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  • čas přidán 14. 08. 2024

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  • @gregorynofsker7554
    @gregorynofsker7554 Před 2 lety +222

    Still think that the Constitution Class refit as shown in "Star Trek the Motion Picture" is one, if not the most majestic of all the variations of the Starship Enterprise.

    • @zombieshoot4318
      @zombieshoot4318 Před 2 lety +21

      Yes. That is the best looking of all the Enterprise ships. It has that "Navy" look to it the C, D, and E don't. The B has the "Navy" look to it as well since it's basically from the same era. TOS movie era ships were the best looking ships of all the shows/movies.

    • @KenoshiAkai
      @KenoshiAkai Před 2 lety +27

      The TMP refit Constitution Class was peak Star Trek ship design. Nothing before or since has looked as good.

    • @jsmith8255
      @jsmith8255 Před 2 lety +6

      couldn't agree more

    • @hellacoorinna9995
      @hellacoorinna9995 Před 2 lety +8

      TMP even had different uniform types on offer. Which does reflectbin the actual navy.
      Those monster maroons are a bit too swanky for day-to-day wear.

    • @ipponyc
      @ipponyc Před 2 lety +5

      @@zombieshoot4318 Made with models as well, giving it a realistic appearance.

  • @MD2389
    @MD2389 Před 2 lety +95

    Actually the largest nuclear test was the ~50MT Tsar Bomba. The bomb itself was capable of 100MT, but the test required that it be dialed back to about 50MT, just so the plane dropping the damn thing would have a CHANCE of escaping the blast! (which they did by the skin of their teeth!)

    • @grndiesel
      @grndiesel Před 2 lety +18

      I was wondering if someone else picked up on that.

    • @doctorroboto5018
      @doctorroboto5018 Před 2 lety +10

      I rushed to the comments and was not disappointed.

    • @Salty_Balls
      @Salty_Balls Před 2 lety +13

      The drop plane fell 1 kilometer through the sky as a result of the shockwave. I'd imagine all the seats needed hosed down after landing.

    • @hellstromcarbunkle8857
      @hellstromcarbunkle8857 Před 2 lety +2

      Additionally, with a blast radius > 8 miles, MOST of the blast at 100MT would have vented to empty space

    • @-johnny-deep-
      @-johnny-deep- Před 2 lety +2

      Yup. I came to the comments section expecting to find this very correction!

  • @Talon1124
    @Talon1124 Před 2 lety +72

    The good old Connie. A flying desthtrap but one of the best.

    • @michaellepore105
      @michaellepore105 Před 2 lety +3

      What is a desthtrap?

    • @Talon1124
      @Talon1124 Před 2 lety +5

      @@michaellepore105 A typo

    • @terrylong8894
      @terrylong8894 Před 2 lety +5

      The Constitution class is only a death trap if you’re a redshirt.

    • @peachesrambo4037
      @peachesrambo4037 Před 2 lety +1

      @@terrylong8894 lol loved that

    • @glytchd
      @glytchd Před 2 lety

      @@Talon1124 Cheerz! Yeah that cheeky 'joke' gets a little old after 25 years On the Net

  • @kurumachikuroe442
    @kurumachikuroe442 Před 2 lety +77

    The old Connies were the most reliable, fancy coffins any starfleet officer could ask for
    and many did

  • @keithvernonlewis9403
    @keithvernonlewis9403 Před 2 lety +6

    I remember as a kid that the NASA launches board me to death....,then this new TV show StarTrek came on and my parents convinced me to watch and space just might be fun. DAMN IF MY PARENTS WEREN'T RIGHT, I became at TREKKER,TREKKEE, however its spelt the fact is that I have spent nearly sixty years of my life sharing StarTrek with my mom, you know I am absolutely thankful for both......I truly Love the ORGINAL for WITHOUT it, we wouldn't have any of the OTHERS in the TREKK Universe....

  • @cha02psc
    @cha02psc Před 2 lety +54

    Maybe the technological regression was like in BSG? The Klingons hacked the networks so Starfleet was like “take off those ludicrous angled nacelle pylons with the holes, make the hull less shiny, get rid of that ridiculous window on the bridge, and remove all the bells and whistles. We can’t take the chance that an enemy would exploit any of these technologies in future”. And no enemy in TOS was able to exploit the technology of the Enterprise and use it against the crew. They had to literally take over the ship in order to get access to the Enterprise. Nobody could do it remotely. Probably.

    • @cosmeticscameo8277
      @cosmeticscameo8277 Před 2 lety +3

      so we see mid 23rd century ships
      Crossfield Class.
      Shepard Class.
      Magee Class.
      Cardenas Class.
      Nimitz Class.
      Hoover Class
      walker class
      malachowski class
      engle class
      except for the malachowski and magee class all other classes are way bigger than the constitution class. so has me wondering , constitution class is a heavy cruiser that is stripped to the basics

    • @CmdrChrisArcher
      @CmdrChrisArcher Před 2 lety +20

      That was the basic plotline in the Enterprise novels covering the Romulan War, believe it or not. Romulans developed a remote hijacking tech based in part off their psychic link stuff from Season 4, which was more effective the more advanced their opponent was (essentially taking out Andoria, Vulcan, and the Tellarites within a year of the war) so Earth toned down the complexities of tech they could and developed new technologies to defend what they couldn't, one of which was the prefix code system we saw in TWOK.

    • @jonasklose6472
      @jonasklose6472 Před 2 lety +12

      @@CmdrChrisArcher
      This would have been 1000x better than the ridiculous Discovery show.

    • @Swiftbow
      @Swiftbow Před 2 lety +6

      Replacing the window with a skylight isn't really a defensive improvement, though.
      And it means you're pretty blind if ship's sensors or the viewscreen go down.
      Ideally, what all these ships should have, is strategic window placement + armored panels that can extend over said windows if called for. Blast doors, if you will. Although, I will agree that maybe the blast doors shouldn't have a silly little window of their own built in.

    • @cha02psc
      @cha02psc Před 2 lety +1

      @@CmdrChrisArcher is that the one where it retells the “truth” behind the holoprogram seen in “these are the voyages”? If so, I’ve got that book somewhere 😂 I’ve inadvertently plagiarised something I’ve read!

  • @justinmileman7863
    @justinmileman7863 Před 2 lety +12

    "Not a military". Right. Yet the Military structure, Military ranks, Military rules and regulations, and military punishments up to and including court-marshall all confirm the fact that starfleet is in fact a military.

    • @ErzengelDesLichtes
      @ErzengelDesLichtes Před 2 lety +3

      “Starfleet is not a military organization! Its purpose is exploration.”

      Yeah, and the gaslight isn’t getting dimmer, Paula.

    • @UEAdmiral
      @UEAdmiral Před rokem +1

      >.>

    • @leoismaking
      @leoismaking Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@UEAdmiral Explorers are not the same as academics - though an exploration mission could well have scientists among them. In our world the maps don't say "here be dragons" anymore, but in Trek that is not the case. Taking a gun or two when walking into an unknown jungle doesn't mean you're there to "shoot to kill!", it just means you'd rather not be on anyone's menu, thank you very much.

    • @Shiirow
      @Shiirow Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@leoismaking trying to explain that to empty headed morons is a futile effort. they have their own little imaginary view of the world, facts and logic be damned. having a firearm doesnt automatically mean you come to be hostile. There was literally an entire episodes pointing this viewpoint out.

  • @mdxque8393
    @mdxque8393 Před 2 lety +15

    Picard: Starfleet is not a military organization...
    Wesley: Shut up Picard!
    Someone had to say it...

    • @HossBlacksilver
      @HossBlacksilver Před 2 lety +3

      Yeah, for not being a military organization, Star Fleet got into a lot of fights.

    • @mdxque8393
      @mdxque8393 Před 2 lety +2

      @@HossBlacksilver doesn't help that the "not military organization" has planet busting weapons on it. But they are for exploring of course. ;)

    • @rogersmith7396
      @rogersmith7396 Před 2 lety

      Picard is a Federation mouthpiece. Much better in Dune.

  • @gregorynofsker7554
    @gregorynofsker7554 Před 2 lety +42

    Technically, the Constitution Class Starship Defiant that disappeared into interdimensional space, appears with all hands lost in "A Mirror Darkly" part 1 and part 2 of the series "Enterprise" so....
    It survived in another parallel universe....
    This limb I went so far out on is about to break off....

    • @cosmeticscameo8277
      @cosmeticscameo8277 Před 2 lety +4

      but the crew died regardless.

    • @TheDetailsMatter
      @TheDetailsMatter Před 2 lety +1

      The other side of the dimensional rift was the TOS episode "The Tholian Web."

    • @jonathanklein383
      @jonathanklein383 Před 2 lety

      Constellation class is 2300s. See USS Stargazer.

    • @cosmeticscameo8277
      @cosmeticscameo8277 Před 2 lety

      @@jonathanklein383 constellation class is still a 23rd century design.

    • @joeboxter3635
      @joeboxter3635 Před 2 lety

      The saucer section is the primary hull. That is the business end and includes the main bridge. No one but you think the federation would put the main bridge, main engineering, impulse engines, officers quarters, the main gally and call it secondary hull. Primary phasers and torpedoes are launched from the saucer section, ie primary hull also.
      The pylons, warp nasal, cargo bay, the shuttle locker, shuttle lauch Bay are in the secondary hull.
      The shuttle launch bay is not where shuttle craft are housed. There is no "galafry tartus" technology needed as the part you see is the launch bay. It can hold shuttle craft, but additionally craft are kept below and brought up to the shuttle craft launch bay. They are separate because when the bay door opens, the bay must be depressurized which takes time. The main deflector dish is also part of secondary hull. The deflector dish serves as deflector for space debris that could hit the ship at high warp. The main hull only has sublight impulse engines so ordinary shields are good enough. This is why the deflector is part of secondary hull along with warp nasals.
      You must have failed your course in ship design and ship operations is all I can figure.

  • @mdxque8393
    @mdxque8393 Před 2 lety +16

    I think Constitution looks better then the Galaxy. I don't think the Galaxy looks bad, the Constitution looks better in my opinion. It some how looks rustic and yet comfy. I also love the "jellybean" buttons and "gameboy color" tapes.

    • @-johnny-deep-
      @-johnny-deep- Před 2 lety +2

      Yeah, the original Enterprise was the best looking. I'd *love* to see a new series or several movies featuring the original Enterprise looking the same, just with much more detail and realism while still being faithful to the original. Perhaps essentially depicting the voyages and adventures of a differently named ship, with a different caption and crew. Hmm, I guess that's what ST:SNW will be (though with the SAME ship!), and the ship isn't totally identical from what little I've seen of it.

    • @ecmorgan69
      @ecmorgan69 Před 2 lety

      @@-johnny-deep- I watched the whole first season, and there are a number of differences between the original and SNW. According to Midnight’s Edge, the differences come down to the entangled IP rights issues. I find it weird that Paramount and CBS can’t use the original set and costume designs from the original show, maybe jazzed up but a little closer to the original.

    • @-johnny-deep-
      @-johnny-deep- Před 2 lety

      @@ecmorgan69 Thanks. Yeah, IP rights stuff can get really complex.

  • @jtfbreedlove
    @jtfbreedlove Před 2 lety +78

    I'd imagine that saucer separation for the constitution class was a last ditch resort and docking with the main hull was either impossible or required a drydock.

    • @shanenolan8252
      @shanenolan8252 Před 2 lety +4

      I believe your right. It could not be without a space dock .

    • @singletona082
      @singletona082 Před 2 lety +16

      I remember some book or other stating the saucer could serve as a lifeboat and was seperatable via explosive bolts. So ya basically there was no way to re-dock wit hthe star drive/engineering section once seperation had been made.

    • @thanqualthehighseer
      @thanqualthehighseer Před 2 lety +8

      In the TOS era most likely if you had to separate the sections ether the saucer or engineering section was so badly damaged there was nothing to go back to anyway.

    • @davidthomas4489
      @davidthomas4489 Před 2 lety +13

      In "The Apple" Kirk stated to Scotty, when Vaal was pulling the ship in the atmosphere, "Crack out of there with the main section if you have to but get that ship out of there." I think he mentioned separating the saucer section.

    • @FayneRogue
      @FayneRogue Před 2 lety +8

      @@singletona082 That'd probably be the Star Trek Star Fleet Technical Manual, originally published in 1975.

  • @tba113
    @tba113 Před 2 lety +18

    [Edit: Solid breakdown, I hadn't known about the Warp 22 towing bit. Interesting! Oh - and congrats on the new house!]
    The sabotaged max speed being higher than the normal upper limit might also be due to limitations in sensors. If it's under its own power, the ship has to be on the lookout for obstacles. If those systems are only rated for lower speeds, flying at Warp 15 might risk collisions because it's flying faster than it can see - and at that speed, such an impact would be cataclysmic.
    9:23 The largest nuclear weapon ever tested was the Soviet Union's Czar Bomba. This monster was the size of a small bus, and was set off over Novaya Zemlya in 1961. It delivered a yield of *fifty* megatons. If it had been built with a uranium damper (which its design allowed for), it could have delivered twice that. The use of that damper would have resulted in a far higher release of radiation, however, and the Soviets mostly just wanted to prove a point (the most powerful bomb the US had ever tested was the Castle Bravo device that yielded 15 megatons, so the Czar Bomba was a bit of one-upsmanship) so they omitted that component.

  • @garywillig5143
    @garywillig5143 Před 2 lety +6

    The Constitution refit from the first 6 movies is the most beautiful ship in science fiction.

    • @francisdhomer5910
      @francisdhomer5910 Před 2 lety

      It also is a sensible advancement. It still retained the original designed, but updated and improved on a lot of its designed. For me it made sense. Gods I hope I've said this correct. to bad I don't do drugs, maybe I would be clearer and be making better sense.

  • @katakisLives
    @katakisLives Před 2 lety +31

    I wouldn't say the constitution class was inherently more dangerous it's just it went on more dangerous missions

    • @cosmeticscameo8277
      @cosmeticscameo8277 Před 2 lety +2

      deep deep space. with 50% casualty rates. that's pretty bad.

    • @katakisLives
      @katakisLives Před 2 lety +6

      @@cosmeticscameo8277 exploring is often very dangerous.

    • @Stone7C1
      @Stone7C1 Před 2 lety +1

      @@katakisLives hence the big guns, and why despite their ships having some firepower starfleet is still not a military institution.

    • @katakisLives
      @katakisLives Před 2 lety +1

      @@Stone7C1 A Connie has fire power that could devastate the surface of a class M planet potentially wiping out all live there, I think that Starfleet is a military organization, its like a navy in space its certainly got the ranks to support that! I'm sure the aspiration is exploration but in reality space is dangerous and federation space aint gonna police itself

    • @katakisLives
      @katakisLives Před 2 lety +3

      @@Stone7C1 I've not long finished watching classic star trek and kirk often refers to himself in military terms. an explorer sure but ready to fight when its needed

  • @AaronTelfordUK
    @AaronTelfordUK Před 2 lety +28

    The Constitution Class: Probably the MOST ICONIC STARSHIP of most, if not all, science fiction television and/or movie franchises 😀

    • @Kref3
      @Kref3 Před 2 lety +1

      aaaahh…. Imperial Star Destroyer …….. hmmmmm

    • @AaronTelfordUK
      @AaronTelfordUK Před 2 lety +1

      @@Kref3 I did say "probably" . . . . . besides I'm willing to bet £10 that a Constitution Class Starship with a well trained and experienced crew will easily defeat any Imperial Star Destroyer in a 1-on-1 fight no problem 😀

    • @TheDetailsMatter
      @TheDetailsMatter Před 2 lety +2

      Star Wars is an installment in a Tom Mix-style western serial, updated for modern audiences. It's not really science fiction at all.

    • @francisdhomer5910
      @francisdhomer5910 Před 2 lety +1

      @@AaronTelfordUK of course you're right. Remember they can't hit anything. When they do that's because they were aiming at something else. The Empire's only hope is the Connie leaving port filled with red shirts.

    • @TheDetailsMatter
      @TheDetailsMatter Před 2 lety

      @@francisdhomer5910 This I have to take issue with. Imperial troops can shoot quite well, as long as they aren't under specific orders to not kill the rescue party under pain of force-strangulation by Lord Vader. A homing beacon had been planted in their ship so the Death Star could track them back to the Rebel Base. If they were shot dead, the nefarious plan would fail.

  • @sailingspark9748
    @sailingspark9748 Před 2 lety +3

    I would dare say the constitution class ship is the most iconic Science Fiction ship ever designed or seen on any screen. It is completely recognizable at a glance and most anybody who has ever see a television would know what it is. There are only a handful of ships that can claim that fame, and only one comes close to the good old Enterprise for name recognition. The Millennium Falcon.

  • @scottwalker6947
    @scottwalker6947 Před 2 lety +14

    I've always liked the classic designs. The Connie is a favourite of mine.

  • @ThePuppywolf
    @ThePuppywolf Před 2 lety +4

    I had a friend who was Career navy and he said that the operation of the Constitution Class was basically how modern warships of the U.S. NAVY operate.

    • @cosmeticscameo8277
      @cosmeticscameo8277 Před 2 lety +2

      care to elaborate how operations on a constitution class ship would be how modern warships of the us navy operate?

    • @ThePuppywolf
      @ThePuppywolf Před 2 lety +3

      @@cosmeticscameo8277 While *I* am not NAVY, my friend did point to how commands were given in come of the earlier episodes, and the Command structure as well as many of the department layouts. Also he said the Episode "Balance of Terror" was almost identical to how Submarine vessels were trained to hunt and kill.

    • @cosmeticscameo8277
      @cosmeticscameo8277 Před 2 lety +3

      @@ThePuppywolf TOS would be closer to the military as many of the show runners served in WW2. including gene USAAF pacific theater.
      leonard nimoy, deforest kelley served in the US army and kelley in the USAAF
      doohan served in the canadian army
      TNG is where it gets weird

    • @rogersmith7396
      @rogersmith7396 Před 2 lety +1

      I always knew we were paying for warp drive.

  • @stuartwald2395
    @stuartwald2395 Před 2 lety +14

    The M5 test ("The Ultimate Computer") resulted in the death of the crew of the Excalibur, but the ship might have been recovered and put back into service (as might the Exeter if she got a good spring cleaning). The other 3 ships, the Lexington, Hood and Potemkin, were damaged but certainly not destroyed. A consideration of the high casualty rate is well warranted, but that was an overstatement.

    • @rogersmith7396
      @rogersmith7396 Před 2 lety +1

      M5 fucked em up real good.

    • @mjbull5156
      @mjbull5156 Před 2 lety +1

      Constellation was wrecked by a berserker, Intrepid by this reality's version of Galactus, Defiant by a space anomaly, and Exeter became a plague ship. I would think a lot that would be there are a lot of weird dangers in the galaxy, not that reflected on the Constitution effectiveness as a design.. Also, you do not want to be on a Connie not named "Enterprise" anywhere near James T. Kirk.

  • @marty64thornton
    @marty64thornton Před 2 lety +3

    The old girl is still my favorite of all ships. She still fun to go into battles with

    • @francisdhomer5910
      @francisdhomer5910 Před 2 lety

      If you have read "The Making of Star Trek" (I hope I have the title right.) the hours they spent designing the whole ship is interesting. They worked hard on trying to make the Enterprise as realistic as possible. They did such a good job the military was interested in their design of the bridge for possible use in their own ships.

  • @johnmorrow5461
    @johnmorrow5461 Před 2 lety +2

    The struts for the saucer section are those triangles you see on the underside of the primary hull. Separation is vaguely mentioned in the original series episode The Apple:
    KIRK: "Then use your imagination. Tie every ounce of power the ship has into the impulse engines. Discard the warp drive nacelles if you have to, and crack out of there with the main section, but get that ship out of there!"

  • @PhillBogart
    @PhillBogart Před 2 lety +67

    The ship in the episode where all the crew - except for the captain - died from a disease (and were not turned into salt) was the USS Exeter (pronounced like "exit-er"), not Executor.

    • @DMSProduktions
      @DMSProduktions Před 2 lety +4

      LOL! WRONG franchise I would expect!

    • @druunderwood5602
      @druunderwood5602 Před 2 lety +4

      Exeter
      City in England

    • @PhillBogart
      @PhillBogart Před 2 lety

      @@DMSProduktions Yeah. Sounds like a slide into Star Destroyer territory.

    • @PhillBogart
      @PhillBogart Před 2 lety +1

      @@druunderwood5602 HMS Exeter sunk in WWII.

    • @druunderwood5602
      @druunderwood5602 Před 2 lety

      @@PhillBogart Sank in the pacific,
      Somewhere in Starfleet there must be a
      USS Underwood?

  • @bradleyj.fortner2203
    @bradleyj.fortner2203 Před 2 lety +9

    "The Constitution Class...is possibly the most recognizable vessel in all of the fleet."
    It's also probably the most recognizable vessel in all of media. Is there a more famous spaceship? Even The Millenium Falcon isn't as instantly recognizable as The Starship Enterprise.

    • @stevenscott2136
      @stevenscott2136 Před 2 lety

      The classic "flying saucer" and "rocketship" are the most recognized spacecraft, I think.
      Constitution-class vs. the three main SW ships (Falcon, X-wing, TIE) would probably require a survey to test -- all four are pretty famous.
      The most-recognized "vessel" might be the classic sailing ship -- people who literally HATE all sci-fi still know a pirate ship when they see one.

    • @bradleyj.fortner2203
      @bradleyj.fortner2203 Před 2 lety

      @@stevenscott2136 Fuckin' nerds have to argue EVERYTHING. Okay. Whatever.

    • @ej7416
      @ej7416 Před 2 lety +1

      Lol, imagine watching a video about Star Trek ships and having the gall to call someone else a nerd, get over yourself

  • @1joshjosh1
    @1joshjosh1 Před 2 lety +2

    My favourite bridge was always of the Enterprise in Star Trek 1.
    I'm not saying it's my favourite movie but for some reason I like the bridge.
    Not too much of dusty rose colour like next generation.
    A little more modern-looking then TOS.
    It's just right to my eyes.

  • @cb-gz1vl
    @cb-gz1vl Před 2 lety +4

    The bridge on top kind of makes sense. Most weapons would probably tear through a hull if the ship is unshielded so burying the bridge say in the middle of saucer section would be kind of pointless. So the ship definitely relied on shields. Now it would be much much harder to erect weapon proof shields inside the hull somewhere since you'd basically be BBQing anyone in the area, not including wrecking components. But having the bridge on top, extra shield emitters could be used to protect the bridge similar to how on enterprise the klingon d5 had extra shielding for their bridge.

  • @highlandoutsider8148
    @highlandoutsider8148 Před 2 lety +4

    1:56 🤣 makes me laugh every time, it's simple and silly but I love it 🤣

  • @fredweller1086
    @fredweller1086 Před 2 lety +4

    Never any love for the Saladin class destroyer or Hermes class scout.
    Someone had to do the light and local work while the big-boy Connies were out exploring deep space.

  • @mikehendon7327
    @mikehendon7327 Před 2 lety +11

    Refit Constitution (movies 1-6) is still my favorite, but...yeah, by that point the old girls were hilariously obsolete. Seriously, looking at those things, is like seeing a beautiful poem given form...
    ...and then you get blasted to bits, because a torpedo went right through your rec room in the saucer...from the opposite side of the saucer.

    • @cosmeticscameo8277
      @cosmeticscameo8277 Před 2 lety

      if you look at star trek picard... they feature the uss excelsior ncc-2000... yes the same one from star trek VI...

    • @emsleywyatt3400
      @emsleywyatt3400 Před 2 lety +1

      I think that once the shields go, you're screwed regardless of where your are.

    • @cosmeticscameo8277
      @cosmeticscameo8277 Před 2 lety

      @@emsleywyatt3400 unless you got armor and tons of redundant systems

    • @TheDetailsMatter
      @TheDetailsMatter Před 2 lety +1

      As far as the JJ-Trek movies go, I suspect they had an undiagnosed computer breakdown at work. They'd work the controls to raise shields, the computer would report shields active, but really, they weren't even on at all because nothing protected the ship from incoming damage at all. Faulty microchip...very embarrassing.

    • @mikehendon7327
      @mikehendon7327 Před 2 lety +1

      @@TheDetailsMatter the computer thought that the lens flares were shields.

  • @ericmadsen7470
    @ericmadsen7470 Před 2 lety +3

    I love the old girl. She's got class.

  • @kennyhagan5781
    @kennyhagan5781 Před rokem

    Long haired freaky person from Texas here, and thanks for reminding me of "WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE " .I consider it one of the best episodes in the original series, and Sally Kellerman was just so pretty in that uniform.
    For a ship,yeah I'd rather have a Starfleet built frigate than just about anything in sci-fi. They just make good ships.
    Any old Magee class would tickle me pink, and I could manage most of the upgrades myself, though it looks like I'd need a few extra people to reweave the warp coils...I found an old Tesla design online that would scale up nicely.....
    Seriously, that guy is STILL ahead of his and our times.
    Great video, and may the great bird of the galaxy fly with you. 💯

  • @TheDetailsMatter
    @TheDetailsMatter Před 2 lety +15

    Reports that some Constitution Class ships had a lounge aft of the bridge must be apocryphal. According to the published blueprints, that's where the Sherman Tank was kept.
    Said blueprints also depicted retracted landing legs for the saucer section (but none for the engineering section). The saucer was meant to be able to detach by explosive bolts in case of impending destruction of the engineering section, to serve as a lifeboat or shelter for the surviving crew while awaiting the arrival of rescue ships. Reversible saucer sep didn't become a thing until much, much later.

    • @Jeremyhughes86
      @Jeremyhughes86 Před 2 lety

      you realize that basically all published blueprints are non-canon, right ?

    • @PNolandS
      @PNolandS Před 2 lety

      What blueprints are you looking at that have an M4 stored aft of the bridge?

    • @TheDetailsMatter
      @TheDetailsMatter Před 2 lety

      Constitution class authentic blueprints, Franz Joseph design, published 1975 by Ballantine. Had a set when I was but a wee fan once upon a time. (Tried to post a link, but YT deleted it.)

    • @magnumserpentine6444
      @magnumserpentine6444 Před 2 lety

      There was suppose to be a way to land the ship according to Gene. But while filming the first Pilot (With the real Pike) The Scientist from CalTec (Or somewhere nearby) said just filming the model to make the landing look realistic would cost a bundle (talking filming the fictional series not an actual landing of an actual ship) So Gene and his crew came up with the Transporter. (The Making of Star Trek is a very good source and you will see that Gene thought the Enterprise would not go more than Warp 8 on the old scale, nothing at all mentioned about Warp 22 I just got through looking through the book again)

    • @PNolandS
      @PNolandS Před 2 lety

      @@TheDetailsMatter Don't worry about the link, my dad's got a set of those blueprints at home. I've been trying to locate the Sherman, but to no avail (must be cloaked). I love little tidbits like this, so please don't take this the wrong way and think I'm trying to call you out on being wrong or something, but do you remember/can you describe more specifically where it is? (or am I being an idiot and failing to realize this was sarcastic)

  • @nealwhaley63
    @nealwhaley63 Před 2 lety +3

    The Star Trek novel Black Fire featured the Enterprise crew abandoning the saucer section after it was damaged beyond repair by an explosive. All surviving crew crammed into the engine hull and returned to Earth.

  • @MoonjumperReviews
    @MoonjumperReviews Před 2 lety +5

    Excellent video, as usual. The only thing I would disagree with is the notion that the Enterprise was (I can’t remember your exact wording) disassociated or rejecting of any form of religion. The fact that the Enterprise is shown to have a chapel in “Balance of Terror,” that Lt. Martine is seen praying in that chapel in the same episode, would tend to contradict that. Furthermore, the main characters refer to God rather frequently throughout the series. In one instance, Uhura specifically references Christ rather reverently. Whether or not she considers herself Christian is not entirely clear, but when Kirk confronts Apollo, saying, “We consider the one God quite sufficient,” that pretty solidly implies some level of belief.
    It’s been said (mostly by TNG fans) that the TOS era is just as atheistic as the TNG era, but there’s really no evidence of that-indeed, quite the opposite. Much like Picard’s claim that Starfleet is not a military. The TOS era Starfleet never operated under such pretense. Kirk was upfront when, in “Errand of Mercy,” he stated, “I’m a soldier, not a diplomat.” TOS and TNG were two very different eras. A lot can change in 100 years.

    • @Swiftbow
      @Swiftbow Před 2 lety +2

      About the only example of Kirk claiming to not be military is in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. (He tells Gillian he's not in the military.) However, this is pretty easily hand-waved, as he's not part of THAT era's military.
      That movie also contains the ONLY example of "no money" in the TOS era. Because we see money being used in a LOT of episodes (Mudd's Women and Trouble with Tribbles are two examples off the top of my head), as well as in Star Trek III when Bones is trying to charter a flight and mentioned in VI when Scotty tells everyone he just bought a boat. That one is hand-waveable, too, as he might just mean they're using electronic credits and not physical money.
      I think Roddenberry probably forced both those lines to appear in the movie, but neither of them really makes sense with the rest of the material unless you head canon it as above.

    • @MoonjumperReviews
      @MoonjumperReviews Před 2 lety +1

      @@Swiftbow - Yes. Back in 1986, I was was watching Star Trek IV in the movie theater, when Kirk said the “no money” line, I literally said out loud, “Since when?” That line annoyed the hell out of me even though it is still my favorite Star Trek movie to date.

    • @Swiftbow
      @Swiftbow Před 2 lety +1

      @@MoonjumperReviews Yeah, it does for me, too. Actually, I seem to recall McCoy talking about SHOPPING for the glasses Kirk sells to the antique shop.
      And they didn't need "no money" to not have the jokes where the crew had problems with the local cash. It's not like their exchange rates would even vaguely resemble 20th Century San Francisco. Kirk's "Is that a lot?" would still work just fine.

  • @MoriShep
    @MoriShep Před 2 lety +2

    IIRC you could rig the warp drive on a contitution class to travel thru time as well and this is partly why they where phased out...to powerfull

  • @oldtimefarmboy617
    @oldtimefarmboy617 Před 2 lety +1

    Starfleet was an exploration organization who found out the hard way with the Enterprise NX-01 that space was very dangerous and they would have to the strongest weapons available to protect themselves from those dangers as they explored. Not all galactic civilizations were friendly or tolerant of strangers.

  • @Revkor
    @Revkor Před 2 lety +5

    actually Excalibur and Lexington were heavily damaged not destoryed. heck Constellation may have been salvagable

    • @ecmorgan69
      @ecmorgan69 Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah, they could’ve towed Constellation into dry dock and refit her, good as new. I guess she was more useful and important on her last run though. Sacrificing her saved a heavily-populated star system that was in the DM’s path. Sad, really.

  • @whirledpeaz5758
    @whirledpeaz5758 Před 2 lety +2

    As Isaac Arthur is known for saying, there is no such thing as an unarmed spaceship. If it has a Propulsion system it is a weapon.

  • @Shaheen164
    @Shaheen164 Před 2 lety +2

    Listen. That Gelato machine is always the most important thing

  • @dajonaneisnoah8714
    @dajonaneisnoah8714 Před 2 lety +3

    An interesting note regarding the TOS version of the Constitution is how much of the Warp Nacelles are dedicated to equipment other than the warp coils. The display seen in the Enterprise episode "In a Mirror Darkly" shows that nearly half the Nacelle is dedicated to other equipment. This is something we don't see on later vessels until the Sovereign-Class (look closely at the tail-end of the nacelle's equipment on the Sovereign's LCARS Master Display and you see a structure similar to the ball in the back-end of the Constitution's nacelle). It may be that this equipment is what lets the Constitution fine-tune its warp field to attain such unusual performance beyond its rated output, and might be related to how the ships were able to not only fight at warp speed, but could even go to warp *in* *reverse* (TOS: "Balance of Terror"). It could even be that this equipment for fine-tuning warp fields meant that, unlike later models, this version of Warp Drive could have been more ecologically friendly.
    The Master Display of the Enterprise-D does not show any such structures aft of the warp coils. Even the Master Display of the Enterprise-B Excelsior-class ship also shows no additional structures behind the warp coils, though leaves a mystery as to what is in the boxy structures atop the tail end of the nacelle contains. It may be that as later ships used the Excelsior-style warp engine layout, there was less need for such fine-tuning due to better control of the plasma feed to the warp coils, resulting in engines that didn't even try to mitigate what the engines were doing to space-time and thus causing the damage to subspace. In fact, the first new ship we see that has equipment installed behind the coils again is the Intrepid, which has Aft Warp Field Controllers and an Oscillation Invers(something - text is blurry). It may be that the more extensive equipment on the Sovereign is why its nacelles do not need to use variable geometry to reduce ecological damage and reach higher top speeds. Unfortunately, the Prometheus' Master Display does not show us the Warp Nacelle's interior layout, so we cannot know for certain whether it uses the Sovereign-style expanded equipment or not (though it does have an extended non-glowing tail segment).

    • @cosmeticscameo8277
      @cosmeticscameo8277 Před 2 lety +1

      TOS warp engines are crazy fast.
      for example the federation class dreadnought can hold warp 10 for 12 hours.
      to compare how crazy this is
      the constitution class can hold warp 8 for 8 hours.

    • @jonasklose6472
      @jonasklose6472 Před 2 lety

      @@cosmeticscameo8277
      The TOS warp scale was different. In TNG, they used a scale that ended with warp 10. Warp 10 was the highest possible speed as it allowed you to to anyhere instantly. In TOS, they used a geometric scale with no limits.
      Warp 8 of TOS is 6.5 in TNG. Warp 10 is warp 7.94. Warp 15 is warp 9.93.

    • @Swiftbow
      @Swiftbow Před 2 lety

      @@jonasklose6472 I've posted this in a lot of videos, but the warp scale in TOS makes a lot more sense and is WAY easier to use from both a scientific and layman's perspective. Shrinking the scale is never a good way to improve measurements.
      It's like if someone decided that the temperature scale from absolute zero to the temperature of a blue giant star was too big, and decided to make 0 degrees be absolute zero and the star 100 degrees. Could you be accurate with such a scale? Yes... but you'd have to add a crapton of decimal points. Which is what the TNG scale does.
      If they'd set infinite speed to, say, warp 100, it'd give the audience a MUCH better idea of their relative speed. Because otherwise we have warp 9.93 that can barely get across the galaxy in a human lifetime, and warp 10 (just .07 faster) that can cross the universe instantaneously. That's nuts. Hell, at those relative rates, even warp 100 for infinite speed may be too small a scale.

  • @rmcdudmk212
    @rmcdudmk212 Před 2 lety +9

    The stalwart workhorse of the Federation was the Miranda, but the Constitution class is a thoroughbred in comparison

    • @cosmeticscameo8277
      @cosmeticscameo8277 Před 2 lety

      so if going by STD
      2250s starfleet consists of
      Crossfield Class.
      Shepard Class.
      Magee Class.
      Cardenas Class.
      Nimitz Class.
      Hoover Class
      walker class
      malachowski class
      engle class
      miranda
      constitution class
      basically except for
      Magee Class.
      malachowski class
      miranda
      constitution
      all other classes are massive.

  • @stevenewman1393
    @stevenewman1393 Před rokem +1

    🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail and way shape and form possibly provided indeed, And the Constitution class is and always will be my most favorite starship design as well as the Refit design indeed👌.

  • @donovanbradford8231
    @donovanbradford8231 Před 2 lety +9

    I do love this ship and the design. I like the breakdown of that you technically had a leveling down in terms if tech after the klingons kick starfleet's ass the big wigs realized we need better ships or more modular ship consoles. The best example is the TOS episode Where No Man Has Gone Before, where most of the Enterprise is recked by an unknown force leaving it crippled but by going to a nearby planet and taking a ninning station's main consoles the crew is able to repair the ship completely. While I do also get that Starfleet even in this era looked at itself as an organization that was both scientific and law enforcement based a ship like the Constitution does call that into question. But when you have races like the Klingons, and Romulans that are expanding aggressive powers you need something that can stand up to them. It's the old saying if an army of mechs are coming at you get yourself a gundam and you'll be fine. And that's what the Constitution is the gundam if the federation.

    • @cosmeticscameo8277
      @cosmeticscameo8277 Před 2 lety

      also the fact the ship limped light years away on impulse power... O_O

    • @TheDetailsMatter
      @TheDetailsMatter Před 2 lety

      8 tenths of lightspeed. Good enough for short trips, particularly if it's all you've got left. Must've been an interesting year and a half, what with two crew members gestating into psychic gods, and all.

  • @enoughothis
    @enoughothis Před 2 lety +3

    The Constitution: Because somebody has to go under the bus

  • @mattwho81
    @mattwho81 Před 2 lety +1

    Starfleet began as an exploration and research branch but growing tensions with the Klingons and others made the Federation finally get serious about building a ship that could fight. I think Constitution was the DS9 Defiant of its day.

    • @cosmeticscameo8277
      @cosmeticscameo8277 Před 2 lety

      in TOS era they had the federation class dreadnought.

    • @Swiftbow
      @Swiftbow Před 2 lety +1

      The idea that Earth could discover a galaxy full of aliens, and potentially hostile ones, and NOT build a military defense just in case is kind of hard to believe. I see Starfleet as a military operation that engages in strategic exploration, with the hope of peaceful cooperation. But they speak softly and carry a big stick, so to speak.

    • @mattwho81
      @mattwho81 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Swiftbow I think its the other way round. WWIII left humans averse to war and Zephram Cochrane sold them a dream of peaceful expansion... but NX01 showed how dangerous the galaxy was. The Federation developed weapons on paper and held them in reserve. Whenever theres a conflict the Federation produces astonishing tactical advances in no time at all. Constitution, Defiant, Akira, Sovereign, all these designs probably existed in theory years before the ship were actually built.

    • @Swiftbow
      @Swiftbow Před 2 lety +1

      @@mattwho81 If the NX-01 proved how dangerous the Galaxy was, then it kind of proves the point that Starfleet is their military, even if they'd hoped it wouldn't be.

  • @AtomicVisionary
    @AtomicVisionary Před 2 lety

    The TOS and TMP eras are my favorite eras in Star Trek. I just love everything about them. I also really like the Lost Era too.

  • @hellacoorinna9995
    @hellacoorinna9995 Před 2 lety +1

    2:45
    Kinda like being Rangers and SAS, SEALs, Delta Force, Legion Entrangiere, 4 Para, Marine Recon, Fighter Pilots, Firemen, Rescue Divers.
    Astronauts, Cosmonauts, Taikonauts.
    Prestige is borne not from softness, but from difficulty.

  • @resurrectedstarships
    @resurrectedstarships Před 2 lety +7

    Well yah see the old Connies were the safest ships for their day - and that is precisely why about 4 of 13 survive!! But hey, at least they weren't old D-7's which almost always find a way to die when they show up!

    • @cosmeticscameo8277
      @cosmeticscameo8277 Před 2 lety +3

      4 out of 13 if you're talking about ship lost or crew dead you're looking at 50%.
      uss constellation
      uss farragut
      uss excalibur
      uss intrepid
      uss defiant
      USS Exeter

  • @benjaminrosen3286
    @benjaminrosen3286 Před rokem +1

    Starfleet/UFP seems to sway between periods of peaceful technological advancement, (where they're willing to risk functionality for all the bells and whistles), and chaotic/war eras where they only focus on the essentials. Which makes sense when you understand human mentality and history. In times of prosperity, they splurge and experiment. In times of hardship, they stick to what works.

  • @rhylin26
    @rhylin26 Před 2 lety +1

    I liked your explanation of the design difference between Disco and TOS.

  • @Rastek19
    @Rastek19 Před 2 lety +1

    Man the casualty list of the constitution class gives me the impression that starfleet lost as many of them as they did galaxy class on the dominion war

  • @blairbrown4812
    @blairbrown4812 Před 2 lety

    Being assigned to any ship of the line,particularly any ship class destined to become an Enterprise,was bound to be a dangerous assignment,primarily because they were the frontline exploratory,diplomatic and defensive capital ships of the Federation,the best of the best.

  • @alexmuenster2102
    @alexmuenster2102 Před 2 lety +2

    Factual error at 2:10. During the events of "The Ultimate Computer," of the four Federation star ships Lexington, Excalibur, Hood, and Potemkin, NONE is actually completely destroyed - though the Excalibur was rendered lifeless.

  • @src6339
    @src6339 Před 2 lety +14

    But lore, your forgetting that episode of TNG where picard said that starfleet wasn't a miltary institution and that it primary purpose was recreation or somthing...

    • @laurarules3642
      @laurarules3642 Před 2 lety +3

      Don't encourage him or he'll be bringing up ism's again

    • @cosmeticscameo8277
      @cosmeticscameo8277 Před 2 lety +2

      hnce why star trek would make more sense if they split it in 2 , exploratory arm and military arm. cause you just can't send explorers to go into battle.

    • @socialmediaisterrible
      @socialmediaisterrible Před 2 lety +1

      You beat me to it

    • @src6339
      @src6339 Před 2 lety +2

      @@cosmeticscameo8277 is that when admiral Ross asked you to hold his beer?

    • @cosmeticscameo8277
      @cosmeticscameo8277 Před 2 lety +1

      @@src6339 yes.

  • @darkadmiral106
    @darkadmiral106 Před 2 měsíci

    I swear, this constant clip of Picard absolutely killed me😂😂😂

  • @scootmccracken
    @scootmccracken Před 2 lety +3

    Gallifreyan - Starfleet alliance ha

  • @Reddotzebra
    @Reddotzebra Před 2 lety +6

    "The largest nuclear weapon tested to date" was supposed to be a hundred megatons but the Russians chickened out and replaced a chunk of the reaction mass with lead.
    Depending on whose data you trust the most, it was either 58 megatons or 50 megatons, with 50 being the figure supplied by the Russians.

  • @costelinha1867
    @costelinha1867 Před 2 lety +1

    Picard: Starfleet is not a military organization, it's purpose is exploration.
    Kirk: Orders Scotty to stun an entire plannet's surface worth of people, and even threatens to sterilize another planet in another episode.
    Me: Oh I see, so they are just as peaceful as Gandhi in the Civilization video game franchise.

    • @2097Pyros
      @2097Pyros Před 2 lety

      "Our words are backed with PHOTON TORPEDOES!"

    • @costelinha1867
      @costelinha1867 Před 2 lety

      @@2097Pyros Exactly, like any peaceful civilization.

  • @dennispoley6005
    @dennispoley6005 Před 2 lety +1

    Russia actually detonated a 58 megaton bomb in October 1961. The test of the Tsar Bomb was originally to be 100 megaton yield but was dialed back to reduce fallout. It was determined that anything larger would not increase damage because more of the blast would simply go into space.

    • @mikem9246
      @mikem9246 Před 2 lety +1

      Also I think the bomber would not have been able to get out of the blast range if it had been the full 100MT.

  • @MvsEverybody
    @MvsEverybody Před 2 lety +2

    Gallifrey… LMAO

  • @Conundrum191
    @Conundrum191 Před 2 lety +1

    To be fair, part of me envisions Voyager having a giant replicator that simply replicated delta flyers. Much like how in TOS they had one that created random redshirts.

    • @thethirdchimpanzee
      @thethirdchimpanzee Před 2 lety

      I Star Trek: Prodigy they have a "Vehicle Replicator" - it can make shuttles *and* ground vehicles as needed. It's pretty cool because it doesn't make the vehicle all at once, like a holographic meal just appeared all at once - this is more like a 3D printer.

  • @rangerhawk
    @rangerhawk Před 2 lety +1

    I seem to remember an authorized blueprint book for Star Tek ships being released maybe early 80's that showed landing struts on the Constitution class.

  • @liontone
    @liontone Před 2 lety +1

    Connies we’re both the explorer, and front line battle cruiser. No wonder many were lost.

  • @corssecurity
    @corssecurity Před 2 lety +1

    It was established that shuttle Bay was for landing or launching and shuttles were stored below deck and brought up on an elevator platform.
    Much how an aircraft carrier works. They planes are not left sitting out on the deck.
    I'm quite positive certain maintenance is performed, like draining the fuel tanks stoing the missiles and ammo.

    • @whirledpeaz5758
      @whirledpeaz5758 Před 2 lety +1

      Being a Carrier sailor myself, I believe the Hanger Bay to be mislabeled and should be the Flight Deck. The storage below is the Hangar Deck. IMHO

    • @corssecurity
      @corssecurity Před 2 lety

      @@whirledpeaz5758 I will defer to personal knowledge.
      The most authoritative source material will always be second hand information.
      It would seem having to evacuate the entire deck every time a shuttle was to arrive or depart would slow down routine maintenance and repair. Would seem best to have a separate storage, maintenance and flight deck.
      Having worked around at least one airport and flown into and out of a few, I never saw planes stored or disassembled on the tarmac.
      Still star trek writers would have the death star launch from Voyagers shuttle Bay.

  • @marcogerber7568
    @marcogerber7568 Před 2 lety +5

    Early in the video, when you mention the Constitution class vessels destroyed in action, I miss the Enterprise. AFAIK, it was destructed in orbit of the "Genesis Planet."
    And later you say the strongest nuke ever tested was about 25MT TNT-equivalent, which is probably wrong. The USSR hydrogen bomb tested on october 30, 1961 is estimated to have been 2 to 4 times more powerful than that.

    • @jjjacer
      @jjjacer Před 2 lety

      yeah the 25MT was the american made bomb b-41/mk41 while the russians had a 100MT design yield/50MT tested TSAR Bomba

  • @BattlestarZenobia
    @BattlestarZenobia Před 2 lety +3

    Erm largest nuclear test was 50 megatons, the Soviet Tsar bomba

    • @LoreReloaded
      @LoreReloaded  Před 2 lety +6

      Russia isn’t real

    • @MySparkle888
      @MySparkle888 Před 2 lety +4

      Putin is actually Gul Dukat with cosmetic surgery to look Human.

    • @BattlestarZenobia
      @BattlestarZenobia Před 2 lety

      @@LoreReloaded long live the revolution comrade!

    • @cosmeticscameo8277
      @cosmeticscameo8277 Před 2 lety

      but for example star trek photon torps have similar yield but only 7 feet tall.

  • @Mephilis78
    @Mephilis78 Před 2 lety +1

    Btw, I think the ships themselves were rather safe... They just seem to be magnets for trouble. It's like all the Alpha and Beta quadrant powers have some kind of special radar so they know exactly where every Connie ( or Galaxy, for that matter) are at any given time. It also works on random deadly space anomalies too.

    • @Josh-iv2bw
      @Josh-iv2bw Před 2 lety

      How many Galaxies actually got wrecked though? I only remember the Yamato self destructing due to sabotage.

    • @jaquigreenlees
      @jaquigreenlees Před 2 lety +1

      Nope, it was a special subspace beacon that screamed: TROUBLE HERE I AM COME AND GET YOUR BUTT KICKED!!!!!!!!

    • @Mephilis78
      @Mephilis78 Před 2 lety

      @@Josh-iv2bw Including the Enterprise itself inexplicably dying to a low tier B'rel attack? One instantly disintegrated when it met the Jem Hadar.
      Also, I don't think there were as many Galaxies made, as there were Connie's.

    • @Josh-iv2bw
      @Josh-iv2bw Před 2 lety

      @@Mephilis78Federation ships are generally heavily relevant on their Shields pre dominion war. Both the Enterprise and the one lost in that attack on the other side of the wormhole had had their Shields mitigated. And both ships put up a heavy fight even then.

  • @cfbmoo1
    @cfbmoo1 Před 2 lety +1

    The Constitution Class is a ship I'd want to take and work on if it were real and I had the resources. I'd have it looking like it originally did in the TV series while filling it with way more modern engines, equipment, etc. Kind of like redoing an old car and then just cruise around the galaxy in it with maybe some a fireball paint scheme accent the busard collectors and fuzzy dice hanging from the view screen and a larger pair hanging on neck section of the ship.

  • @gregramoundos6784
    @gregramoundos6784 Před 2 lety +1

    In Star Trek the original series tomorrow’s yesterday Kirk made reference that Starfleet is a combined service and compared it to the United States Air Force, and Star Trek to Kirks son called Starfleet the military,

  • @kingsman8475
    @kingsman8475 Před 2 lety +1

    The Enterprise did not travel at 15 warp in TOS. The maximum speed was 14.4 in "That Which Survives." - Your welcome 🖖 LLAP

  • @vulkunne1542
    @vulkunne1542 Před 2 lety

    I think many videos like this one, while providing great observations from a particular angle, over look something that's in plain site. Sometimes its not always about the ship or what the ship can do, its about the crew too. For example if you ever look into some of these 'Cave-Diving' stories, its absolutely amazing how far people can get with very little to work with and still be successful in the end. And so it is here, yeah the Constitution has its issues but to a competent crew and commander these are challenges to overcome and not permanent obstacles.

  • @andromidius
    @andromidius Před 2 lety

    The Constitution always struck me as being a 'workhorse' vessel - not fancy, but tough and resilient. Something that would last for decades without refit if needed. That if lost in deep space wouldn't expose alien species to the very best of new Federation technology, but had the teeth to fight almost anything if needed.
    And it was so successful that when Star Fleet needed to rebuild the fleet after the Klingon war they found themselves relying on the older proven technology more then before. Mirandas and Oberths would be resource cheap and quick to build, and would do the job needed just fine during reconstruction. Constitutions are kept in service and become the front line ship of choice, only being replaced once the Excelsior design is properly tested and trialled rather then rushing out the newest thing like they'd done before.
    Its a bit like how the Iowa Battleships of the US Navy found themselves being in service for so long - they just worked, and it took a huge shift in technology to finally retire them.

    • @andromidius
      @andromidius Před 2 lety

      Also I think Picard's words on Star Fleet not being a military organisation are reflective of the times - he was around during a time of unprecedented peace in the region (with the Cardassian war being the only example I can think of, and that was a border skirmish compared to the wars with the Klingons and Romulans). At that stage it certainly wasn't a military force, at most it was a peacekeeping and policing organisation that spent most of its time assisting research, exploration and diplomatic matters. It took the Borg to really wake them up and realise that Star Fleet's original purpose was defence (exploration was really a side project - in Enterprise only the NX-01 is exploring, the rest of the fleet is based around Sol and maybe patrolling nearby shipping lanes). By the end of the Dominion War Star Fleet was a full on military, and it struggled to get back to exploration again for quite some time.

  • @RoXolid
    @RoXolid Před 2 lety +4

    I've not the biggest Connie fan, but this is a terrific look at this ship.

    • @jplonsdale7242
      @jplonsdale7242 Před 2 lety

      Then you aren't a fan of star trek

    • @RoXolid
      @RoXolid Před 2 lety

      @@jplonsdale7242 Stop, just stop. Just because someone likes or doesn't like something you do or don't like doesn't make them more or less of a fan. That's gatekeeping BS. I have no love for TOS, it's one of my least favorite series, but I do enjoy the TOS Movies. For me, I really dove into Trek with TNG, and DS9 is my favorite of all the series.

  • @popeofsimps2924
    @popeofsimps2924 Před rokem

    in terms of the heavy armaments i give a counter argument, space isn't just deadly thanks to hostile aliens, but also asteroids and other space debree. which in those situations would require some weaponry
    i.e the phasers could do a single target for debree while torpedoes were used to clear a small field

  • @jehb8945
    @jehb8945 Před 2 lety +1

    In the context of the time the TV show originally aired the original Constitution class and by proxy the Enterprise were a huge departure where science can spaceships usually had rockets and fins and whatnot with the exception being the Jupiter-2 from Lost in space
    Still the original Enterprise was relatively gimmick free and it's design was all business.

    • @rogersmith7396
      @rogersmith7396 Před 2 lety

      Jupiter II was a great design. Even had a garage for the RV. 5k big screen. Danger! Danger!. Judy was hot. Mrs. R too.

  • @JasonPrice1
    @JasonPrice1 Před 2 lety +2

    Tsar Bomba enters the chat -- 55 megatons.

  • @seanb.6793
    @seanb.6793 Před 2 lety

    Good video. Sorry to point out a typo - Ships doesn’t need an apostrophe, unless they own something. Like, this ship’s warp core is outdated. So, “Ships of the Era”.

  • @Daya337
    @Daya337 Před 2 lety

    never seen in cannon, meanwhile JJ is over there with the "hold my beer" expression...
    All them scenes of Scotty on the show in "engineering" was the saucers engineering room. Take note that there is no warp core tube.
    Kind of reinforces the concept of the saucer being capable if needed, to be on its own without an attached "engineering hull" if you asked me.

  • @tiberiusrobustus
    @tiberiusrobustus Před 2 lety +1

    So I've noticed a lot of comments about the precise yield of the Tzar Bomba. I don't think this is the important pedantic point - Lore was within the order of magnitude. Comparing the yield of a nuclear weapon to the thrust of a fission rocket engine are not the same thing. The yield of a nuclear weapon is measured in a way to compare to the amount of TNT necessary for an explosion of a similar size, where the MT of force of a rocket engine is the measure of the thrust. Assuming the impulse engine is actually a fusion-based rocket engine, a good comparison would be to the Spacex Raptor engine. This is designed for the new Starship, and this engine has a thrust of about 230 T, which is why it makes sense to rate a magic future rocket engine in megatons.

    • @rogersmith7396
      @rogersmith7396 Před 2 lety

      As I understand it you encounter relativistic effects at about 1/3 of c. So the impulse engines would need infinite power to get up to c.

    • @tiberiusrobustus
      @tiberiusrobustus Před 2 lety

      @@rogersmith7396 And indeed, the impulse engines are sublight, that is to say, less than c. There's no reason to use impulse engines to try to achieve high speeds when the ship is equipped with warp engines lol.

  • @leoismaking
    @leoismaking Před 7 měsíci

    Yes, the Constitution was very well armed - it was also an explorer in a much "wilder" time. We humans living in the 21st century have a hard time understanding that in an era of GPS satellites where our whole world's surface is fully explored. There was a time when every ocean voyage and every expedition over a new mountain range could actually lead you to contact with an entirely new civilization or empire, or some fearsome new creature that you couldn't call animal control on. So explorers went armed, to the teeth. Coming in peace is all well and good, but that hardly guarantees you will be welcome in peace.
    In fact, how many times, again and again, have we seen those weapons be used to save the crew when they were mostly exploring? The Doomsday Device for example... deep space is full of scary stuff! In the 23rd century, unarmed explorers are very dead explorers.

  • @yetiking2057
    @yetiking2057 Před 2 lety +1

    You can use the original style enterprise in star trek vr(dlc). Most of the people I play with are lost using its old school switches and levers. But I absolutetly love it. I bet cylons from Battlestar galactica wouldn't be able to hack its systems.

  • @rossco010
    @rossco010 Před 2 lety +1

    The largest nuclear weapon tested to date is around 50 megaton, not 25.

  • @mainstreetsaint36
    @mainstreetsaint36 Před 2 lety +1

    For a 'not military organization' they sure were rather militarized between 2285 (Wrath of Khan) to 2293 (The Undiscovered Country).

  • @Giomancer
    @Giomancer Před 2 lety

    If I remember correctly, back during the TOS days Starfleet was indeed a military and did not feign otherwise; You went to a military academy for the best and brightest, competed with each other, and eventually-if you succeeded-went out on a five-year tour, just you and your fellow crewmates, all willing to challenge the unknown, and-if necessary-fight. God knows what happened to Starfleet during the interim between TOS and TNG, but clearly they decided that carrying thousands of civilians around dangerous parts of the galaxy was a Great Idea.
    Now it should be pointed out that the heavy cruiser designation is given to ships built for speed and range like a cruiser but with heaver guns (in comparison, a battlecruiser will have battleship-grade weaponry but still cruiser-grade shields/armor). The Constitution class was never really meant to be the ship of the line, taking and holding territory. As per their mission charter, they were designed to operate on extended tours of duty into the unknown, often operating alone and without support.
    For war, Starfleet was counting on their Federation-class battleships.. but their budget apparently got cut by the Federation Congress before they could be built.

    • @TacoSallust
      @TacoSallust Před 2 lety +1

      What happened to Starfleet in the time between TOS and TNG is explained - the Klingons and Federation signed the Khitomer Peace Accord after Star Trek 6, and the Romulans stayed on their side of the Neutral Zone for almost a hundred years until season 1 of TNG. The Ferengi were still a bit of a new species with few interactions . . . not exactly sure when the Cardassian War occurred but Federation starships were capable of handling their own against Cardassian warships.

  • @nicwilson89
    @nicwilson89 Před 2 lety +1

    9:22 The largest nuclear weapon tested was the Tsar Bomba. It was detonated with a yield of 50mt, this was half as powerful as it was capable but they were worried the plane wouldn't be able to escape fast enough and there was some concern about possibly setting fire to the atmosphere and some other things, iirc

  • @Da_Publick
    @Da_Publick Před 10 měsíci

    Every Sheldon in the Trekverse called you out for saying the most powerful nuclear test was only twenty-five megatons. 😂

  • @toycarsushiwriter3573

    I'm a Constitution Class Starship Man.
    I love the Constitution Class Starships and mainly the USS NCC 1701 Enterprise, she's beautiful.

  • @michaelnolan6054
    @michaelnolan6054 Před 2 lety

    They're good ships. Just just don't let them near giant Hungry space amoebas (Intrepid), Doomsday Machines (Constellation), M-5 controlled Enterprise (Excalibur), or their crews to dehydrating space disease (Exeter), unstable Tholian space (Defiant).

  • @YosemiteJohn
    @YosemiteJohn Před 2 lety

    The original Constitution Class is as beautiful as the Clipper Ships in their day but you have to pose it right. As originally drawn it was oriented upside down from what was actually filmed

  • @Fatherofheroesandheroines

    Explorers all right.. exploring kicking your ass!

  • @tomlake2732
    @tomlake2732 Před 2 lety

    The range of the transporters in TOS was stated as 16000 miles (about 25750 km) in early literature from Lincoln Enterprises (Gene Roddenberry and Majel Barrett's official Star Trek store). How did they make the gravity generators so reliable? They worked even on an otherwise dead ship!

    • @LoreReloaded
      @LoreReloaded  Před 2 lety

      It was stated in dialogue the distance somewhere

  • @rogersmith7396
    @rogersmith7396 Před 2 lety

    If you read Roddenburys book the saucer and lower section rotated to give artificial gravity. The nacelles were some type of electromagnate thing.

  • @frankharr9466
    @frankharr9466 Před 2 lety

    I ran into someone's design for the interior of the TOS Connie, and it was wonderful. Sadly, it was also private, so I don't feel good about sharing it. I wish I could.
    But that's a good overview. At the time, we never saw a ship-to-ship weapons exchange from outside, but based on what people said, I imagine that the plan was to point the under-primary-hull phasers at the other vessel and fire from there thus keeping the bridge and the nacesels away from the other vessel's firing arc.
    I always htought a bowling alley was a dumb idea. Is that in cannon? I hope not.
    IN Mr. Scott's Guide, they make a big deal about the intermix and the fact that it leads to the impulse engines. So that was something new.
    Anyway, that's all I've got. It's been a while.

  • @CrazySpence
    @CrazySpence Před 2 lety

    The movie era refit is my favourite, also the fact that the fly by could cause a local earthquake if you have a good sub woofer when watching it.

  • @edwardbloecher4563
    @edwardbloecher4563 Před rokem

    Great video your dedication shows!😊

  • @exposingproxystalkingorgan4164

    Exploration must have weapons for hostile situations. Then, you peacefully explore the attackers to death and continue on your way.

    • @rogersmith7396
      @rogersmith7396 Před 2 lety

      Its much easier to explore after blasting everything to smithereens.

    • @exposingproxystalkingorgan4164
      @exposingproxystalkingorgan4164 Před 2 lety

      @Roger Smith Yes, it makes for less work stress. For example, you know a table is safe after you sterilize it of all germs and microbes. You can then work ununpeded.

  • @bradleysquires2592
    @bradleysquires2592 Před 2 lety +3

    Actually I have a serious question about this whole thing cuz we all alone later on that the subspace was taking damage from the old Constitution class type ship I just wondering if they have fixed it for the constitutional class ships it's not destroying warpspace when they are going to warp

    • @cosmeticscameo8277
      @cosmeticscameo8277 Před 2 lety

      wouldn't be fixed until voyager

    • @Swiftbow
      @Swiftbow Před 2 lety

      I just love how fixated people get on that subspace damage thing that was in ONE episode, vaguely mentioned in like two or three more, and then never discussed again except in technical manuals. I think the writers regretted allowing that plot point to even exist and were quietly trying to get rid of it.

    • @rogersmith7396
      @rogersmith7396 Před 2 lety

      They quit running it on oil.

  • @marcmorgan7796
    @marcmorgan7796 Před 2 lety

    The NCC-1701 - A USS ENTERPRISE is hands down the most aesthetic of all the ships we have seen. If the ships were lost it would've been due to the incompetence of their captains. Kirk encountered many of the same enemies, natural phenomena and many other dangers that he was able to overcome so I don't agree with the constitution class being the issue, the issue is with the crews that manned them

  • @xXImikoXx
    @xXImikoXx Před 2 lety +8

    "Starfleet is not a military organization..." Said CAPTAIN Picard, much to the approval of his first OFFICER, COMMANDER William Riker-As the two were made to begrudgingly acquiesce to their ORDERS, from the ADMIRALS of Starfleet... Which is, again, NOT a Military Organization, in which the two of them had both ENLISTED...
    😐

    • @mikem9246
      @mikem9246 Před 2 lety +2

      Cruise ships have captains. Which would apply to the The D.

    • @jonasklose6472
      @jonasklose6472 Před 2 lety

      Just because you use named ranks for hierarchy does not mean anything. It's what your purpose and your actions are that define what you are.

    • @Swiftbow
      @Swiftbow Před 2 lety +1

      @@mikem9246 I've never heard of a cruise ship captain being court martialed.

    • @xXImikoXx
      @xXImikoXx Před 2 lety

      @@jonasklose6472 The purpose of defending your borders, expanding your borders, advancing your technology, and colonizing new worlds that may exist outside of your established borders?

    • @xXImikoXx
      @xXImikoXx Před 2 lety

      @@jonasklose6472 I'm sure the fact that both Picard and Riker have faced "General Court Martials," and Picard has had to consult with the designated J.A.G. Officer of a sector is merely incidental.

  • @robertagu5533
    @robertagu5533 Před 2 lety +1

    Ah yes, Starfleets first Explodium based major Starship.

  • @1984Phalanx
    @1984Phalanx Před 2 lety

    No bloody A B C or D. Nice touch.