22 Magnum: Walther vs. Smith & Wesson
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2024
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Note: I mis-spoke about the magazine release of the Walther. It includes both the paddle-style and push-button controls. I thought I had corrected myself, but I didn't. Sorry for misinformation or confusion on that! I'm a bonehead.
I have a Walther P22 with a .17 drop in barrel. It's been flawless in both calibers firing from the same magazine. Excellent little gun. Very reliable, accurate and affordable. Best of all it has that great Walther feel.
I have the kel-tec 22wmr. The mags were the worst. I used dry lube to help them with no luck. I finally tried 3 and 1 oil not much better. They should stay single stack. Fifteen rounds of 40 HP isn't something to scoff at.
I was searching for a polymer 9mm and was fortunate enough to find a range in St Louis that had all the options for rent. As a sidebar to all you range owners, at this place you rented the range-not the firearm, so you could fire one and if it wasn’t “your cup of tea”, ya could ask for one of the other options 😊. Once I placed the HK VP9 in my hand, I was done! So, since the Walther’s ergonomics was a close second, I’d have to give props to the Walther here. Ergonomics = impressive on-target hits and regardless of caliber, that’s the whole “shebang”.
I just purchased the Walther. And from what I heard, everyone loves it.
Unfortunately I’m not one of them. Just came back from the range and after 200 rounds it’s going back to Walther. Cleaning the gun thoroughly prior to shooting it as recommended and using recommended ammo, Fiochi and Federal. It was a disaster. Both mags would not feed many failure to extract and I had to cycle the gun almost every time by hand. Headed to Bass so they can send it back for repair.
@@sfg5724 Thanks for the feedback!
I bought the Walther and it went back for feeding and jamming issues the same day I bought it. The magazines would wiggle over a quarter inch side to side. Poor design flaw unfortunately. Had the gunsmith where I bought it from confirm it was an issue. I even sent the video to Walther showing the magazine slop and they said there was a problem with it. It’s sat at Walther for three months until they refunded me. They told me they were replacing the pistol after they watched the video . I kept being told they were waiting for parts after it got there instead of replacing it . Then I was told they were sending me a new pistol again . Three more weeks went by and then they told me there was nothing wrong with the pistol! Horrible customer service. From what I’ve seen on the Internet it’s a pretty common problem with them.
I always wait patiently for the segment “ song of my people “ …😂excellent review as always
Keep them coming, love your reviews.
That's the nicest duet I have heard in quite a while.
Point of impact is more important than some people care to admit. A small tight group that misses your target under stress is not very useful. Sight adjustment, ammo selection....whatever.
Hard to beat a Walther
Not really
Justin, another great review buddy!👍
It’s ALL about how the firearm feels in your hand. On the homestead, we all carry PMR’s. You can work all day with it on your belt. As far a mag loading, use KEL Tec’s loader.
Sounds like every ccw, except with the unreliablility of 22wmr.
I like the uplula loader for the PMR30 magazines.
Music to my ears, song of freedom.
I bought the walther Wmp and it is a great gun so far , the only problem I have with mine is the easy load knobs kept falling off superglue took care of that but in all I love it
Finally been look for just this vid
Cool review thanks, I can’t wait to get my WMP! 😘
My opinion too Justin!! Thanks for doing this one enjoyed it I like the bull barrel in the walther I like both I like the song play that funky music white boy!!!
After the 200rd break in , the Smith & Wesson hands down. It drives those magnum rounds. The barrel system is great in construction....
L&R mag load.
Good video! I like the 30 rd S&W mag. For Walther I like the paddle mag release and the trigger guard. Both are accurate.
I think the accuracy of the Walther was definitely better! Your shots with it were more centered on the steel and the S&W shots were low, and you had misses. The shots on the orange dots were both a bit disappointing but if I'm going to be off I'd rather be a little high than low left. My next step is to check and see if one or both offer adjustment on the rear sight. I would consider a red dot on either but I am concerned about the extra weight being an issue with cycling rounds. I also like the fiber optic, blacked out rear combination and have no trouble shooting iron sights so not having a red dot wouldn't bother me. I'm shopping the two of them right now so I appreciate the video and the information. Thank you!
I don’t like the gap between the slide and the gun on the SW. that’s why I bought the Walther .
Excellent video my friend. I personally agree with most everything. My walther 9mm PPQ is an amazing firearm but I chose the S&W mainly because of mag capacity. Walther stayed true to their incredible ergonomics but sacrificed 15 rounds to do it. That was too big of a difference for me. By the way, my S&W also shoots a little low and left. It reminded me of when I 1st started shooting handguns and was pulling the trigger wrong. Another great reason to own a handgun chambered in 22 mag is the cost of ammo. At any given day i have about 1000 rounds, however, they’re so fun to shoot, those 30 round clips can really eat up some ammo quickly. So my final opinion is much the same, you just can’t go wrong with either a Walther or a S&W, two heavy hitters in handgun manufacturing.
Thanks!
I like that these two companies came out with a .22mag pistol at the same time. I also appreciate the support that they're giving a cartridge that's really only been relegated to the PMR30 & revolvers
Like that song - Excellent
Excellent review Justin, my pick is the Walther😊.
Thank you for the video. I would like to know about the guns ergonomics, feel in hand while shooting. Also, do you know what the cost and availability of spare magazines is for each? While on magazines, what is the amount of them that comes with each. Thank you.
He said some of the best. Walther make a top notch product.
Great comparison Justin O. I have the WMP and it is hands down my go to as far as pistols. Extremely accurate. I prefer the 15rd. Magazine too It has steel feed lips and is very simple to reload with the assist nubs. The paddle mag releases are great. Once again good job and nice straight up comparison. Thanks for sharing and be safe. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️🇺🇸
How would you describe the recoil with 22 mag?
@@Doriamo Hi there. It,s good to go. I have smaller hands and it fits well for me. I also put a Cylee Wolf 0 on it for an optic and the recoil is very manageable. If I can shoot walnuts off a tree with it then it’s more than steady for me. Because I have to practice a lot with pistols. To be any good. This is perfect for that. As a matter of fact I shoot it all the time. More than any other of my pistols. Hope this helps. Take care.⭐️🇺🇸⭐️
@@scarifrougeone7225 awesome! Thank you so much for the great reply!
I'm leaning toward the S&W M&P but I wonder how long its barrel/piston gas seals will last. Or would it be a matter of getting a new, maybe tighter barrel sleeve it wear happens? Are both coated with a very hard, long wearing coating? IS there a preferred lubricant for the barrel gas seal rings? Finally... how much gas blows back to the shooter with the S&W? That's important if shooting a lot.
WMP is manufactured by Umarex, not Walther proper. Umarex produces these pistols at their facility in Arnsberg, Germany, as indicated by the Three Crowns roll mark. If it were made by Walther directly, it would feature the Stag or Antler roll mark from their Ulm production site1. So, while the design and quality align with Walther’s standards, the actual production occurs under Umarex’s expertise. The slide is aluminum vs steel in SW.
I almost thought you had a yeet cannon when I first saw you shootin that Walther 🤣.
Have all 3 wmp cpl pmr 30s( had the amt and grendel ) for me the mp hands down been the 22mag pistol i was waiting on and quickly approaching the 3k mark ..no surprise as their 5.7 is my fave on its way to 6k n no issues thru its 8 mags (have all the fn ruger rock as well )..so the mp 22mag makes a great trainer for the 5.7 with both pistols being so similiar ..mp for the win , so much so i hardly ever pick up the wmp or the pmr30s in all honesty .
Good video topic!!!!!!!❤❤❤❤
Nice but a adjustment on the rear would be nice. How much for each?
I wish you would have commented about the S&W trigger. How it felt? reset ? pull weight?
The Walther trigger is the spongiest trigger I have ever felt. It has about a half inch of travel before any resistance. Then it has another half inch of travel before it shoots. It's crazy.
I like and agree with your opinion amigo.
I was hoping for a bit more detail about how both guns shot, insofar as their overall ergonomics and felt recoil was concerned.
I wish I had known about these 2 guns before I bought the Armscor Rock Island Armory it has many issues like the slide does not lock back after the last round, and many people complained about that issue . I will be buying a Walther
My smith & wesson 2.0 10mm also prints low and left. Compared to my rugers both 9mm and 45acp, that are dead on the money. Does that smith & wesson 22mag have suppressor height sights? I see it has the same red dot ready plate on it as their 10mm.
I’ve had six Walther pistols with the latest being the WMP. A note on my WMP: my original had several issues on my first couple of range trips,re: fte, ftf and a couple of ares on the bottom edge of the slide were a little chewed up. I contacted Walther who responded immediately and had me send the gun back for evaluation. In a week they sent me a brand new gun, no questions, no charge. The new gun is flawless and I love it. This was the first Walther pistol of mine that had any issue whatsoever so I’ll just chalk it up to a gun getting past Walther’s QC. The outstanding customer service from Walther only reinforces how customer focused they are. I’ve had Glocks, HKs and Sigs but Walther is my choice every time. I would like to check out Steyr pistols but I don’t see them too often.
Walther/Hammerli definitely has some of the best customer service around. They will take care of you and are easy to reach.
Great info! I love my Walter guns!
My Walther wmp has been full of issues in my first 300 rounds. The dovetail slot for rear sight is too big. You can push the sight all the way through with your fingers. The trigger often does not reset. The slide sometimes locks back with ammo still in the mag. Yes, I am using recommended ammo.
@@michaelcarton3299 if you contact Walther they will fix or,most likely,replace it with a new gun like they did with mine. Sounds like your gun has some major problems.
This video is perfect. I bought the keltec pmr 33 because it looked fun and was so cheap (anything under $300 is basically free, girl math!!). But also could never get the magazine to work, every other round misfired. Unfortunately I bought a bunch of 22 mag in bulk and am stuck with it...the solution?? Buy a better pistol chambered in 22 mag of course! I've been going back and forth between the Walther and the Smith & Wesson, after watching this, I definitely know which one I'm going with. Thank you 💜
James Bond knows exactly why he "wears" Walther. lol Greetings from Germany
RIA took my money with their xt22. Only 1911 I’ve got, but I understand the cult following. Awesome pistol.
External safety is a deal killer. But I like the .22 mag.
Interesting, my Walther WMP has both the button magazine release and the paddles, and both are ambi as well.🤔 The S&W did not feel nice in my hand, reminded me of a Glock.🤷♂
Total brain fart on my side! Of course it does, and I love the paddles. I mis-spoke and never corrected myself in the video. My bad!
@@JustinOpinionChannel I was beginning to think I had an oddball. Mine was a total impulse buy because of the Walther name. I did no research, just loved the way it felt in my hand.
If you read the instructions with the Kel Tec you would know you would need to use 45 grain to 50 grain bullet in the 22 magnum. It says that in the instructions you read the book before you say anything in your video you might know something.
How did the triggers differ and recoil impulse
I have a wmp and it sucks. Constant failure to feed and slide locks back with ammo still in the mag. Trigger sometimes doesn't reset. Many people had problems with these guns. I just contacted Walther about it and hope they will warranty it. Yes, I'm shooting recommended ammo.
Stop limp wristing it. It's YOU, not the gun
@@blackhawk2302 where can a guy get a pistol designed for the limp-wrist style shooter? In all seriousness, limp wristing would cause the slide not to go all the way back. BTW, I sent it back to Walther. Waiting for the assessment.
@@michaelcarton3299 Limp wristing causes most failures in polymer guns with light loads silly. It doesn't just cause the slide to not lock. Next time go get Federal 50gr and hold it like you got a pair
On the Walther you didn't mention the mag release located as part of the trigger guard, which is also ambidextrous as well as the push button release.
I wonder why some 22lr barrels are threaded for suppressors but nether Smith & Wesson and Walther didn't do this for the 22 mag since they are much louder to shoot.
.22 mags use blowback to feed rounds. Suppressors reduce the blowback and negatively effect round feed.
Bought the SMITH & WESSON .22 Magnum and I am very HAPPY 😊 CAMPER 🏕 ⛺️ 🔥...
First! Love thee channel.
You rock!
be careful when you slam that magazine home on the Smith. it will pinch the shit out of your palm
What about racking each one. My wife has arthritis and looking for something like the Lite Rack.
Great Review!
checkout the smith and wesson EZ M&P 380 - super easy loading and racking... very accurate as well
@@dennishauswirth8270 forgot to mention I’m in CA.
The finger pad on left of walther a thumb print...it's a rifle cartridge....😎
Love it
**I really don't consider the 22 magnum in anything less than a 10-inch barrel a worthwhile gun, or at least one I'm willing to pay money for.
**But the Walther weighs more cost more and has half the magazine capacity, the only bonus it brings is a dual and ambidextrous controls.
**If Walther would have taken their P22 pistol with a 5 inch barrel and turn that into a 15 round micro gun. That would have been the ultimate bug out bag/get home bag gun.
**Kel-Tec needs to take their CP33 design, and upgraded it to fire the 22 magnum with a 10-inch barrel. Then I'd buy that over a Smith with a 10-inch barrel.
**Now if Smith took the 22 magnum design and Made a 22LR version, with a 5-inch barrel I'd buy it.
**What Smith really needs to do is take their other 22 long rifle pistols and upgrade them with the new 30 round mags, except for their butt ugly victory pistol.
How bad is the Keltec version? I guess for what I read a test including the Keltec would be awful. I like Keltec for some reason but why do they offer some guns that have so many reported issues?
I had a PMR 30, one magazine was in k but the other one wouldn’t feed right. I’d just load em about 20 rds and forget it 👎🏼
You’re in Delaware I thought? Wasn’t aware you could own standard capacity mags since they ban em a while back. Regardless I’d take the walther ergos are better
The mag release can be switched to the other side. My wife’s was switched when we bought it, by the gun dealer, because she is left handed.
Isn't the s&w gas operated?
The Walther is not a combat..more sport...but does leave you with a roll of quarters in the barrel when you're out of ammo....😎
Tired on Smith! Pulled your shots left ? Nice Video
Sights are better on Walther
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Great video, The Walther is an outstanding weapon
I think the Kel TEC PMR 30 has sold more PMR 30 than both of put together I bet the PMR 30 has better sight
Does that means whoever sells the most records made the best music?
The S & W mag capacity is a not much of an advantage in magazine restricted states like my own (15 rds)...
Try 10 rds in WA...
@@lonniebeal6032 I suppose they will try to limit the number of loaded magazines you can carry, too...
The Walther is about as compact as a cement block! I bought the smith and I'm mad ass he'll at smith&wesson for what they did with the thompson contenders. So me buying a smith is fanominal ,that's what fell about the Walther chunk block.
I know nothing but wonder why the 22 magnum has issues in pistols?
22 mag is a rimmed cartridge, meaning the rim extends out beyond the cash wall. That said, the rim can hang up against another case if not loaded right in the magazine correctly
Walther def better for left hand shooters.
The Walther W(I)MP. Marketing guys are just hopeless. At one point Nissan sold a PAJERO in some non-Spanish markets 😂
As someone who turns 30 in 6 months, I can only aspire to have your hair in 30 more years
So instead of shooter error you're blaming it on windage😂
I get everyone likes to say that there company is better but you make fun of the pmr and all the problems it haad i have one and I have done a lot with it as being the first one to make a 30rd 22wmr pistols and for years no other untill the other ones seen it was selling it so they took advantage of it and the flaws and now they get to hear how great they are but not with out problems that doesn't make the videos but dam the keltec but that's just a opinion of a old man and I like to see if I could make better just like i love my Taurus 24/7 40cal first gen and not had a problem with it and when others at the range try it they love it just give the devil it's due
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I'm sort of a S&W fan boy but I don't see either of these out performing my PMR30.
Isn't the Walther Now owned By A BB gum company??😮
No.
@@payup2023 better Check Again!!!!!
Yes (sort of).
The more I look at my Walther. 22 mag. ...you sure you can't fit a .357 mag. threw it ????.....😎
No my friend, Walther and S&W are not the best manufacturers. In Germany, Walther ekes out a niche existence in its own country. The best manufacturers worldwide are CZ, SigSauer, Heckler and Koch.And Korth. Korth is very expensive, but one of the best!
He didn't say "the best".. he said "two of the very best"...big difference, my friend.
It also depends on what kind of gun. In the world of revolvers I’d say S&W is at the top, along with Colt. Other than that I’d agree with your list.
@@Doriamo Sorry my friend. Here in Germany we have the Club 30 of gunsmiths who refine S&W. One of them lives near me. He says that if a customer wants to buy a S&W, he orders 10 revolvers from the wholesaler. He usually sends 8-9 of them back because they are garbage. He then works on the remaining 1-2 revolvers so that you can shoot them properly. It costs something, but with the strict gun laws in Germany, you want weapons that work.
Of the 7 S&W revolvers I own, 2 were not bought through Club 30. I've had nothing but trouble with them!
@@user-lu1xi5mu5t that’s crazy! Revolvers are usually pretty reliable, even cheap ones. What exactly was wrong with them? Do you know when they were produced? I know during certain periods the quality wasn’t the same with S&W but that happened to Colt as well. I’ve heard the newer guns from S&W, especially performance center, are really good. Same thing with Colt. I bet Colt will get even better now that CZ owns them. Who would you say makes the best revolvers?
Well, it's with the new Stealth Hunter from Performance Center, built in 2021, that I have the most trouble: barrel screwed in crooked, front sight wandering, rear sight fallen off, bad timing, rust on the trigger and hammer on the new gun.
But the most annoying thing with all SW revolvers was the bad timing of the cylinder! In this country, you are really lucky to have a gunsmith who recognizes all this before he delivers the gun to the customer!
I don't want to criticize you Americans! Nothing is further from my mind! I like your gun laws! Only the quality is a bit modest. I have a German-made P220 and an American-made P226.
Guess which gun shoots badly and is of shitty quality! Not to mention the feel.
Hey Goof, youre outside doing one iof the cheapest and most unprofessional quality videos. Deal with light problems or stay inside.
Okay Karen.