Classic Car Market- Is There A Cut-Off Date?
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- Is there a dividing line between cars that will always be collectible and those that will never stand a chance? We may have found that point.
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Things that keep me out of a new car
-Direct gas injection
-$600 replacement keys
-R1234yf a.c. refrigerant
-Lack of dipsticks
-Looks like every other car
-Software updates
-Price and insurance costs
Software updates. Ugh
And direct carbon injection.
Amen! I love my 70's vette for those reasons.. I have two modern cars (08 and 16) and the 16 is a worry for me.. it's a VW jetta GLI and i am constantly paranoid that it's going to just die despite the low miles, i don't trust it. Getting ready to swap it out for another classic this year!
71 charger, 72 duster, ~ my go to cars.... currently in a 2012 charger & can't maintaince anything besides brakes, oil, plugs ect.. other than that a laptop & programs to see what went wrong
Hate the new stuff...give me a Carter AVS, solid cam, adj. rockers, dual point dizzy & I'm set....
@@rniejx4219
Dual injection solves that. Mustang GTs have it
“Cars for cause” “cash for clunkers” the programs to destroy all classic cars to stimulate new car sales.
The damage of left wing policies.
@@billb.950 the far left.... a true mental disorder
@@billb.950 More like what's left of them when Republicans turn it all pro-corporate.
Roland B exactly that. Exactly
Ruined used car market too
Bill Burki leftists have no limits to their agenda
Cash for clunkers killed many good used parts😢
I saw a 1970 Coronet440 sent off to the crusher, Perfect original condition. An old lady Couldn't drive any more and thought 500.00 bucks was a good deal. I saw it in the lot and i asked the State Referee whats the deal with the Mopar he said it was going to the crusher. I said what i will buy it how much? He said to late it is in the system. so sad I told him if anything comes in again like that tell me...Of course never again. I almost cried watching it go away. it was perfect a little fade but straight as an arrow with a 318 and A/C. Gold color
@@joshn938 thanks to cash for clunkers anyone that could afford to buy the new cars could afford to take care of the old cars. all those cars were destroyed and now the private seller used car market is nothing but high mileage overpriced junk that's been neglected and worn out.
Cash for clunkers is bs. They did it so they could shut Americans cars off when they needed to withcomputers 😂
Cash for clunkers was a bullshit government PR stunt that should never have happened and it did absolutely nothing to help the environment.
@@fossil-bit8439 everything the government does is a bs pr stunt to steal our money
This is why it is very important to support the right to repair act. It's not just for cars,it applies to everything.
This is true but it seems like the average consumer never picked up a wrench and doesn't give a shit
@@robs1852 True, but for those of us that do, we have to fight for the right to repair our items. There's so much waste in this country that you could literally scout the curb for your yard equipment. I know I have-----3/4 of what I use to mow, trim and edge my lawn came from the curb and now runs like brand new with a little TLC and maintenance.
Yep. Lefties whine and complain about the end of the world environmental global warming scam every 2 seconds. Right to repair - OH NO we must have NEWER and NEWER icrap and battery filled cars. So you mention to lefties repairing/maintaining items will keep materials out of the trash cycle. Then the lefties get mad......Idiots.
Also mention how much pollution battery production causes and watch lefties explode.
@@TheBlindingwhite Left, right, center, LOL, it's common sense. If you have something that exists, it takes less material and energy to fix it and keep it out of a landfill than it does to create a new one to replace it. Small engines are very reliable with simple TLC. If you change the oil once a season, clean/change the plug also once a season and keep the air filter clean, you will be rewarded with 20+ years of service on a good American made small engine if you do nothing else to it. I just got done mowing the lawn at my workshop with a mower that I found at the "curbside store" back in 2011. It's been running great all these years. Only in 2016 did I have to put a new primer and carburetor bowl on it. Other than that, it's been nothing but maintenance for going on 9 years. It was made in 1996, so do the math and figure out how old it was when I got it.
@@TheBlindingwhite In my hometown there is a "repair cafe" once a month in town, where people can bring stuff to see if it can be repaired either on the spot or as soon as parts can be located. Not a massive greeniw myself but it seems quite sensible in a 1950s kind of way.
Tony I live in Tennessee and work for a local Ford dealership in Memphis and I honestly couldn't have said it better myself. Technology has absolutely ruined cars in my opinion. I'm 24 and I feel like I belong in a different era. Computers shouldn't be required in order to repair a car, but unfortunately now it is. I can't even get a simple multi point inspection done without the use of two seperate computers and it kills my soul. Keep the videos coming.
P.S. I think I have a soft spot for Mopars now.
rp94cobra Same. I’m 17 going on to 18 and I feel like I don’t belong in 2019. I feel like I belong in ‘89, or ‘79.
Swagmaster 64 r/lewronggeneration also, the fact that you need computers isn’t the greatest, but today’s cars perform incredibly, and if computers are what you need to get that performance, then I think it’s undeniably worth it.
I will disagree somewhat. When I was growing up and driving klunkers, dinking with carbs and points was a pain in the butt. Cars were pretty much shot over 150k. Don't get me wrong, I still drive klunkers and I enjoy buying a car for a few hundred bucks, fixing it's issues and driving the wheels off the car. using this strategy some times you loose, but not much, and when you win it feels real good as you watch the suckers making payments for 5 or 6 years.
Diagnosing problems is a bit more complex, but if you take the time to learn the technology, it will pay-off. consider some examples. I got a 97 Ford Aerostar van that had no particular issues at 113k mi and I paid $1300. I noticed that my temp was creeping up and my heater was a bit week. I spent $450 and a weekend in the driveway replacing every bit of the cooling system. The temp dropped down and stayed. It also needed a battery, but had never failed to start.
Still runs good at 175k.
I got a 95 Chrysler New Yorker with 50k miles for $600. Issues were no trans, and the tires were aged. I paid a tranny shop to overhaul the trans, got a new set of Michelens, and paid for an intake manifold gasket repair. I gave it a new set of plugs and wires. It now has 60k and has an ABS light and traction light. I have a scanner but have yet to plug it in, but I suspect the issue will be an easy fix.
These days plugs last 100k miles in the old days 12k tune up intervals. Batteries tend to go 5 years. In the old days it was every year. Fan belts tended to get over tightened and cooked alternators. Now we have belt tensioners and seldom loose alternators. Starters last a lot longer because the cars start faster with fuel injection and electronic ignition.
I’m 33 and want to be from the 1940s. Then I’d be old enough to live (if I would have made it back from Nam) to fully enjoy the glory days.
Cash for Clunkers is to blame for this. Even something as common as Chevy S10 parts are getting harder to find and they made millions of those as recently as less than 15 years ago. It seems like anything 1985-1995 just completely evaporated. When I was a kid pounding the yards in the mid-90s, there was still 1960s sitting around and 1970s stuff was like cord wood.
This is also apparent in Jeep Cherokees of the same years. Luckily these jeeps had strong sales numbers till the end and kept a lot of the same parts through the years.
That is probably a reason why younger kids are more into import/sport compact cars now. They got too good of gas mileage to meet the criteria for the cash for clunkers deal so the little 30 mpg 4 cylinder economy cars didn't get scrapped like gas guzzlers did so the cars and parts for them are still readily available.
You want a newer then 95 powertrain for the s10 anyway the gen2 4.3 is solid doesn't stop running most parts fit all the years I know my 99 blazer will live my lifetime plus I have just about everything to rebuild the hole truck again besides the main body and frame parts are everywhere a valid point is made in the video but sadly everything has an end, and I'd not worry about ob2 newer vehicles there's tuning software and aftermarket computers one can buy to make any vehicle run better than off the line new
@@annabellewolfgang7177 I currently have a 97 Blazer (a project on my channel) and an 01 S10 pickup... Depending on your part of the country, body parts are long gone in the junkyards and I don't think GM sells everything anymore either (the 3rd door on my extended cab is discontinued). So, there are exceptions to every rule. I'm not personally as concerned about computers and sensors and such as people have been saying this ever since the beginning of fuel injection and yet there are still modern classics on the road right now with their stock electronics. Time will tell...
@@TheBrokenLife agreed, as fun as carbs are fuel injection is just where it's at for reliability and performance, I see most carbed motors going FI even restored classics frankly inevitable
I like the 4 door 6 cylinder cars with zero value so that I can drive them, maintain them, and enjoy them! Like my '65 Falcon 4 door! No value at all, but I have learned alot working on it, and I'll drive it forever if it holds together here in Indiana!
I’m live in Evansville Born and raise in Indiana
Zach Winter I’m not with you on the 4 door thing...but they’re is nothing wrong with a 6 cylinder at all. Have a great summer in your Falcon.
Yeah, indiana winters are the ruin of many good old cars and trucks. I grew up in Florida and we didn't have to worry about salt. Unless we lived within a mile of the ocean. My first car was a 52 5 window Chevy that was 20 years old at the time. Didn't have ANY rust on it! I think I may take a trip to the south or maybe southwest US for my next older model car. I see quite a few interesting deals on Craigslist in those parts of the country.😁
I had one of those and it was a far better car than any of the new cars
Zach Winter I hear you Zach, I have a 1960 Ford F-100 4x4 one of the most Dependable trucks I honestly believe that's ever been built.
I agree with you as well, the GM G-body platform / series from 1978 thru 88 are getting harder to find.
I can remember in the mid 1990's thru the mid 200's they were still plentiful and somewhat affordable, now it's like they all vanished and whats left is overvalued.
The Monte Carlo SS, Oldsmobile 442's / Hurst-Old's, Buick Grand Nationals, and Pontiac 2+2 Grand Prix are definitely going to be the future collectibles.
That's exactly why I plan on a Cummins 4bt swap in my 99 f150. Ford loves to discontinue parts that wear out and say come get a new ferd.
Definitely agree about the Monte Carlo SS, as well as the 3rd gen Camaro/Firebird and Fox Body Mustang. The only real problem with the Monte Carlo SS is that they're great with a drive train swap but factory they were all 305s and automatics not exactly a thrilling powertrain.
3.8 supercharged. Or 3.8 with an aftermarket or GN turbo.
Fewer and fewer people are getting into restoring cars these days. This newest generation driver would rather have a Smart phone and use Uber than a brand new car! They sure don't want a used classic they have to work on. Most people no longer have the money to either restore a classic or buy a new car. Plus, newer cars are going to electric more and more. Really sad. I'm 58 years old and back in the day loved working on my old Pick-up truck. But as time went on, I had less and less "free time" to work on vehicles. Then, when injured in the military, that ended all maintenance for me. Now, because of the loss in mobility, I pay for oil and filter changes at the dealership. The price we pay as Veterans and getting old. Good luck to you on your project. I hope you find everything you need in the end.
I think you are basically right. I wouldnt like to be holding a bunch of classic cars thinking they were my retirement fund. Just for fun if you can afford it? why not?
Want to say thanks for not getting too caught up in post-production editing that means weeks between videos. You got loads of great ideas and advice and I appreciate the frequency of your videos, they’re great “raw” quality and honest without all the fancy and time consuming post-production polish. Rock on dude.
I just passed California smog with my 1977 AMC Pacer. Currently 1976 and new gets emissions tests here. I'm in a Facebook group trying to get the cutoff year moved up called "Californians For Classic Car Smog Exemptions." There's currently a bill in the state assembly (AB210) to move the cutoff up to 1983.
Prez Bee Yeah, I wish they’d go back to a rolling exemption.
Prez Bee Smog stations don’t want to do Pre OBD2 anymore. I have a couple of videos on my channel about this and AB210.
Prez Bee we have a 25yr +1 but then they added the 76 and newer language.
@Prez Bee I say the same thing. Why test them anymore bc there are less and less of them on the road every year creating pollution.
I had a CA smog license years ago, then the cut off date for smog was 1966 if it has been moved to 76 that good but it doesn’t fix the programs problems. The visual check flunks perfectly running vehicles no smoke no HC or Co2 but they flunk on replacement equipment (not stock) that’s been put in place because you couldn’t find original parts. They wind up junked, stored away, or sent out of state to save them. My 69 VW had to go in at one point and I had tracked down the needed parts installed them and the car lost most of its power (not good for a low power car). I took it in and the mechanic fiddled and farted around until it finally passed. One problem, it passed but couldn’t pull itself out of the bay. We pushed it out I advanced the timing and got it home where I took all that smog crap off and stuck it in a box, and retuned it to run normally. Ran it for another 50 thousand miles until it succumbed to terminal wiring problems. Built a 60 sunroof Baja (I didn’t make it a Baja) and I still have the engine. To make a short story long. I hate the CA smog program. I now live in OREGON were I don’t have to worry about it anymore. Up yours BAR and CA leadership.
I think you've got a point to a degree. However, you should never underestimate the tenacity of enthusiasts who will club together and have certain parts recommisioned to keep what they have on the road. You only need to look to the two sixties club - dedicated to keeping Rover 75 V8's and MG ZT V8's on the road 13 years after MGR went under.
I think also that you have to think about the new generation of car guys, who think about their laptops as just another tool in their box. We need to encourage and enrich the people who think of hacking on cars as a hobby to keep some of the beautiful and groundbreaking late 90 and early 00's cars alive.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If you love it, it’s classic. I have 77 Triumph Spitfire 1500
I might be wrong. But in Texas 25 years old is the cut off. Once older than that they are considered a classic. Makes cars/trucks N/A to the OBD 2 test.
You hit the nail on the head with this one Tony !!!!
Hey martha check out that 2001 ford taurus, those were the days.
Said nobody ever.
Thats true, but a 2001 pontiac grand prix gtp likely will continue to have a following for instance. You also have to remember in the 80s people did feel this way about a lot of stuff thats rare and worth decent money now.
@@toddmccarter45 I doubt it, I've been turning wrenches in a GM dealership for about 10 years and I've already seen several of those cars given up on. Unless someone starts making aftermarket computer parts for all the interior gadgets, the cars will continue to lose value. Even the '84 to '96 Corvettes are being crushed more often than they get fixed simply because you can't get radios or gauges or HVAC controls for them. The parts go bad so often that most salvage yards have nothing in stock. It ain't worth anything if it can't be fixed. Maybe it's different where you're from, but around here there are more vehicles from the '70s than from the '80s and '90s combined.
@@livewire2759 planned obsolescence creeping in
@@livewire2759 just wait till there arnt many of them anymore, plenty of people gave up on currently vauable cars in the late 70s and early 80s
@@toddmccarter45 You stole this from RCRs most recent video comment section
Im glad someone touched on this subject. These 80s and even 90s cars are as old as the late 60s classic muscle cars back in the late 90s and early 2000 when their value shot up. I love to get a nice iroc and a sqaure body s10 nearly as much as a nova or chevelle but those are untouchable with a low budget now. So the new classics are these 80s n 90s cars
If you live in or near Mexico you can find some 80's cars for cheap not in the best shape but in working conditions
I can't help but feel almost brought to tears by this. I think in the future there should be a car company built for the enthusiasts. Stripped down drivetrains and old school styling. Let's buy the rights to AMC!
i had the same idea it is legal as a lot of states have laws that state that if it 25 years or older or is a copy of a vehicle from that time it is exempt from emissions!! it is already happening thare are companeys that make new old steel bodes and ford and Chevy still make new old school engines in mexico! just have to get the "racing" parts cat!
OBD II, Cash for Clunkers, Early 2000s scrap prices (to build the "Ghost Cities" in China), "Reality Television Car Guy" shows with overbearing personalities that make actual car guys nauseous and turn off future generations of gearheads, Big Boomer Bucks choking off affordable old school cars, etc... The last 20 years have been murder on guys with everyday classics around here
I live in central Orange County calif and the classic car scene is so minuscule it's almost dead, a very small subculture that's frowned at by the typical OC types. The only" car people" here are kids that drive hopped up Hondas, 40-50% of the cars on the road here are Hondas. I usually get stink eye when I drive through Irvine and similar parts of Orange County driving my '68 Cougar XR7. Mind you, it's well maintained and has a 8 year old paint job that still looks good. Doenst look like a beater, but I still get the looks. People here are conditioned that all old cars are bad. You're expected to drive a hybrid or an electric car, which creates more pollution, and live in a 600 square foot apartment at $2,000 a month and work 50-60 hours a week to afford all of that. No thanks, I'll keep my Cougar and the house that's paid for.
I am a mechanic in my 30s I'm at the age where some of my knowledge is carbureted but most of my knowledge is fuel injection guys like me will be able to keep cars alive after the dealer quit serving then.we are able to develop programs that tuna motors to pass emissions without having catalytic converter strap to it.and all that is is a trick in the system like you said all they do is plug in underneath the dash. I don't know about the rest of the world but the lady that works at the DMV office here couldn't tell you the difference between a dipstick and a catalytic converter hot-rodders in the 50s pushed what they could get away with and so will we.
So how much for the passing emissions with no cat stuff?
Not the technology, it's the plastic parts and computers. They will deteriorate. Old analog steels the best.
Iam a GM GBody enthusiast (78-87) and I can agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying. The market of "the last of the RWDs" has changed exponentially. In the early 2000s my dad referred to them as worthless cookie cutter cars and now, within the last 5 years the market has exploded with after market goodies. And yes, they are non existent in salvage yards and you pull lots.
I'm a conductor on the railroad and on my trips on the rail I pass by dozens of junkyards and a lot of them have classic cars in them.
But what state are you in? Certainly not in the rust belt
@Sand Man before 1985 (well before my days) there was a total of five (5) men on a train. There was the engineer and front brakeman up front on the locomotive and three (3) men riding in the caboose, the conductor, the fireman and the rear brakeman. After 1985 union Pacific (the railroad I work for) encorpertated the rear end device or "FRED" as we like to call him which effectively removed the need for a caboose. With no caboose needed and the UP seeing a chance to eliminate jobs to save on cost, they effectively eliminated the front and rear breakman along with the fireman. Moving the conductor up front with the engineer and sticking him with all of the duties the other three men had. The conductors who were hired before 1985 recived compensation for this with a deal between the UPRR and SMART-TD workers union. Which amounted to next to nothing at the time, not sure on the specifics of the deal but all pre 85 conductors now receive more than adequate compensation although there isnt many of those boys left.
Bought an 87 Power Ram new...last of the carburetors. Installed a rebuilt...273. Still on the road everyday day driver. Best ride I've ever had. Alberta Canada loves your channel.
Keep up the good work. ☺
If you can check the codes with a paperclip it's a keeper. Great video Tony!
What are codes?
You nailed it. The Auto and Insurance Industries are in bed together. They want all vehicles older than 15 years off the road and not fixable.
It's built-in obsolescence very deliberately.
I only own older vehicles nothing newer than 20 years old. I had a real problem trying to get insurance for my 96 GMC Pick-up and had to go through a broker to find an insurance company to insure me in Ontario Canada.
There is a range that is not considered classic that by rights should be given the age.
We think of Classic cars as the 1960s into the '70s for guys my age.
It used to be 20 years and older was a classic, BUT I don't think that rule applies anymore.
Call it a conspiracy BUT, any vehicles prior to tracking, GPS, computer electronics that can track anyone, anywhere in their vehicle in this modern age of surveillance seems to be atleast one of the motives to get older pre surveillance vehicles off the road.
New cars are also designed to be shut down by Law enforcement who can shut your car off.
Near as I can tell this is in part one of the reason why they do not want older vehicles on the road.
Given an event like an EMP that would fry all electronic devices including every vehicle in this modern age.
The only ones that would stand a chance of running would be the older pre-electronic age that has been built into every single thing for the last 20 plus years.
A points ignition would still run, and a standard transmission means you could roll it down a hill to fire it up. There is no modern vehicle that you can do that with at all anywhere.
I have been told you can pop start a 98 Dodge Neon with stick shift. Never seen it done yet though.
@@shawnmiller9381 A 98 Dodge Neon is over 20 years old, but in my mind, it's a brand new car. It's strange and not sure if it's just me or if this is something others feel as well.
When I think of a 1960s vehicle, by the end of the 70's it was already considered a classic in the minds of my generation.
The later 1960s was a time that ended an era.
The Muscle car age was coming to a close. Smog cylinder heads killed performance, and then unleaded gas finished them off. A 350 sbc in the mid-1970s was 130 horsepower dog dragging an anchor and was pushing around a huge boat of a car. It was a sad time for the auto industry. Recycled metals rusted out in record time. The 1980s was perhaps worse with the K car and minivan epidemic. The V6 was put in everything that used to have a V8, the 4 cylinder cars were like a swarm of bees attacking the streets of North America. A pickup truck with a 4 cylinder is a prime example of how far down things sunk which started with the Japanese imports.
Modern vehicles from the mid-1990s to this day all look the same and the color silver is everywhere.
Gas prices have soured and SUVs are a commuter vehicle getting worse gas mileage than the 1970s imports.
Nothing makes sense. If a Dodge Neon can be push started there is likely something wrong with it, but good to know none the less.
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Steve Lindsay hi I live in Ontario,I have a mint 1992 chev tracker I have public liability through bel air direct and on my 2006 CT’s 2004 Grand Prix no problem I have been customer with them for decades lol
we get cheap registration and insurance for cars over 25 years old, only catch is limited use 90 days per year so not really daily driver material (unless you have a few) Supports a whole car maint/resto industry
OOOOOOHHHH I had an 1987 Ram Charger 150.
I am so sorry I sold it.
Those are so solid.
Good luck with this one .
Will be watching for up dates
Thomas Melnick in mexico these are prizzed if you drive one down ever one will offer to buy...they have stood the test of time ...diesel 140 ..160 thousand miles ..maybe valve job..head gasket...back on road
Bought my 87 new...I'll never get rid of it. Love it to death.
Was it that good or romanticism? If real get another one. They are out there. Many need saving.
This is the problem I’m kind of up against with my 98 Chevy Silverado. The injector/fuel system parts are getting kind of hard to find and now I face an intake manifold coolant leak. I’d absolutely love to convert it to a carb and hei distributor, however I have a check engine light to worry about, bi annual emissions testing etc. Not to mention getting the 4L80E tranny to shift properly once divorced from the computer. I love the truck, but it’s almost as if the “man” is forcing me to second mortgage a new truck. The kicker is the truck only has 53,600 miles on it. Ugh 😑
What's going to go sky high in the future- any car or truck made prior to 1995 with a _Diesel_ engine.
The classic car market may cut off at 1995. But I have a strong feeling that if the aftermarket does what they have done with the current classics. I believe that there will be a way for the newer stuff to survive. It just may be very limited to the most popular models of the era
Too many specialized parts and computers. Then Vin match BS. Maybe very common enthusiast car parts may be available.
I'm in IT. I DEFINITELY share your concerns. But everything has a work around. My personal addiction is Volvo 2000 and lower. Thankfully there continues to be a steady supply of new parts with even competing sources. With the internet and worldwide collaboration. We shall overcome my friend. I look forward to the never ending sleepless nights of WTH followed by TADAH I DID IT! And A loud shout of who's your daddy echoing from my garage 🤗If we ever meet there will be many cartons smoked and deep discussion of that one thing. May the problem in front of you keep you distracted from the many problems in the future. 🙏
I had a 740 turbo that was 6 speed(I think, if not 5) and the guy before me did some "mods".. I should have walked away after burning a valve going up the pass for the first time (quite sad really). I decided to put a crate motor in it and I couldnt stop myself for turning up the boost to about 23 or so. Its one of the most thilling things ever. Until it was about 45 degrees out and I hit it really hard and blew the motor. I had no clue what I was doing. I miss that thing so much 15 years later, I bought a 850 NA 5 speed that I liked and a 760 wagon that was ok but I just want another red block or something. I cringe when I watch this beacuse the euro parts market was highway robbery back then, I shudder now and for all of us in the future.
I agree with your theory on a “cut off” year/s. Ive worked in BMW dealerships since 2003. When I started we had OBD1 cars come in often. And we had a decent supply of parts and good computer software to diagnose the OBD1 cars. As time went on we had less and less support for parts and software. To a point that the latest software could hardly be useful. I look at what are “collector” cars today in the BMW world and there is a pretty hard line drawn in the early 1990s where they are no longer collector cars, but just shells waiting for an LS swap. And I know a German car vs American in collector cars terms can be quite different in some ways. But I think this theory and trend will effect all brands. Just consider IROC Camaros. That TPI LT-1 technology was big just 10-15 years ago. Hot Rodders loved it. Now it seems like a TPI engine would only be useful for a restoration.
“ This morning I said to myself....self?” This guy cracks me up, lol
That line has grand children old enough to shave.
This is the exact reason why you can pick up so many late 90s ob2d luxury cars for so cheap now like audis and volvo wagons cars that were 40 or 60 grand when they were new just 18 years ago thats what i drive a 99 volvo v70 cross country and its one of the most reliable and fun newer cars ive had to date. Every time i need a part i can find lots of them at pick n pull now its no classic like my 71 mercury cougar xr7 that was my grandmother's and i inherited it fully restored with a 73 body and a 71 351 cleveland 4v that was fresh rebuilt in 96 with not very many miles on it since and it had a c6 three speed. But that car took alot for a young man like me to keep up and care for it. Believe me i wish i never sold that car but it was un realistic for me to be able to keep it the way i was living at the time. I even got the cougar hood emblem tattood on my arm because that was the car that got me interested in mechanics at a very young age.
Best 4 wheel drive I ever had a 89 Ramcharger good luck with your Dodge.
Joe Ford I had an 83 it wouldn’t die.
87 Power Ram...pride of the fleet.
Every fall all the local hunter here in Alberta Canada ask if I want to sell it. NO WAY.
I had a 89 too...what a beast
My analog beater project 1980 Ford Bronco with 4 speed stick is looking pretty good these days. Granny gear and 145 hp git er done. Stone simple under the hood. No curb too high.
300 / 4.9 Inline 6-cylinder? Great engine and trans.
Pondered exactly the same thing! It would be hard to imagine the aftermarket supplying all those unique electronic components. Goes beyond that as well, looking at all the complex mouldings on a vehicle, like let's say a door seal. You can't just use a generic seal in its place. She's all downhill mate! But you can still get parts for a Model T...
bunning63 model t for the win
bunning63 this is where the 3D printer 🖨 comes in to play
bunning63 3 d printing of custom parts
Great info tony! Please keep sharing all your old school car knowledge. Some day all of it will be priceless!!! Cheers from Ontario!!
Interesting issue, I face a similar situation with my 90' Shadow turbo ES because in Southern California they have crushed all the k cars. As far as the Smog inspection, they allow a part waiver if you cannot source parts to get your vehicle to pass the sniffer test. As far as power train changes such as TBI to carburetion would not be allowed as it is viewed as degrading the emissions system. However California does allow you to upgrade to a newer system such as a Magnum MPI setup or even a Hemi conversion as long as all the emissions parts get transferred as well and pass a state inspection at the Referee station.
69th! Hey Uncle Tony! there's a couple things i'd mention about post 1996 OBDII cars and trucks - you can get standalone ECUs, swap in ECUs like the GMT400 chevy truck 411 PCM swap, and you can tune and make components work correctly (and if you're feeling dangerous you can disable trouble codes). Also adapting newer parts to older vehicles. I have an 86 toyota van and I've been able to pull tons of parts from the yard from newer corollas and camrys and make them work with it. Same with my 99 suburban and 95 caprice 9c1, you can use brake parts from newer trucks, rear axles and suspension parts from newer trucks, and you can buy parts cars. These new classics are gonna be around, they just won't ever be as easy to mod and restore as older cars. Thanks to CAFE and cash 4 clunkers for that
Joe That's where it's going. I still refer to a 30 year old vehicle as late model, but I gotta slap myself and realize it's not. The days of going to junkyards and getting a TH 400 or a 351C and all that are gone, so retrofitting can be challenging at times. Guys are doing these LS swaps and using stand alone ECUs and OD transmissions because it's often the best way now. The computer thing has been made more practical now and it's really not a bad idea. My old ass hates to admit that though.
More profound points raised by Tony.
I think he did mean dead stock cars, cause he said you can always throw together a hot rod or an engine swap
I believe that there will always be a collector car market. The technology barriers that seem like a roadblock now will be overcome by future mechanical geniuses that will make all that electronic hocus pocus look as easy as setting the points on a 52 Chevy 3100. I remember when I was 16 I had a 65 Pontiac 2+2. The wipers quit working and a chick I knew had me stop by her uncle's home who was a retired mechanic. His first question? Are they vacuum? I said, well.... No. They're electric. He threw his hands up and said " Oh hell no! I don't know anything about all that new fangled shit!" LOL
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Also, I wanted to point out that right now we have the ability to 3D print/CNC plastic and powder metal 3D print gears and old school machine metal parts so even total weekend guys will have perfect replica parts, or have them made online and so forth. Original parts will be scarce BUT think about this: right now you can plug in a computer and fool the entire car with the right emulation software and also just look at what you could have custom built with 3D printing as far as circuit boards. In 30 years we might not have the actual cars though.
we are already seeing custom 3rd party ECUs with their own sensor packages from the likes of Haltech replacing the basic tech stuff in modded cars
"The technology barriers that seem like a roadblock now will be overcome by future mechanical geniuses that will make all that electronic hocus pocus look as easy as setting the points on a 52 Chevy 3100" I guess that makes sense in some other universe
I agree with you, there are companies that will sell you the computers and companies that modify them for performance.
With the coming of self driving cars eventually, we might be living during the last period of history that can drive where ever we want, how we want. Like we watch cowboy movies and think how free it must have been to just ride off on a horse, folks will look back at this time.
I feel like I should point this out. A lot of states have laws where once a car becomes a certain age, it becomes exempt from having to undergo emissions testing OBDII or not. In my own state, New York, all cars 25 years or older are exempt from having to undergo emissions, and just have to undergo safety, there's people with early 90's cars now running decats that pass Inspection just fine as a result. I will say though this heavily varies by state, as California is the most strict having the age for exemption being over 30 years old (it's a problem plaguing people with 25 year imports as they need to make a car comply to an emissions standard it was never designed for)
EDIT: I do feel like saying as a result of that, the cutoff is around 2010 depending on the model, since that's when cars became "ultra computerized"
Ultra-computerized? I have a 1990 Dodge Daytona - engine computer, transmission computer and body computer. More than that becomes stupid as if the body computer wasn't overkill. I think it boils down to a lack of sufficient electrical engineers and a feeling of needing to employ idiot computer engineers.
@@shawnmiller9381 thing is, will that Dodge Daytona have a radio that won't work without the stock engine? Or how about air bags reliant on weight sensors? Compared to stuff I see these days that Daytona is a walk compared to modern cars with excess of 40 computer systems
When the smog law was introduced in CA, the cutoff year was 1973
As of this year, the cutoff year is 1975.
@@ShaunHensley ah nice to know, sorry for the error
Not true. In NY all cars built before '96 are exempt from modern emissions testing. 25 year and older are considered classic and require only $10 to inspect. Next year the first cars considered "Classic" will require modern scrutiny.
Modern cars are reliable until it goes wrong. Give me analogue any day. I'm blessed to have learned about cars in the early 80's and we all smoked in the workshop as well 🤣
HipStar Dude...You can’t deny new stuff is more reliable, but it’s so damn expensive.
Exactly! ❤
Usually that's moisture, mice, and flood damage. Something causes corrosion inside a module or connector or breaks wiring. And sometimes it's José. He's the one responsible for that aftermarket car alarm or stereo hack-job that fries the electronics in an unrelated system.
@@Properformancenutritioncom except they arent. recall hell, transmissions going out, rear ends going out, etc...
I can see Uncle Tony cruisin' in a 86 T-top MC SS or the hurst olds 442
When Tony said, "What car do i think will be the most valuble cars? ..the most sought after cars? The Monte Carlo SS" He immediately caught my attention...because i own a 1987 Monte Carlo SS.
I think he's right. In just the last 5 years, the price of these things have nearly doubled!
I paid $3,500 for a straight, rust free Monte SS in 2016.
Today, i couldnt touch this car for less than $7,000.
Luckily there are some of us out there that can perform some magic in the ECU's flash ROM.
As long as the computer "thinks" you have a cat, evap, sai, etc.... It says everything is OK..!
Inspection Passed!
This seems all fun and good till they start flagging for engine swaps and non factory flashed ecus in 95 and above. Here in NY my last inspection the guy who I know pretty well mentioned "hey that ecu/pcm in the car is not factory".....told him yes it is factory..... he said i can see its not factory whats the deal, told him its factory but it was tuned for the mods done. He said there "MAY" be some changes coming so you better figure something out because I know you have alot of time and money into it.
Since 74’ when the first phony gas crisis s cars garbaged up the engine bays, there are not many cars that were super desirable anyway. Manufacturers made it difficult for the average Joe to work on his own car. Diagnostic tools, introduction of torx in GM models, cc’s, air pumps, egr valves, constricted valves, deep dish pistons, weak cams, and the killing of sleak muscle cars.
Jeff Yates super frustrating
The first emissions laws went into place in 1966 and that’s when smog equipment started being added. They just added more and more as the years progressed.
My AMX has a crossover port in the intake and a PCV and that’s it. It doesn’t even have a catch bottle for the coolant, so if you overheat it’ll pour right on the ground. My 93 Z28 has an air pump, EGR and a canister and check engine light that won’t even come on as the car is missing so bad it will barely make it down the driveway or the cat is so clogged, it can’t get out it’s own way. My 98 TJ has a dozen vacuum lines, EGR, canister and a bunch of other stuff that likes to throw a check engine light when ever it feels like but clears itself in a day.
Another great informative video that you just can't get anywhere else. The only good side to it is, don't forget that a lot of states will only do emissions up to a certain year. For instance in Connecticut I'm only testing cars up to 25 years old, after that they are exempt. So every year another batch of vehicles is free to do what it wants especially when registered as a classic or antique. Again I know it's not everywhere, but in 2021 OBD2 cars will start being exempt from emissions testing here in CT, well as long as they don't change the laws by then.
As always, thanks for keeping it real my friend
As an owner of an 86 Monte, I’m excited to see where the market goes with them. Not that I ever plan on getting rid of mine, it’s far from original anyways but it’s a solid driver. It does make me want to pick up a clean original, just to have one and keep it original. Love these cars.
Great points, Tony. I drive a '99 Chrysler 300M as a daily. Less than 100K on it and she's gorgeous. But it's still a 21 year old car now. Rubber is starting to break down and plastic is starting to get brittle. I've been on a crusade of late to replace all the rubber parts in the engine bay (vacuum fittings and such), brake hoses, etc. I've had great success so far getting most of what I need, but some parts I just can't find anymore. That's where the forums and ebay come in handy. Believe it or not, the Chrysler LH body cars have a pretty large following and there are a few forums online that I believe are essential to keep one up and running. If you wat to get that old truck up and running, find a RAM forum and get involved in the community. It's a wonderful asset.
Hey man, glad you commented. I daily a 2002 300m Special. I *love* the car, like a damn pet, but I'm running into the same kinds of problems. I just two days ago sprung a fuel leak under the hood - I'm led to believe it's a nylon coupling going between the fuel line and the fuel rail. Could've started a damn fire if I hadn't caught it quickly. I'm seriously hoping I'll still be able to find the part.
Anyhow, if you're not on there already, join the LH Owners of America group on Facebook. Seriously, seriously helpful guys on there and a lot of parts hoarders too.
@@MrJamesonStyles Hey, thanks for the heads up. I joined last night. I would give Fine Lines a call. I believe they can supply a complete fuel line from fuel pump to fuel rail.
The ‘80s El Caminos are hot as hell right now. A decent one with a V8 will cost you $6-10K here in CO. They’re getting $4-5K for early ‘80s 2-door Malibu’s. Never thought I’d see that. Parts are everywhere and they’re tanker simple to work on. Fox body Mustangs are gold. ‘82 and up Camaros are getting hot.
There will be classics for the foreseeable future. With a fairly cheap engine/ECU swap, you can restomod almost anything and make it pass emissions. The LS and Coyote swaps are everywhere and the aftermarket is catering to all kinds of swaps. I say there’s no end in sight.
Thanks for making this stuff interesting and easy to understand, even for non mechanics.
It's a valid point. It seems like finding 80's anything parts is a task, unless it has an "SS", "GT", "R/T", etc. badge. If it does have 1 of those badges, you'll find something, but be sure to pack bandages to patch up your missing arm & leg.
Recently subscribed! Love your channel! Honestly hope that it grows and that you keep making videos.
Very thoughtful and well reasoned. Thanks for sharing!
If you need a computer, tbi and such i have it im in Fairview, TN
Devon Green you absolute gem
My brother has a 90 pickup witha360 been setting for about 4 years with 60 somethong thousand miles. He couldn't afford the gas because they sight see alot. The live in Burns TN
What is the life expectancy of touch screen controls used in current cars? A modern engine can last 300k miles and 30+ years but will that screen still be usable?
For the ram charger, I vote for an rb series 400 with your special touch. As far as obd2 cars, hp tuners allows you to tune and change whatever you want. You can program out post cat o2 sensors, switch to speed density from maf, add e85 sensors and much more without ever throwing a code.
Damn it Tony! You KNEW I was just watching the slant 6 video didn't you!!!? Lmao just more to watch I guess. 😂🤘
Same lol
Nice having cars without OBD I & II Plug-ins... Even better having Historical Plates... Cheaper to insure!
I love having no check engine light.
It makes annual safety inspections so easy.
My guy asks if the car is ok, i say yes, he slaps a sticker on it and i give him 30$ for his trouble.
thats a 50% tip.
Couldnt be easier.
@uare you that's how Michigan is, if u have a historic plate u can only take it to shows or events that qualify.
@uare you That's how it works where I live too. And here you CANNOT remove thise plates, so you basically ruin a car that way.
EAST SIDE313 Remind me not to move to Michigan!
Yes, limited in annual usage, but historic plates on go on my classic cars, not my daily drivers!
Sounds like Uncle Tony's garage should expand into uncle Tony's "it's not f'n junk" junkyard 🤔
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The 79-93 fox mustang is already experiencing the market change. 10-15yrs ago they were still easy to come by fairly cheap. Now a unmolested clean original 5.0 5sp lx , gt , or cobra are through the roof. It's no uncommon to see them in 20k range right now.
Good score UT!
I've wanted a '90-'93 Ram Charger since high school, but every time I find one it's termites holding hands. Cool vehicles such as these that aren't hacked-up are becoming increasingly difficult to find.
In my opinion the end of the carburetor is cut off date you have your exceptions Like K5 blazers too sweet
You may be a Mopar guy but I've watches a number of your videos and you make some great points have a boat load of knowledge. I look forward to watching your future videos as a subscriber.
I know you won't do it, but a Cummins diesel in that Powerwagon would be sweet!
Kirk Overly Is Tony a diesel guy at all? I hope he puts a Cummins in that Valiant project.
ProPerformanceNutrition.com no, he is old school gas hot rod guy.
@@michaelmcneil3381 totally gay
@@michaelmorgan2880 I'm not diesel dickrider but they can be used appropriately.
Diesels spread measles and diseasels. So said Thomas the Train. 😂🤣😂
I love my 1995 OBD1 BMW e36, and my 91 Explorer XLT. Very easy to work on and pass strict California smog tests.
That's awesome bud!
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Your not totally wrong but your not 100% right either.
First of all most states have a DMV provision for cars over 25 years old where they can bypass inspection.
The aftermarket will step up where there is demand. So the 96 and up Mustangs, camaros, vipers, etc will all be fine. Just as those cars from the 60’s are today. Will you be able to find parts for a 98 Saturn or Chrysler Sebring ?? Maybe not unless there is a demand that dictates the aftermarket step up.
As for last if the “true old school muscle” yes the Montie and Gbodys in general are it, last if the RWD hot rods...
God no. They stunk. Rather have a Crown Vicki or Merc., But all 80's stuff was piss poor stock from all the emissions garbage they loaded on to drag down gas mileage and blow motors.
I bought a '94 Chevy 4x4 and its still my daily driver because it's still simple enough for me to work on myself. My friend bought a new Dodge a few years back and said he's going to do the same thing I am, planning to drive it 20+ years later. I told him "no you won't". Once he starts having computer issues the maintenance will,cost too much to keep driving it.
I agree 100 percent. I have had a time just working on my 94 Camaro Bose stereo system the last few weeks. Its a very unique system designed for the car itself. I finally decided to replace it with an aftermarket. Thankfully we are just talking about a radio and not an important part that the car needs to run.
I totally agree, '96 and up... throw away vehicles. If you can't find one complete, don't bother with it. It's sad, realy, but it's the way it is.
The exception to the rule is the 03-04 cobra they are still 25k and up for a nice one.
@@boostedsaleen6146 still made on the same throw away platform.
@@frigglebiscuit7484 still a collector car though.
I got a 93 dodge ram truck with 318 magnum and i have noticed that these trucks arent everywere!
Got a 88 W100 with a 318 myself, not too many of em out there!
In general the best trucks ever. And I'm basically a GM guy. OBS is about all we have going on in Wisconsin. A few late 80s into the 90s Ford's but most of the ones on the road are diesels. Wish I could have kept every car and truck I've ever owned except a Datsun B210.
Racer 67 that is true,but Chrysler only sold about 93k that model year, where as Ford and GM sold over 200k+ each. Last year of the square body pick-up. With the body change in '94, by '96 they had sold well over 200k units for just the '96 MY. One of the reasons they kinda faded away.
I love my 1970 Plymouth valiant and my 1976 Datsun B210.
I have similar issues with my 92' Honda Accord. It's an ODB1 car, and finding cars in junkyards to keep it on the road is becoming a rarity. Many parts( weatherstripping/window seals for example) aren't made anymore and can't be found. Nevertheless, my love for this car is strong and I'm determined to keep driving it.
I agree about the Monte Carlo SS. Great looking car and they're already starting to go up in value.
That’s why I’m about to put my 85 Monte Carlo SS together with a 350 4 speed manual and sell it
Please do a series on this!! I plan to switch from tbi to carbureted on my 93 club cab and it would be awesome to see your tips and tricks. Thanks for the video, keep up it up brother!
93 club cab probably has the 360 magnum? If so your going to have to find a specific carburetor intake for the magnum since the intake bolts are on a different angle than the LA blocks, you can pull the front of the engine and run the old v-belt setup and timing cover from a LA so you can run a manual fuel pump. I carved swapped my old 93 and just put a cheap inline regulator and ran it right to the carb. Works amazing
She originally had a 360 but she was unfortunately swapped to a 318 out of a 93 grand Cherokee due to whatever reasons. Couldnt care less tho, i scored her for 250 bucks and it runs and drives (kinda)
georgiegirl 93 there’s nothing wrong with a 318. Especially a 318 magnum. I only run 318s in my 87 shortbed and love them but the same rules apply for everything I said whether it’s a 318 or 360
I’m new to building vehicles but I bought a 95 f150 xtl, 4 years ago, soulfully for the reason that junk yards are full of them! It’s easy to repair and parts are common. Although I live in New York so rust is a huge pain. Love your videos! Very inspiring to a youngster like me!!
I have an 86 T-Top Monte Carlo SS. "Until Death do us Part"
me too same yr hardtop maintained/repaired never restored 69k miles.
dennis caulfield me too, I have videos of my 1986 SS on my channel.
@@charlieb308 Very nice Monte
@John Johnson No John, just T- Tops
dennis caulfield thank you
Spot on T , sensor hell, that’s why I have my 69 Camaro Z28 , easy duty. Menthol T ur killing me👍👍👍👍👍
Same here, I'll never sell my 69 Z28!
No emissions inspection needed in Florida. Hasn't heen around since the 90s
Thank god and old people for that
Ohhhh, because of all the retired people driving old cars. That might be a good state to look for those 80's cars
WCTA Chicago underground sound the old people got tired of paying for inspections so they got the government to pay for them. Once the government was spending their own money they stopped
I’m glad here in Michigan there’s no inspection but again I’m not because of all the crap on the roads, and it hikes insurance rates up also.
Chevy trucks are huge,no matter what the year.
If that Ramcharger was a K/5 Blazer,you're looking at a 5k vehicle in the same condition.
The easiest way to redo a later model vehicle is to just buy another one to use for parts
as for G body GM cars,they are already popular,along with 3rd gen F bodies.
I don't see them ever pulling the numbers of older cars,though.
You're not going to see a 40k 84 Hurst Olds.
I have a 89 ramcharger I love it I just had my transmission rebuilt
I'm currently restoring a 2007 Corolla to a 400 point concourse quality trailer queen.
Need a 65 tri power for that 455?
Lol
@@loneggebroten2484 lol I don't think that'd fit under my shaker.
In California, the cut-off for class cars is 1975. Anything newer is subject to smog. Not many people want to deal with having to Smog Check their vehicle.
Luckily, Illinois stops doing smog after 25 years old. Most of the beaters have rusted out long before then. You can get antique plates and Sunday cruise no sweat.
Same here in NY, after 25 years a car is emissions exempt forever. Don't even need historical plates, meaning it'd be 100% ok to daily drive if desired
You do have a point because after 95 the vehicles are getting made really cheap because with all the sensors and everything if your sensors go crazy your vehicle will not run and also you forgot to mention with the ob2 they started to putting security systems as a standard in motor vehicles compared to the old school ones that didn't have need for a security system
Soon there want be junk yards the newer cars will be turnarounds cars you buy you drive you crush.
Lkq just bought 500 acres in my area used auto parts suppliers will be around as long as cars but it is a different business then it was in years past
Glad I live on Alabama. No smog test here. I gave a friend of mine a 86 300zx turbo, he lives in Nashville. He has to run with a vintage tag, due to the smog test.
same here, i love alabama. you only need windhield wipers LOL.
Good point I never thought of that when I put the Cummins 2.8 in my obd2 02 Jeep Wrangler
In Texas a vehicle older than 24 years doesn't require emissions testing.
in alabama most people dont even know what emission testing even is.
Own a 78 corvette they pass me all the time car mechanics are younger don’t even know how to take the key out the ignition or even dare to fix or touch anything that may help me pass New York emissions lol “
Growing up in NY & then moving to PA & then moving to AZ. I'm glad out here i don't have to deal with them stupid inspection stickers anymore.
Awesome Uncle Tony《☆》My son just bought a 88 Montecarlo SS :*: He was telling me the same thing but it didn't really register with me being a Mopar guy🤓☻🤠
..took the words out of my mouth U Tony! that's why I bought my 1988 Monty Carlo SS in 2004. the car-world changed in 1989, thank you!
Don't worry Tony young people know to hack software and do engine standalone compatible with obd scanners. People can already hack the Tesla lol.
Can't wait to pick up my Prius prime.
Bring a part of the Alfa Romeo Dealer System, we found ourselves screwed when Alfa told the US gov to pound sand and withdrew from the US new car market.
They refused to convert to OBDII and stopped importing to the USA.
Mexico got Alfas.
Australia got cars.
Europe got cars.
We got pink slips.
After 30 years and thousands of devoted clients, I had to work over the existing fleet and after a total of 52 years working on Alfas, they bring them back ,......
Anybody wanna old Alfa ?
I have a bunch.
Milano Verde by any chance?
@@INNO222
Verde 3.0 80K ,miles , big front bars, bilsteins , Ronals, chipped, 120%injectors, manual tensioner, trimmed valve guides, 10.9 Borgos, big oil pump, 164S cams, close ratio box, 3" exhaust, thanks equal length headers, slotted drilled rotors, green stuff pads, Dunlop 225/50 16s gumballs, cold intake, K&N red, and other stuff.......
Bimmer killer sleeper.
My reaction times are to slow for this '89 Verde but what a thrill it is.......
@@alfamale9525 HOLY SHIT!!!
You bring up an valid point. The newer the car, the more difficult it can be to do the kind of backyard wrenching that most think of when they consider the hobby of building a street machine. The latest year vehicle that I put serious tool time into was a 1987 model Cutlass Supreme. Must have removed about ten yards of wiring harness from it converting it from the ECM to an old school ignition set up (and swapping the v6 for a small block v8). All the others have been 78 or earlier. Alot more bodywork usually required, but also much more simplistic to work on mechanically speaking. Of course there is no inspection in this state. maybe not necessarily the best thing, but it does make it easier on a person to keep their passion project on the road...
I’ve recently started a project 1991 yugo, it’s one of the last truly analog cars it wasn’t cared for in its time but it’s out lasted a lot of it contemporaries with its lack in any computers. But I think the future of classic may come down to weird and interesting cars that people think are worth saving and can build community’s around. I used to own a 1990 Buick Reatta and it was totally computerized and they made so few of them parts where impossible to find and it was at the point that all the sensors where dying so keeping it running just wasn’t feasible.