The Importance of the Lord's Church | Counterpoint with Mike Hixson & BJ Clarke
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 14. 05. 2024
- Today, let's talk about the importance of the Lord's church. We know that there are people in the world today that minimize the importance of "the Church". But if we go back and read the scriptures, we have to come to an understanding that the church is God's redemptive plan, that in his wisdom, he decreed that the church would house the saved.
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Reconcile to God 2 Corinthians 5:20. Reconcile in the one body Ephesians 2:16. What is the body. Colossians 1:18. Great lesson
And none of your passages teach that the Church is the Redeemer, fail! Christ is Immanuel, and our Savior. When you move away from this you are teaching another gospel! Period!
2 Cor 5:20-21 teaches exactly my point. It is Christ that is reconciling the world to God. The church is the blessed beneficiary.
Please reply, what is th kingdom jesus talked about in Matthew 1618-19
Have ever God put salvation in ONE specific place? Genesis 6, salvation was inside the ark
Christ is the savior of what? Ephesians 5:23 the church (group of people who are saved, Acts 2:47)
It is only found in Christ. You are misreading the passage. Salvation is only in Christ and we (the church) are included in salvation because we are in Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit. The only place is Christ. We are the church, we never paid the price, we are not holy in ourselves, it is only in Christ. He is the plan of redemption, any other doctrine is heresy! Period!
You said it, âin Christâ what means to be in Christ? Being inside His Kingdom (Colossians 1:13-14), inside his body (Colossians 1:18, Ephesians 1:22-23) how are we put into Christ? By the baptism for the forgiveness of sins (Galatians 3:27, Romans 6:3, 1 Corinthians 12:12-13)
I am giving you many passages that God used to proof His plan of redemption, you CANNOT separate Jesus from the church, other wise you are separating the head from the body(Col. 1:18) you are separating the husband from his bride (Revelation 21:2) what kind of bride? Oh, He called it âholyâ, interesting, so he made the church holy by the purification of his blood (2 Cor. 5:21)
Please read those verses and their context and be honest if they are misread! May God bless you
@@davidmontero8015 your passages do not teach the church is our redeemer. They teach Christ is our redeemer! Please learn to read scripture, by understanding words and contextualizing passages. You do not understand my objection!
@@davidmontero8015 I am very honest about the scriptures, Iâve been deeply studying scripture for over 40 years. I studied under the greatest scholars in churches of Christ. Not one of them ever taught the church as the redemptive plan of God. It is impossible! Until you grasp this biblical doctrine you will never understand the Bible-never!
Dont understand ur reply
What bible r u reading from? Did the kingdom jesus promised to build in Matthew 16 :18, what is that kingdom???
@@wesleycrisp6523 It is the reign of God, that will not be consummate until the end of time. The saved/church are subject under that reign. Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Kingom does no mean reign. Where did u ge that definition. Kingdom means the same now as it did then. Christ is king over his kingdom
The Greek text and Greek lexicons. You donât know what you are talking about. I said the idea overlap but is not the same. Do you know that angels belong in his kingdom? (Isa 6). Learn the teaching of the Bible, it comes in handy.
Is not the church thise that the lord add to an r saved. If ur not on the church u r not saved. Acts 2:47. Ephesians 5:23, an so on
If you guys are preachers in this thread and teach that the church is the redeemer rather than the redeemed are promoting heresy. Nowhere in scripture does the Bible promote such a perverted idea. Only Christ is the redeemer--there is no co-redeemer! You need to step down from preaching because you need to learn the ABC's of Scripture. One can teach that the church was in the plan of God; and God has a redemptive plan, but you cannot biblically teach that the church "is" God's plan of redemption. You have not proven it.
The Church of Christ is like any other man-made denomination. Founded by men. You must have a different brand. You have made up doctrines everyone there must subscribe to or else, they canât stay. You have hierarchy, unlike the true Ekklesia.
@@laitek7218 You clearly do not understand churches of Christ. We are flawed but not as you describe.
Your title that "the church is the redemptive plan of God" is heresy. Christ is God's plan. The church is a result of the redemptive plan of Christ, it is not the redemptive plan. It is impossible. The passages you are using are not proof. Your message and the title do not fit together. You may want to change your title. Your title is the very opposite to your message (Thank God!)
Revelation 13 vs 8 the lamb that was slain before the foundation of the world. The church is part of the mystery revealed in Ephesians 1 vs 9 but more deeply in Ephesians 3 vs 1-11 vs 4 of Ephesians 3 when you read you will understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ vs 6 -7 the jew and gentile would be one in the body . What is the body Ephesians 1 vs 18-19 Colossians 1 vs 18 Ephesians 4 vs 4 the body is the Church. Let's look at the law of first mention. Where in the Bible is the word church said for the first time Matthew 16 vs 18. The first time the word church was mentioned Jesus said he would build it. There is no way around the truth
Evidently you didnât listen carefully.
@@rogerl-wd2xz That is not the case. Iâm right on. I know the book. It is the open title I am referring to, not the message. To claim that the church is Godâs plan to save man is ignorance to the max. I donât know even if they put the title on the video. Christ and him alone is the answer to save man.
@@rogerl-wd2xz The idea is a direct attack upon the cross and denies the power of the blood of Christ. Iâm not saying they believe this, I saying their title indicates rebellion against God. Their message is the very opposite.
I think what they said was plain and clear! What he meant by saying âthe churchâ is Godâs redemptive plan is from the beginning of time God had a plan to bring men back to Him. Christ is the ultimate plan of the sacrifice BUT you also have âthe churchâ Christâs bride as a foundation for Godâs people to worship. You canât get into the one and only â one Churchâ unless you are baptized into Christ.
Error! The Kingdom of Heaven is not the Church. A diligent study on that topic would help prevent your false teaching.
The church results from the reign of God in Christ by the Spirit!
What is th kingdom?? Is it the church???
@@wesleycrisp6523 It is not the same, but they are overlapping concepts. Kingdom means reign. It indicated the reigning of God in Christ. Church was a common communal term for the called and fellowship called of Christ. Those who are saved. The fullness of the kingdom will not be completed until the end of time.
@@wesleycrisp6523 The Kingdom of Heaven is a physical kingdom. The body of Christ (commonly referred to as the Church) is spiritual.
The church is a physical kingdom that inam a member of. The kingdom of heaven an the church r the same thing