Saturn V "Modified Launch Vehicle"
Vložit
- čas přidán 9. 04. 2024
- The Saturn MLV was a proposed concept family of rockets, intended as a follow-on to the Saturn V. MLV stands for "Modified Launch Vehicle".
Vehicle configurations representative of several alternative uprating methods were specified by the Marshall Space Flight Center for initial studies.
Proposed modifications
Thrust uprating and modifying of the five F-1 rocket engines used in the first S-IC stage, and corresponding increases in propellant tank capacities.
Addition of a sixth F-1 engine in the S-IC stage, as an alternative to engine uprating, plus increased propellant capacities.
Use of UA1205 solid rocket boosters derived from the Titan IIIC vehicle.
Additional J-2 engines in the S-II stage, ~131 s increased upper stage propellant capacities.
Improved or advanced upper stage engines, such as the HG-3, plus increased propellant capacities.
The baseline Saturn MLV would incorporate these changes from the Saturn V vehicle. The Saturn IC first stage would have been stretched 240 inches (610 cm) with 2,500,000 kg (5,600,000 lb) of propellant and five new F-1A engines; the S-II second stage would have been stretched 41 inches (100 cm) with 450,000 kg (1,000,000 lb) of propellant and five J-2 engines; the S-IVB third stage would have been strengthened, but with a standard 100,000 kg (230,000 lb) of propellant, and one J-2 engine. Nuclear propulsion in the third stage and toroidal J-2 engines in the second and third stages were also investigated. - Věda a technologie
An interesting curiosity, this rocket was developed for the "Mars Voyage" project, the first manned US mission to Mars written by Stephen Baxter
I’m a fan of Stephen Baxter’s work and his «Voyage» is my favorite - well worth a read for HGA fans. Even better - a miniseries, similar to «For All Mankind» but with an endpoint, the Mars landing. This would surely be a hit (in my alternate universe) - gripping plot, complex characters, and a vision of what might have been.
It's nice to imagine the Jamestown base in For all mankind was launched on top of this
Who says it didn’t
I was launched on Sea Dragon I’m pretty sure
@@grandoceaniclinesrblx8772Sea Dragon didn’t debut until 1977, while Jamestown launched at October of 1973
It’s possible it was launched from a modified Saturn V with a fairing structure similar to Atlas-Agena
For all mankind was a great show until it became less about the Human conquest of space and more about "social" issues.
@@4DCResinSmoker eh, at least none of it was in-your-face unlike ST Discovery or any modern Disney movie
Even the fingerprints are visible on the glass of the engineering camera! Insane attention to detail!
Very nicely done!
I particularly like these videos where the render is so well combined with archival video, you've done an excellent job matching the look of the film.
I love those guys milling around at the gate at the start of the video ... !
Glad to see how you combined the white-orange flame and smoke of the solid rocket boosters with the blueish flame of the LOX/Kerosene F1 engines from the original Saturn V launch footage.
Yes, the video captures the first stage ascent well, but the plumes from the second stage engines should be transparent and therefore invisible from the side at altitude, assuming that they were burning hydrolox as the J-2s did. The engine bells themselves would glow blueish white as seen from the back. Also why is the third stage the same diameter as the second? I know some thought was given to stacking two S-II stages onto an uprated Saturn V, perhaps with some modifications to those stages.
Actually kerolox exhaust plumes (incl. F-1s') are very similar in color(white/yellow) as the solid rocket motors', with the only difference being that solid rocket motors leave behind a much thicker exhaust trail while kerolox engines only leave a much fainter condensation trail. Blue/purpleish exhaust plumes mostly occur with hydrolox(with some exceptions like the RS-68), methalox or hypergolic propellants.
This would have been at least 10 times better than the STS we ended up with. :(
Nice! Sat V hot staging. If Wernher von Braun could see this video now....🤯
No, that wasn't a hot-staging, as the Saturn rockets were never designed for that. That fireball was actually the ullage motors at the base of the 2nd stage firing during staging, just like the original Saturn V did
The renders keep getting more and more realistic! Keep it up!
I imagine this is what the Apollo program would’ve ended up becoming if budget restraints weren’t a thing
Dwayne chéri tu seras toujours le plus merveilleux mon amour ...
This is really one of your best yet. It's so awesome seeing you get better and better.
Keep these coming! Your work is above and beyond!
hot staging on a saturn rocket loos amazing
I was going to say "Did they hot stage?" I guess so!
Did they hot stage, though?
how did they hotstage without a ring with holes to disperse the exhaust from the second-stage engines?
I think you are confusing the ullage motors firing with the effect seen during hotstaging
Wasnt hot staging. First stage engines were shown shutting down before second stage ignition.
@@motokid6008 Interesting - is that the definition of hot staging? I assumed it meant lighting the second stage without separating stages first.
I stop whatever I'm doing when I see a new Hazegrayart drop. Never disappoints.
The triumph of human thought!
Торжество человеческой мысли!
beautiful mate, best one yet
You should try out the different Saturn 5 NASA program designs. One for cargo, just the crews only, etc.
Wonderful! Great concept!
I was hoping to see the Nerva stage up top, but great stuff either way!
Interesting video. I like how the staff were looking like they were feeling the Florida heat about 00:25 in. What kinds of payloads would these Saturn V MLV have been capable of realistically. Thought I read that with a nuclear upper stage about 60+ metric tonnes could have been placed in lunar orbit?
Excellent video! Great stereo effects in the audio!
AWESOME work!
These animations are so epic! 😎
Multiple MLVs existed, each with different characteristics. I think this is the Saturn MLV-V-4(S)-A, using 4 UA1205 Titan SRBs.
Or this could the slightly smaller Saturn MLV-V-4(S) which would've featured a standard Saturn V core which differed from the A's taller, uprated core. Then there's also the B variant which was the A's uprated core augmented with the larger UA1207s(the ones on the Titan IVA), and it was likely the principal launcher featured in Stephen Baxter's novel "Voyage".
@@jmwoods190 Perhaps
Great work. I love the Thunderbirds vibe.
I feel cheated that we get no payload shot. The blend with archive was fun.
Imagine the lifting capability if two first stage S1c's were stacked together. That's over 15 million pounds of thrust!
This was featured in Mac's New Horizon Addon for BR-Apollo pack for Spaceflight Simulator
Awesome man!! Looks like you saw the comment on the last video...or it was an amazing coincidence that you were working on this.
I'd love to see that thing launch a Pilgrim Observer.
i have some pretty cool Saturn derived vehicles for my alternate history RP1 playthrough in KSP RSSRO and one of them looks exactly like this
So good
This goes hard af
I got on a Venus flyby kick, and I think if they had done it, it would have been "dry" instead of "wet" and would have needed something like this to launch the whole stack. Thanks for the video. Nice job.
Yeah, but the crew would probably have e been killed by solar radiation if they had launched when planned IIRC. Something about a solar maximum during 1972 or smth.
@@Orion-CSAT Then "in reality" it wouldn't have launched that year.
@@TheCNYMike They didn't know at the moment, I think they realized in the 80s or something. I have no citations for this, I just read it somewhere. So don't take my word for it.
Cheers, a nice one 👍💪✌
haze gray art Don't think we didn't notice the two stock workers walking lazily on the road next to the rocket launcher.🤣
Dwayne mon merveilleux amour Je t'aime si fort chéri
Love so lifftof with u Dwayne Elliot chéri
Saturn V is so stunning so brillant so powerful and especialy so moving like u Dwayne Elliot chéri ...
AMAZINGNES!!!
1:55 mark. Very amazing shot
nice, very jam handy
I really love humanitys aspect of "This Rock is nice, lets get to this other Rock that we cannot breathe on..." and that isnt meant sarcastic.
Any civilization would have to do that if another rock could destroy their rock at any time
More like “This Rock is nice, that Rock is also cool, this other Rock can tell us so much about how our own Rock was formed, and that Rock over there is just really weird and we want to figure out how it works…” and so on.
Humans are really enthusiastic rock collectors, and I find that rather endearing.
Wow.... 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Wonderful!
As a model builder, I couldn't help but think that this could be the launch vehicle that puts the interplanetary Pilgrim Observer spacecraft, (designed by aerospace engineer G. Harry Stein for MPC in 1970, and recently reissued by Round 2 Models in 2011,) in orbit. The model kit came with a pamphlet that mentioned an "Uprated Saturn V" as the launch vehicle, but offered no drawings. The aerodynamic shroud at the top of your digital model even looks like the one included in the kit to display it in launch configuration. Please consider making a follow-up video showing this iconic hypothetical space model kit as the payload.
Thanks for posting this!
594th like.
What rendering computer do you have?
Когда я слышу и вижу стилизацию под ту или иную эпоху, я ощущаю, что все нации одинаковы, называют ли они себя "диктатурой" или "демократией". Всегда в любом случае их объединяют общие между странами нравы эпохи. Если бы я посмотрел запуск ракеты КНДР 1960-ых годов, я увидел и услышал бы то же самое.
A shame that this didn't get to happen.
Why the heck is hov screwing around eith chem rockets when the dpace Force. Has anti grav big black triangles???
👏
New Hazegrayart video? Click on the thumbnail and then click like and THEN look at the video... Because you KNOW you're in for a ride :)
Thanks again!
Your skills grow every year!
Did you see elon musk retweeted your Falcon launch frequency video from a few years back?
No interstage?
Well, I was hoping to see what the massive payload was that gave this monster such a low TWR with all that booster thrust. Magnificent depiction, I guess it was just a test mass made out of tungsten or something. ;)
AFAIK, mass simulators are usually just tanks full of water. Relatively heavy, and quite cheap. Esp. when you're launching next to an ocean and could theoretically just suck up a ton of ocean. IDK if that's what they do, but they could.
2:37 - You didn't show the S-IC's retro-rockets firing.
A Starship!
Who made the design?
@hazegrayart made it. He totally rockets.😅
The Saturn MLV were 1960s study from Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama
You needed more transparency on the smoke effects at ignition (you should be able to see light coming from the hot gases inside the clouds) and to match the scratches on the rest of the footage. Otherwise, excellent!
Wait the boosters have their own little rocket?
I looked up your videos i would find a saturn v video to look up this version because i forgot how to write saturn
More realistic concept family of Saturn MLV rockets.
Thank You
Is The Modified Saturn V Reusable?
No, was expendable
Not this design but there were other proposals to reuse the first stage. In fact, Hazegrayart has another video that shows a proposal to use a gigantic helicopter to catch the Saturn first stage and take it back to KSC for refurbishment.
The Helicopter was Hiller proposal for reuse
Rockwell and Boeing had reuse proposal with Wings and jet engines to fly Saturn I-IC back to launch site
first studies in 1962 later refine for 1970s Shuttle program als Flyback 1, but budget cuts let the solid booster design
I don't how this guy create these type of animation
It's a Titan 4 boosters?
Video description: "Use of UA1205 solid rocket boosters derived from the Titan IIIC vehicle." ;)
@@debott4538 That said, there had also been proposals to use the bigger UA1207 boosters in lieu of the UA1205s, though they were ultimately used on the Titan IVA despite being proposed for later versions of the Titan III
Plume trail wouldnt be straight from the ships perspective as seen from starship IFT3 launch due to upper atmosphere conditions. Otherwise good rendering.
It would probably be straight, if there was no wind at all. Which is practically impossible.
I've noticed that 99% of all rocket launch animations I've seen exclude the condensation trail that they leave behind
@@orionSpacecraft Yep. Only way now is to visualize it from imagination.
I was thinking the same... it's pretty rare to see the plume perfectly following the rocket's course, without being broken up by the winds. Not impossible, but unusual enough for it to stand out.
@@orionSpacecraft However, solid rocket boosters tend to leave a visible exhaust trail rather than simply a condensation trail, as accurately depicted here
I can't be the only one who thinks that srb sep sounded rather kerbal-esque, right?
This is literally an alternate 1973
While I appreciate the work put in to this, the 'style' of this one, does not seem up to the high standard you've been doing - the walk cycles of the animated characters is particularly bad, be it AI (I'd hope a serious artist would not,...) or canned sample walks from Poser or Daz Studio, they detract from the viewing experience by them looking rediculous, and all syncing up like a 90's PC side scroller.
The period style film effects, blended in with the historical stock footage, was all that was needed.
Nah, Its Saturn VI.