The Solution Offset Vs. Workhorse Pits (1975 & 1969)
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- Which is better? Take a deep dive with Smoke Master D comparing the features of the Solution Offset Smoker from Jeremy Yoder at Mad Scientist BBQ CZcams Channel and the Workhorse Pits 1969 and 1975 offset smokers.
Chapter Times
00:00 Opening
00:18 Price
01:15 Maps
03:09 Cooking Grates
03:52 $/in2
04:12 Metal Thickness
05:36 Weight
05:56 $/lb
06:22 Airflow/Heat Distribution
10:24 Back Door
10:47 Counterweight
14:32 Protective Coat
16:07 Lead Time
16:56 My Thoughts
18:39 Outro
Appreciate the shout out as usual, thank you!
Mate thank you for your review all the way from the UK. Good to see reviews on WHP coming through. Waiting for my Workhorse to arrive this side of the pond soon. Keep up the good work
I have a 1969 Workhorse. I was blown away how easy it was to maintain 250-275 on my breakin run. Yes watching smoke scouts channel helped me understand how important the damper is.
This debate behooves the saying, "The proof of the pudding is in the eating." The bottom line is face-to-face cookoffs and the results. As for the technical differences, the cowboy firebox is more important than just for a place to grill steaks. It is an easier way of cleaning the firebox, as you rightly pointed out, but it is also an instant heat relief if your fire gets out of hand. The foldable smokestack on the Workhorse pit is also a bonus. But I'll give Jeremy his due. He has cut bells and whistles, but he has also cut the price to see if he can convince people to give up the bells and whistles. Only time will tell.
Thank you for the information 💯😎
I went with the 1975. Had it narrowed down to the 1975, Blue Smoke, and the Solution. The wagon option and lead time were the main factors that influenced my decision.
I think time and info from other CZcams videos will help settle the solution offset where it should be (in front of or behind the WHP). I would still love to own a WHP, but don’t think I can afford one anymore. Especially with shipping costs. Which bums me out bc I’ve been drooling over them for several years and slowly saving.
Watch my episode on whether the 1975 is still king and look at some of the budget options. There's still a smoker for you that will preform the way you want
Oh I’ve seen that. Blue smoke smokers is about 45 min from me. I visited them not long after the release of one of your videos and Phil showed me around and talked to me for about an hour. I’m leaning that direction but still need to save.
Here in Idaho cooking wood is much more expensive, so the 1969’s greater efficiency put it in first place.
I have my name down for the Solution. Once the down payment is in they said about 4 weeks till it’s ready to go. They’ve had some storm related issues that have put them about two weeks behind. Hoping to have one by August. Frank and Lisa Cox have been very helpful and I’m fortunate to about 2.5 hours from the facility so no shipping for me.
My 120 gallon is 3/16 and the fire box is 1/4. I have no issues with retention.
The Solution looks great and I think it's fantastic to have a quality offset at that price range.. Right now I see the WHP 1975 at $3,597. I got mine about a year and a half ago (ordered 2 years ago, was a long wait back then) with the base price of around $2,700-$2,800 (I then added the top rack, cowboy firebox, and the cover for another $500 ish) so it's good to see something else fill that void of where the WHP used to be price wise. Very nearly got a Fatstack 120, so glad I didn't go that route (so sorry for those that got screwed on that). I love my WHP 1975. I wasn't sure if I'd use the cowboy firebox but god do I love it. Even just to make setting up wood easier and less bending over it's so nice and every once in a while if I'm smoking I figure might as well cook on the grill there (I have a Lone Star Grillz 60" Santa Maria so I'll charcoal or wood grill on that usually, but if I'm already smoking and want to sear something off or cook burgers while I wait for the meat to smoke it's a great convenient option. A really nice option. Also that top rack has come in handy before, especially if you decide to put a water pan in that will eat up space.
None of that is needed so I think you can't go wrong with the Solution, but if as long as I had the money I'd go the WHP 1975 personally. Though if saving that money is mission critical then you aren't losing out on much and in the end it feels like most smokers will kick out amazing food as long as you learn that specific smoker.
One thing I'll add is the shipping from Workhorse was top notch. I went with their internal shipping which was only $600 to ship all the way over here to Arizona (about $300-$500 cheaper than freight would have been). Not only that it came flawlessly and they had said that it would only be dropped off on my driveway but the guys delivering it were not only the nicest people ever but they insisted on rolling it to my back patio.
That seems like a small thing but since then I had three massive cookers freighted from Lone Star Grillz. A 42" pellet grill, 60" santa maria grill, and a large vertical insulated cabinet. They did a major number on the pellet grill. It wasn't obvious until I uncrated it but some gouges throughout and even worse they managed to bend the whole hopper assembly mounted to the body. Considering how well this thing was built and crated they must have dropped it or had something ram it hard or something, don't really know how they pulled that off. Lone Star Grillz was fantastic and shipped me a new hopper assembly and some paint and I swapped it all out etc... but really learned why people are always scared of freight shipping. So if you're paranoid about that sort of thing the Workhorse internal shipping is a fantastic option and for me was cheaper.
you make a good point, I have a 1975 I bought used at a good price 7 months ago with no cowboy grill. I never really thought I would use the cowboy grill but it would be handy for setting up wood at times. Otherwise I do enjoy it, glad you love yours!
I keep leaning towards the WHP products. The folding stack, 3/8" steel, fit and finish appeal to me.
Purchased the 1975 wagon. It let me choose the weighted door.
I was wondering if the solution scoop moved. It had L shaped angle feet. The stich welding on the solution door is probably to keep price down. Solution frame front to back dimensions might be important to get through narrow gate.
It does move. It's completely adjustable. I talked to Frank about them putting it on a slide with a rod and knob (to move while cooking), but it would increase the price too much and most people would just settle it where they like and keep it there all the time anyways.
My question - if i could see the alternatives clearly, would be why not buy a kettle for burgers, steaks, etc, and purchase an upright, dedicated smoker........for smokin'? So, why buy an expensive, heavy offset to do both jobs - steaks 'n burgers, and smokin' briskets & pork butts, when a kettle, and an upright will do both jobs, do them separately, simultaneously, and do them more efficuantly? "All-in-one" doesnt always mean better, eh?
You could certainly do it that way. The one thing offset smokers have over uprights is better convection (airflow going over the meat) than most other kinds of smokers. That's why a lot of people think they make the nest indirect heat bbq.
What are the thoughts on the new old country g2 in this comparison? After long debating these i ended up buying the g2.
I will be discussing the G2 in my next vide. So stay tuned! 😊
Thickness of cook chamber only matters when it's cool outside. In my opinion, the thickness of the fire box is what is most important for longevity of the smoker. I prefer a 1/4" cook chamber with a 3/8" fire box.
Interesting that you say that. Watch my next episode.
Heating the exterior is not required when applying boiled linseed oil? This is news to me. In fact, JD even used a torch in a WH video showing how to touch up the finish. This is excellent news, if true!
I got my 1975 last November. I was just thinking yesterday about applying a new coat of linseed oil before winter. I've been just using PAM on the firebox when it's rip roaring hot during cooks in the meantime.
For things that you don’t heat up naturally it helps a lot. learned that off of Frank Cox of Smokerplans.com. So far it's worked out pretty well for me.
I am debating on the Solution, Workhorse 1975 price to my door Is high enough I would rather pay a little more to get a double door 150 gallon from a builder near me...
WH 1975w
Lead time is not 6 weeks for the workhorse.
I am only going off their website. If you know specifics about lead time being different for new orders, please share those details.
Something that would make these videos great would be seeing the actual smokers in action. Even if it’s other videos with credit
Also, and most importantly, almost 20 minutes for you to say “I don’t know”?? Wtf man.
It's the truth. BTW, which way would you go?
I don’t believe he mentioned anything about coolers. 😂
@@SmokeMasterD Workhorse all the way