I have watched a ton of videos on Hoyt Alpha and the Lift. I really appreciate you providing a demonstration that I could reproduce allowing me to experience the stability of the longer riser. I have experienced strong wind gusts so that was a very realistic consideration for me. Thanks so much
I really like that you brought someone in looking to buy and had them shoot a few options. It also enhances comments from you that are informative to the people Watching for more insight. Thanks!!
I really appreciate the honesty, and the neutral comparison between all the bows. Not being affiliated with one or the other companies makes the decision process more real. It does in the end come down to what fits each person better. I’m looking forward to seeing the full bow build.
Great video as always. Though I may not always agree, I always learn something to add to my archery toolbox of knowledge. Thank you for these and your other videos.
Really looking forward to part deuce. Will help me a lot to better understand what to look for when purchasing and having a new bow properly set up. Thanks
Great video, love to see the short ATA bows get some love for once. Mathews Lift is an amazing bow and by far the one i would pick of these 4 options, surprised how poorly the bow tech did
love this video, I am a short guy also 5'7" ( thanks mom and dad) and have been shopping and researching bows for my first bow purchase. Just waiting for my local shops to get some Mathews bows in so I can do this same type of comparison. My buddies have Hoyt, Bear and Mathews but I figure Buy once Cry once.
Thanks for the run down on how to select a bow. You are so right that a bow for a person is specific to the individual. Most manufacturers make great equipment so it just boils down to side by side for everyones decision. I picked a Darton over a Bowtech and Mathews last year and am pleased with that personal choice.
Thank you for these videos, after a several year break I’ve gotten back into shooting with my grandson. Your process of working with clients to score bows is really good and solid, great job. We were out shooting Friday and my grandson is consistently low right 12”. Can you do a video for us beginners on what to look for so we understand the problems we are experiencing and how we mayaddress the problems at home?
Im a Mathews guy and I think its because the familiarity with always having a Mathews but I almost bought the Alpha X because to me it was RIDICULOUSLY smooth to draw. I have a 28" draw. The LIFT won out because it felt better in my hand and the Alpha X felt like a tank in my hand after the LIFT. All these bows are SICK!!! Id take any of them into the woods.
It's critical with the available technology today to try multiple brand's and designs. I took your advice and tried 4 different bows, three different brands and settled on the Hoyt Alpha X. All of my hunting is done near my residence in coastal NC so the 30" fit my style of hunting from a saddle even with a 29.5 " draw length. Great content!
Something that I have found very critical for me is how sensitive and constant a bow is to form. I find that different bows may be more or less forgiving to each individuals hand placement and release. I test this during my tuning phase by shooting multiple arrows through paper to see how small hand placement changes and torque affects arrow tune. This seems to help with overall accuracy and consistency in most cases.
Awesome video! Would love to see one with the longer bows. Alpha x 33, evolve 33 and the lift 33. As a leftie my bow shops don’t usually bring in all the high end bows for me to test so I like watching these comparison videos to help me arrow down the choices.
Love the video I think Kieth and I are pretty similar size draw length and draw weight, also looking for same things in a bow I also shoot a hoyt now this was very helpful for me as I’m looking for a new bow
Just bought a bowtech core sr, I did try the Mathew’s bow, and think that I’ll be picking one up as a second. And I do love watching all your episodes. I live away up in Virden, Manitoba, and there’s not too many places close for me to take my equipment in, that’s one reason I bought the bowtech was the ease of tune ability.
I would love to see a video like this with the longer version bows! While not the focus of this video the speeds generated at 27” draw and 60 would be interesting. Good process, great content!
Getting both ends of the spectrum would be good to see. I’d also be interested to see how Keith compares to someone else on the grips, draw cycle and back wall at those longer draw lengths
Another excellent video and strait to the point sign me up for the longer axle bows even tho I have a short draw always been more partial to 33-35 bows
I like the idea of this video. Take any person and fit a bow to them. I’m on the market for a budget long draw bow. Every shop I’ve walked into they just tell me 1-2 options and it’s never great.
I’m looking at the 33”. I’ll fly out there and have you help me. 😁 I currently shoot the RX7U in 80#. Looking at the new Alpha X, Lift, SR Core, and Elite. Wanting to stick with either 75 or 80 pounds, so the Bowtech may already be out unless we can get a SX80 in the mix. I’m also interested in the Prime, but I don’t have a Prime dealer close to me.
Its so unique how one bow fits each and every person differently. Trying out all bows really do help, once you shoot the right one you know immediately which one is for you. They all are good bows cant go wrong with any of them. Just gotta pick the right one. Fun video
I’ve shot the new Mathew’s Hoyt and bowtech. And the Hoyt alpha x 33 felt the best to.. I’m coming from a bowtech sr350. It really is the person shooting the bow and I do also believe that everyone of these bows will feel different at different draw links that’s just my opinion
Just curious are we gonna get a 5 bow build from you this year because last year's was a 4? It would be cool to do a carbon bow for this as well. Love the content. Helps me be a better shooter.
I shoot an Evo xf 33 right now. That being said I’ve shot the new Hoyt’s,elites,Mathews. When I first shot the alpha x, in thought man I might be buying a Hoyt this year. Especially since I was considering carbon and liked the 1/4 inch draw increments. After shooting the lift 33, imo is a way better shooting experience then the others I listed. Plus it’s as light or lighter then most carbon bows out.
You could do this video with a girl, with a big dude that pulls 80 and an old guy that wants to pull 60. It’s cool to hear what different peoples opinions are. And screw Mathews…. 🤓
Why screw Mathews ? because your manufacturer of choice don't come close to the changes Mathews made this year. Your obviously a fan boy of a different brand. You sound like a buddy of mine , well a guy I use to hang out with. But his knowledge of everything he gets is the best. And bringing his dogs to the hunt shack and refusing to pick up their shit. Has now brought the hunting partnership and friendship to an end. Don't be so negative that gets really old after time !! And if you have a dog's and bring them to others places pick up their shit !! Better yet just don't bring them !!
@@brianloeffler2245 I'm pretty sure Brandon had tongue firmly planted in his cheek with that comment. No doubt, Mathews turned out a very interesting bow this year. A lot of excited buyers out there. I'm not a fan of a stiffer draw so I'll stick with my Phase 4 (an incredible bow). I remain immune to Mathews marketing and Chris Bee& Jeff Sturgis.
@@donovanstockton44 I personally think Jeff Sturgis in unpalatable. His content is monotonous and caters to like 1% of the country who own massive deer farms lol. He would not be a good deer hunter without $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Mathews, Hoyt, Bowtech, Prime, PSE, Darton, Bear, Elite, Athens - all putting out some solid choices. This was done right - shoot a bunch and pick the one you like and go with it. A significant majority of archers are the limiting factor in terms of accuracy, not the bow they shoot.
My guess is this guy was looking for a shorter A to A than the 34" on the Ronan. I think the Ronan will be a huge hit for Prime this year, and clearly Prime is the only company listening to the truth of the economy right now. I have close ties to a couple archery shops, and they are ordering significantly less bows this year because sales are WAY down across the board. @@ShawnGilbert1967
I would give anything to be able to go into a bow shop and be able to shoot 4 bows to decide what I like being low poundage nobody around me carries all the bows to shoot so I always have to go off reviews on what to buy . Sometimes they might have a bow to shoot but never multiple jealous that I’m not strong enough to be in the 60 lb range . Awesome videos I know it’s a tuff sell for a bow shop to carry low poundage bows around me it’s all special order . Guess it’s like being a lefty lol
Thank you. Good timing for me. I'm buying a bow this year and haven't bought one in 20 years. I'm obviously starting from scratch since their are not many similarities anymore to what I have.
Went through it last year as a first timer getting into the sport. Sadly I don't have a competent pro shop near me. His videos really helped and I ended up buying the bowtech reckoning gen 2. The amazing tuneability was the major selling point for me, because I had to do everything on my own and I love tinkering. But being able to go to a good pro shop and shoot all the different bows and have them set up correctly is amazing. Hope you have that opportunity!
@@thorwaldjohanson2526 I've been tempted by the Reckoning the past few seasons. I've shot a Bowtech Experience since 2013, but the geometry (low reflex) and easier tunability of that new Reckoning appeals to my sensibilities. Just seems like it could mature me a better shot, all else remaining equal.
I wish i had someone to go through bows like this with. Would have made a big difference for me a few years ago when i bought my Axius Ultra. Which i love but maybe I would have ended up with something different.
I'm getting ready to buy a new one with a longer riser. Shot the elite, lift, phase 4, but not the core SR yet. I'm in Utah. I'll volunteer for the video.
The fact Mathews made a LIGHTER aluminum bow than the RX8 and RX8 Ultra, which is fricking CARBON, and made it FASTER.... blows my mind. Oh and it's way cheaper. Oh and the accessories are basically the same, maybe better in some ways and worse in others. (This is coming from someone who loves his RX7-Ultra and isn't upgrading this year anyway)
The draw cycle of the Lift sucks. The Hoyt is amazing. The rest I agree with you. But seriously a lot of us mathews fanboys are not happy Mathews decided on an aggressive cam (but any engineer would see they had no choice with their new design of shaving weight at all costs). We are now sutck with a "stiff" draw that wasn't good on the cross centric cams to begin with. And now they made it worse to sell to people who shoot more at the place they buy than out in the woods. SMDH. Nobel Prize to Mathews marketing department. Talk about "vendor lock-in" - if you don't know that term you and I cannot be friends.
It's only like a tenth of a lb on paper right? The switch weight mods from other bows won't fit from what I've heard. So the only thing interchangeable is the 800 dollar stabilizer set up, right? I have an rx7, and my rx8 showed up today, I personally like the hoyt grip, and draw cycle better, always have. Both great bows im sure, to each their own, etc...
@@WolfinWolvesClothing713oh for sure. I love my RX7, I was just surprised that the middle finger Mathews was giving carbon bows paid off when they made this one so light.
@@WolfinWolvesClothing713 Yeah...only 0.1th of a lb on paper. Also $700 cheaper than the RX8. The point is that Mathews achieved a bow that weighs what the carbon bows do at an aluminum riser price.
I hope they focus on draw cycle and long range accuracy. And do this test outdoors. And throw some real world durability testing (who hasn't dropped their bow before).
The SAS is great because of the mathews peep twist issues. APA been doing it for years..but you still have no way to micro tune your timing without buying string spacers....love the SAS and the tripod is the greatest must have accessory
Do you have a breakdown for draw length to bow length axel-to-axel? I am 5'9" and have about a 28.5 draw length and shoot a 34 axel-to-axel bow, should I be shooting a 29.5?
shorter bows will react different in draw cycle, stability, and shootability.. itd be interesting to do a short bow vs longer bow comparison for different shooters.
to be completely honest i am a little bias to mathews simply for the fact that all the shops around me are mathews shops, so for me it's about if something happens where can i get parts/service. but all in all i think bows are a lot like new tucks these days. They are all good it's about personal feel. That being said, you can't argue the fact that mathews just gets it with features and accessories. they aren't the fastest and until this year with the lift even in the game on the weight side (no carbon option), but they get it with extras. I am looking forward to seeing the set up video great job as always!
You can’t really complain about the test results. Seemed pretty fair and objective to me. The one thing that did surprise me was the grip decision! Absolutely hate the engage grip!
Got to talk with Matt McPherson for like 20 mins the other day at a coffee shop. He is one of the most down to earth nice guys you will ever meet. And yes his bows are the best!
Nice job, and since Keith’s #2 priority was Accessories, did anyone film his reaction at the cash register once he saw the cost of the Mathews stabilizers and quiver system? It’s almost like paying for another bow..😢
When you did the ‘wind gust’ test, it seemed like you exerted more force on the PSE than you did the Matthew’s. You pushed/pulled it harder for a longer duration.
I would love to see this kind of thing for target bows. I would love to hunt, but I don't know where to start so I am hanging in the 3D world with some indoor on the side. Really want to good target setup but I feel like a fish out of water trying to figure out what to try to save up for
So I have said this before every person should shoot the bow blind folded first as long as u can do it safely because it makes a huge difference in feel and balance and it takes away your visial bias. And if u give the bow to them and they dont know which one they are shooting then it takes away any bias they may have. I have coached archery for a number of years and if u start people off like that it really helps them key in on the aspects that are naturally a good fit for them. It works people need to try it more
To me, any of these bows would be an enormous upgrade. But, I would have to pass on the PSE because of the short riser. Being 6 feet tall and having a 30 inch draw, I've found them unstable. Which you actually showed.
@longshotdiedtired1582 For the longest time (20 of my 30+ years of shooting a bow), I've gravitated to the shorter ATA bows. With short risers. Mainly because of being a treestand hunter. But, in the last few years, I've been looking at bows at least 32 inches ATA. And with longer risers. My 2 bows right now are a 2007 Diamond Triumph that is 31.5 ATA with a 23 inch riser, and my new 2022 Bear Legit that is a little shorter at 30 inches ATA, but has about a 26 inch riser. They are night and day as far as stability goes. The Legit hardly moves at all in my hand, but the Triumph wants to sway almost. Any significant wind, and it's all over the place.
Only compound bow I've ever owned was bear legion that I'm convinced was dropped at the store I got it from. The people had no idea about anything I asked and were certainly not helpful. I'm dying to try again with a better quality bow but don't have the money to experiment the way I'd like. Ty very much for the video
I knew what bow he was gonna pick out before I opened this video up. Everyone chooses a Mathews bow in these vide d, but with that being said on this bow I do believe it’s a good solid platform since I shot one last week. Mathews is putting out a great bow this year.
Can you possibly do a review on the APA archery black mamba bow. I’m just curious to see if their claims of 360 fps IBO speed is real. They also have some neat technology.
I went through all these tests about three weeks ago. Money wasn't a consideration, all about feel and comfort. In the end, I went with the Mathews LIFT 29.5, the Mathews site, the Mathews new QAD rest, and the attached quiver with a 12 inch bar out front and an 8 inch bar outback.
I went from pse to xpedition a couple years ago just because I wanted a complete change. I went from light to a heavy bow. Still getting used to it,but I think I like shooting the heavy bow.
PSE all day everyday for me. Much better cam efficiency. Better draw cycle although this guy was trying to pull the cams off of both bows. the Lift is a huge improvement for Mathews for sure. But I love PSE carbon bows
I wanted to get the Mathews 33 sooooo bad. Ended up with the Hoyt 30 after shooting them at my local shop. Everything fit perfectly, the string angle on every other bow required me to move my head to get my nose anchored. The draw cycle was considerably smoother and more linear on the Hoyt compared to the others I shot, but I guess that's subjective...I hated the hump on the Mathews
I love PSE carbons and just sold a Levitate with E2 cams, and still have a Mach 34, and I agree with you. Watching him pull that, I was surprised he liked the draw cycle of it.
Appreciate what you have accomplished. You make bow shopping decisions easier! Awesome channel, keep rocking it!!
I have watched a ton of videos on Hoyt Alpha and the Lift. I really appreciate you providing a demonstration that I could reproduce allowing me to experience the stability of the longer riser. I have experienced strong wind gusts so that was a very realistic consideration for me. Thanks so much
I really like that you brought someone in looking to buy and had them shoot a few options. It also enhances comments from you that are informative to the people Watching for more insight. Thanks!!
I really appreciate the honesty, and the neutral comparison between all the bows. Not being affiliated with one or the other companies makes the decision process more real. It does in the end come down to what fits each person better. I’m looking forward to seeing the full bow build.
Great video, real results, with a real customer. Great content as always! That riser test is really interesting as well.
_As someone who is just getting into archery, this was suuuuuuuper helpful!_
*_Thank You!_*
If you are JUST getting I to archery...NONE of these bows should be in your wheelhouse.
Why is that? Buy once cry once?Right? Im new to archery as well@@bradmoulton138
@@bradmoulton138 Why? If he has the money why not buy a superior bow?
Great video as always. Though I may not always agree, I always learn something to add to my archery toolbox of knowledge. Thank you for these and your other videos.
Feel is subjective and will be different for everyone. Great video. Keep them coming!
Really looking forward to part deuce. Will help me a lot to better understand what to look for when purchasing and having a new bow properly set up. Thanks
Really enjoy these compares and get a lot out of them. I have the same draw length and shared similar priorities, so very helpful.
You should do more of these videos with customers. Great job!
Very enjoyable video.I’m in the middle of picking a new bow so this was particularly fun to watch.
Great video, love to see the short ATA bows get some love for once. Mathews Lift is an amazing bow and by far the one i would pick of these 4 options, surprised how poorly the bow tech did
love this video, I am a short guy also 5'7" ( thanks mom and dad) and have been shopping and researching bows for my first bow purchase. Just waiting for my local shops to get some Mathews bows in so I can do this same type of comparison. My buddies have Hoyt, Bear and Mathews but I figure Buy once Cry once.
Thanks for the run down on how to select a bow. You are so right that a bow for a person is specific to the individual. Most manufacturers make great equipment so it just boils down to side by side for everyones decision. I picked a Darton over a Bowtech and Mathews last year and am pleased with that personal choice.
Thank you for these videos, after a several year break I’ve gotten back into shooting with my grandson. Your process of working with clients to score bows is really good and solid, great job. We were out shooting Friday and my grandson is consistently low right 12”. Can you do a video for us beginners on what to look for so we understand the problems we are experiencing and how we mayaddress the problems at home?
Im a Mathews guy and I think its because the familiarity with always having a Mathews but I almost bought the Alpha X because to me it was RIDICULOUSLY smooth to draw. I have a 28" draw. The LIFT won out because it felt better in my hand and the Alpha X felt like a tank in my hand after the LIFT. All these bows are SICK!!! Id take any of them into the woods.
I really like the format, please do with longer ata bows
Thanks for your time. Great analysis.
It's critical with the available technology today to try multiple brand's and designs. I took your advice and tried 4 different bows, three different brands and settled on the Hoyt Alpha X. All of my hunting is done near my residence in coastal NC so the 30" fit my style of hunting from a saddle even with a 29.5 " draw length. Great content!
this video is great for many reasons.. thanks for the great review!
Something that I have found very critical for me is how sensitive and constant a bow is to form.
I find that different bows may be more or less forgiving to each individuals hand placement and release.
I test this during my tuning phase by shooting multiple arrows through paper to see how small hand placement changes and torque affects arrow tune.
This seems to help with overall accuracy and consistency in most cases.
Awesome video! Would love to see one with the longer bows. Alpha x 33, evolve 33 and the lift 33. As a leftie my bow shops don’t usually bring in all the high end bows for me to test so I like watching these comparison videos to help me arrow down the choices.
Very cool to watch. Would love to see one with longer axel to axel and draw length
Great information. Thx for posting this video!
Love the video I think Kieth and I are pretty similar size draw length and draw weight, also looking for same things in a bow I also shoot a hoyt now this was very helpful for me as I’m looking for a new bow
Yes. Please do the longer BOW VERSION!
Great video! Definitely interested to see how it swings with the longer ATA to throw the Ethos into the ring
Just bought a bowtech core sr, I did try the Mathew’s bow, and think that I’ll be picking one up as a second. And I do love watching all your episodes. I live away up in Virden, Manitoba, and there’s not too many places close for me to take my equipment in, that’s one reason I bought the bowtech was the ease of tune ability.
Great video love to see a longer ATA comparison
Great video. I really like your process .
I liked watching Keith's decision process in what he was looking for and why. I wouldn't mind coming in and doing the longer A2A for ya!
I would love to see a video like this with the longer version bows! While not the focus of this video the speeds generated at 27” draw and 60 would be interesting. Good process, great content!
Great work Josh, Can we try this format video with the 33 ata bows please
i just bought a Mathews lift really does feel amazing if you want it the speed is there they are one of the best i cant wait to get in the woods
Definitely would like to see a video on the longer ATA bows.
Getting both ends of the spectrum would be good to see. I’d also be interested to see how Keith compares to someone else on the grips, draw cycle and back wall at those longer draw lengths
Another excellent video and strait to the point sign me up for the longer axle bows even tho I have a short draw always been more partial to 33-35 bows
I don't get the hate for mathews
Because it’s been the best for years so people are gonna hate them
Geez I wonder who wins? 🤔
I like the idea of this video. Take any person and fit a bow to them. I’m on the market for a budget long draw bow. Every shop I’ve walked into they just tell me 1-2 options and it’s never great.
I’m looking at the 33”. I’ll fly out there and have you help me. 😁
I currently shoot the RX7U in 80#. Looking at the new Alpha X, Lift, SR Core, and Elite. Wanting to stick with either 75 or 80 pounds, so the Bowtech may already be out unless we can get a SX80 in the mix. I’m also interested in the Prime, but I don’t have a Prime dealer close to me.
Its so unique how one bow fits each and every person differently. Trying out all bows really do help, once you shoot the right one you know immediately which one is for you. They all are good bows cant go wrong with any of them. Just gotta pick the right one. Fun video
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That’s how I’ve felt with both of my primes. I’ve always been shocked at how underrated they are
Guys, great job. Good info. I'm in the market!
Great video. Please do a sequel focusing on the longer ata versions!!!
I agree!!
Great video! Please do another longer axel to axel video and include the ethos
Awesome guys great info!
I’ve shot the new Mathew’s Hoyt and bowtech. And the Hoyt alpha x 33 felt the best to.. I’m coming from a bowtech sr350. It really is the person shooting the bow and I do also believe that everyone of these bows will feel different at different draw links that’s just my opinion
Just curious are we gonna get a 5 bow build from you this year because last year's was a 4? It would be cool to do a carbon bow for this as well. Love the content. Helps me be a better shooter.
Do more videos like these. Very helpful.
I shoot an Evo xf 33 right now. That being said I’ve shot the new Hoyt’s,elites,Mathews. When I first shot the alpha x, in thought man I might be buying a Hoyt this year. Especially since I was considering carbon and liked the 1/4 inch draw increments. After shooting the lift 33, imo is a way better shooting experience then the others I listed. Plus it’s as light or lighter then most carbon bows out.
Great video. Keeping it real!
You could do this video with a girl, with a big dude that pulls 80 and an old guy that wants to pull 60. It’s cool to hear what different peoples opinions are.
And screw Mathews…. 🤓
Why screw Mathews ? because your manufacturer of choice don't come close to the changes Mathews made this year. Your obviously a fan boy of a different brand. You sound like a buddy of mine , well a guy I use to hang out with. But his knowledge of everything he gets is the best. And bringing his dogs to the hunt shack and refusing to pick up their shit. Has now brought the hunting partnership and friendship to an end. Don't be so negative that gets really old after time !! And if you have a dog's and bring them to others places pick up their shit !! Better yet just don't bring them !!
@@brianloeffler2245 I'm pretty sure Brandon had tongue firmly planted in his cheek with that comment. No doubt, Mathews turned out a very interesting bow this year. A lot of excited buyers out there. I'm not a fan of a stiffer draw so I'll stick with my Phase 4 (an incredible bow). I remain immune to Mathews marketing and Chris Bee& Jeff Sturgis.
Yeah, Brandon... Don't bring your dogs if your not going to pick up their shit lol. Where tf have you been? Patiently awaiting more content my man.
@@donovanstockton44 Ya I didn't even realize it was McClown shoes !!
@@donovanstockton44 I personally think Jeff Sturgis in unpalatable. His content is monotonous and caters to like 1% of the country who own massive deer farms lol. He would not be a good deer hunter without $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Thought that was informative. I am 6’3" with 30.5” draw. Would like to see longer axels comparisons.
Mathews, Hoyt, Bowtech, Prime, PSE, Darton, Bear, Elite, Athens - all putting out some solid choices. This was done right - shoot a bunch and pick the one you like and go with it. A significant majority of archers are the limiting factor in terms of accuracy, not the bow they shoot.
Would have liked to see the Prime Ronan tossed in for a sub 1000 test to compare for a guy of which money is no concern
My guess is this guy was looking for a shorter A to A than the 34" on the Ronan. I think the Ronan will be a huge hit for Prime this year, and clearly Prime is the only company listening to the truth of the economy right now. I have close ties to a couple archery shops, and they are ordering significantly less bows this year because sales are WAY down across the board. @@ShawnGilbert1967
Awesome!!! I want to come experience one at 33 and more weight!
I am looking at the Mathews and the Bowtech. I’m leaning Mathews as of now, but I haven’t shot either of them personally. Thanks for the content.
I would give anything to be able to go into a bow shop and be able to shoot 4 bows to decide what I like being low poundage nobody around me carries all the bows to shoot so I always have to go off reviews on what to buy . Sometimes they might have a bow to shoot but never multiple jealous that I’m not strong enough to be in the 60 lb range . Awesome videos I know it’s a tuff sell for a bow shop to carry low poundage bows around me it’s all special order . Guess it’s like being a lefty lol
Thank you. Good timing for me. I'm buying a bow this year and haven't bought one in 20 years. I'm obviously starting from scratch since their are not many similarities anymore to what I have.
Went through it last year as a first timer getting into the sport. Sadly I don't have a competent pro shop near me. His videos really helped and I ended up buying the bowtech reckoning gen 2. The amazing tuneability was the major selling point for me, because I had to do everything on my own and I love tinkering. But being able to go to a good pro shop and shoot all the different bows and have them set up correctly is amazing. Hope you have that opportunity!
@@thorwaldjohanson2526 I've been tempted by the Reckoning the past few seasons. I've shot a Bowtech Experience since 2013, but the geometry (low reflex) and easier tunability of that new Reckoning appeals to my sensibilities. Just seems like it could mature me a better shot, all else remaining equal.
@@Johnbobon I absolutely love it. The tuneability is just amazing. The only drawback might be the weight, but it's not too bad
I wish i had someone to go through bows like this with. Would have made a big difference for me a few years ago when i bought my Axius Ultra. Which i love but maybe I would have ended up with something different.
I'm getting ready to buy a new one with a longer riser. Shot the elite, lift, phase 4, but not the core SR yet. I'm in Utah. I'll volunteer for the video.
The fact Mathews made a LIGHTER aluminum bow than the RX8 and RX8 Ultra, which is fricking CARBON, and made it FASTER.... blows my mind. Oh and it's way cheaper. Oh and the accessories are basically the same, maybe better in some ways and worse in others.
(This is coming from someone who loves his RX7-Ultra and isn't upgrading this year anyway)
The draw cycle of the Lift sucks. The Hoyt is amazing. The rest I agree with you. But seriously a lot of us mathews fanboys are not happy Mathews decided on an aggressive cam (but any engineer would see they had no choice with their new design of shaving weight at all costs). We are now sutck with a "stiff" draw that wasn't good on the cross centric cams to begin with. And now they made it worse to sell to people who shoot more at the place they buy than out in the woods. SMDH. Nobel Prize to Mathews marketing department. Talk about "vendor lock-in" - if you don't know that term you and I cannot be friends.
It's only like a tenth of a lb on paper right? The switch weight mods from other bows won't fit from what I've heard. So the only thing interchangeable is the 800 dollar stabilizer set up, right? I have an rx7, and my rx8 showed up today, I personally like the hoyt grip, and draw cycle better, always have. Both great bows im sure, to each their own, etc...
Truth!!
@@WolfinWolvesClothing713oh for sure. I love my RX7, I was just surprised that the middle finger Mathews was giving carbon bows paid off when they made this one so light.
@@WolfinWolvesClothing713 Yeah...only 0.1th of a lb on paper. Also $700 cheaper than the RX8. The point is that Mathews achieved a bow that weighs what the carbon bows do at an aluminum riser price.
To me the hoyt and bowtech are far and away the best drawing this year.
I felt the Mathews drew batter
Then you didn’t draw the bows mentioned, or you have not a clue what you’re saying. That said- I bought the Matthew’s.
@@Michael-eb3ne ok buddy 👍🏽 congrats lol
I hope they focus on draw cycle and long range accuracy. And do this test outdoors. And throw some real world durability testing (who hasn't dropped their bow before).
Yeah, I'm sure a realistic test is gauging the durability of throwing a $1200-$1800 bow out of a treestand 🙄
They are all gonna be as accurate as you make it (tuning and arrow build). And I have never dropped my bow..
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Great video thanks
Good video. Let’s see the longer ATA now👍
The SAS is great because of the mathews peep twist issues. APA been doing it for years..but you still have no way to micro tune your timing without buying string spacers....love the SAS and the tripod is the greatest must have accessory
Matthews who would’ve thought. It’s a good bow mines on order your videos always have good content. Thanks.
Do you have a breakdown for draw length to bow length axel-to-axel? I am 5'9" and have about a 28.5 draw length and shoot a 34 axel-to-axel bow, should I be shooting a 29.5?
shorter bows will react different in draw cycle, stability, and shootability.. itd be interesting to do a short bow vs longer bow comparison for different shooters.
to be completely honest i am a little bias to mathews simply for the fact that all the shops around me are mathews shops, so for me it's about if something happens where can i get parts/service. but all in all i think bows are a lot like new tucks these days. They are all good it's about personal feel. That being said, you can't argue the fact that mathews just gets it with features and accessories. they aren't the fastest and until this year with the lift even in the game on the weight side (no carbon option), but they get it with extras. I am looking forward to seeing the set up video great job as always!
You can’t really complain about the test results. Seemed pretty fair and objective to me. The one thing that did surprise me was the grip decision! Absolutely hate the engage grip!
I’m not a fan either but recently I’ve watched a few videos of ppl that say they love the grip which is weird I never hear anyone say that
Got to talk with Matt McPherson for like 20 mins the other day at a coffee shop. He is one of the most down to earth nice guys you will ever meet. And yes his bows are the best!
I just got the Mathews Life 33 in fade to black, and I love it. What got me was how light it was compared to my Botech.
Would love to see a longer ata comparison...and if your feeling generous, a "best bow for long draw archers" segment (33")
Just wondering if you would class the CHECKMATE QUIVER as a PSE Quiver
Nice job, and since Keith’s #2 priority was Accessories, did anyone film his reaction at the cash register once he saw the cost of the Mathews stabilizers and quiver system? It’s almost like paying for another bow..😢
Definitely need a longer dl still wouldn’t help me unless you do longest dl but love the videos anyway.
When you did the ‘wind gust’ test, it seemed like you exerted more force on the PSE than you did the Matthew’s. You pushed/pulled it harder for a longer duration.
I would love to see this kind of thing for target bows. I would love to hunt, but I don't know where to start so I am hanging in the 3D world with some indoor on the side. Really want to good target setup but I feel like a fish out of water trying to figure out what to try to save up for
Thx for this great vid
So I have said this before every person should shoot the bow blind folded first as long as u can do it safely because it makes a huge difference in feel and balance and it takes away your visial bias. And if u give the bow to them and they dont know which one they are shooting then it takes away any bias they may have. I have coached archery for a number of years and if u start people off like that it really helps them key in on the aspects that are naturally a good fit for them. It works people need to try it more
To me, any of these bows would be an enormous upgrade. But, I would have to pass on the PSE because of the short riser. Being 6 feet tall and having a 30 inch draw, I've found them unstable. Which you actually showed.
The PSE Mach 34 and levitate are definitely the better choice for us bigger guys
@longshotdiedtired1582 For the longest time (20 of my 30+ years of shooting a bow), I've gravitated to the shorter ATA bows. With short risers. Mainly because of being a treestand hunter. But, in the last few years, I've been looking at bows at least 32 inches ATA. And with longer risers. My 2 bows right now are a 2007 Diamond Triumph that is 31.5 ATA with a 23 inch riser, and my new 2022 Bear Legit that is a little shorter at 30 inches ATA, but has about a 26 inch riser. They are night and day as far as stability goes. The Legit hardly moves at all in my hand, but the Triumph wants to sway almost. Any significant wind, and it's all over the place.
Only compound bow I've ever owned was bear legion that I'm convinced was dropped at the store I got it from. The people had no idea about anything I asked and were certainly not helpful. I'm dying to try again with a better quality bow but don't have the money to experiment the way I'd like. Ty very much for the video
I knew what bow he was gonna pick out before I opened this video up. Everyone chooses a Mathews bow in these vide d, but with that being said on this bow I do believe it’s a good solid platform since I shot one last week. Mathews is putting out a great bow this year.
No camera man discount???? Always enjoy these side by side comp's
Can you possibly do a review on the APA archery black mamba bow. I’m just curious to see if their claims of 360 fps IBO speed is real. They also have some neat technology.
I went through all these tests about three weeks ago. Money wasn't a consideration, all about feel and comfort. In the end, I went with the Mathews LIFT 29.5, the Mathews site, the Mathews new QAD rest, and the attached quiver with a 12 inch bar out front and an 8 inch bar outback.
I went from pse to xpedition a couple years ago just because I wanted a complete change. I went from light to a heavy bow. Still getting used to it,but I think I like shooting the heavy bow.
Great video!
Good honest video. Interesting to hear someone else’s perspective even if my opinion differs.
A comparison between the Lift and Mach 30 on the outdoor range with a finished setup, would be interesting.
ya i think the lift might pull out just because of the stability
PSE all day everyday for me. Much better cam efficiency. Better draw cycle although this guy was trying to pull the cams off of both bows.
the Lift is a huge improvement for Mathews for sure. But I love PSE carbon bows
I wanted to get the Mathews 33 sooooo bad. Ended up with the Hoyt 30 after shooting them at my local shop. Everything fit perfectly, the string angle on every other bow required me to move my head to get my nose anchored. The draw cycle was considerably smoother and more linear on the Hoyt compared to the others I shot, but I guess that's subjective...I hated the hump on the Mathews
The dog in the beginning 😂 give me your hand
I still waint for the test of NockOn 30, and aluminium version test for PSE.
Great ride, not sure of the destination????
Nice work MFJJ. This gentleman chose what he preferred. 👍
What is it that causes some bows to jump forward more then others? It seemed like the Hoyt and Bowtech jumped the least
The way that PSE dumps into the valley and he hammers into the back wall is painful to watch.
I love PSE carbons and just sold a Levitate with E2 cams, and still have a Mach 34, and I agree with you. Watching him pull that, I was surprised he liked the draw cycle of it.
I thought same thing he also slammed the Mathews