Washington State, Oregon State Create NEW Pac-12, Eight Teams In if Expansion Big 12, ACC Don't Bite
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- Washington State and Oregon State football programs, both members of the Pacific-12 Conference (Pac-12), have rich histories and play pivotal roles in the college football landscape of the Pacific Northwest. Despite not consistently being among the top-ranked teams nationally, these programs have had significant moments and contributions to the sport.
Washington State Football
Washington State University (WSU) is located in Pullman, Washington, and its football team, the Cougars, has a storied history dating back to 1894. The Cougars have experienced various periods of success, most notably under head coach Mike Leach from 2012 to 2019. Leach’s “Air Raid” offense turned the Cougars into a high-scoring team and brought national attention to Pullman. Under his tenure, WSU achieved multiple bowl appearances and a memorable 11-2 season in 2018, finishing ranked in the top 10 nationally.
The Cougars' home games are played at Martin Stadium, known for its passionate fan base and unique small-town atmosphere. Despite the challenges of recruiting to a remote location, Washington State has produced several NFL talents, including quarterback Drew Bledsoe and wide receiver Brandon Gibson.
Oregon State Football
Oregon State University (OSU), located in Corvallis, Oregon, boasts a football program with its own distinct legacy. The Beavers have had notable successes, particularly under head coach Dennis Erickson in the late 1990s and early 2000s. The 2000 season was a highlight, with the Beavers achieving an 11-1 record and a dominant victory over Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl, finishing fourth in the nation.
Reser Stadium, the home of the Beavers, provides an energetic environment for college football. The program has produced several NFL players, such as wide receiver Brandin Cooks and cornerback Steven Nelson. Despite facing competition from regional powerhouse University of Oregon, Oregon State has managed to carve out its own identity and achieve significant accomplishments.
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PAC 12 has been the best conference for years. Cougs are amazing
Anything that helps you sleep at night🤡
Y’all are the only show keeping an eye on WSU/OSU. Thank you.
In search of clicks and likes not with any real importance those two teams are done they are cooked
@@kirkmoody6109 I bet your wife is ugly and cheats on you.
@@kirkmoody6109tight
Cal and Stanford need to get real and get back to the Pac
No. To BELIEVE THAT means that you KNOW NOTHING TRUE about the ACC. The PAC2 desperately need the ACC to take them too.
But watch for the PAC2 to end up in the Big 12 AFTER the ACC takes whoever it wants from the Big 12. If you know the FACTS you know THAT is coming.
I don't think that's going to last.
Cal and Stanford don’t want to be associated with Washington st, Oregon st, Boise st, Fresno St, etc. they’re elitist pricks!!
I say they finish with maybe 4 wins
They should go after North Dakota State University as well as some of the MWC…perfect fit.
A new PAC 8 not only would be less expensive for a network, but it would keep them in existence. This would allow them to watch the ACC and either make a case to jump, or a possibility of picking off a couple of dissatisfied teams from there. Obviously not Clemson or Florida State, and its a reach, but who knows what might happen if one of the networks steps in. I mean, who thought we would be here two years ago?
I know Cal/Stan are a weird fit even with the non-regional climate, but the 7 or 8 ACC teams Cal beats are def gunna want them gone lol
In what sport….badminton???
@@dudedude949 I hope I remember to circle back to this
Having eight schools will meet NCAA requirements. Having eight schools doesn’t help with TV Networks because they want contents for their channels. In today college football having eight schools doesn’t help them competing with other conferences especially if they have 16-18 schools. In this era of college football any conference will need to have at least 10 schools. I prefer to have between 14-16 schools
Well it's a step, first step, cause everyone waiting to see what happens with the ACC.
@@charleswebsterjr.6350 that definitely short term goal getting to eight schools. That all depends on how many schools ACC will lose. I think no later than early 2025 we will find out what ESPN does.
Barnes is a con
@@charleswebsterjr.6350 Everybody running the SEC, B1G and ACC already KNOWS what happens with the ACC,
It is just the Big 12 and PAC people still in the DARK that don't know the ACC has already WON and the Big 12 and PAC 12 LOST.
@tylernelson3343 if the acc loses schools not a single one is gonna wanna go to the pac that has been further watered down buy adding mountain west schools they won't be able to afford to travel that far that regularly no network will pay for it and no one wants to see it
If they start a new Pac 12 I hope the Minnesota Golden Gophers would join because now they will never have a chance in the Big 10 with USC Washington Oregon and UCLA in the Big 10 west. Just saying
Minnesota and NDstwould be interesting Midwest additions to a new PAC 8/10/12
Don’t worry Washington and Oregon will be decent and Ucla and Usc will seldom have winning seasons
There doesn't seem to be a good answer or result. Adding SDSU, UNLV, and CSU to the PAC is a good start...but then what? Boise State has different ideas. Other MW schools are smaller programs. I'm thinking UTSA, North Texas, and Tulsa could be an option, where none exist.
I think Oregon State and Washington State are gonna be stuck in limbo until the ACC gets raided. What I could see happening at that point is we see a new 16-team conference form, a combination of PAC/ACC leftovers and G5 promotions. My guess? Oregon State, Wazzu, Cal, SMU, Colorado State, New Mexico, UNLV and UTSA in the west; Wake Forest, Boston College, Tulane, USF, Coastal Carolina, Memphis, App State, and South Alabama in the east.
There's a few schools I purposefully excluded. San Diego State and UConn, I believe will eventually get recruited by the Big 12. Boise State, Air Force and Wyoming will want to stay and rebuild the Mountain West (though should the conference's western portion seek expansion and MWC rebuilding efforts bear little fruit, expect these schools to be first in line). James Madison is a school I considered for the eastern half, but I think they're too new to FBS football to include.
Pray the acc falls apart add a few acc teams and start an eastern division.. pick from aac, sun belt, uconn..
@@CCOS1214 if the ACC falls apart, would Stanford and Cal comeback to the PAC if SDSU, UNLV, and CSU were subsidized to leave MW to join PAC? If so, I believe Boise State would then agree to be subsidized to join PAC. Sure, not power conference, but on par with the others.
@@rockywooton2614 doubtful academic snobs probably go independent
@@CCOS1214 ACC will not Fall Apart. Adding Stanford, CAL and SMU made sure of that.
ACC has everything it wants WAITING for the right moment to join it.
Summer of 2026 is a lifetime away. College football and conference make ups will look incredibly different. All this talk of an 8 team PAC 12 is just mental masturbation.
Does this dude know his show is called locked on Big 12? Why he talk about ACC and PAC mostly. Are these dude reporters or just make stuff up
Just make stuff up to get an audience. Anyone can do what they do if interested. No good sources just hearsay to get people ton listen.
They are Podcaster, never claimed to be reporters. They discuss the BIG12 and anything that might impact the future of the conference.
@@brettallen1440 two kids living w their parents. Pitt is moving to the SEC w Louisville …
Conferences are going through an extinction event.
@@edwardnarke haha, now who is delusional.
That guy needs a few more bracelets
They are CANDY, right?
If Klivakoff is still the commissioner then let's see his skill that he brought 2 years ago before the conference collapsed. Merge with the Big 12 or bust.
Wasu and the beavers 🦫 got hosed 🤬
@@jerrygarcia4390 There are a number of mid to lower tier Big 10 and SEC teams along with every Big 12/ACC team that could find themselves on the same island with OSU/WSU.
I feel badly for them, but they didn't get "hosed." n the modern college game if you don't do something big to compete fnancially woith the SEC or the Bog Ten you'll get left behind. USC, UCLA, Washington and Oregon (among others) were under no obligation to stay in the financially-challenged Pac-10 just so WSU and OSU wouldn't get left behind. It's also not those schools' fault or responsibility the Beavs and Cougs weren't attractive to the Big Ten or the Big 12.
I was having those conversations with Immaculate on topic of college football from realignment, media deals, to Big 12 schools uniforms designed
I'd add unlv, sdsu, San Jose state, Hawaii, then utsa and Rice if they don't take Hawaii then tulane
Hawaii??
Why stop at 8 arbitrarily, with no cushion, with less content for media buyers ?
The entirety of the MWC now, after last season, all look good to me as adds to PacX, Big12 or ACC. The only question marks (each has redeeming qualities):
Nevada-Reno
New Mexico
Wyoming
Otherwise, you want all these:
1. Colorado State
2. Boise State
3. Airforce
4. Utah State
5. Fresno State
6. SDSU
7. UNLV
8. SJSU
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And I'm really liking:
Wyoming
New Mexico
Nevada-Reno is the biggest question mark; followed by affiliate member: Hawaii (but you get to play in Hawaii !!!)
Consider adding:
New Mexico State
Northern Arizona
Montana
Maybe:
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
South Dakota ?
North Dakota ?
And of course add whomever you can from AAC et al, especially: Tulane, Memphis, Tulsa, Rice, UTSA, UNT, La Tech, maybe: Toledo and Ohio, if not merge with AAC & add select others.
Tell us you have no idea who generates VALUE on a TV Contract without telling us.
If the PAC wants to just be the MWC + 2 former PAC schools they can just JOIN the MWC.
The PAC wants to be something BETTER than the MWC. They cannot do that just by adding the whole MWC.
They cannot even do that by adding MOSTLY the MWC. They most go NATIONAL to do this.
They need National Brands. They need Army, Navy, Air Force, Tulane, Memphis, San Diego St to go with Oregon St and Washington St
They need SOMETHING LIKE THAT or better. Otherwise... just JOIN the MWC and EARN NOTHING.
Do we need another G5 league? They talk of adding team coast to coast, there is no way those schools can afford that kind of travel. I don’t see the point of the whole thing.
PAC ? Is regional name. That’s out now
i go to a mountain west school, and i was never into college sports/conference history until i went to college. at one point there was something mentioned about “what the mountain west did the the wac”, could someone clue me in on what that actually means?
i would like to see the PAC-12 merge w the MW since they’re geographically close. there’s no reason pacific based teams should be competing in-conference with atlantic based teams, or pacific teams in-conference with inland/great lakes based teams. osu and wsu would make great additions to the MW. i think a merge would bring more media money, and allow them to compete against more than just each other for most of the year.
i won’t go as far as saying that if the merge goes through and enough media money comes in (which it won’t bc no one watches the MW) that the former PAC-12 teams will come back and try to rejoin the merger. (whatever name it may have) but i think it would be enough to get them at least thinking “oh they’re bringing in money now, why not rebuild the conference bc geography and save money on travel?” i’m well aware of how naïve of a take this is, but it’s purely speculation and a case study on hyper advanced mental gymnastics.
again, i’m still not up to speed on my own conference’s history, much less the PAC-12 since i just got into college sports, but since money is what split the conference i imagine that’s what would incentivize the other schools to rebuild it
The WAC was the present Mountain West. It expanded to include Rice, SMU, TCU, Fresno State, San Jose State. Then BYU did not like the move and they broke away to form the Mountain West to reformulate the WAC as it was without UTEP and other others and destroyed those programs for a decade or more.
The BIG12 will:
1)invite Miami, Louisville, UNC, and...Stanford who will help negotiate a deal with Notre Dame
and should:
buyout the MWC and AAC media rights. EAch conference will get two relegation spots a piece.
The aforementioned 4 plus current 16 will be permanent members with 4 spots going to the best of the MWC and AAC.
The BIG12 would be the biggest player in CFB as far as media is concerned.
Why would Boise State accept a role as a relegatable school? Because their other option is to stay in the Mountain West with no shot at the big leagues.
The current member have assurances that they cannot be relegated.
Who loses?
Still not a Power conference.
I mean unless you are SEC or BIG 10.....
@@DemonAngelTag I’m not sure I understand your comment. My point is that the PAC 2 can reform anyway it desires, but I don’t think it’s going to close the gap with the Power 4 conferences at the moment. I’m not convinced that the ACC will keep up with the money either. Doesn’t mean football outside the Power whatever is not worth watching. I don’t care most times who in the Big 10 is playing the SEC. I want to watch Regional games regardless of conference affiliation. It’s just more fun in my opinion. ✌️
@@russrichards6685 ACC Per School Revenue is GUARANTEED to INCREASE by at least $20 Million next year and $10 Million more the year after that and it does not matter WHO LEAVES. The ACC TV Contract and its other methods of generating INCOME are so MISREPORTED it is CRIMINAL. It did not EXPAND for NO REASON. It EXPANDED because if it has 14 All Sports team (ANY 14) ESPN cannot Walk Away and cannot Reduce the Payout through 2036.
Even if ESPN wanted to Walk Away it would not. All ESPN needs to do to EARN an extra $2.5 BILLION off of the ACC through 2036 is STAY with the ACC.
@@russrichards6685 I dont think the Big 12 or ACC can close the gap with the SEC and Big 10..so whats your point? Its a p2 now
@@roryvance3694 people act like a reconstituted PAC 2 conference is going to be on equal footing as the SEC, Big 10, or maybe the Big 12. It would be great if that were to happen but it’s unlikely. Both the remaining PAC schools have massive debt and are really no different than the MW. It’s only perception that they are better because they made up the bottom of a relatively weak Conference. Merge with the MW and move on.
Ocean 11 conference 😂
George Clooney as commissioner.
When (because I still believe it's inevitable) the ACC gets nuked, I think the B1G and SEC get four each.
That said, I think all three of FSU, Clemson and UNC go to the SEC- it makes geographical sense, has similar money lines in what is technically a smaller conference, and it means student athletes are making trips from Clemson to Lafayette as opposed to trips from Tallahassee to Los Angeles. ACC schools tend to care about more than just football, and for athletes in sports besides football, joining the B1G is a nightmare. So FSU, UNC and Clemson go SEC, and they take UVA in order to expand their regional footprint and maintain an even number of schools.
This means the B1G loses out on all three of those brands, but they rebound by finally wooing Notre Dame into the conference. Once the Irish are in, B1G expansion will be about adding new markets with new eyeballs. To this end, Stanford (Bay Area), Georgia Tech (Atlanta) and Duke (Raleigh-Durham) are the best fits, and they also bring with them an academic prestige that the B1G is known to look for. Stanford reinforces the conference's western wing and brings in the last of Notre Dame's major rivals, while GT and Duke give the B1G footholds in the South.
Now, the Big 12. Yormark can't afford to be too picky with the remaining 10 schools, and this bout of B12 expansion will be all about going east, making sure that schools like WVU, Cincy and UCF aren't on an island. The Big 12 is also not shy about adding numbers to compensate for the lack of blue bloods. So they add six of the ACC's remaining ten: Louisville, Pitt, Miami, NC State, Virginia Tech, and Syracuse. Miami becomes a travel partner for UCF and gives the Knights a regional rival in Florida, and NC State puts the Big 12 in the heart of Raleigh, while the additions of Pitt, Louisville, VT and Syracuse pair up with WVU and Cincy to create an eastern pod that's essentially just Big East 2: Electric Boogaloo.
This leaves Boston College, Wake Forest, SMU and Cal as the four oddballs, the Oregon State and Washington State of the ACC raids.
I also know that Yormark has stated a desire to have schools in all four conferences. To this end, I think the Big 12 seeks a smaller addition of two schools, one out west and one in the northeast. Enter San Diego State and UConn. SDSU slots into the B12's western wing next to the Arizona schools, grants the Big 12 access to the southern California market, and importantly gives the Big 12 a presence in the Pacific time zone. UConn, meanwhile, would be part of the conference's eastern wing, and would most likely become a travel partner for Syracuse. These eight additions (UConn, SDSU, Miami, NCST, Lville, Pitt, VT, Cuse) also bring with them some serious basketball firepower, something we all know Yormark is after.
Love this recommendation, it makes sense and collectively strengthens the BIG12.
I agree this makes sense; that's why it will never happen.
@@DayOneRob I'm a Texas fan, but I'd still love to see the Big 12 retain its seat at the big boy table.
@@chrisx9624 sir, I’m a San Diego state fan and I want to see the BIG12 maintain “power” status and I want SDSU to be in the BIG12.
@DayOneRob SDSU to the XII just makes too much damn sense, imo. We know SDSU wants in on a power conference just by their flirting with the soon-to-be-dead PAC. They check a number of boxes for the Big 12, check zero boxes for the B1G, and with the addition of Utah, BYU and the Zona schools, they wouldn't be geographically isolated. They're one of the biggest brands in the MWC, and the only one that's been confirmed to want to leave. Hell, adding them makes for a perfect excuse to also grab UConn and keep the numbers even. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like SDSU to the XII makes too much sense to not happen.
Your team should have to play in the region your conference claims to represent. A team in Massachusetts should not play in the pac 12 just like Washington and Oregon should not be in the big ten… just my opinion…
Now watch out , when Oregon has 3 consecutive losing seasons and the big 12 kicks them out and come crawling back to the pac12. Lol
When all of this Big 10-12-14? Whatever, happened. I quit giving a Shit.
Pac 12-10-8...whatever.
I am a west coast fan, sooo, I root for west coast teams.
Until now.
Grew up in LA, so SC and UCLA were my teams.
Moved to Oregon several year ago.
Checked my socal allegiance
So then....Ducks & Beavers.
Sooo...now SC ,UCLA, Ducks, Huskies have moved to...more profitable pastures???
Fu$k them all!!!
Done with college sports.!
No G5 team should join OSU and WSU in the “PAC2”. They are desperate and will indeed bolt to any other P4 for a heavily discounted price. G5 teams should only move conference if it’s an invite to a P4. PAC12 is dead son. You can thank NIL, the transfer portal, and greed for how college football is today and will be tomorrow.
Money will ruin college athletes.
why not, money or should I say the love of money pretty much ruined everything else,