?
There are other techniques to leave the hinge wider. This is one of many, but definitely not just for surgeons...
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That will work on frozen timber.
I've used double sizwheel bore cuts to swing hard frozen spruce , aspen and birch. It's the best that can be done to strengthen frozen holding wood.
BUT
it's an easy way to get quite a barberchair if someone does it in the summertime when the holding wood is really strong.
Sounds like I need to retry this summer
@@FINNISHLUMBERJACK
Unless you have to Really have to swing a tree a long ways and are in a hurry. Like you are Bushlin, ( falling timber and only getting paid for the volume of timber you get on the ground and limbed and bucked. Or just tree length.
There is no reason to take that much time fooling around on the stump.
The Only thing those bore cuts do is make the holding wood stronger and gives the holding wood more time to pull a side leaning tree into the lay you have for it.
If you want to take a chance ripping a tree up the middle, having the butt run out behind the stump then fall off to one side or the other. Possibly from as much as 20 meters Up. . Go for it. Just so ya know that you will be taking a normally Dangerous job . And making it 4 times MORE Dangerous. With no benifit to be had.
The bore cuts like you did are useful with Frozen timber.
If you can get your timber to go where it needs to with just a wedge or 3. And normal conventional cuts. That is the better , safer and faster route to go.
@@glenurquhart2300 Thank you
I wouldn't do it with an ash. The saw appears to not be very sharp.
I am VERY impressed!
Thank you
Pařez lze definovat jako část stromu (zpravidla bázi kmene), která zůstává zakotvena kořeny v zemi. Standardní výška pařezu by měla být 1/3 průměru káceného stromu (měřeno na řezu). V případě náročných terénních podmínek lze ponechat i pařez přiměřeně vyšší.
Спасибо за идею.
Пожалуйста!
Very interesting technique 👍👀
Thank you
Interesting. Good work;)
Thank you!
very...very...interesting!
Cool technique. A lot of these hacks require quite a bit of technical saw work that is beyond many people who will try to use them.
Интересно, но большого смысла не имеет, а вот труда много требуется!
Я дуже згоден
It doesn't make sense until you are faced with a situation that may require it, so you'd definitely want to practice it when you didn't need it,or walk away when you are faced with this situation and let someone else do the work,or come back at a later date with proper gear and machine@@user-xy7el4iw5n
Awesome
Lot of job for a small tree..
But very creative !
Cool man
Thank you, the technique is designed for difficult back leaners
Not sure of ideal use case here, but creative. Seems like a standard cut would have worked as well?
Yes, this was a demonstration on a tree standing tall. The cut is designed for back leaning trees 🌲
Then do it on a back leaning tree so we can see how it works. Why are you using the plunge cuts? The deep cut right behind the wedge cut how does that work? Would have thought it creates a barber pole.
I will, just a moment.
😂 try that nonsence on a 100ft Mtn ash here in aus will slab out an an tear you in half ☠️
Never saw this technique. But I'm concerned how many times you stumbled on the debris around the tree.
Thank you
Yeah, first thing I noticed, too. If something starts to go wrong and you need to get away from the tree in a hurry, that mess at the base of the tree could very easily trip you up (especially with snow on the ground) and you are suddenly at the mercy of where the tree decides to fall. Take the time to clean all around the tree, especially where you are cutting, and know exactly where you are going to get out of harm's way if things go south on you. What this man should have said instead of a snarky "Thank you" is "You are exactly right. I should have removed all the cut branches from around the base of the tree. Thank you for pointing that out to everybody." Cutting down large trees is inherently dangerous work. Anybody who posts videos on "how to do it" should do their best to show the correct and safest way from start to Finnish.
Home owners 😂😂😂
That stuff was only in front it seemed...didn’t appear to impact his primary escape route
@chickenlegs yeah no kidding... there won’t always be perfect cutting situations...
Nice work, great job. The video would be enhanced by standing back and showing the viewers the lean of the tree. Apart from that, a great explanation of your cuts.
This is pretty interesting. Is there more, or less of a chance of the tree breaking off the hinge before it starts to fall?
Much less of a chance. The relief bore cuts basically make the holding wood stronger. Or better described as more flexible. They allow the tree to stay under the control of the face for a longer period of time. And give the holding wood the strength to overcome side lean.
Couldn't say it better, thank you!
@@glenurquhart2300 Gotcha, Thank you Glen.
Basically adding hinge wood layers
William; The thing to keep in mind is slowing the fall of a tree often has a huge effect on other things.
It's easier to cause a barber chair with the added strength of the holding wood.
The other thing is. It's pretty easy to pull half of the stump out of the ground with sizwheel swing cuts and these relief bore cuts.
It's best to gain experience with them out on your strip when production falling timber. Or at least out in the woods.
This Shark Gill method is a great thing to know and have available for the right situations. But experience using it is important to gain in a place where something won't get smashed, killed or destroyed if something goes a bit different.
For residential work, I'm a Big fan of climbing and rigging pulling and or pendelum lines . Or shooting a line up into the tree with a Big Shot or something, and pulling the rigging lines up from the ground.
But , if you Got It and know that you can do it, free falling using techniques like this is a viable solution.
Спасибо, дельный практичный метод, надо попробовать, но почему на уровне пояса, там пень под метр высотой?
Спасибо, он обрезан высоко только для демонстрационных целей. Я сделал еще один разрез, чтобы обрезать пень меньше.
@@FINNISHLUMBERJACK 🤝👍
Да..нефига с такой скоростью незаработаешь
Нет, вы не правы. Это дерево только для немногих профессионалов
What's the advantage of this technique, specifically with a back leaner, vs a traditional back cut with wedges and a line? It's not as if the traditional method is lacking in control.
Well, it definitely takes longer and burns more saw gas, if that's what a guy is after.
I prefer back cut first on trees with a back lean. However this method appears to allow you to leave more holding wood so when you put your face cut in first the tree doesn't sit back on your saw when you start your back cut. So you cut up to that first vertical bore and wedge instead of cutting up to your traditional holding wood. When out there cutting, you don't always have a line available.
Отличный способ валки👍👍👍
Super pařez :)
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what exactly is the gill right on the face cut for?
rule number one cleanliness at the workplace
#1
Different. Does that work well on hardwoods also ??
Yes it does, but you should cut the vertical cuts taller to avoid the wood braking. Softer trees are more flexible
Intressant. 👍🏻
😃👍🏻👍🏻 tackar
Interesting, I have never seen this technique used. At one point it looked like it was splitting vertically and I thought it might Barber chair.
Here is a video where I'm using a tailored version of the shark gill on a tree removal job: czcams.com/video/7ja_s503iHw/video.html
@@FINNISHLUMBERJACK thanks, I'll watch it for sure
After my first barber chair experience, I now throw a logging chain around the trunk just above the cut making it impossible to split beyond the diameter of the chain placement.
@@rickdebacker100 great idea
Молодец, отличная работа!
Большое спасибо!
Interesting 🤔 Cant say I've ever seen those cuts before. How far back was the tree leaning? I take it the tree was roped up before you starting cutting? Looked pretty cool 😎
The tree was standing straight, it was easier to film the cutting on a straight tree.
Interesting technique! But for heavy back-leaners. Why not save a "safe corner" and drive 2-3 wedges and then release the corner. Is this not a bigger risk to split "barberchair" when doing a back cut? 🙂
That is a good point, and another way to solve this problem
I was thinking the same thing. I don't cut trees for a living but as soon as I saw the back cut, I said to myself, that looks like a recipe for a barber chair.
I use this cut to bind a side leaned tree to the lay. But you need to bore cut the center of the hinge to keep the barberchair from traveling.
The guy who's been making it popular hasn't had any problems with chairs, he uses it for residential tree work.
@Brett Black just got to pay attention bore cuts aren't really something you do safely and efficiently without practice
Good way to get some overtime
Skilled tradesman.
Silly thing is...
this video is one the greatest examples I've seen of drawing comments out of know-it-alls without a clue.
Lol.
That is the end state for many of my videos
Why do you use this technique instead of the regular bore cut & back release? Marc, Quebec, Canada 🇨🇦 Thanks!
I believe this cut is for trees leaning in the opposite direction you want them to fall. That why it was pulled over.
Nice
Thanks!
The branches lying around in the working and escape area contradict all safety efforts.
In the forest, this technique is economic nonsense.
In built-up areas and near roads it may have its justification. Also, in dry or minimally rotten wood, it could still provide higher guidance in the desired direction.
You are right
I’ve never cut frozen wood but seems like it would be faster just to drop it but I live in the south and we mostly cut hardwood or softwood and I’ve actually seen people cut their front cuts differently than we do so I guess it’s just what you prefer or works for you 🤷🏼♂️
Thanks for commenting, this is a demonstration of a special technique for back-leaning trees
We just throw ropes up into them and pull if it’s not around anything
Me too, in this sunday's video I'm using two lines to pull the tree down, and I'm using the Shark Gill in action
Never had seen this before. Too bad i don't have a land clearing job where i could practice it a bunch.
Didn’t look like it had all that much lean, but there certainly was a lot of holding wood available for a considerable amount of movement.
You can do this only on certain species and if its perfectly sound and alive, I would think.
Lots of badasses and experts here. Lots.
Yeah, we're tired of pulling trees off kids and parents.
Lots of idiots who spew immature vulgarity like badass.
@@bryandale7125 sounds like you need your profanity filter turned on.
Despite all the many knowalls on here,who can't keep their cake holes shut " U DONE A MAGNIFICENTJOB !"
Thank you very much Gunter! I appreciate your feedback a lot! People have hard time to see the forest instead of the trees ( a Finnish saying)
Hyvä Jouni! 💪🏻🎅🏻🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮
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So did you use a winch or come along, because I think you had to pull that tree over?
Let me show you: czcams.com/video/xz8dYR_yNzU/video.html
That's pretty damn cool there Simo. I still occasionally try the tongue and groove when it doesn't matter. But I think currently I'm at 2-9 loosing streak. Very good video you make it look easy.
Thank you! I just filmed a new version of the Tongue & Groove, and I failed ⅔ so I feel you. Practise makes you perfect!
how much lean was in this? i dont think anything less than 75 degrees will work with out a pull rope
almost 0, to help the video shooting
As long Every one is safe and happy its ok for me. Maybe it take a more time..
Nice to see a new way to felling tree though
Thank you Roger!
I don’t know if I’d consider this a heavy back leaner. I’d love to see it in action
What about if the tree is hollow inside? Is it still a safe method?
No
Mikä on tuossa ylimmän pysty sahauksen tarkoitus ? ylin pystysahaus jää kaatuvaan puuhun eikä edes jousta koska kaatosahaus on alareunasta, tulisi joustoa kaatoon jos sahaisi yläreunasta .
Se juuri mahollistaa paksumman pitopuun, tai oikeastaan siis keskimmäinen, korkeus ei ole niin olennainen, vaan että pitopuu on keskeltä halki, jolloin se on ontto ja mahdollistaa taipumisen.
@@FINNISHLUMBERJACK Kyllä joo, mutta puuhan taipuu vain alempien pystysahauksien osalta, jos kaatosahaus olisi ylimmän pystysahauksen yläreunasta jolloin joustoa olisi enemmän, kaatuisiko ollenkaan?
@@tio4672 Itseasiassa kaatosahauksen korkeudella ei ole mitään merkitystä, onko se viimeisen pystysahauksen ylä- vai alareunasta. Jos katsot filmiä, näät miten se lähtee lohkeemaan pitkittäin umpipuuhun, tärkein tässä on tuo keskimmäinen sahaus ja tässä se olisi näyttänyt mekanismin paremmin, jos se olisi ollut korkeampi tai vähän alempana. Mut näähän selvii jokaiselle, ku vaan kokeilee ja kattoo, miten mikäkii toimii.
Looks like quite a faff, and im left not being quite sure what the advantage was? Maybe i shouldn't be telling trees, but It looked to me as if the tree would have gone over quite nicely with a normal mouth cut.
The video was to show the cutting technique and the behavior of the hinge.
Kiitos
Ole hyvä 👍🏻
Nice Video!!!
Thank you!
Can you do another video of this with a tree that has a REAL back lean over a mansion?
dude take 15 seconds and clear those tripping hazards
They kept me from falling into the snow, and slipping
Куда наклонено было туда и свалил,так и без клина можно свалить,чего пень такой высокий оставил?покажите способ как свалить в другую сторону от наклона без приспособ всяких одной пилой
Легче прицелиться и показать тебе с более высоким пеньком
Aika erikoistapaus pitää ollaa,että semmoista rupeaisin tekemään.Mutta Jounilla onnistui hyviin👍🏻
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Too advanced?
This is a great idea!
I'll use this during the next days to train my skills!
Thank you, sir!
Thank you Michael!
What's the point if you're using a come a long anyway? Just leave a decent amount of hinge wood and pull it over. No need to make it more difficult than it needs to be. I personally can't see an advantage to using this style of cut when you're using something that's going to pull the tree the direction you're planning.
木の状況によっては裂けて事故に繋がるので気をつけてください！
Byl jsem 40 let v lese.....tohle jsem ještě neviděl
Kdo to tam ten příspěvek dal je naprosto Matěj
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Is this to slow the the fall?
The main point is to maximize the thickness of the hinge. That gives the feller the maximum directional control to pull the back leaning tree down
Não consigo ver as vantagens nessa maneira de cortar a madeira
É projetado para árvores inclinadas para trás
Looking to me, like trying to create a greater chance of a barber chair and losing part of the saw log.
In Finland the Barberchairing is a issue onlyu when the trees are hard frozen. Othervise the wood is soft on most cases
Eine sehr gute Methode ist auch die von den Bayrischen Staatsforsten gezeigte, sie ist sehr sicher und auch einfacher um zusetzten meiner Meinung nach, die hier gezeigte Methode benötigt auch noch eine Seilwinde oder ähnliches. Die Sicherheitsfälltechnik wird sehr gut erklär in diesem Video: czcams.com/video/44oIX1ADA8E/video.html (und auch noch in bayrisch .💪😅
Sauber gefällt, klappt das auch bei einem um 90Grad zur Seite Hänger?
Es kommt darauf an, wie viel Zugkraft du zur Verfügung hast
@@FINNISHLUMBERJACK Zugkraft in Fallrichtung oder etwas seitlich entgegen der Richtung in die der Baum hängt?
I guess. I'm back cutting and wedging. Especially pine
"learned" that leaving the branches where you have to walk around is pro...... Hello carelessness, goodbye safety!
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А как же бабушки? Как на таком пеньке сидеть?
😄
Вам кажется, что наши бабушки выше ваших?
neat looking but if the tree is being "pulled over" I'm not sure how this cut is specially designed to fell back leaning trees. either way it would appear that the wedge and whatever is hooked to the tree is overcoming the back lean, and not these vertical cuts. I could see this being useful for a tree with a questionable core. This could leave multiple hinge points where a single hinge might break earlier than anticipated if it wasn't solid in the middle.
Takes some control and confidence to use the tip of the saw 😅
Oh yes, you need to know what you’re doing
Chcel by som to vidieť v praxi kde človek ledva stojí v kopci že ako dlho by ho to bavilo robiť 🤔 a nie na rovinách sa hrať s kahancom čo ledva reže 😂
Nie je určený pre každú situáciu...
Well done but u didn’t show pounding the wedge in. We seen it fall off the back side . Still impressed
I like the part where it shows us the exact amount of back lean it had.
Perfect for initiating barber chair
What is the most common Tree to barberchair there?
@Finnish Lumberjack not sure, but I witnessed a black cherry have a pretty significant barberchair once.
@@bryanbabb5185 Barberchairing isn't very common here. I'm struggling to make a demo video about it because I have to force it.
@Finnish Lumberjack I don't think it happens often, but I try to do things to help avoid it
Yes, risk management is very important in our business
First I would like to say I can dig it, and will most definitely play around with it when I can pick up a saw again. I have worked with saws professionally for many years but my no means do I act like I know everything. I almost always annoy any people when I first start to work with them because I ask everyone questions to keep learning things I don’t know I don’t know.
That being said, wouldn’t this be horrible for a new or home owner working on something stringy like an alder. I did catch the advanced part. But regardless I feel like someone could hurt themselves in a hurry if it became a barber chair.
I just imagine someone trying to figure out the best way to take down their own problem tree with a bad lean or simply not understanding physics and see this and get some bad ideas. Maybe a sick tree or one with a heavy side splitting at a plunge site and turning the saw guy into a shish-kabob.
No?
If so, cool. No hate. Just asking. Lol.
Thanks for the upload. Fun content.
Thank you!
I agree, this is not for a rookie chainsaw handler. The cut is designed for situations when you need the hinge to be double wide. Most of those cases are for professionals only.
Thank you for commenting, you have excellent points!
Not sure if it was camera angle or not, but that tree was so heavily leaning back that I couldn’t tell it wasn’t leaning forward.
I don't understand why you got more control
May I know why the gilles?
To give flexibility
This technique with anything harder than spruce and ever so slightly oversized hinge is perfect way to create barberchairs. Even this one was at the verge of splitting upwards. If you have the winch anyway, I wouldn't waste time. I always just set the rope, tension it moderately, depending on the situation either standard of humboldt notch and borecut to finish, setting some safety wedges while going, just in case the lean is too much for the rope or something else I overlooked. And it also needs lot more pull strength to get that hinge going, it's quite thick.. All and all nice clean cut, but I don't see the advantages, sorry..
Really nice control of the saw cuts, but didn't see the need for complexity.. why not just a good deep face cut followed by a plunge cut and release from the Back.
Мастерски!
If you have to winch it vertical against the lean anyway, the extra cuts and hinges seem a waste of time. Wedges on the back cut and a winch would do the job anyway
This technique is made for the situations when those normal routines don't work, or they are too risky.
Ну, якщо за високі пеньки не накладають штрафні санкції, то можливо
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How come the other side showed two cuts not three?
Способ чисто для лесных маньяков, чтобы дольше мучить дерево.
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Для чего так извращаться ,Я так и не понял, первое долго, второе пень оставил очень высокий,и самое главное рвёт древесину,метр на выброс.
Техника предназначена для наклоненных назад деревьев.
@@FINNISHLUMBERJACK Добрый вечер, очень интересно,а если сильно наклонен ствол дерева то этот метод не подойдёт, может зажать шину при пилении вертикальных пропилов,а если удастся их пропилить ,при пилении с задней стороны большая вероятность расщепления древесины,а это очень опасно, берегите себя,всех благ.
That's a good way to have the tree barber chair on you really easily. Do not try that on really tall standing trees with a lean to it
Yes, but only in some cases
You almost had a barber chair there, if you use often this you"ll have
А кто и когда провозгласил данный "танец с бубном" лучшим методом?
Я сделал, для особых случаев
only problem of this is it takes too long time and if you cut every tree like this you will lose 2-3x more time and that means you could cutt 2-3x more trees for same time
Imate puno slobodnog vremena da se igrate sa masinom!
"slobodno vrijeme"
Why do you shave the sides?