How Beauty and the Beast Could Have Been Seriously Spicy (Disney)
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Spicy tale as old as time? Kinda! While the story of Disney's "Beauty and the Beast" has roots in ancient myths, today we are exploring the lore from a few centuries ago. It's interesting what details got lost, and what... um... spicy romantic ones had been added by different authors! So, let's get lost in some fairy tales by Perrault, Villeneuve, and Beaumont as we adventure into Disney Princess Belle's past incarnations, and along the way, we'll discover just WHO is the true beast in Beauty and the Beast!
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So, Belle is descended from snakes and sages. I cover the SECOND PART of this twisted fairytale here: czcams.com/video/AVj9WfQUNYQ/video.html
Cool!
Actually, Gaston isn't such a bad guy. He was a war hero. Why all the girls swoon for him. In reality, a girl like Belle would more than likely want him. Why shouldn't a valiant warrior expect the girl he wanted. When it comes to Beast, he was just trying to protect the girl he loved. At least, in the animated Disney version
IDR what was shared? Beast was a little boy when the enchantress came to his door. He was acting like any child would and trying to be safe. There is a question of why he answered the door 🚪 They had servants. Nobody ever asks the question, where are his parents
does anyone notice is the story about a kid that never grew up to became an adult at the disney version?
I prefer the beast as a kind gentleman rather the Disney's version. Also your design for him fits perfectly.
Especially since the beast was based of a man with "werewolf syndrome" basically the guy was hariy and had a pretty wife and people thought it was strange
I agree. I mean, it kinda expresses the message that looks don't matter as long as the person is kind.
Yeah but they fell in love and where nice to each other before he transformed back into a human
@@Red-jl1qr true, so both adaptions if the story have good pointers.
it's just dependent on what story you want. Do you want the story focused more on Beauty/Belle and her seeing the beauty in someone who is externally monstrous, and inwardly kind, or have someone both internally and externally monstrous learn to change and be his best self? I see the value in both variations, but I do still prefer Disney's telling.
Belle was the first Furry in French literature.
madcat789 yup that's probably why we have furries 😂
No dude, the Beast was the furry. Belle was into bestiality.
You're not wrong but it doesn't feel right
I’m pretty sure it’s not bestiality. More like “Monster Lover”.
I’m very uncomfortable. I was Belle for my first Halloween I could remember.-.
The Disney version of the beast always confused me for a few reasons
1. He was 11 when he refused to let the old woman in his home. Not sure what YOUR parents taught you as a kid, but mine taught me not to let a stranger into the house. And of course he would want to let her in once she reveals herself to be a magical fairy, a kid would trust a fairy over what looks to be a witch
2. The curse's reason doesn't match how to break it. She cursed the prince for his shallowness (once the old lady revealed herself as a fairy, he began to act kindly toward her) but to break the curse, he has to show kindness enough to have someone fall in love with him. What does that have to do with being shallow? As we see, he found someone who everyone considered beautiful, so he would still be shallow, nice, but shallow.
3. Wouldn't it had made more sense if the prince denied her entrance while she was a beautiful fairy or continue to deny her even when she transforms? Again, the prince shows kindness after she transforms, so he wasn't a mean prince, just an 11 year old.
I enjoy the movie, don't get me wrong, but that always nagged at me when watching it.
Thank you!!!!!!!!! I just posted about that just now!!!!!!
@@CalmQueenKey Hell, the only reason he is rude and selfish I'd he still has an 11 year old mind set. Look how he eats before Belle taught him manners for example. Or the entire "I didn't see before" song. He acts like a child until Belle teaches him otherwise.
I love this thank you
yes! so true but there is one fact that puts me off from this film, belle was falling in love with a beast, like an animal. It weirds me out, some may argue that she knew he was actually the prince but that was the end / middle-ish of the movie.
@@clw3301 You could "argue" that he seems less like an animal due to the fact he can speak, owns a house etc.
I bet the "no, she is my niece" part was something the fairy thought on the spot, like "crap, i have to invent something"
Sounds like something from a gacha life mini movie XD
@@marenrjensen
ok howd you know we'd do this-
@@ajmaqs Because it's gacha life 😒
she needed to see her ship become canon
If you listen closely to the dialogue in the 1991 Disney movie, Adam was cursed by the entrantress when he was eleven years old, given the curse has lasted "ten years" and is set to kill him if a girl doesn't fall in love with him by his twenty-first birthday. She seriously condemned a freaking child to that fate for not letting a complete stranger into his home in the middle of the night.
There is the idea that time has stopped in the castle since the curse was cast, but then if that is the case, the whole "birthday time limit" thing doesn't make any sense, because why would time suddenly start again after a decade?
Big brain
I don't think he was really a child by then especially by the old times standards, because I'm sure he was being trained to be the next king
I'm pretty sure the Enchantress is meant to be a Fairy, that would explain the disproportionate punishment. Given *Maleficent* , also a Fairy, cursed a baby to die because her parents did not invite her to a party, it lines up well with the Enchantress' curse being way out of proportion.
Ikr if I was 11 and a creepy, old lady showed up while my parents weren’t home and demanded to sleep in my house I’d call the cops. But in the royal context she could be an assassin from a rival kingdom, no way she’s being let in!
I think the time stopped theory was only for the servants. He needed to be able to age for obvious reasons, but they don't
The Queen had to leave to fight in a war? That's some real feminism for a book written in 1740.
EDIT: Guys. Its been two years. I donmt know why this comment is ssuddnely blowing up again but I get it 😭Ur just saying things 40 ppl before u have
maybe they were inspired by Joan of Arc. She was a french lady fighting in war as well.
history is actually full of women fighting, but I'll restrain my nerdy self and not bore you with a history lecture...
Moa the Wolfcub Id love to hear a history lecture about cool female fighters
@@geekmyths samee
@@moathewolfcub3020 please tell us! I love history
@@neep5027 oh man, i fear i might go overboard with this, but lets do it!
Theres a viking refered to the Birka female viking warrior. She was found burried as a high ranking pro warrior but it took 200 years to figure out that she actually was a she and not a he.
Another badas viking warrior (sorry for all the vikings, im swedish so... xD) is one of those that tried to colonize america. Although they failed theres apparently a story about how she while heavily pregnant defended their village armed with an ax and not wearing anything on her upper body. She won that fight xD
I also remember a documentary I watched about a Japanese noble (i think) lady. They were under attack and she and the other ladies in the castle was encouraged to commit suicide so that they wouldn't be violated, tortured or similar by the enemies. Instead she picked up a weapon (a spear kind of weapon i think) and aided in the defence of her home. Samurai daughters and the likes has actually had some training, mostly for defence, so she knew what she was doing.
They won and she managed to get a small army to follow her, also mostly women, among others her sister. They defended their lands bravely until she was killed in battle. Her sister then took her head to protect her from becoming someone's trophy.
There was a company in Russia during one of the world wars that was solely women. They flew somewhat outdated bomber planes and because of how it sounded when they attacked in the middle of the night they were called Night Witches. The company later also gained some men and a few of them even survived the war and was decorated for their efforts.
Then there was the amazons as well. Badas female warriors that (from what I've heard) cut off one of their brests so that it wouldn't get in the way while shooting with bow and arrow. (As someone that did archery for years, I get why)
Theres plenty more that I don't know much of or not at all and even more that's left to be uncovered, but the 1800s men (the real female oppressors in all of time according to my history professor) went above and beyond to hide or even destroy the part of history that put women in this light. So middle ages and so on, not so bad for women as people like to believe
Abitfrank: "What, is he hiding six previous wives in there?"
Me: *_DIVORCED-_*
Beheaded!
Died
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And tonight we ARE-
@@qaiwiwi LIVEEEEEEEEEEEE~
The fact that this centuries old tale has more respect for a person's consent than many people today smh
But it's not full consent because there is no an option for the dad and the daughter to say no. One of them has to say yes to stay with the beast. They both can't say No and leave the beast alone. When they take away your option to say no, it's not consent anymore. It's coercion.
@@lemurlover7975 i mean I get the fact that it’s extreme to imprison someone, but the dad did trespass, eat, and steal. If you think about it the beast was CURSED to be a beast for something simple as a child, maybe he saw imprisonment as fitted punishment for something as simple as stealing? Also he was probably lonely and desperate
@@Justwatchingyoutubeforfun he would have died if he didn't break the curse, pretty desperate I would say. Faeries are somehow cruel with their punishments if you think about how they are portrayed in old fairytales.
Imagine seeing a beggar who asks you for money and you don't give them any, because either you don't have it, or because your parents told you to not trust strangers, so the person transforms you into a horrible creature and condemns you to die, if you can't break the curse within the time limit🤯
the truly important retelling is the hello kitty version.
edit: ok so basically in 1987 there was this show called hello kitty’a furry tale theater and there were 13 episodes each of which had 2 stories which were all parodies of fairy tales. episode 2 had a beauty and the beast parody called kitty and the beast. i don’t remember the exact plot. in 2003 and 2004 there were some dvd’s made.
edit 2: i got the dvds. they were just as scarring as i remember
YES
The Hello Kitty version????
Explain
Edit: Stop liking my comment and explain please!
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In my region's version of this story, the Beast is a dragon, who was harmed by the merchant during his enchanted stay. He was sleeping in the tall grass of his garden, when Tonele takes a knife to cut at the root a carnation flower for his youngest daughter Lisetta, and accidentally stabs the dragons foot (ouch). The dragon is certain the wound will kill him, so he courses the merchants family to have a similar fate to his. So Tonele sends one of his daughters to the beast to tend to him, thus protecting the whole family feom the curse. You know how the rest goes: Lisetta decides she's responsible, she takes care of the dragon, is amazed at the magic house they live in, but wants to see her family again, the dragon says "be back in three days, or I'll surely die!"(geez, Dragon, after one year your wound must have gotten at least A BIT better!), And the jealous sisters make Lisetta stay more than she's supposed to (IF THE BEAST DIES, SO DO YOU, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!) . When Lisetta comes back, the Dragon is all melodramatic and says "I will only ve saved if you marry me", Lisetta doesn't even hesitate and BAM, dragon to handsome (fully healed) young man. And the jealous sisters get punished by the ex-beast, by locking them into the enchanted house and turning them into dragons as well.
"(I believe, their curse still hasn't been lifted)"
@@dogenboole North Italy. I used the Ladin version of Fassa Valley.
Oh my wow. Now this is something I wanna read too xD
that's where the carnation comes from! I had a book of old fairy-tales I used to read, and the beauty and the beast version was very similar to this. It is, to this day, my favourite telling of the story
Cool! I love hearing regional variants of fairy tales, they're so neat.
Is being a dragon *really* a punishment though?
@@alexartemisia Very true, very true.
A few clarifications from a completist:
* First, some legal matters. Garden roses that bloomed but once a year were the only option when Villeneuve wrote, and they were _horribly_ expensive, to the point you could use them for money. This means the merchant was stealing valuable property when he cut that rose, as well as violating sacred hospitality by taking what was not offered. Under the laws of the day, the Beast, as owner of the castle, had every legal right to kill him.
* Yeah, Beauty does look a little stupid to the modern reader, doesn't she? To her credit, though, her idea of the Beast holding the Prince captive does make more logical sense than one being turned into the other, doesn't it?
* Speaking of brains, early-version Beast doesn't exactly distinguish himself, either. He barely talks to Beauty in _either_ Beaumont's or Villeneuve's versions, and Beauty herself (in Villeneuve) and the Beast (in Beaumont) acknowledge that he's not all that bright.
* Villeneuve gets most of the credit for the transformed servants. Monkeys and birds wait on her in that version. More Disney than Disney! The humans, meanwhile, are statues until almost the end of the story.
* Villeneuve gets even racier, for the time, after the marriage proposal is accepted. It was the fashion for newlyweds to be completely shaved for their wedding night, you see, and Beauty couldn't help but wonder where they were going to get enough barbers...
glad to know that there is any logic to the rose bit, i'd prior just set it as arbitrary conflict to get the plot moving
or that the beast was just one of those very dedicated gardeners
Wanderer Werewolf well in that case he’s actually really chill
“yeah, ik you broke into my house, stole my property and all that but here take my moneys also we can make a deal”
"the Beast holding the prince captive"
Might be an interesting Dr Jackle and Mr Hyde twist
The oldest version of Beauty and the Beast that I found was the greek myth of the goddess named Psyche, who was the goddess of soul and the wife of Cupid. Her story is about how she overcame many obstacles for her love, and honestly it's probably one of my favorite stories, even though it's very different from the more modern versions of Beauty and the Beast.
Fun fact: modern stidies suggest that this myth is actually Algerian, not Greek.
:)
Wow, you guys really know stuff cool👍👍
sorry but it's actually Psyche and Eros. Cupid is his Roman form
@@catherinegrace5174 yeah, but the oldest version of the tale is Latin, uses the names Cupid and Psyche, and is likely taken from Apuleius’ berber background
Beauty and beast is very old myth, it apears in the oldest narrative conserved, the tale of Gilgamesh, the psrt of Enkidu the beast man and the priestess courtesan send to tame him.
The original Beauty and the Beast sounds kinda like the story of Eros and Psyche.
that’s where it came from!
Super Sonic Tumbleweed so THAT’S why this sounds familiar!
That's what I thought, and I think that's were it came from!
It is. I read that story when I was 11 in a Greek Mythos collection (my love for the Hercules TV show starring Kevin Sorbo ((of which needs a remake or follow up with the older cast, and I will mention it inanely in CZcams comments until I get it, along with a Xena follow-up)) is why I read a book way past my age group, not a genius mindset). I read the story of Eros and Psyche and first thought 'wow, Aphrodite's more of a bitch than I thought', then read more and realized 'isn't this familiar?' It does diverge at the beginning and end by quite a bit, but the meat in the middle is pretty similar.
Heck yes greek mythology
I want to strongly recommend Megan Kearney's Beauty and the Beast Webcomic - one of the big changes it makes is that Beauty's older sisters, Virtue and Temperance, are NOT shrewish! They're good girls, but Beauty is much younger than they are and they forget sometimes that she's a grownup and can make her own decisions. It's refreshing to have a different kind of conflict than "good sister vs. catty sisters"
Edit - corrected the author's name.
Hell yeah!
We are here for good siblings in fairytales!
Could you tell me what the title of the webcomic is?
I wasn't able to find it yet.
@@cramerfloro5936 I too would like to know this.
@@cramerfloro5936 I recommend searching by the author that way it's easier
Found it!
It's just Megan Kearney, without the Mc.
"What? Is he hiding six previous wives in there?"
Me, a theatre kid: *is that a SIX reference?*
I thought it was a Blue Beard reference, but I think I'm the only one who noticed that.
@@wizardsummoner9124 She did say 'bluebeardian', so I'm pretty sure it's a Blue Beard reference.
@@ichigoeater ya
Ok, I LOVE original Beast, he just seems like a sweet guy. A bit odd in his methods, but hey he's LEAGUES better than MOST other guys in these old stories. Also, you've made me love him more by making him SUPER cute. Super Legosi, but super cute.
Also PLEASE do an Alice video sometime, that would be amazing.
she got me simping for the beast and legoshi here-
ugh they are def bf materialll, beauty back before is a lucky girl right therr
So you love the original Beast but not the Disney one?
@@kichiwas-hargan4775 I never said that :T That's like saying "I'm a cat person." "So you hate dogs?" I do like Disney's Beast, from the animated version at least, but he's definitely a different character from a different writer with a different interpretation of the story for a different audience in a different time.
@@BlightVonDrake Okay, we see that the Disney adaptation is just different lol. Also, I read your sentence that you love the original Beast and I thought it implied that you love more than the Disney Beast. But now you gave me an answer I never thought of. So you like the Disney version of the Beast cuz he's an interesting character, right?
@@kichiwas-hargan4775 Absolutely. I love good character development, and Disney wrote their Beast well, I'd say.
In the Grimm's version, "the singing, springing Lark" the youngest daughter asks for a lark, which the father finds in the garden of an enchanted lion. This is actually a pun, as the story uses an old word for lark, Löwenkerchen, "Lion's lung".
This story has also an incredible fantastical rescue mission, go check it out!
And now...the only question I have is: HOW THE HELL TO FIND A CHARMING BEAST TO BE MY HUSBAND?!
Some folks say there is one lonely soul in land called Tinder. But let's not believe such hox.
@@38procentkrytyk 😂
Same where do I find myself a she beast... or do I live to BECOME the she beast
Ray fr
Ray my gay ass relates to this on many different levels
I especially love the Russian retelling of Beauty and the Beast, called the Scarlet Flower. It is quite possibly my favorite retelling of the tale, both in terms of the Beast's gentleness and good manners as well as the small tad bits of Russian fairytale items scattered throughout.
The Scarlet Flower itself is something that often appears in the fairytales, usually representing adventure, traveling across great distances or wishes.
The "mirror" is actually a plate with an apple circling it that can show any place in the world, a common magical item of powerful fairytale characters. Most known to posses it are Baba Yaga and the king of the sea.
There's a video of the Scarlet Flower on CZcams, and I do believe it has subtitles for the non-Russian speakers, so if you have some time do watch it.
Is there a book it might be found in?
@@AutisticAthena there is old cartoon based on this version.
The scarlet flower is the original story that beauty and the beast is based off of as the stories came from East Germany/Prussia where many of the stories are a mix of Slavic and Germanic folktales.
“The youngest of 12. _12._ Imagine.”
Me who is the second youngest of 12: horrifying
Ha; Second youngest of 12 here; I feel you
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I would have but I have just found your channel but I have already fallen in love with your channel so I'm gonna listen to your channel a lot I think this one is my favorite though
Do think that evil fairy should be exiled since the prince aunt/ mother in law is queen of the fairies
Me: oh her voice is kinda quiet, I'll turn it up
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oh no :/
i think the original version of the beast should've been the way to go, especially since he always respected her boundaries and treated her like a person, imagine if he was just really awkward because of the lack of interaction w/ people, personally this would've been a better message to send to kids, especially young boys, about how to treat others and that you shouldn't have to meet the right person to *be* a better person
Well, that's what the Disney version did lol.
It would be a better message, but that leaves for a less compelling story when she's in the castle, especially for children's animation
There was also more side plots and things going on. The fairy was actually evil and trying to kill Belle. Bella's Aunt was a fairy and helps save her. (Belle was half fairy. )
“They became stones still with their consciousness” *and eventually, they stopped thinking*
Is Beauty & The Beast a JoJo reference?
Sounds like 90% of the people I work with.
They stand around and watch me work and then go back to watching CZcams while I work.
There’s a similar Lithuanian folk tale like this one. Nearly everything’s the same except the beast is a wolf.
In my region, it's a motherf*_king dragon.
Also he wants one of the daughters, cause he needs a nurse, since the father injured him while cutting the carnation flower at the root.
@@cramerfloro5936 that actually makes sense
That's badass
i’m lithuanian and have not heard of it 😂, what was it
Pala ką, nežinau tokios .-.
The thumbnail gives me a "Hello internet, welcome to Frank Theory" vibe
Do you mean film theory?
@@anaribeiro6615 you dont know about famous youtube theorizer Frank Theory? /s
I actually like this older version. And I love your design of the beast. He seems like someone you could have a civil conversation with, both in manner and appearance.
And not the Disney one?
If I remember correctly, the original meaning of the story was to mock the culture of marrying girls too young and against their consent(she was 12 after all and that's kinda weird). Or at least I've read about that somewhere, not completely sure. Yes, the Beast was a nice man, the only problem being the whole keeping her at the castle and how she was again 12. But yes, for the standards of old tales, this is actually pretty cute and has a good lesson.
during the dark ages (if i remember correctly) you could marry off as soon as you had your first period (usually around said age). it was a sign of adulthood and that one now could carry children of your own. since the average lifespan was nowhere near what it is today you couldn't really stall too long unless you wanted to risk killing off your bloodline. (if i remember correctly)
I tried to not go full nerd in this answer, sorry if I failed...
@@moathewolfcub3020
I hear a lot of people tossing these numbers around, but my understanding is that you really to need to be a full-grown adult to carry children, or mortality rates skyrocket -- which medieval people would certainly have known. I've heard that the only people getting married that young were nobles, for political purposes, and even then they would wait until they were older to consummate the marriage.
@@eyesofthecervino3366 sounds resonable, but their adult age was still lower than ours today. What you said about nobility though is very true, but they didnt always even wait until the first period for that
@@eyesofthecervino3366 To die giving birth to a child for your husband was once considered the highest honor a woman could ever have. Even more so if the child happens to male. Children were taught this by their parents growing up. Girls were brought up to be women without ever really getting to experience being a girl. It was normal back then. People didn't really understand that just because you could have children did not necessarily mean that you should. Think about how much inbreeding happened. We didn't know a lot about ourselves back then. We still don't know everything about ourselves as a species now. Over the passing of time and passing on from generation to generation... Each new generation discovers some things that the previous-generation did wrong. The next generation after us will discover that we've been doing some things wrong ourselves. We make mistakes. It's how we grow. The point is not to repeat them.
Meanwhile... I was given a book by my sister for Christmas one year... I threw up and had to put it away. The main character was a vampire that was 50 something years old but was meant to look like a ten-year-old girl. This book had... Some sexual material involved and I couldn't even read it. I felt sick to my stomach. It's been over 2 years and it still bothers me.
@@moathewolfcub3020 not really, the average age for first child in Europe was ~22-25.
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No one:
Not even "the first" people:
My subtitles: wysiwyg
Me: **Surprised Pikachu face**
Me reading it for the 13th time:
W-what
Y-you
S-see
I-is
W-what
Y-you
G-get
*bruh*
i also had those captions '3'
1 minute in and I'm hooked.
like #160
There's a russian adaptation calles "Little crimson flower" that is very faithful to the original story - including nice beast, wicked sisters, empty magical castle, father being on a merchant mission and magical transportational ring.
I think both stories work because they both match the main message of the Belle story which is that just because someone has good looks doesn't mean they are nice and both show that selfishness is terrible with the sisters in at least one of the Belle stories refusing to stop being selfish and so being outwardly turned to stone while the Beast in Disney finally letting go of his selfishness causing him to turn back into his original form. They prove there are many ways to tell a story that can still get the messages of the story across. That is where author/screenwriter creativity comes in.
Okay im just gonna put this out that when you asked us to choose between Louis and Legoshi, i had no idea whats it's for; i literally had to pause the video and went back to it just to get a good laugh when i realized HOW CUTE AND AWFULLY FAMILIAR YOUR BEAST LOOKS
//also this video header/teaser thing made me do a double take and just like "HMM NEVER THOUGHT I'D SEE BELLE LOOKING LIKE THAT. VERY INTERESTING."
(this kind of doesnt help that my dp is also of Belle hehe)
Anyway! I personally lovelovelove Beauty and the Beast and i often relate to Belle so much that i can probably play the entire movie in my head. I can confidently say that i grew up with Beaumont's version of the tale as i remember the part where Beast asked her to marry him every night, and the duration of her stay when she went back to see her father.
Also i know its not mentioned here at all but i feel that the Disney live action version also picked up a teeny bit (VERY TEENY BIT) of the original books as i recall Maurice did come across a rose garden and tried to pick one for Belle too :0 and if that had been the case, i like that they did.
the minute i saw this in my notif i clicked it in a heartbeat ngl i love your retrospect on these tales as always ❤
EDIT: coz i just realized that yes i love that this tale actually kinda focuses on the idea of CONSENT, which is really refreshing considering how most older tales tend to be huh true true
You know, lately I've been looking up another old version of Beauty and the Beast, "Amor and Psyche", a fairytale which comes from... Algeria, oddly enough.
Most believe it's greek, but recent anthropological studies show that the author who collected it, Apuleius, probably took it from the folklore of his home country.
ooh, is this the one about the god of love falling in love with a the mortal ,Psyche, whom his mom wants him to kill? but then falls in love with her and then takes her to an enchanted mansion to be his wife after her parents make her fall off a cliff as an offering to a "monster"? but Psyche is not allowed to see her new husband's face?
Ah, is this the story about a woman named Psyche who couldn't see her husband's face, which turned out to be Eros/Amor/Cupid? I heard this is a Greek myth, not sure about Algerian tho.
@@cheshirecat7819 the author, Apuleius, was Algerian (Numidian-Gaetul at the time), but wrote in Latin for Latin audiences, since that was much more lucrative, so all the character names are of Greco-Roman gods. In his "Metamorphoses" he certainly took inspiration from the now lost "Fabula Milesia", but the story of Amor and Psyche seems to be his addition. This is because, while the characters of Eros and Psyche already appeared in Hellenistic art, the story first appears in Apuleius. Furthermore, similar tales like "the Storm Bird", "Ahmed UnAmir" or "Goldblossom" are very common in the Algerian-Moroccan tradition.
What's your source ?
@@athinam.4593 Fiabe del Nordafrica (North African Fairytales) by Vermondo Brugnatelli
The first story you told reminds me of the greec myth or "Eros and Psyche" where psyche is married to the invisible eros, who is said to be a monster and stuff.
I love the story. Overly sarcastic productions has made an amazing video about the topic.
I love overly sarcastic productions has such a rewatch value
Fun fact:
This myth most likely originated in Algeria, and there it developed in various new versions, like Stormbird, Ahmed Unamir, and Goldblossom, which is almost exactly like the Hellenistic myth
@@cramerfloro5936 there are versions of cinderella from all parts of the globe. I've also read that it originated from China so the origins of the cinderella story is debatable.
The fact is, yes, it's not a Greek myth- it's actually a Latin Novel taking inspiration and ideas from various cultures (including the godess isis from egypt, various greek god characters etc).
I'm not sure we can claim for a fact that psyches' story is algerian, chinese, greek or roman.
The elements of Cinderella are universal. Although Apuleius most likely learned about the story while he was in Algeria. He then used its elements to retell the story of Greek gods Psyche and Cupid (they were like blank pages before this novel, there's hardly any greek myth about them)
@@chew7656 exactlty!
The fun thing is, the two oldest (or at least oldest well known) versions are ye xian, a Chinese version, and Rodopis, an Egyptian version. While there is a time gap between the first recording of these two, it's still fascinating to see how the story stays the same on the two opposite sides of the globe!
My personal favorite Beauty and The Beast story is East, also called North Child. Basically this girl meets this polar bear who says he can make sure her family is healthy and prosperous if she goes away with him, and she agrees so he takes her to his castle in the middle of nowhere. Every night she lies in bed with someone she cannot see, but she can feel them shivering. She gets homesick and the bear says she can go back to her family for a month as long as she doesn’t tell anyone about her experiences. Anyway she tells her brother about the mysterious figure in the bed and her mother gives her a candle that will stay lit no matter how hard the wind blows. Curiosity gets the better of her and she uses the candle, only to find that she violated rules of a curse the bear, really a prince, was under and that now that she has seen him in his true form before they had spent a full year together the Ice Queen, who cursed him, could have him for her own. So the girl, wishing to fix her mistake, sets out to rescue the prince from the Ice Queen. She does, they marry and live happily ever after.
I READ THIS SO LONG AGO I THOUGHT IT WAS LOST FOREVER BC I COULD NEVER FIND IT AGAIN
Hi I am doing a research project this summer on folklore, fairy tales, and the horror genre and using your vids as references ❤
Good luck 🖤
Better credit her!
@@__julia___749 oh absolutely!
The School For Good and Evil series by Soman Chainani is a great fairytale spin you should read! A netflix movie for the first book is finally on its way too
I love how equally simplistic and unnerving your art style is.
"And explores every nook and cranny"
Me: *Nook's Cranny*
Fun Fact: Beauty and the beast was inspired by a Greek tale, Psyche! It’s one of my favorite Greek myths! It’s about a beautiful princess, TOO BEAUTIFUL. But she never got married, her parents got to Apollo’s Oracal and says that a beast will take her away and to take her on top of the highest cliff and dress her as she would on her funeral. A wind takes her away to a castle, there’s invisible servants and so on. You should really check it out it’s great!
How did I never make that connection before?!
Actually no, the original story it's based off of the scarlet flower from Slavic folklore. As for that story it's Aegean not Greek.
My favorite, other then Disney cartoon and live-action(come at me haters, I dare you), is The Scarlet Flower (1952 film). Here's the summary story that I found in wiki.(sorry if it's long)
Before going on an overseas journey, a merchant father asks his three daughters what they would like him to bring back for them. The eldest asks for a shining tiara, the middle asks for a magic mirror through which her face would always appear young, and the youngest (Nastenka) asks her father to bring her a beautiful scarlet flower like the one which she saw in her dreams. Her elder sisters laugh at this simple wish. The father's trip is successful and he finds everything that he came for, with the exception of Nastenka's scarlet flower. Nevertheless, the ship heaves off and they begin to head back while the father scans the lands around him for a scarlet flower. A storm strikes and the father is washed overboard. He wakes up on a strange island that is full of all sorts of wonders. He explores, and eventually finds a flower just like the one Nastenka described. The instant that he plucks it, however, a great storm comes upon him and the owner of the island - a hideous monster - makes his presence known. He tells the father that he will let him keep the flower, but in return, he must send one of his daughters to live with him. The father refuses, and the monster gives him a ring, telling him that whoever puts it on will be teleported back to the island and that if his daughter doesn't come then he himself must come and be killed. In the morning, the crewmembers of the father's ship (who had been searching for him) see him on the island and rescue him. Back home, the father prepares to put on the ring and meet his fate. However, Nastenka overhears a conversation where he reveals this to his friend when asking the friend to take care of his daughters once he had died, and she secretly puts on the ring herself. There, she expects to be killed but instead finds herself on a beautiful island and welcomed for by a kind, unseen host. She accidentally catches a glimpse of him eventually and is mortally scared at first. He allows her to go home to visit her family but tells her that she must come back by putting on the ring by 8pm or he will die of loneliness. Nastenka comes home dressed in splendid clothes and presents for her sisters. Her sisters, however, become jealous that she lives in a magnificent palace with untold wealth and secretly turns all of the clocks in the house back one hour. Nastenka looks outside and hears the clock chiming 8pm, and quickly goes back, only to find the monster near death. She is very saddened and vows to never leave him again, and with those words, the scarlet flower which she holds attaches itself to its original stem and the island fills with light again. The monster turns into a handsome prince and explains that he was under the spell of a witch from which he could only be freed from if he won over the heart of a lady while being in the body of a hideous monster.
That's the version I grew up with!
That sounds like it incorporated elements of Shakespeare’s The Tempest.
*!!!WHY IS THIS SOOOOOO LONG!!!*
you have such a soothing voice 😊❤
I know right
Finally a comment about this
You have inspired me to rewrite the story of Beauty and the Beast with incorporating some of the older elements. Let's have a version where the Beast's mother is in the picture -- a woman who leads battles would surely have taught her son to be a polite gentleman and treat ladies with respect! Hearing this well-researched commentary makes me really want to write this. I also love the idea of Belle attracting her sister's fiances, giving them a genuine reason to dislike her.
I have the Villeneuve version, I didn't know there was an earlier one. I find Belle's birth story fascinating in this version I love that she is part fairy part royalty and the reason she ended up with the family she did was because the fairy protecting her replaced the family's dead baby with her.
“Seriously spicy” And that is why I love your videos
I sense this is gonna be a beastly video
I see what you did there.
The Lost Yeti badum tshhhhh
Honestly, the version which I'm utterly fascinated by (maybe something to cover for a future video) is the story of Petrus Gonsalvus and his wife Lady Catherine. He was a man with a rare condition called Hypertrichosis in which the body is covered in hair. While the story of he and his wife has many terrible heartbreaking moments, due to an ignorant society who believed he and his children weren't fully human, it's believed with good reason that there was a genuine bond of love and affection between them once his wife saw past his 'beastly visage'. They had 7 children and were together for many years until his death in 1618 and it is believed to have been, at least in part, the inspiration behind Villeneuve's telling of the story.
I actually found a brothers Grimm version of the story on Audible. In this version of the story everything is similar to the others with the promise of a rose and the evil fairy, but in this version of the story each of the sisters has a try in staying with the beast starting with the oldest. Of course after seeing the beast each sister gets scared and runs home, with the youngest and most beautiful being the only one to stay despite being scared. On her week long visit back home she talks none stop about how kind and caring the beast is and how well he treats her, and her sisters, jealous that they aren't the ones being given the royal treatment, trick her into staying longer and try to make her forget her promise. It ends the same though.
Do you recall the title? I’d like to check it out! I also find it interesting, ‘cause the Grimms usually cut out the tales that contained faeries, since those Are more common in regional legends than in german fairy tales
Sorry, I can't remember. All I can remember is that it was in a collection of multiple fairytales written by the brothers grim. I also remember now that it was on kindle, not audible
@@_faith_6958 dang it!
@@_faith_6958 ok, so I did some research and found a few tales that could be it: "Of the Summer- and Wintergarden" ( Von dem Sommer- und Wintergarten) is the Grimm tale that most resembles the French "Beauty and the Beast", but was one of the tales that came from families of french immigrants. The Grimms tried (and sometimes failed) to cut most of the french tales from later editions of their work, which is WHY I COULDN'T FIND IT UNTIL NOW! >:( Anyway, it's pretty nice, the Black Animal lives in a garden that's half in Summertime and half in Wintertime, but the Beauty goes over her timelimit at her visit home because she was grieving the death of her father. Another tale, "The iron stove" (Der Eisenofen) has the prince cursed to be stuck in an iron stove, but after the hero princess frees him, she goes back to her dad to tell the news, but speaks too much and her prince is sent away. She then goes on a Quest™ to find him, and gets help from the cute and funny Toad Mother and her Toad Daughters (these faeries are Unken. In modern German this name is used to describe fire bellied toads, but originally they were sren as either toads or snakes who could turn into human women and lived underground with their queen, who often appears as the Snake Queen). The rest of the story follows the plot of most other German "Beauty and the Beast" type tales: She finds him far away, but he's marrying another princess, so she has to prove she's the one who saved him by buying from the new bride nights with the king.
The beast looking like Legoshi
I love watching your vids! You have a very gentle voice, like a mom telling her child a bedtime story
That's always what I thought of too
I laughed when she said "12 siblings, just imagine."
I have around 13 siblings, I get ya girl.
Hmm, the original is surprisingly more wholesome
It is funny to think that Villeneuve read the original telling, and decided the most important loose end to tie up was Beauty's eligibility. Just imagining him reading and being like "No, no, NO! The ending doesn't make any sense. Why would the Beast *marry* her if she's not even royalty?"
“12.......imagine.” Oh I can imagine more. One friend of mine online had like, 15 siblings. They’re pretty sweet people lol. Though yes 12 is still a lot.
I first heard the story as a child in the form of a Russian animation called Alenkiy tsvetochek (The Scarlet Flower) which shows the story almost exactly how you described. The youngest daughter saw a dream of a beautiful flower - the most beautiful one on Earth, and the father (a sailing master) could not find this flower even though he searched everywhere for it (although he was able to find magical and expensive gifts that the other daughters asked for). He got shipwrecked and found the Beast's castle where he was fed and clothed. When wandering around, he saw a beautiful flower that was growing separately in a special room. He picked it. The Beast got angry, asking "why you picked the One delight of my life? You will die an early death." The father said that he didn't fear death, and answered that the flower was for his daughter. In the animation, the Beast said to either bring one of his daughters (who will come to no harm) or return himself after having seen them for the last time. When the father gets home, with gifts from his travels, he doesn't tell his daughters about what happened. His youngest daughter overhears him telling the story to one of his underlings and saying that he will take responsibility for his mistake. So, when the family falls asleep, the youngest daughter takes the ring the beast gave to return and puts it on to go in her father's place. The rest of the story is similar.
I love this! Something I've noticed is that this shares a lot of parallels to the Eros and Psyche story from Greek Mythology. Belle has always been my favorite Disney Princess, so it's really fun seeing that the original version is nice rather than all the others being evil (although original Cinderella is my favorite fairy tale)!
Disney censoring all these fairy tales makes them completely different.
Yeah! They censor more than 4kids censor anime! 😂 (Of course, it wasn't just censoring - it was more or less adapting.)
@@0-Stars-MikiTune- yeah lol
It's Not Censoring,It's Retelling. Besides,Go Into Bell's Cottage At Disney World And You'll See The Book She Was Reading At The Start Of The Movie Was Flat Out Book Porn (Though The Page Shown Is In French).
@@JT5555 The book she was reading at the beginning was called "The Rules" hahaha, that's why her dress was gold, she was smart 👏🏻
Abitfrank:*just uploads*
Me:*Spills tea* A NEW VIDEO!?!?!? YESSSS
I like to argue that the original Beauty of the Beast Story was actually a Greek story, and it's the Myth of "Eros and Psyche". It actually makes sense that it is: Eros was portrayed to be a monster to the Greek Gods and sometimes humans not only because he supposedly was born at the beginning of time, but because he had the power to control the hearts of all men, women, and gods alike. This story also gave us the two jealous sisters, the invisible servants, the beautiful girl who doesn't see the handsomeness of the beast until later and for extra spice: a jealous goddess/mother-in-law who wants her dead. You should cover it cause your take would be epic
This story is indeed far more gentlemanly but can we not ignore:
The abusive way of loving when she's gone. He literally was gonna and threatened to kill himself
(still like this telling a lot more though)
aurora prinses he’s a legit niceguy
Considering the time periods, that's quite tame.
Comment section: fangirling over the beast.
Me: *laughs in lesbian*
I have found what I have searched for, after all these years
*laughs in ace*
*giggles in lesbian struggling with comphet*
*screams in hating labels and still going by pansexual*
*Laughs in confused*
Seeing the way that Abitfrank drew The Beast just reminded me of one quote:
“Eep’s got a boy-hog!”
“How Beauty and the Beast could have been seriously spicy”
*ACOTAR exists.*
Oh my god. THIS 🤣🤣😅😅😅😃😃 Faeries 😉😉
Someone made a theory that the beast in Disney version was only 10 or so when transformed into a beast. That would explain why he is so awkward to be around and the fits of rage.
I felt disney had thought of doing the sisters but all versions must have been Too Muchi like Cinderella's stepsisters so they were like "let's give Beauty a rude conceited guy who wants Beauty's hand in marriage" to be different
Your voice is incredible, there's just something so soothing about it. I seriously want you to read me a bedtime story every night
La belle et la bette, the French movie is so good!!!! It really brings fantasy out a lot more then the Disney version
i preffer the beast with his kind heart i would be seriously hooked
There's an old Eskimo version of this tale that I used to hear when I was a kid on these videos...it told of the beast being a generally kind and handsome man...but also turned into a bird...It's also the story of how a woman, wanting to feed her family, became a sea goddess of sorts, creating seals and such for her tribe's descendants to be able to hunt
I've found the inuit version is very similar with a bird man causing a storm to retrieve her back to his nest castle ...
@@jessicacroyle8668 at the risk of sounding horribly ignorant, aren't the Inuit the Eskimos? If they are different, I meant the Inuit, yes. I couldn't think of the word outside Eskimo at the time. Apologies.
But yes, the story of Sedna (sp?)
@@creakimoi2958 i apologize, I was redundant & Sedna is a wonderful story🙏🏼✨
God I want the beast to be my boyfriend tending to roses that’s adorable
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I read both the Madame Of Villeneuve and Madame Of Beaumont versions, and my favorite it's definitely the Beaumont version, although the Villeneuve it's really entertaining.
What I don't enjoy about the Villeneuve version it's the whole "you can change him" thing about the beast behavior and how the ending had so many random things that shouldn't have been added to the story
I don't know that first one put a bit of a smile on my face because the fairy turns them to Stone and the only way they can get out is unless they admit they were being jealous bad word. Something tells me they're going to be staying like that for a very long time 🤣 because she was being very considerate when it came toward them but no they just couldn't be happy for her. But on a I different note I can see why her sisters were jealous of her she was kind, generous, smart she had so many different dudes asking for hand in marriage that she always turned down. She's beautiful inside and out and it didn't help the fact that her name was beauty, even when their soon-to-be husbands came over they were fawning over their younger hotter sister rude😑 but then again she was the reason why they were getting married in the first place was because Bella wanted them to have a wealthy husband so they can live in comfort in so that way they don't have to live in it sticks anymore.
Can you do Aladdin or Princess and the frog? If that's okie?
Lmaooooo
I grew up with an almost exact replica of this original😂. The intro of disneys beauty and beast scared me so is tuck to reading a simplified childrens book. Which also had the beast getting mad at belles father for picking a rose after being so kind and the beast dying because belles wasnt there. Minus the sisters being statues and so on--
I like that Disney's live action remake brought back some details from the original tales, like asking for a rose, the rose being the reason for the dad's imprisonment, and even SUDDEN TELEPORTATION! 😂
There's a book called "The Beast's Heart" by Leife Shallcross which is very much like the original tale but for teens and it's really, really good. I recommend it. :)
This is SO cool to see the old tale animated like this!!! Oh man, great job abitfrank!!
Thanks Frost!
I remember being told a similiar version, though with one I found was that the sisters tried to kill Belle I believe by drowning her in the bathtub? I don't remember a lot, but I know it ends with them becoming statues until somebody would fall in love with them as statues (so basicaly making them stay as them forever).
I particularly enjoy the Happily Ever After telling. Which contains a lot of these elements.
How do you get videos out so often when the animation is so elaborate and incredible? I love your work and style, and am amazed by how fast you can get these videos to us, considering animation takes forever
Once I get past the fact that Belle is 12 at the time of the story, I really found the old time version more complex than the Disney sugar coated version. Too bad they dropped so much of what made the story truly ageless.
Yes finally, thank you this is one of my favorite tales
I literally grew up with this version, I loved the beast so much he was like a comfort character to me lol
I respect that you included once upon a time
Did the beast just m'lady his way out of a curse? Nice.
i also like to think about the similarities between this and the phantom of the opera. its surprisingly similar
it seems the orginal story took alot of inspiration from the myth of Eros and Pysche
When I first read the myth about Eros and Psyche, I thought that the Disney movie sort of had a similar plot. This video actually made me realise how very similar the story is to the myth.
The girl falls in love with the guy she’s living with (who she thought was a monster/is a beast) even though she can’t see his true appearance. The invisible servants. Her wanting to go home to see her family then being held back by her jealous sisters. The guy’s mother who objects to their marriage at the end.
Also I think Eros had some wound thing which wouldn’t heal until he was reunited with Psyche which is kinda like the beast trying to die of starvation. I’m not sure but it’s 2 am so I’m too lazy to check.
Honestly I really love the similarities. That being said, I’m glad that Belle doesn’t have to deal with a runaway husband, a murderous Aphrodite, three tests by said murderous goddess of beauty, etc. Basically most of the stuff that makes a Greek myth a Greek myth.
Anyway,, I really enjoyed this, I’m definitely gonna watch more of your videos.
You might like the Britannica animation for Beauty and the Beast. It's pretty gothic in appearance and rather strange.
GoodTimes has the best version - It has Old Man.
So the film version with Vincent Cassel as the beast is the more similar to the Villeneuves's one I think.
I didn't finish the film so I'm not sure but the beginning was similar.
When a CZcams channel puts this amount of effort into the quality of each video, it's only a matter of time before they make it.
Keep doing what you do and you'll blow up I promise yo
The Beast propositions Belle and is totally okay with her refusal.
What a chad.
Perrault? I found a website with all his stories and there was no "La Bell Et La Bete." I have a copy of the Villeneuve version also. He didn't ask to sleep with her and in that version Belle's mother is a fairy as well.
I wonder where she did her reseach as I also didnt found the story, if anything I found that the earlier story is from Villanueve or Straparola (that is if you dont count Psych and Cupid). If she were to consider Perraults version it would be Riquet of the Tuft...
It may just be a coincidence but K notice a lot of similarities between the Beauty in the Beast and the legend of Cupid and the woman he fell in love with. That was a very interesting tale. It actually opens with him being sent by enemies of her family with the mission of using his arrows to make her fall for the most feared beast in the world and he would, in a manner of speaking, succeed, because everyone feared Cupid and his arrows because infection the effect they could have on mortals and Gods alike. He accidentally pricks himself with an arrow and falls in love with her and has her come to his castle, (I forget how) and begins to court her but does so invisible. Her sisters are allowed to visit and they convince her that her invisible suitor could be a beast trying to gain her trust before fattening her up and devouring her. So she sneaks into his bedchamber as he sleeps and finds him lying there and after seeing he’s not a monster she heaves a sigh of release but the accidentally knocks over his arrow causing two accidents to happen at once. She spills some oil from the lamp burning him and cuts herself on one of his arrows.
Well Cupid wakes up, injured and in pain and sees her standing over him with a knife and well... it’s easy to figure out what conclusion he made and he spirited himself away and from there the story turns to her reddening herself by helping get the things his mother needs to treat his wound.
The thumbnail made me think some other versions had Beauty be evil and it was up to Beast to see past her pretty features to see what kind of person she was.
Hana Omer that’s be a good story
Honestly, both of your channels are my favorite CZcams channels of all time
Why do I know all of these stories already ? 🤣
This reminds me of a story with a dragon who locks a girl up in his tower for a decade then releases them once the 10 years are over
La bête was one hell of a gentleman. Who knew. Also, your voice is the most beautiful, relaxing thing to listen to 💜