Why Tape Girl Should've Been Vanny (And Salty Patient 46 take)
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- čas přidán 4. 08. 2024
- Today we're tackling two topics. Firstly, we're taking a look at the Tape Girl. Who she is, what she did, and how she led to the Glitchtrap virus spreading across the Pizzaplex- ruining countless lives in the process... And then we'll go over why she should've been Vanny.
Music:
- Sloppy Clav (Godmode- CZcams Audio Library)
- Princess Quest - Help Wanted/Security Breach
- In the Garden (Godmode - CZcams Audio Library)
0:00 Who was Tape Girl?
1:19 The Anomaly, Glitchtrap
1:59 The Tragedy of Jeremy
2:28 Tape Girl's Biggest Mistake
3:20 Tape Girl's Personality and Skills
4:34 Why Wasn't Tape Girl Possessed?
5:20 Security Breach's Cut Content
6:11 Vanny Should've Been Tape Girl
6:57 The Issue with Vanessa being Vanny
8:05 Vanny's Character & Tape Girl's Motivation
9:10 Vanessa vs. Vanny (Scapegoat and Savior)
10:26 Both Working for Afton/Glitchtrap
10:45 My Salty Patient 46 Take
11:00 Missed Potential for Tape Girl and Vanny - Hry
When Security Breach came out I literally thought Vanny was framing Vanessa. That would've made so much more sense, especially since they telegraph Vanessa being Vanny so hard it would just be way too obvious. All of the 'hints' just felt like red herrings. And yeah, I really hope Tape Girl comes back in some way, even if she can't be Vanny at least let her keep filling in the Phone Guy role, pleeeease I miss that.
Yeah she literally wrote her name on the wall for no reason allowing for gregory to say “disassemble vanny” and ultimately kill her
@@tapseymoth803 Right?? It's so contrived 😭😭
To be honest is still possible. The fire escape ending is still exist (not buying the spirit theory for now). It seems they made the game so it csn work in both ways until they will make up their mind on thr direaction they want for the story. Or, same as my theory, Vanny is Eleanor (and three TFTP books hinted her return so...)
I'm happy someone else sees this. I refused to accept Vanessa=Vanny because it's SO obvious that it would feel insulting if it were actually true
@@ExValeFor right? that's the ONLY reason i don't like the idea that they're the same. freddy outright going "it's like vanessa and bunny! 🤪" pure insulting 💀
I like the connections between jeremy and bonnie, further proving the fact that the missing child jeremy was stuffed into bonnie. Here, jeremy sliced his face off to rid of a bunny character. The only other time bunnies and faces were connected was with withered bonnie, a bunny with no face.
yess!! i always had this thought in the back of my mind just brushing it off as something stupid but finally someone points this out.
But withered Bonnie could see people stalk
Wandering bunnies a bunny with no face.
All of the Jeremy's have facial injuries, in fact. It's a weird, but common tie in between them.
The worst, the WORST MISTAKE Steel Wool made was not making Vanny the main antagonist of SB. I remember the absolute mania the fandom had before SB’s release, we were all chomping at the bit seeing how SB was going to revitalize the series and how Vanny was going to bring in the new era. The leaking that Vanny and Vanessa as the same person didn’t even matter, because we all just couldn’t wait to see how she would take over as the main antagonist. But then the game came out like… that. She was barely even in her breakout game. I still love her, I still LOVE Vanny, but moreso her untapped potential in the fandom. She was so underutilized in her own game that it makes me sad.
It’s such a shame. She just isn’t vanny in the full game (if you could even call it that). If I were to take a guess, her va was likely fired a few months before release. Meaning they didn’t have time to fully re record her lines and cut most of her scenes. I believe I’ve heard her “vanny meter” was cut in the summer of 2021, meaning the cut would of occurred extremely close to release. And now that we have ruin and she’s just…. Nowhere to be seen, vanished.
You know what would earn my trust more than a free DLC? A director’s cut of Security Breach with everything added back in. I’m wondering if eventually, that’s the plan. Nah, that’s too much effort lol
been saying that since the fallout of the game. It's not a hope, it SHOULD happen
Honestly, i wouldnt mind a comic or book that completely retconns security breach with what Was the original story
@@patrickserrats6919 honest to God, that’s probably the most cost effective way to do it. They might make some losses back.
For real life
This.
While I am relatively excited to see what b@tsh!t nonsense they’ll try to pull in the DLC (because that’s what I’m expecting at this point), it would’ve honestly been so much better and, at least for me, more worth the effort to fix the game and rerelease it how it was meant to be, instead of making some free DLC that (as far as I know) no one was really asking for or expecting.
YES. Vanessa being a scapegoat actually works with the Fire ending - Tape Girl steals Vanessa’s identity whilst also having Vanessa do good things to accidentally cover up their tracks with her reputation. The ONLY question is why she’s aggressive to a child, but A) she’s really stressed with the whole fake-her-leaving-red-herrings thing and B) due to the story GGY revealing that Gregory was possessed, she may still think Gregory’s another puppet.
Actually it works in the Princess Quest ending because you see that Vanny outside of the suit has a V E R Y different outfit on than vannessa, its not impossible that vanessa just disappeared at some point, which'd be likely due to vanny.
@@skullzans Yeah. I was just saying it also SOLVES the Fire ending’s problem
@@forkalamari6093 Ah. Apologies then.
Revealing that Gregory was possessed, she may still think Gregory Gregory's another puppet
I think her being stressed out over the red herring thing is a pretty good answer. Maybe the idea was later in the game (where the cut files weren’t cut and abandoned) she starts to soften up to him realizing what vanny is trying to do and she wants to get him out of there before whatever they were chasing him down for can happen. She inadvertently gets trapped with them, her security access revoked and together they have to breach it to make an escape together.
This would have made more sense. Tape Girl wasn’t possessed because she’s a survivor like the previous players. She is Phone Guy, who survived for so long working nights, until you got hired.
I always love how nonsensical FNAF technology is. Even past just sci-fi stuff like having advanced facial recognition software and incredibly complex AI in the 80's. Like, you can just scan a computer chip (not sure why you would even need something like that in a video game like this, or how you even get usable code from doing that) and that just puts the mind of a real, actual serial killer in your game. This AI mimicking a serial killer can somehow alter the game's code to place itself into the game environment as an actual entity (how long must it have taken for glitchtrap to model and animate himself?) and then he can possess you through a VR headset. This isn't even technology anymore, this is honestly just magic.
If you actually look at what the monster is. It’s a literal soul stealing Lich.
I just assumed Tape Girl was Vanessa and Vanny. Having a different voice actress doesn't have to mean it's a different character. Maybe they just couldn't get the same voice actress back and that's all the reason there was to the voice change.
Thank you finally I really don't understand the confusion with tape girl, vanessa and vanny like at all and I think your one of the few people who has had the same thought as me.
I just assume Vanessa and Vanny was the character we played in FNaF VR
Yes! THIS IS WHAT I EXACTLY WANTED WITH SB. I don't like the idea of Vanessa being Vanny, especially with Patient 46 existing. It seem like it was supposed to happen, but it never happened unfortunately, unless it is reckoned or the Encyclopedia lied...
I mean I wouldn’t be surprised,I wouldn’t take the encyclopedia at face value as it got a shit ton of things wrong
The Character Encyclopedia being wrong? No way! That's impossible! It's such a well written and accurate presentation of the Fnaf lore it would never blatantly get major facts wrong or assume things are true when they aren't. Right? Right guys? Guys...?
@@ShryStar if only 😖😖😖😖
@@ShryStar I thought it was, but no
@@quanashiab.9620 They’re being sarcastic. Your reply implies you didn’t catch the joke
My theory:
I think that they way FNAF lore is usually crafted is Cawthon coming up with his own narrative, putting out the game, seeing what his fans think, and then adapting his original narrative into a new one, in a way to either please or surprise his fans.
He leaves certain things vague, but tends to confirm them in some fashion much later after gauging the best path.
I don't think that's bad. I think it's a lot of fun and a big part of how we got the bite of '83 vs '87 and so on. There's nothing bad about responding well to feedback and trying to make your fans happy.
I feel like the Devs of Steel Wool thought of like five different ways they could handle Vanny/Vanessa, were uncertain which way to commit, and decided to 'just do what the other FNAF games do' and not give any solid answers.
Where this falls apart, is that they still left crumbs of all of their different ideas behind, and many of them clash with each other so blatantly that you can't commit to one conclusion without ignoring or denying all the other evidence in front of you.
TL;DR: I think Cawthon usually has a completed narrative in mind but he changes it for the fans, and Steel Wool tried to copy him but failed as they never chose a single narrative to begin with.
Well, we can hope that they learn from their mistakes before the DLC releases.
I believe Scott still writes the story! He just doesn't make the games nowadays. :)
I think it'd make more sense if she actually _created_ Malhare using agony from the charred remains of Afton, before inserting it into the game and trying to "induct" people into a sort of cult.
But how would she have gotten under his control
Why not in this scenario just make Vanny the main villain using Malhare as a tool? Why does Afton always need to be the main villain of everything? Like just in general even if he were a really great and memorable villain, he's had _six_ games and a very conclusive death by this point, and I don't even think he's _that_ because I think Afton is a shit and boring villain anyway.
@@zyill Precisely. He'd be the disciple instead of Vanny, and not the other way around.
Hey! I just wanted to say your thoughts and your opinions really breathe a new and refreshing view to the FNAF fandom for someone like me who's recently quit it. It's been so good to see so many new theories and thoughts coming my way not just from you, but from many others. I just wanted to thank you for being on this platform, your view on things has really changed how I see everything.
Agreed.
Thank you so much! 8D
This name. THIS NAME fits so well to respond to this video. Also, welcome back. You seem like a swell person.
Hi Fazbear Entertainment
@@skullzans Her vids are the best also 😩
Vanny honestly should just be someone, anyone. I can have fun with Henry’s terrible plans and Peepaw being Peepaw. I can have fun with the glitches. I can have fun Gregory being an evil gremlin by accident. I can at least appreciate Vanessa’s cut lines for what they are. But Vanny I have nothing because she is nothing. It took 6 months to place her in her “boss battle” and even then she shows up tposing. She repeats the same lines over and over again, she cannot check hiding spots, and I even found out that she isn’t even alerted if the staffbots find you, only if she sees you. She’s just not there. Even in the cut content the most I got is her doing some cool cartwheels or creepy running. The only cut dialogue is basically the same ones that we have now but with a different effect to them. Is she Vanessa, is she tape girl, is she anything… I don’t know and I really want to. I was so excited for her, even if I knew it was going to be peepaw again at least glitchtrap was fun so I was hoping for anything I could clamp onto. But she is just nothing. And while I don’t like using the books…. even there is just nothing. If anything the GGY story makes gregory look like even more of a gremlin than he already was which even though I do love calling him a gremlin and viewing the game from the narrative lense that he is evil…. just no. It means that Vanny is getting shoved even further away from the plot because if gregory is an evil gremlin then what the hell is Vanny then. What the hell is Vanessa? I just gave up because there just isn’t anything because she doesn’t do anything. It makes freddy’s line about there no longer being a bunny in the pizzaplex just evoke a far different emotional reaction. what I would love more than anything is to just be able to sit down with a steel wool dev who worked on the game and just ask flat out what happened. what did they think vanny was going to be, if they could change the game instantly to make her better what would she do, and if they are as disappointed as us. Ive been let down by fnaf before (who hasn’t by this point), but I don’t think I will ever be able to have any expectations other than “I wonder what trash fire this will turn into”.
I think it's safe to say the game was meant to be quite a bit different than it turned out. We see remnants of what was planned or considered in the game but I bet that there are huge chunks of the game that were removed or changed that haven't left as much of a trace. Vanny was given such a prevalent role in the marketing she no doubt initially had a larger role in the game itself. No self respecting developer would put that much emphasis on the character just for them to have 2 or 3 appearances at most in the game. Maybe they'll expand on her in some DLC or another game, maybe she'll be left to rot in this one to be forgotten. If the Afton ending is the canon ending, then Vanny hasn't been dealt with and she can continue whatever she was doing. I'm baffled either way that some people have her as their favourite character. She's just a big nothing.
The only plus side of having a nothing character is that she’s easy to head canon her into whatever you want her to be. And despite everything she is one of the two fnaf characters have plushies/merch of (the yootooz one was just too cute and if she cannot be in the game at least she can be swaddled with me and my other plushies). Also I imagine the other percent just comes from all of the adorable art of her taking care of peepaw and just wheelcharing him around. But from anything official… yeah she is just nothing. Any attempt of critical analysis feels like Im a teacher grading an essay that a kid forgot to do until the last minute and only wrote the introduction paragraph >~
@@tapseymoth803 the best way I can describe it is that she's like a concept of a character. They had an idea and drafted a vague concept but then didn't expand past the draft. A game tester that was brainwashed by a malevolent AI virus (even that part isn't clear, was it a brainwash or was her mind literally infected and merged with Afton's like it seems in HW??). It's a cool concept, my personal belief is that we are playing AS Vanny in HW, it would make sense that we get infected and would play into the fact that we can put on her mask and hear her voice speaking to Glitchtrap because we are actually speaking. So all in all a cool concept of a character and a neat way to continue with a new villain that is connected to the original villain but obviously this concept wasn't realised or had to be sacrificed for a more coherent and linear story.
@circus I feel that they could've gone that route. I don't know if the design of Vanny herself would work with that concept because right now she's cutesy and fun, trying to mimic Spring Bonnie would've when Afton was luring his victims. It just seems redundant for her to do that though because she isn't trying to lure Gregory, she has no reason to be pretending to be something she isn't unless she genuinely has sadistic fun with what she's doing. In any case, she isn't threatening looking and acting the way she does. I think if they went with the Vanessa route they could've had Vanessa get more and more dishevelled and messy as the night goes on, having her mask start to slip as she gets more blatantly frustrated, hostile, and desperate to get Greg. There's so many what ifs in this game.
@circus haha I meant mask in a more metaphorical sense. As in pretending to be an actual helpful and kind security guard but that "mask" starts to slip and she becomes more outwardly malevolent an explicitly evil. I don't think they went that route because they went for a more split-personality thing where Vanny is more like a different person entirely but I dunno that feels kind of lazy. Glitchtrap forces himself into your mind but he only influences you... sometimes? Feels like it should be a more all the time kind of problem. Also if they went that route, Vanny wouldn't be as marketable and iconic and we all know how important being able to market and make merch out the the characters is.
Vanessa being both Vanny and not Vanny is one of the worst crimes of Security Breach. It literally made itself more convoluted just to keep things vague. It reminds me of Hello Neighbor doing random shit just to get theories made about them.
They’re literally the teen and adult bodies made for Elizabeth Afton. It’s not that complicated.
@@justice8718 that’s a theory tho-
@@ASTERIA_YT Fire Escape.
@@justice8718 Once again, A theory.
@@justice8718 there is a lot of good evidence but no proof which is, unfortunately, what makes it a theory not fact
I think it's a shame how they've handled the story since UCN. I mean, the original story wasn't perfect, let's not forget the Puppet and SAVE HIM retcon for the book references, but this all feels a lot worse. There isn't even really any secrecy to the secrets. The original secret lore (Gosh I hate using that word nowadays just due to how overused it is by the internet) was, well, secret. You had to really look to find it, and even then it was vague, as intended. But the new stuff feels like it's contradicting itself, being inconsistent and not being as subtle or "oh cool secret" about the story. I dunno, these are just the ramblings of a madman who isn't fully in it right now. But I'm not the only one who feels the story is worse after the (final) intended end of fnaf's story?
I’ve hated the lore since Sister Location and I agree with you. Everything post Sister Location has felt sorta dumb in one way or another, especially Security Breach’s lore.
@@OutOfNameIdeas819 I can agree. Plus, given fnaf 4 was supposed to be the end, it would make sense, the story is stretched beyond what it was supposed to be to fill in the gaps but made more in the process. The tone also changed, being more sci-fi horror and less supernatural like 4 was the peak of.
@@inciniumz4671 Yeah because look at what we have now in current modern FNaF. We have memory juice from souls that can be put into metal, disks that can screw with people’s brains and make them hallucinate things, animatronic house maids that parody Hatsune Miku (only in the books), mad science, immortality, etc. it’s all bullshit and filler just to keep a dead franchise alive.
@@OutOfNameIdeas819 Yeah...
@@inciniumz4671 I miss FNaF 1-4. 2014-2015 felt like the best time to be a fan of FNaF. Every year since then felt like shit to be a fan. Especially post Security Breach, what do we have now? A bunch of mass produced horror stories that all suck ass? The Ruin DLC that Steel Wool only hinted at once last year with a teaser? I’m not excited for this franchise’s future anymore. I haven’t been happy with this franchise’s direction since Sister Location.
And let’s not forget the Vanny mask Glitchtrap plushie easter egg conversation in Help Wanted. Remember that? That voice was Tape Girl’s, not Vanessa’s.
Dunno just how involved Scott it with the writing these days, but it wouldn’t have hurt for him to be a little more implicated with this particular aspect of fnaf, and not just send Steel Wool stuff they had to add in SB by email, because at least with him there was hope for things to stay consistent. Maybe not a lot, cause he too is known to throw random ideas at the board, but still, it would’ve been better than nothing.
Ahh, in the words of the virtual machine Indian tech support God himself, Mutahar; it is what it is…
One thing I noticed about Vanny and Vanessa is that if their character models are put together side by side Vanny is a lot shorter than Vanessa her shoulders hardly reach, if they were the same you'd think the devs would've caught that as a mistake but it wasn't. ( i also don't think Vanny is Vanessa's split personality, how would she quickly change into her costume only to snap back to normal when it's convenient?)
Safe to say (at least for me) that Vanny was easily the most "disappointing" thing about Security Breach. How I felt is even if the game sucks there is no way they can screw up Vanny, she seemed like her character was already made and she was gonna be an amazing and iconic villain but somehow, someway, for some reason they messed up Vanny.
oh wow, I always figured they just had a different voice actress and that Vanessa was tape girl the whole time given how much more sense it makes
Glitchtrap is the embodiment of fnaf's missed potential horror wise, a disturbing THING in a golden cartoonish rabbit mascot suit, and it SPEAKS to you, not using its own voice, rather the voice of the person you thought was Helping you, reducing them to nothing but a speaker, a puppet, even a mask.
it's really upsetting that fnaf doesn't utilize some of its really good plot points and ideas for really convoluted ones that don't make sense in the end. like fnaf started as a haunted pizzeria where dead children were possessing the animatronics and now there's like none of that, the last time we got any of that was roughly sister location and that was really only one mention. i wish the series utilize the fact that ghosts exist in this world and not that all of the robots are super intelligent, like william afton doesn't need to come back as an animatronic, he can come back as a ghost that i don't know figured out how to clone himself and now he's possessing people, he doesn't need to hack into people's brains that's stupid
I'm so glad someone finally talks about Tapegirl. It seems as if the larger community just forgot about her.
I find it frustrating how Help Wanted setup (at least) 2 possessed people (Tapegirl and the player) and yet SB didn't do anything with that.
Honestly It would have been cool if After you discover Vanny identity she shatters Freddy, turning him into an enemy and pushing you to team up with Vanessa to stop her and you get to know more about Vanessa in the process
Guess we can only dream,,,
But the teory is actually so cool! Keep It up!
I agree regarding your theory of Vanny/Vanessa. Definitely a good theory that “Vanny” calls herself that to frame Vanessa.
I loosely followed Help Wanted's lore so I was really surprised when I found out that Tape Girl _wasn't_ Vanny
Something simple that I kind could have really helped make Vanny more interesting would be instead of lame collectables that equate to 3d models that you can't even turn around (to my knowledge, maybe they changed it in an update), have tape recorded messages or even just notes made by Vanessa/Vanny detailing her confusion, struggle to keep contain her murderous other, and the general horror being controlled by a murderous alter-ego. It definitely could have came across as cringey, but with good writing and a stellar vocal performance I think recorded messages giving more information on Vanessa/Vanny would have been amazing collectibles, this is just a random idea but I think having the last one end with the reveal that Vanny has been leading you into a trap by following breadcrumbs she left i.e the tapes, and maybe have a secret encounter with her where you die everytime you find the last tape, unless you do something like beat the princess quest games or something, I think something like that could have been a really cool rare achievement or something, hell maybe it could even be its own ending where you save Vanny from the Brainwashing and she helps in the final parts of the game unlocking a final ending/boss with Afton or The Blob, idk that's a bit much I think it'd be cool, or at the very least having pre-recorded tapes as collectibles detailing more lore, maybe stuff like when/why/how the pizzaplex exists, Gregorys backstory, the missing kids we only really find out about in the ending, anything really.
To be honest I just assumed Tape Girl was Vanny before SB came out, it just made sense and I wouldn't see why they would make it a different person.
I really like your take on this with tape girl I agree she should have had a way bigger role as well.
She reminds me a bit of Henry trying to stop an evil and avenge a friend of hers.
She totally could have been the tape girl for security breach as well. Trying to help the player put a stop to this once and for all.
If I didn't already like the potential of Vanessa being Vanny, tape girl would totally be my candidate for being Vanny.
Hope we can see her again one day
Pretty interesting idea, making Vanessa and Vanny would've indeed been better, but alas...
I'm still curious about how Glitchtrap would work in SB, with the actual Afton still being alive, a shame that too was never brought up.
Anyways, Tape Girl yet again another character lost to time...that's starting to make a lot of characters, isn't it?
Nice vid as always!
Glitchtrap is in security breach,In the arcades,Mentioned in the CDS literally referenced in posters and also failing to shut freddy down at the start.I am upset the virus didnt actually appear but that doesnt mean he isnt there maybe he will actually appear at the Ruin dlc.Also tape girl might be used again who knows
@@official_1st628 how it would work with Burntrap aka the real William Afton I mean. What would their dynamic be and all, because as of now it's kind of a missed opportunity
Hey not exactly a missed oppurtunity we gotta have faith for the DLC
I absolutely agree with this video and I think @Fuhnaff shares he same sentiments about Tape Girl, that she should’ve been a larger part in the story. Also, the part about killing the shareholders, there was a lore hint that shows that Fazbear Entertainment doesn’t have shareholders since it’s a LLC, which means the sole individual(s) have complete ownership.
I probably misspoke with the term 'shareholders'. I more meant people overseeing the company. Big wigs and all that. XD
Spoilers for GGY, aka, the reveal of patient 46 down below:
Y'know what role tape girl could've easily fulfilled if sb wanted Vanessa and Vanny to be the same person and while having the therapy cds? Tape girl being patient 46. Patient 46 is implied to be controlled by Glitchtrap and who do we know other than Vanessa to be under his influence right from the get go? Tape girl. We know that tape girl can be secretive depending on the circumstance even before she met Glitchtrap. We also know that tape girl takes a lot of effort into finding her research. Her research btw, is something that both the Fazbear and her gaming company is trying to hide from her and the public as well. So it wouldn't be surprising that tape girl knows how to hack not just because she works at a gaming company but also a explanation of how she figured out that the companies were lying to her. And what do we know that 46 did to the pizza plex security system? Hacking in and causing a whole virus to take over. Another thing, 46 does not talk at all. By having tape girl be 46 and not talk at all, it could've been such a easy way to set up a mystery while without being too obvious. Then the viewer would have to solve who 46 is by using context clues and having the cds parallel how tape girl created those tapes.
The biggest problem that I have with 46 is that not only is 46 a child, but it's Gregory out of all characters. Gregory being 46 has no affect on the plot of sb. For one, when you collect all those cds as Gregory, Gregory doesn't even react to them, not at all. If Gregory is 46, then shouldn't he be reacting towards HIS therapy sessions?? I wouldn't even mind the fact if Gregory just forgotten after he was freed from Glitchtrap but those cds should have made him REMEMBER that he got possessed and that he was the one that hacked the glamrocks. Another problem that I have with Gregory 46 is that it's just not foreshadowed well and we don't really learn about what Gregory's character is outside of the pizza plex, where we could see parallels between him and 46. The only 46 lines that I've found particularly Gregory is the lines "you seem like a lone wolf type" and "I know what happened to your parents was tragic." We know that Gregory is independent and seemingly doesn't have a family, so those fit, however other than that, the whole 46 thing could apply to any child. Even the dlc girl if fnaf really went that far. Not to mention the reveal wasn't even in the game, but in a fazbear frights spin off book.
Thanks scott for making fans pay another 40-30 dollars just to understand the basics of the lore that should had been explored in the main game. Honestly if you took out the cds and the mike afton room completely, then sb would still be the exact same. Fans could've easily assumed that Vanny hacked the glamrocks by being Vanessa and having access to the security system. Y'know, how a main villain should set things in motion for the main protag to face. 46 should never been a child at all and should have been tape girl, or just have the cds and that room be removed entirely and just have Vanny be the reason why the glamrocks were hacked. Sorry for the very long comment, but I have been so excited to talk about this topic ever since I saw your tape girl post and I love the discussions you bring to fnaf.
The way I see it, Vanny could still be Tape Girl, just probably before Afton takes her over.
I genuinely thought for the LONGEST TIME that Vanny WAS tapegirl and that was such common knowledge that no one really brought it up!
I seriously would like the Vanny is Tape girl and is framing Vanessa kinda story. Or maybe both on Afton's side. The "Both of you" with Afton's voice in the trailer was never acknowledged by big FNAF theorists and I'm pretty happy you didn't skip through it cause I feel like it's an important clue.
Ngl having Vanessa chasing down Vanny/Phone Girl would have been perfect because it would also explain why she's so annoyed with Gregory, he could be messing up the plan she'd set to finally catch/stop Vanny but now she has to make sure HE doesn't die to her in the process. Just, a lot of missed opportunities for a really cool story it's so sad.
Your salt sustains me. Please don't stop with these critiques! They're super interesting.
help wanted is such a cool game and has some really neat lore in it, and its a shame that so many potential storylines that could've come from it were squished by security breach being so rushed. i'd love to see tape girl return, continuing to be our new phone guy, but like you said, it's probably been too long to expect her to come back :(
but i totally love the idea of vanessa being used as a scapegoat by afton and vanny! i've seen a few theories around that vanessa may actually be elizabeth afton, and while i am exhausted by the concept of having absolutely every character needing to be tied to the aftons in some way, with the context of her being used as a scapegoat by william, it feels more like a painful, sad irony rather than unnecessary and frustrating. elizabeth was the favored child, but now she's being treated just like her older brother was. it demonstrates how bad of a father william was (and still is), which i feel like has really only been explicitly discussed in the books.
Vanny was the last shot at any of the new lore being any good. I so desperately wanted her to not just be Vanessa - because it was so obvious that it literally hurt. Legit don't think the wasted potential is something the story can recover from in the long term. Now everything is afton! Give it time and it'll turnout mapbot was afton too!!!!!!
Now this would be a better scenario, like, the fact Vanny was found out being Vanessa so easily is so silly like, even i thought she might be Vanessa when i started watching the walkthough ngl. 😭
One thing I find interesting about the rubber masks, is there's an animatronic that walks like Vanny with the swinging arms, and says "Are you having fun?" It's Sun. It's probably just lazy modelling from SteelWool, but still interesting.
It’s definitely an odd Scott decision.
people tend to wildly overcomplicate tape girl telling you how to defeat Afton
you know how whenever you do something on an old console that uses an external memory device and it flashes the huge bold letters in caps saying "do not unplug memory card"? she's just telling you to do that, severe the connection between two points while glitchtrap is in the process of moving between them, its something that consistently corrupts saves so it makes sense that someone would have the idea to do that to corrupt and destroy a piece of malicious code
Maybe security Breach should have been broken up into episodes or parts of a single game, I think they shot themselves in the foot going so big and scraping things time and time again with deadline
Honestly, that would've probably worked a lot better. Plenty of games have succeeded using the 'chapter by chapter' approach.
There has always been a part of me that doesn’t like how Fazbear Entertainment has become a giant mega corporation. I think my biggest reason for disliking this is because I find it unrealistic (In this series about spooky ghost robots).
This company has multiple dead children in it’s history books, yet every time the story continues, they are not only still around, but also growing bigger and bigger. If this were real life, I feel like that company would hit a massive road block if even just one child died, much less a whole group, and one of those children being the owner’s daughter, who was killed by his business partner.
To me, I like to compare Fazbear Entertainment to The Jerma Wrestling Federation. Every time they come back bigger, but also at least one person dies during the show.
"How about we have a new villain, with an origin story and moral conflict?"
"Nah, marketable bunny girl and William Afton again, but shorter."
"..."
"And we'll put the twist reveal in a random book released like two years after the game instead of in the game!"
*Somehow everyone claps at this genius storytelling*
Yeah I'm still salty about GGY too.
"All DSAF references in Dialtown" video when?
Thank you for making this video. I thought this concept would make more sense than what we have now. However, I did it in reverse. My take is that Vanessa was the Tape Girl. After she stepped down, Vanny became the new play-tester. Being the hacker she is, she found Ness' old logs and reconstructed Afton's code. He didn't manipulate her afterward. Instead, Vanny was already a bad person, and Afton saw this. He then became her mentor. And eventually, they went after Ness, which is how she became possessed in the first place. Logically, after that ordeal, the Tape Girl would never have gone back, which Vanessa's dialogue suggests. So Afto couldn't have been possessed her through the VR game. He needed an intermediary.
@HorrorLover
Interesting. I like where your head is at.
Couldn't have been possessed her through the VCR game.
Exactly, @@tayloranderson7547, not without someone to help him.
I remember first going through security breach and seeing how incredibly obvious the ties were with vanny and Vanessa, up to Freddy CALLING OUT how it can't be a coincidence, I figured the "twist" was going to be that they weren't the same. I think almost any other series would have done this, and that would be it. The fact that they turn out to just be the same makes it feel so silly that they have all these huge glaring signs, it feels like they think the player would be too stupid to figure it out. So bizarre.
I feel like this makes a far more satisfying story than the one we ended up with
9:18
I think the reason for this might be that Fazbear Entertainment deliberately brought her on to do this. It's mentioned how she was recommended for the job from 'The top' despite the fact she had no prior Expirience with security.
That and other things, such as the construction workers specifically calling out how 'someone must have known about this right?' when talking about the things underground; all seem to indicate that the new iteration of Fazbear Entertainment is no longer just incompetent. Rather they are actively in cahoots with William now. The Pizzaplex was built to be a place where they could cover up the murders and they brought on Vanessa sense she was the one William picked.
I don’t think so. I think they’ve brought her in because she is Elizabeth Afton. One of the potential people who can understand and comprehend Afton’s work to inherit it.
“But how?”
Charlie had three robots. One for her childhood. One for her teen years. And finally, one for her adult years. SB implied that Baby was just one of the bodies that contained Elizabeth’s soul. There were others.
Interesting theory. I never liked the theories about Vanny being both Vanessa's alternative personality AND Patient 46. I'd think "Why would the therapists label the CDs that way? It's just one patient, you don't document other personalities like a whole separate patient." And up till now I truly believed Patient 46 was Luis, but now you got me thinking. If 46 was Vanessa's "single white female" copycat that would make so much more sense. The rooftop ending was so odd with Vanessa=Vanny, having Vanessa's spirit wearing her uniform and not looking ghostly at all while looking down at her own body. So instead, that ending was part of some obsolete story premise which got revamped and they just left it in there unedited for whatever reason. They could have at least removed the shots of Vanessa on the rooftop. I guess you just throw this on the pile of problems caused by SB's rushed development.
What do you mean? Tapegirl is not Vanessa? I always thought she was. Is theres something that contradicts this that I'm missing?
@HorrorLover In the mask thing I thought the interpretation to have was just that the mask was kind of... speaking? I see where you are coming from.
It would have been cool if Tape Girl was Vanny, and Vanessa was a coverup. Having Vanessa be set up as the villain only for it to be revealed in the end that she wasn’t actually Vanny would have been so interesting, and a plot twist that could have actually worked. People were already speculating about Tape Girl being Vanny when they found the logs, so it’s not like she’s some random character no one cared about. People obviously thought she was going to play a bigger role than just another Phone Guy, but then Vanessa showed up. I don’t know, it just feels like Tape Girl was cut short last minute.
God damn your points and ideas are so good in this video
You should get hire to be a writer for future games or anything
A S A P
D'aww! 😊Thank you!
omg the bunny slippers reminded me of that weird tweet from youtooz "who doesn't want to be inside of vanny?" eyuck
Five Nights at Freddy’s VR: Help Wanted was such a promising start.
It wasn’t a full on reboot but it teased a new beginning.
Fazbear Entertainment was back and developing a VR Game about their past history in order to sweep it under the rug. However, they accidentally downloaded a Computer Virus that was developed by the late William Afton that contained his personality.
The virus now infects the person in the headset creating a new villain.
Then Security Breach brings everything back in one game for no reason. Making things unnecessarily confusing when it was supposed to be a new chapter, a new era for the series.
What’s even more frustrating is that we still don’t know of Burntrap was William Afton himself or Glitchtrap or the Mimic possessing what remains of his corpse.
That’s not even getting into the wasted potential of Vanny and how Glitchtrap has seemingly been forgotten in “Ruin” being replaced by the Mimic who may or may not be Glitchtrap.
Geez! This is confusing for what was supposed to be a refresh.
"No relation to the night guard Jeremy" and now, almost all of 'em are up for debate.
Dude I love your videos
Keep up the good work!
Im caught off guard by the thought that Tape care.. isn't Vanessa? Which is Then also Vanny. I do love your take and this could have definitely been interesting but to me it seemed pretty clear tape girl was mind controlled. And is Vanessa. In a world where one man can voice teo different characters I don't think voice actors are all that important. Maybe the voice actress couldn't come back or Scott had a different vision for what the character could sound like. Many possibilities. And again, actually love your ideas for what could have been. I just didn't realize there was anyone question where tape girl went. And not agreeing its Vanessa.
I love your videos! Really nice job! ❤
Super interesting as always!
Interesting video. Tbh with you.. I was zoning out on what you were saying lol. But still, it's always interesting to hear your thoughts.
I'm not toooo aware HW lore but, the way you were describing how they could've went with tape girl was intriging to say the least.
Also thoughts on patient 46.. I actually like it quite a lot. It honestly is THE thing that is intriguing me to see where stuff is headed.
In all honesty I think we SB got was the after effects of a company ripping apart a game to push a deadline / making more kid friendly then half-heartedly sewing it together.
#NotRealName i had actually written or either just implied that tape girl was becoming vanny in my own story regarding my own character who was trying to solve what happened to the vr game, with Jeremy, and then near the end stated how "tape girl mysteriously disappeared not to be seen"
I genuinely love your content and you genuinely seem like such a fun person I get excited whenever you post!
Thank you so much! 8D
The more i know about FNAF, The more i realize how much wasted potential it has
I thought they were the same person
Wait she is not ?
mannn it breaks my heart that we'll never see vanny again in the actual story. you think they could have gone more than one game before killing her off / redeeming her
Tape Girl and Phone Guy are both just hanging out in the back room with Bonnie and Foxy
I stg i love you so much, godly content keep it up.
you are becoming one of my favorite fnaf youtubers! keep up the good work! much love
This fits so well with what I initially thought was going to be the story going into the game
Hey, I've seen some of your other theory videos on fnaf, mainly fixing Security Breach, and a few others, and I think you have big potential to be a theorist in the community, and possibly one of the bigger creators could notice you. Keep up what you’re doing, and I love your content!
Thank you!
I loved Tape Girl. I found her voice very unique and liked it alot.
Love your videos!! ❤️
I think it makes more sense to conclude that tape girl is possessed in some of the tapes (they aren't in order) since her motives and attitude changes. I always thought it was her that you saw as glitch trap. And after the ending you became another glitch trap. I agree that she should have been vanny but not prior to finishing the tapes.
And this is one of the many reasons why the two newest games in this franchise are not my favorites. I don’t really like the direction the game is are going into. I would like to think Vanni has split personality disorder, which would also make her Vanessa, but that also doesn’t really make sense or work. But security breach gave us so little to work off of That it’s almost possible
Bringing a real mental disorder into the equation and demonizing it like lots of media tends to do may not be the best route to go down.
The whole time I thought tape girl was Vanny. The fact that she isn't is a waste
Great job
Super awesome video. It would have been awesome to see Tape Girl being Vanny.
love your hypothetical way more
Hey mate, I found something new in dsaf 3
if you talk to the purple phone about his past in the evil ending, you get WHOLE new dialogue threatening his damn SON
This would make the vr sisters thing a relevant clue again.
petition to give the three Jeremy's last names. Jeremy Missingchild, Jeremy Biteof87, and Jeremy Norelation.
Great video as always, it took me a very long time to accept that vanny wasn't tape girl. I still think she SHOULD be but the game really doesn't want to go that route it seems.
i’ve only seen your videos with dsaf and i have never heard your voice before this was very unexpected.
I thought Vanny/Vanessa was tape girl
Vanessa and vanny make me so upset because there’s so much potential to have a good antagonist in fnaf that isn’t an Aston but of course we can’t have nice things
this whole time i thought tape girl WAS Vanessa/Vanny from her suspicious knowledge lmao
I like to think Tape Girl is Phone Guy's relative
I know this video came out way before this was announced but they're coming out with Help Wanted 2 later this year, maybe they have plans to bring Tape Girl back in a bigger role this time or even just a small cameo
In depth analysis videos like these always make me wonder how fans are always able to come up with better storylines and better fixes to narrative and gameplay problems than the so-called professionals who make these games.
i've genuinly thought Vanny WAS tape girl until watching this video
For a while I thought she was. Only a few months ago I looked it up and was like, "Wait, what?"
Honestly I %100 agree, I actually really liked tape girl because she was one of the few phone guy type characters and I honestly wish they did that a bit more. By the way, what are your thoughts on fuhnaffs theories?
I haven't actually watched any of Fuhnaff's videos, so I'm not sure. 😅Not that their videos aren't probably great, I'm just not really into theorizing directly.
I agree! It's already hugely implied that Vanny was a play tester, and that's how she got infected by Glitchtrap! In my mind she IS Vanny!
Huh,I wonder why they didn't make Vanessa the Tape Girl... Maybe it was a try to the parallel between The Phone Guy(Tape Girl) and William(Vanny) and how everyone thought that the phone guy was William?
This entire story is so convoluted. is there even a definitive outline to any of this or is it all just rewritten and retconned to fit a new chosen narrative?
The game (security breach) mentions on one of the posters that it's now an LLC... so no shareholders are attached anymore I would think as LLCs exist to technically deny liability. Just thought that was interesting to point out because Fazbear entertainment was burned down to the ground along with Henry in FNAF 6.
i forgot about her
because of vanny
9:42 they became an LLC company after FNaF 6 notice the copyright info on Balloon world