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Your End Of Chain Solution [ @Endorphines Golden Master ]
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- Golden Master is one of the few ends of chain tool available today. If you are an electronic live performer you might know how important is to have a sound that can compete with mastered music, especially when you play amongst DJs. Golden Master allows you to refine your sound , add punchiness and stereo width.
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00:00 Intro jam
00:50 Introduction
02:33 How to support me
03:13 Overview
04:24 How Golden Master works
05:25 The EQ
06:14 The Mid/Side
07:14 The Compression
09:47 How I use the pedal and conclusions
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I’ve been looking at something like this, and this seems far more appealing than the boum or analog heat as an end of chain for hardware before recording into a daw.
I agree with you
not sure, analog heat still has the analog saturation routing for it, and boum the great filter and analog compression.....and if you go into a daw anyway, why not master with a plugin chain? i'd say then the use of such a pedal is colouring, and argue that boum and heat are better/warmer at this
My golden master just arrived today! Can’t wait to get it going. Thank you for another amazing video review.
Hope you enjoy it!
That video was published in the middle of me solving exactly the problem this box solves! Like: I actually am looking at mid/side and multiband compression. I have BiG SiX that has this master insert chain:
Send -> Octatrack -> Compressor -> Return.
I planned to try this setups, from the existing blocks:
1) Octatrack with three tracks that have DJ Kill Eq as FX1, then Compressor as FX2. It would be the safest bet, because I want to use OT either way for sound mangling, mainly cutting recorded track on the go with random trigs.
2) Octatrack this time only for my mangling, then into Eurorack for my stereo Waldorf CMP1 compressor.
3) Like above, but this time I was contemplating doing compressor on my own from owned blocks. I have like 500HP of unused modules that I should either sell or find use for them. This would solve one problem that bothers me with most compressors. I think that for stereo compression it could be better to sum control signal than to sum audio. This is especially true, when there is phase shifted stereo signal (i.e. my Modal 008 is often used in stacked mode for extra stereo feel, but it means that oscillators are beating from different channels - it's specific for Modals 001, 002 and 008 that I like and utilise a lot).
4) Like point 2, but this time using Noise Engineering's take on multiband compression.
And while I was thinking about it for few weeks already, here comes solution for me - cheap, compact, with few extras. Probably will order it in the morning, after sleeping with that thought.
Thank you for introducing me to this design.
Cheers!
P.S. I never commented on that, but you inspired me with how you use send for delay (as feedback) and this is how I also will use it, when I finish my setup around BiG SiX.
Oh! I forgot to add. In every scenario mentioned there is not a word about mid/side. Well, for this I was contemplating buying special blocks. From - paradoxically cheapest options - eurorack, to Wes block, costing big money and definitely not portable in size nor weight. This is where big price advantage from this effect come very handy. I contemplated Heat + FX for that "monofying" of bass block and this does it also, costing less as a package.
That on/off demo is mind blowing. Sounds very good.
thanks!!
its also a volume boost. be careful
Tried getting on with the Boum for a few months but lost that battle, just wasn't for my ear...but this looks like it could be a winner. And a great performance tool too!
In my setup I use the Heat at the end of my signal chain, I miss a compressor for my dawless eletronic jams, the FMR RNLA of the Boum where (in my case) the only choices, this new mastering tool seems like a solid choise for live sets! I love the LED VU metering.
agreed, this product fill a big hole!
I actually think I might be more excited about this than the Ghost
definitely this is a new kind of product!
great video. just what I needed to know. thanks
Glad it was helpful!
This is exactly what Elektron should have done for their end-of-chain box. And it's like one third of the price!
This looks awesome! After some CZcams rabbitholing I've been thinking that I sooner or later want the Analog Heat for my music production, but since it does not have a real compressor so I wonder if I could complement it with for example this, or what do you think? I still love what I'm hearing from the Analog Heat. If one would do both, would you have the Analog Heat before or after this in the chain? I'm still in the brainstorming stage, want to plan my purchases in advance 😊
I am lusting after an analog heat fx+. hopefully will get one soon and test it!
is anyone having problems with this pedal where there's no led lights and sound only passing through in bypass? Also can't update the firmware?
Pretty neat. I disagree that it only does a little: eq, multiband mid/side, and multiband compression is a lot. Complex enough that I would actually be concerned about managing it live - if different tracks sound different they need different mastering. Hard to find the right balance of features versus ease of live use. I suspect I might find myself using only the compression. And that is still a reasonable value proposition, have not been looking but multiband comp like that is unusual in a pedal.
it is an unusual and welcomed product!
You say this is aimed at performance, but it seems to me it would easily be applicable if you enjoy being "DAWless", to the extend you record and master with hardware devices. Would this be a compelling pedal to stick on your hardware if you already have devices like the Bluebox or the new Allen and Heath digital mixer/recorder?
It is definitely usable for any end of chain purposes. If you record stereo performances this would be ideal.
Hey cool content! Thanks for sharing! The only thing I`m missing is the equalization of the signal`s level for A/B Comparison=)
Good point!
It would have be useful as an end of a chain device to have a headphones input, it look very handy and not expensive, first time i see a mid side processing in gear! TY for the review
that is a great idea actually, could have been useful
I've been looking for a compressor/end of chain device and was considering either the OTO Boum or FMR RNLA. This pedal actually looks better than either since you can adjust compression per band. I can't wait to hear your thoughts on it and how you think it compares to the OTO Boum.
it is a good one , you'll see :)
Boum has a pretty grabby & aggressive compressor (as well as nice warming through thermonuclear distortion), so it's a very different box.
This pedal looks to be a much gentler box all around.
a vu db and luf meter would be nice to visualize. i think you did this with boum. have the padle now here. its really a keeper.
Hello everyone, first of all, thanks for the great video! I also have the Golden master pedal. But unfortunately I'm not so happy with it. When I increase the compressor or extend the mid/side, there is a noticeable noise and sometimes even tones. This is not due to the other equipment. The only other thing I suspect is that it could be the power adapter, but it's a expensive Boss one. Do any of you have any idea or can you give me a hint?
In general with any end of chain compressor , raising noise floor is expectable. I use cioks power supplies and I noticed less noise anyway.
Have you worked with Elysia Xpressor? I am looking for "end-of-chain" multiband compressors, and Elysia is my long time dream, but don't want to make a rush decision
Never! but I know that their stuff is really great!
I used oto boum and fmr rnla for techno, but for finer minimal house nothing performed as good as the xpressor. It is a compressor that beats most of the plugins as well. I have drawmer, rnla, boum, platform, but nothing more effective while keeping the sound clean like the xpressor. It is mindblowing, that would be The Compressor if I had to pick a single one.
Yet to try this golden master.
Thanks!
Thanks so much for your support!
That’s sounds amazing!! I have a question about the audio cables that you use with this setup, are they custom cables? I’m looking for some good audio cables for my setup! Thanks in advance, and keep going 💪🏽
thats pretty neat. i will be on the hunt for a free/open source alternative for use in fl studio. or a stock plugin thats close
im sure there are lot of vet alternatives!
Hey hey! Thank you for this video!! :) Have you ever tried the really nice compressor of FMR Audio as end of chain? So far I‘m pretty happy with it. But to have a multiband eq just right to your hands is handy!
Just a suggestion about considering to do some gain staging before the comparison? Louder sounds always better.
very true, but I use it also as a gain booster. Few of the on off are gain matched tho!
Excellent! I have the 1u Golden Master eurorack module and have been trying to find tutorials on using this tool. I love my Mutant Hot Glue that is so powerful module as well for mastering in eurorack.
In m/side mode is adjusting the low band super subtle, or does it have a noticeable effect?
Magnifico 🎉
grazie
Do you mix and make tracks with it or only apply once track is mixed ?
Wow, very impressive! Sounds amazing...Any problems you came across? The eurorack version has had some problems with noise, afaik noise has been a problem with some of their modules, so I'm wondering if you've noticed anything?
not a problem. of course if your source has some noise a compressor might push it out pretty hard
@@OoraMusic There seems to be a problem with a high pitched noise for some users, might be related to PSU and even Endorphines acknowledged it. If you didn't notice anything at all, I guess I'll get one and check myself.
This thing is like a nifty little TC Finalizer in pedal format, but with kill switches for the three eq bands.
Thank you for this review.
I need something to glue two drum synths together, compression and maybe ad some warmth and cannot decide between oto boom and this one. What would you prefere? It's mainly for live sets!
both great, if you don't need distortion I would go with the golden master!
That helps! Thank you a lot :)@@OoraMusic
great demo! do you think it is also for great use in the studio? seems like it sounds good! stimming is usuing his mastering chain device in the studio as well..
pretty sure it has it studio use!
I’d like to see a comparison of this and the Doctron IMC
wish I still had one!
Short version:
What a great concept to discuss Oora. Do you have other gear that can act as 'end of chain' which you can further continue this important topic?
TL:DR Version:
These videos came at the perfect time. I've been trying to work out a end of chain 'analog sound' for my VSTs. I'm hoping I can place an analog sound on top of them... where they can then sound more like my hardware. A few of my VSTs sound great right out of the box. Those that use samples are pretty great sounding, such as granular and sample vsts, as i'm sure most people have had success with. I've also found that physical modeling VSTs sound great too (Modus for example).
However, my other favorite plug-ins have a certain sound, when playing them along with some hardware simultaneously, that I can easily hear. Thus, my reasons for trying to work out an end of chain idea. Something that can 'glue' all of my instruments together.
That VST sound, which I hear in many plug-ins, is almost the same sound that I hear with Strymon pedals (which is why i've never purchased any). It's probably just me, but I hear something like a sheen in the higher frequencies. Unfortunately, we can't obliterate or remove that VST sheen type of sound itself, but perhaps I could try to cover it up (i've been hoping anyway). I've been thinking of getting something like a used Moogerfooger filter pedal -or something similar.
Anyway Oora, just an idea to further discuss this important topic which you addressed today via these two new pedals.
Thanks again for another great couple of videos for us.
thanks for sharing your experience. So far I used the too Boum , mostly for the compression and almost no distortion. The other tool I tied was the Martin stimming one, which was great but definitely tricky to use and really expensive. This one seems a great one , I will use it for the next gigs and report back!
I ve been also considering getting something to give a more 'analog' or 'natural' caracter, if you prefer, to my VSTs and after considering all the options that won't cost a fortune, I kind of concluded that the Deco plugin is the most suitable one (I'd love to get the pedal for physical control but the plugin has a studio version and you can throw it on every track without the need for reamping). Out of curiosity, have you tested any Strymon pedal yourself or you have noticed this ''sheen' on youtube videos? This Golden Master seems to offer a lot for the price and to have a very nice subtle gluing effect but I am wondering if it is worth getting for studio use.. I can see all the benefits for having it on a gig but not sure if it's the right tool for dirtying up our VSTs..
@@happyjessus Hey, I should clarify my 'analog' sound idea. When I refer to 'analog sound' I specifically refer to it with 'clean sounds'. When using a clean sounding pad, drone, felt piano VST, for example, is when I need that sound. I don't release material to the public, so I don't need to re-amp. For the most part, I need a fat analog sound from my VSTs to fit well with my analog gear, and especially for a thicker/analog sound that mixes well with my cello. Currently, my electro-acoustic work sounds bad because there is a lot of that digital sound.
My guess is that if you really want convincing analog sounds, the kind of analog sound you get from 100% analog synth circuits, or to make acoustic instrument plugins sound convincing, I don't think you will get that from adding even more digital signals with a plugin. However, a VST may work if you just need a small hit of analog. You may also want to look into MoogerFooger plugins -especially the lowpass filter VST... it may help butter up the high/harsh digital frequencies while making some fat sounding lower ends.
But yes, I've used Nightsky and El Capistan. I can hear why people like their sound, it does sound highly professional. I do have, and very much enjoy, their Sunset OD pedal, however, I just can't get past their delay, reverb, or modulation technology.
Anyway, the other day I remembered a pedal from JHS called "Color Box", which many use for that warm/analog 'direct mixer' sound. I read it's based off the circuit from a popular Neve studio mixer. I feel somewhat relived that I remembered the pedal, because the Kingsley pedal can use it as an amp. Guitar players, many love the Kingsley sound (they sound unbelievable), us a Kingsley plugged directly into a solid state power amp, or an 'amp pedal' --because you can't go direct from Kingsley to mixer. I've wanted the Kingsley sound, but I don't need any kind of amp. Looking at the Color Box specs again, I realized I could use it as an 'amp' for a Kingsley pedal. The Color Box/Kingsley combo may offer enough analog sound. If not, I can go directly into a Model 1.4 mixer. I'll be getting a mixer either way for effect pedal channels. I'll go one step at a time, starting with a Color Box/Kingsley combo, then a digital mixer for a lot of pedal channels. If i need more 'Analog Sound', I'll plug the digital mixer into a Model 1.4 mixer. I'm thinking this will make even the cleanest sounding timbres, pads, and instruments sound very warm with great analog body... and should fit well with my cello's sound.
Hehe, I'm so happy I will be able to use a Kingsley pedal!! Good Luck my friend! ....to us both. :Dver, if you only need a small touch, enough to trick ears during busy music, a VST may work.
I just got the JHS Colorbox 2 pedal for end-of-chain sound (an analog sound). This pedal's circuit was modeled from Neve mixing boards and has a preamp as those boards did. It would be a great comparison, i think, between Golden Master and the Colorbox. To me, the GM gives almost too much low end punch, but i'm not sure if that's the compressor side of it. Part of the reason why it might be a good comparison. Anyway, i've been all smiles since getting the JHS...finally got great unprocessed sound on my VST instruments.
that one seems very cool !
So, this is slightly different than the original Golden Master module in that this is 24-bit vs. 16-bit on the original, right?
I think so, but never tested the eurorack version
Since this seems a digital unit, it could compliment the OTO Boum very well or not?
different things I think. I would keep them both
Will use them together? @@OoraMusic
Is this as good as the stereo channel overstayer?
well, we are talking about different leagues. The overstayer is a 4k pro studio tool, with lot more controls, but unusable live. The golden Master is a portable solution. This doesn't mean one sounds better than the other, they have different purposes.
I really like the pedal version better than eurorack as it has led for the modes of compressor vs eq and so forth and on eurorack I have to memorize the color associated with each mode which is a pain in the butt!
ALWAYS use expensive gear…………….why not try to make sounds with more cost effective kit. Not everyone can afford thousands £/$ for their gear !!!!!!
Hey there, there are lot of other content creator specialized in cost effective or low budget .I tried few times doing video about free plugins, or cheap setup, and those video performed terribly. Sadly the content game and the audience expectations want you to stick with your turf. Luckily there are plenty of other great video one can watch!
@@OoraMusic Understood 👍
If you think oora's gear is the most expensive possible, look into modular synths lol
@@willp3754 I didn’t say ‘most expensive possible’ 🤡🫵
@@OoraMusicis there a way you can provide cheap alternatives at the end of each video? Just a small segment?