It's good you mention it ! In fact in the Automotive Industry; a PDI (Pre Delivery Inspection) is standard prerequisite procedure and must be done by a Licensed Technician. All chassis bolts & nuts must be re-torqued to specifications !
Great vid. Neighbor in the background was weird at first but became my favorite part. You should have Wilson cameos as often as possible. This bike looks amazing.
Nice. I think you're right about the look. What's key I think is that it looks like a mountain bike. It means you can take it pretty much anywhere and you won't get too much grief from the bobble hats. Bikes that look like dirt bikes are looking for trouble.
O John that that thing at the rally was just so much fun . I couldn't hardly believe it would work with a 235 lb guy like me and held up with everyone trying to ride it . Now I just need to get my CANNONDALE e bike motor working right .
We didn't notice him at first, he thought it was a cool bike. It threw me off though and my southern accent slipped out. I try to keep a lid on it so vids are easier to understand.
I thought the the guy on the fence was just a friendly dude, the kinda guy you'd like next-door, glad i don't live next-door to some of the commenters on here!
Good review. I have an Oset 24 electric trials bike that I have set up for technical single track trails. It only has 1400 watts motor, but climbing is VERY good. Like, it will do stuff my skills can barely handle. I have ridden enduro bikes and downhill mountain bikes for over 30 years. I would love to see a shootout between the two. On black diamond single track trails, because the Oset only goes about 20 miles per hour. You could gear the Firefly to suit. The Oset is bomb proof, with a good skid plate. I have beaten on it for a full season with no issues.
Thank you for taking the time to do these videos. They are very much appreciated and very informative. As far as checking set up goes, I worked for Harley Davidson for 20 years and everything that came from Milwaukee needed tightening, trueing, and checking. Can a person you’re a service manual with torque specs? These new electric bikes are definitely a thing of the future. Wonderments !! I Will be looking into them. Look super for camping. Thank you very much again. God bless. Post script; at least the neighbor isn’t bitching at you LOL
I haven't found torque specs, but I assume all the small 4 and 5mm bolts are the standard 5nm that mountain bikes use. It's funny that half the responses are telling me how shitty the vids are, and the other half is telling me that the vids are informative and appreciated. Thanks for being on the appreciative side :)
Excellent review, covered everything i wanted to know (think you could do reviewing for a living), i also emailed luna cycles asking how much would it cost to export to the UK , they replied to say sales would come back to me but still waiting... so im probably going to get the Bultaco brinco instead
thanks! I've been told that a few times now, probably will start doing more reviews. I already have a business that supports me, so the youtube channel is just for fun. Contact qiulongtech through the english sur ron site. They will export to you direct for a better price, or forward you to a more local company.
On a lightweight short wheelbase bike like this, the rear can lift before the front washes out. On pavement, maximum stopping power would occur through just the front unless the rider got off the seat to fight the rear lift. You are absolutely correct in off road riding situations though, where the front will wash out far before the rear lifts. Good point of discussion :) I did get the front brakes broken in enough to do some stoppies with a little coaxing from my body weight. This ride broke them in the rest of the way czcams.com/video/Puvlwi1ASaA/video.html
On flat horizontal ground, the cosine of the angle made between the combined center of mass, the front contact patch and the horizontal road going to the back determines maximum stopping force without flipping. You can increase that amount by shifting the effective center of mass backwards, down, or adding to it (by adding to it I mean adding the mass of the rear tire and member through unloading the rear suspension either partially or completely). Partially means the rear wheel still has contact with the ground while completely means a gnats rear end between the pavement and rear tire. Any more rear wheel height than that is reducing the stopping force. How much rear suspension unloading is optimal depends on the suspension travel, rider weight, etc. ... How about chop the back of the saddle off so you can slide off the back and drop your weight down and back then apply front brake until the back wheel barely lifts off the ground? The bike would need a rear fender, and you'd need some armored pants, but doable. ; )
3 hours to charge, then ride for 45 min, go 24 miles then done. Very disappointed in the Range of my Sur-Ron. Anything past 12 miles from my house is unreachable.
The bike looks like a real nice mountain bike.Definitely want one it's deceiving peaple wouldn't know your on motorcycle love want one.Also with the prices of the mountain bike's these days i would go with one of these.
Whats up with that neighbor? Reminds me of Earl on Tool time w/ Tim Allen. That thing rips pretty good I'm impressed. Slap on a set of Zokes and clear that rock pile ;-) Let see those 12' O'clock scrapers ;-)
Haha, I noticed how your "Missourah" accent slipped out when talking to your neighbor. Lol. No big deal, here in New England everyone talks "wicked pissah". Lol. You do a damned good job of covering it up. Excellent video bud, very professional. Keep it up!
Not at this time. Totally possible with a different controller, but it will wear the first stage belt reduction faster. It normally doesn't add a ton of runtime to use regen brakes, and I would rather wear out brakes than the drive belt.
Def considering picking one of these up. I grew up riding Dirt bikes so this is pretty appealing. The price is right on for entry into electric bikes as well. Considering the Stealth H-52 will set you back 10k. I do want to see what you come up with as far as the skid plate. I ride at my family ranch in the West Texas hill country. We’ve got pebbles, boulders and everything in between out there. So yea the stock plate def won’t keep it protected.
It is an entry level bike in many ways, such as the suspension and brakes. Nothing new for entry level bikes. But the motor and controller and battery are good quality. With a stronger controller (and BMS mod) this bike can become a beast. The motor and battery can handle twice the stock power without overheating. It would beat on the batteries harder and reduce the life a few years, but that's the cost of power. Like replacing a race jug more often than a stock one because it puts out more power.
HolmesHobbies Nice. Yea I’m strongly considering picking one up. Have you had a chance to get hands on with the Kuberg FreeRider? I’ve also been checking that one out. I’m trying to see if the slightly higher price tag is worth it. Thanks for the great feedback man. Earned yourself a subscriber.
Thanks for the second review! Very informative and a great video. I have been thinking of getting one of these and this last video of yours did it for me. I'm getting one. It seems I won't be disappointed. What's the range looking like? Other reviewers get close to 40 driving it the way you did in the video. Is that about what you get? Can the battery be upgraded for longer range and power? I'm not very informed about this subject so any help would be appreciated.
Yeah man, thanks for the reviews. I’ve had mine about as long as you and keep checking for content. So far you’ve got the best reviews and info hands down. So on my bike I put some dh pedals in the back slot and along with some Sherco trials bars the peg to grip distance is identical to my other primary bike (gasgas gp). I also swapped out the front forks and wheel with some manitou Dorado experts (27.5") and a 24x3" duro wildlife tire). I had the same issue with the front brake so swapped it with an avid I had (needed to use the stock hose since it's in the right so the avid cable was short). What else... Upgrade the light to some badass Chinese LEDs and swapped out the already nice throttle with a beta throttle body. I think that's about it besides the bar ends and whatever headclamp came with the forks. I'm thinking about going up a few teeth in the back since it's a bit too fast for the trails here. I happen to have a vec300 controller unused I should also on but not ready to tear into it yet. Would like to hear more about your charger, I fried and replaced the 2 thermistors on the AC side yesterday (maybe get a voltage step up and use one of the 52v power supplies I and powering my icharger with)... Anyhow, thanks for the review. Subscribed!!
Thanks for the feedback and comments on your bike setup! I'm concerned that mine might have a damaged battery at this point. As noted in the first vid, it had the battery totally dead when received. I didn't consider it important until reading the manual, (that I had to get from Sur Ron), but the air switch was on when it arrived. Have you tested range in EP mode yet?
I haven't tested the range but it's really good as far as I can tell so far.... i've never really had it below 50%. when I got it, I think it was around 70% but with the "air switch" on as well. I have off and on results with feedback/LunaCycle but if you can get with Seb (lead CS technician who i've reached via sales@). What's happening with your battery? Mine seems to be great, lasts really long, not really any noticeable sag although i've not taken it lower than 40something percent. Did you see the range test review where the ozzie guy takes it to 0% then keeps going around the block a few times?
I dont think a 26 would fit on the rear but maybe. I put stock sherco bars that have a good bit of rise on it, as well as manitou forks that are for 27.5" rubber (with a 24x3) as well as pedals on the rear most insert and the peg/grip distance is identical to my gasgas gp. I'm 6' and it feels really good, maybe a little small but in a good way. IMO if you are even considering this bike, buy it. Its not perfect but for the price its an insane deal.
using lithium titanate cells with high current 5 minute charging would mean only a 5 minute stop to charge and could do long journeys with small capacity 10ah battery and 20,000 cycles
Thanks for publishing this follow up video. I was wondering why you wanted to use another charger besides the stock one that the bike came with. Is the stock charger no good?
Stock charger is fine, but large and not good for keeping on the bike due to vibration damage. I like to have two chargers, one at home and one at work. Ebikes.ca also makes a charger that is fully potted and can handle vibration, being mounted directly to the bike is a possibility with it. But for now, we just keep the charger at home.
@@HolmesHobbies a few questions on charging the battery. Can the battery be taken out of the bike and charged separately? If I was to purchase a spare battery for drop in on the go extra riding time is that chargeable separatedly too etc? For longer battery life cycles is it better to use a lower amperage charger even though they are slower to charge the battery. I've heard the new faster higher amperage chargers will reduce battery life cycles etc
GREAT review - super helpful ! Q:'s for you (or others on here) 1. Advantage of e-bike is usually silence, this seems a bit noisy - where does the noise come from ?? straight cut internal gears ?? or ? 2. How does it compare to Bultaco Brinco (rear motor, similar ££ here in EU/UK) .. I'm guessing better from most reviews - but good to see back to back. -- keep up the good stuff :-)
The noise is coming from the motor, due to the motor controller switching frequency and shape. At a distance it can't be heard very much, but there are controllers that would knock the noise off completely. This bike will handle much better than any hubmotor bike.
Don´t you think putting an aftermarket motor-controller to this bike would cancel the engine noise? From what I know, controller has significant role in this :)
Absolutely. A FOC or sine wave controller will cut that noise right out. The current production bikes have a sine controller, because I got a green one it was a "first run" and had the older controller. A bit peeved about getting one that didn't match the specs on the site, but I'm going to try and get an updated one.
I'm a 2 stroke Moto X guy but really want to get into electric dirt bikes. I'm just waiting for the right bike haha. PS: Really enjoying the vids, brother, keep it up!
I just read the Alta MX just dropped in price down to $10.5k from $15k so, it's a lot closer in price to a new gas bike now and the maintenance should compensate for some of that difference. Fewer headaches might account for the rest!! www.altamotors.co/redshiftmx#redshift-mx
Thank you for the review,, may i ask how tall you are? (I am 5'3") wondering if it's too tall.... additionally do you think it will climb as good as a small motorcycle like a 50 or 100cc tote goat? really, really want one.
nah, very quiet. I ride this at night in the hobby house yard with no issues. A few neighbors are old and wouldn't stand for it if they could hear it. The noise you hear is because the mic is on me right above the frame.
Easy to wheelie ? Some of the electric bikes have a lil “ motor break “when you release the throttle to find balance point. That can make it a lil hard to keep the front wheel up and do tricks. Can you please let me know about that if you can ? Thanks
I think that frame is to small for me no seat adjustment I'm 6'3 have long legs. Need a 29er frame set up for me. Would buy if they have a XL frame in the works. I'll even give a deposit.
Still haven't heard you mention if the bike has a warranty, I can't even find any warranty at all on Luna website. Servicing the thing also sounds like it's non existent.
The charging plug is likely different because it takes a lot more juice than most of the ebikes on the market. It would probably fry most small chargers. What did Sur Ron say?
Thanks for the review. How is this bike for very, very slow trial style riding, just standing on the foot pegs and moving over tree logs, rocks and stuff? Is the bottom torque enough for that?
If you swap out that front lever/caliper from the budget Shimano hydraulic stock (it's actually a really good brake but too small for that bike up front) for a Magura quad piston and a Shimano icetech 203mm rotor and you'll be much happier on the brakes. Caliper/lever combo front only is about $100 and about $35 for the rotor. Magura also sells ebike specific hydro levers. So it'll cost you more to get the caliper and lever separate but you'll have a nice, clean built in motor cut-out switch instead of those stick-on magnet thingies.
Yeah, I've been surprised at that brake. It's like the lowest level hydro they make and it does better than some "nicer" brakes in the stopping power department. Modulation isn't the best but it works reliably and safely. I have one the front of my Kona trail bike with a 180 rotor. All I had when I did the build but it's been fine so haven't bothered swapping it. One other tip I forgot about. If that is a 2018 caliper you should be able to fit the XT icetech pads if you do run into heat issues. That and a rotor is a cheap but effective upgrade. If you notice an icetech theme with me that is because I'm a bigger lad at 200lbs and that stuff works awesome for me.
Typically in the moto world you make bash plates out of alu... They just didn't spec the correct type or thickness of aluminium or the design wasn't tested thoroughly. Nice review :-)
Its thin, that is for sure. You know, I guess my other bash plates are aluminum too. But 1/4" or thicker. Its simply easier to make one out of steel, as I don't really like to weld aluminum, don't have a tempering oven, and don't want to set up the mill for it.
@@HolmesHobbies If the frame is made from aluminum is it a good idea to have the bash plate made from steel which is harder? Wouldn't you damage the frame instead of the bash plate if you hit it?
Can you have the camera operators do less of the unnecessary panning, and zoom in more on what you’re talking about, and less chopping your head off partially? I was starting to get a little seasick. Having said that, I did enjoy the video, especially the cameo from the creeper. Do you have a patreon account?
It would have meshed a little better but camera B was overexposed and wasn't usable for cutting between pans. my head gets chopped off when the camera gets close to the bike, can't have both tight shots and full face without two cameras shooting proper. Thanks for the feedback. No patreon account, the focus isn't to generate revenue. Just for informational purposes .
Hello John I found your video kinda looking into e bikes . Well and that I think is actually because of meeting you a long time ago . Dose breakfast Mofia bring any memories and rally with laser lights. With a baby e bike I think you made.
wilson is hilarious, i agree with the other viewer, you gotta have him in all your vids. and you do an excellent review and explanation, thanks, but i still cannot trust cheap chinese products yet
I like it for my application in rural Alaska. But I don't understand the charging port issue. Doesn't it come with everything you need to charge it properly?
Good and honest review, but i have one question - when the greed of producers will stop? What does it mean 5, 6, 10 even 12 thousand dollars for a bike? Who can afford it and is it normal a bike to cost as much as 20+ perfectly working second hand cars? This is nasty and disgusting.
Maybe you said it. But. How many hours. Or miles can I ride it. On either mode. Looks cool. I've got 3 Kawasaki now all green. This would be a trip to have
about 30 miles of range full bore on mostly street, depending on terrain and speed. Go 20mph and it would be near 60 miles of range. Full off road use going full bore, 20 to 25 miles of range.
Dude with the gimbal needs to chill... There is way too much camera movement for a stationary object review... He kept making your head go out of frame.
That's a massive effort for the neighbor, you should just get some clear plexi glass for him :) he's seriously under walked. Is it noisy ? On par with his annoying voice. Good review, I looked at these ages ago, I just wasn't happy with the stock power they offer. That Luna 30kw thing is more like it :)
@@HolmesHobbies are the wheels easy enough to take off and refit? To make it easier to manhandle into a large sedan you could take out the battery too etc
Hey quick question... I’m coming off a 450 4-stroke, and looking to buy two as an in-between bike and moto (moab, single track, and around town). You compared it to a 140... am I going to hate this thing? I was hoping you would say it’s more like a 250? I’d be ok with that considering the weight drop :)
@@HolmesHobbies i'm considering this for an off road e bike. If the police caught me riding it on the road I could receive a rather large fine in Brisbane QLD Australia
The Cycle Satiator is what I got. Got it for vibration resistance and small size. It is a slow charger compared to stock, but great for taking with me places.
It's good you mention it ! In fact in the Automotive Industry; a PDI (Pre Delivery Inspection) is standard prerequisite procedure and must be done by a Licensed Technician. All chassis bolts & nuts must be re-torqued to specifications !
Great vid. Neighbor in the background was weird at first but became my favorite part. You should have Wilson cameos as often as possible.
This bike looks amazing.
The guy peeking over the fence is hilarious
Nice. I think you're right about the look. What's key I think is that it looks like a mountain bike. It means you can take it pretty much anywhere and you won't get too much grief from the bobble hats. Bikes that look like dirt bikes are looking for trouble.
O John that that thing at the rally was just so much fun . I couldn't hardly believe it would work with a 235 lb guy like me and held up with everyone trying to ride it . Now I just need to get my CANNONDALE e bike motor working right .
Whats up with the creeper in the bakground,nosey neighbors....mimd ya business
We didn't notice him at first, he thought it was a cool bike. It threw me off though and my southern accent slipped out. I try to keep a lid on it so vids are easier to understand.
I thought the the guy on the fence was just a friendly dude, the kinda guy you'd like next-door, glad i don't live next-door to some of the commenters on here!
he should be In all the vids. he could be the layman
Won't go away either
The best part of the video is the CREEPER LOL!
The guy behind the fence, is that Wilson from home improvement hahaha?
Good review. I have an Oset 24 electric trials bike that I have set up for technical single track trails. It only has 1400 watts motor, but climbing is VERY good. Like, it will do stuff my skills can barely handle. I have ridden enduro bikes and downhill mountain bikes for over 30 years. I would love to see a shootout between the two. On black diamond single track trails, because the Oset only goes about 20 miles per hour. You could gear the Firefly to suit.
The Oset is bomb proof, with a good skid plate. I have beaten on it for a full season with no issues.
Thanks for the input. Always wanted to get an Oset, looks like a really rad bike.
that little scooter gets up and moves pretty good!!!! good clean fun for sure
neighbor was lurkin hard af....
yeah, that rascal
Great job John! Man I gotta get one of these, they look like a blast! Dude in the background had me rolling lol!
crazy ass neighbor...
lunacycle.com/luna-sur-ron-dirt-mx-ebike/
The oscillating float cam made me a little nauseous.
I wonder if he’s ever taken it off any sweet jumps?
Thank you for taking the time to do these videos. They are very much appreciated and very informative. As far as checking set up goes, I worked for Harley Davidson for 20 years and everything that came from Milwaukee needed tightening, trueing, and checking. Can a person you’re a service manual with torque specs? These new electric bikes are definitely a thing of the future. Wonderments !! I Will be looking into them. Look super for camping. Thank you very much again. God bless. Post script; at least the neighbor isn’t bitching at you LOL
I haven't found torque specs, but I assume all the small 4 and 5mm bolts are the standard 5nm that mountain bikes use. It's funny that half the responses are telling me how shitty the vids are, and the other half is telling me that the vids are informative and appreciated. Thanks for being on the appreciative side :)
Again, very good review Holmes very much appreciated. However more test ride please. Thumbs up
More test rides! I won't have much more to say anyway.
good review ...again, thanks. Im in Ireland and seriously considering one of these.
i just bought one for £65
Hope makes 225mm rotors, but you have to fab your own brake mount for the forks. you could also try just using spacers.
These are post mount, so spacers would work.
No WAY!!!! Lemmy is alive!!!!
The neighbor likes the comparison :D
Your neighbor looks like Lemmy from Motorhead. LOL!
Hahahaha.
Excellent review, covered everything i wanted to know (think you could do reviewing for a living), i also emailed luna cycles asking how much would it cost to export to the UK , they replied to say sales would come back to me but still waiting... so im probably going to get the Bultaco brinco instead
thanks! I've been told that a few times now, probably will start doing more reviews. I already have a business that supports me, so the youtube channel is just for fun. Contact qiulongtech through the english sur ron site. They will export to you direct for a better price, or forward you to a more local company.
the fastest way to stop a bike is definitely not through a stoppie, keeping the back wheel on the ground and using both is the fastest way
On a lightweight short wheelbase bike like this, the rear can lift before the front washes out. On pavement, maximum stopping power would occur through just the front unless the rider got off the seat to fight the rear lift. You are absolutely correct in off road riding situations though, where the front will wash out far before the rear lifts. Good point of discussion :)
I did get the front brakes broken in enough to do some stoppies with a little coaxing from my body weight. This ride broke them in the rest of the way czcams.com/video/Puvlwi1ASaA/video.html
On flat horizontal ground, the cosine of the angle made between the combined center of mass, the front contact patch and the horizontal road going to the back determines maximum stopping force without flipping. You can increase that amount by shifting the effective center of mass backwards, down, or adding to it (by adding to it I mean adding the mass of the rear tire and member through unloading the rear suspension either partially or completely). Partially means the rear wheel still has contact with the ground while completely means a gnats rear end between the pavement and rear tire. Any more rear wheel height than that is reducing the stopping force. How much rear suspension unloading is optimal depends on the suspension travel, rider weight, etc. ...
How about chop the back of the saddle off so you can slide off the back and drop your weight down and back then apply front brake until the back wheel barely lifts off the ground? The bike would need a rear fender, and you'd need some armored pants, but doable. ; )
Fastest way to stop a bike is to slam into a wall... Use this technique at your own risk
Always remember that the angle of the dangle is always inversely proportional to the heat of the beat.
That thing really shifts some! Nice review buddy
Thank you sir!
Freakin love this thing second day out just got home with a flat
good videos ,sump guard bash plates skid plates are mostly aluminium on trials and enduro bike or plastic
This one is simply too thin then. like 20ga sheet metal.
they are 4 to 6mm
I want to know the maximum speed, hours , or mileage , and how long to fully charge 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
albusai you can google it, what’s the problem?
@@Oksig i think its reasonable to ask on a review
3 hours to charge, then ride for 45 min, go 24 miles then done. Very disappointed in the Range of my Sur-Ron. Anything past 12 miles from my house is unreachable.
Excellent commentary and input. Thank you.
The bike looks like a real nice mountain bike.Definitely want one it's deceiving peaple wouldn't know your on motorcycle love want one.Also with the prices of the mountain bike's these days i would go with one of these.
Whats up with that neighbor? Reminds me of Earl on Tool time w/ Tim Allen. That thing rips pretty good I'm impressed. Slap on a set of Zokes and clear that rock pile ;-) Let see those 12' O'clock scrapers ;-)
I dunno man, the neighbor is a little crazy.
Not Earl.....it’s Wilson, from home improvement
yep your right, it was Wilson ;-)
That seat in the background looks comfy enough! Fuckin arm chair on wheels! Good info.
You never know if the bikes been made on a Friday lol. I wouldn't like to get one that's been made on a Monday morning either
Haha, I noticed how your "Missourah" accent slipped out when talking to your neighbor. Lol.
No big deal, here in New England everyone talks "wicked pissah". Lol. You do a damned good job of covering it up. Excellent video bud, very professional. Keep it up!
Kilroy was there. Cool review.
does it have regenerative brakes?
Not at this time. Totally possible with a different controller, but it will wear the first stage belt reduction faster. It normally doesn't add a ton of runtime to use regen brakes, and I would rather wear out brakes than the drive belt.
@@HolmesHobbies What about now? Any big improvements or upgrades?
Def considering picking one of these up. I grew up riding Dirt bikes so this is pretty appealing. The price is right on for entry into electric bikes as well. Considering the Stealth H-52 will set you back 10k. I do want to see what you come up with as far as the skid plate. I ride at my family ranch in the West Texas hill country. We’ve got pebbles, boulders and everything in between out there. So yea the stock plate def won’t keep it protected.
It is an entry level bike in many ways, such as the suspension and brakes. Nothing new for entry level bikes. But the motor and controller and battery are good quality. With a stronger controller (and BMS mod) this bike can become a beast. The motor and battery can handle twice the stock power without overheating. It would beat on the batteries harder and reduce the life a few years, but that's the cost of power. Like replacing a race jug more often than a stock one because it puts out more power.
HolmesHobbies Nice. Yea I’m strongly considering picking one up. Have you had a chance to get hands on with the Kuberg FreeRider? I’ve also been checking that one out. I’m trying to see if the slightly higher price tag is worth it. Thanks for the great feedback man. Earned yourself a subscriber.
I haven't ridden a kuberg, but the ugly looks totally turns me off.
Thanks for the second review! Very informative and a great video. I have been thinking of getting one of these and this last video of yours did it for me. I'm getting one. It seems I won't be disappointed.
What's the range looking like? Other reviewers get close to 40 driving it the way you did in the video. Is that about what you get?
Can the battery be upgraded for longer range and power? I'm not very informed about this subject so any help would be appreciated.
It appears this is the largest battery the frame will fit. 40 miles range seems a good all around estimate.
That is an awesome bike loving that green color to
I didn't like it at first. Its growing on me! Maybe a little black vinyl wrap would help set it off a little better.
Yeah man, thanks for the reviews. I’ve had mine about as long as you and keep checking for content. So far you’ve got the best reviews and info hands down. So on my bike I put some dh pedals in the back slot and along with some Sherco trials bars the peg to grip distance is identical to my other primary bike (gasgas gp). I also swapped out the front forks and wheel with some manitou Dorado experts (27.5") and a 24x3" duro wildlife tire). I had the same issue with the front brake so swapped it with an avid I had (needed to use the stock hose since it's in the right so the avid cable was short). What else... Upgrade the light to some badass Chinese LEDs and swapped out the already nice throttle with a beta throttle body. I think that's about it besides the bar ends and whatever headclamp came with the forks. I'm thinking about going up a few teeth in the back since it's a bit too fast for the trails here. I happen to have a vec300 controller unused I should also on but not ready to tear into it yet. Would like to hear more about your charger, I fried and replaced the 2 thermistors on the AC side yesterday (maybe get a voltage step up and use one of the 52v power supplies I and powering my icharger with)... Anyhow, thanks for the review. Subscribed!!
Thanks for the feedback and comments on your bike setup! I'm concerned that mine might have a damaged battery at this point. As noted in the first vid, it had the battery totally dead when received. I didn't consider it important until reading the manual, (that I had to get from Sur Ron), but the air switch was on when it arrived. Have you tested range in EP mode yet?
I haven't tested the range but it's really good as far as I can tell so far.... i've never really had it below 50%. when I got it, I think it was around 70% but with the "air switch" on as well. I have off and on results with feedback/LunaCycle but if you can get with Seb (lead CS technician who i've reached via sales@). What's happening with your battery? Mine seems to be great, lasts really long, not really any noticeable sag although i've not taken it lower than 40something percent. Did you see the range test review where the ozzie guy takes it to 0% then keeps going around the block a few times?
Can you put 26" wheels and tires on bike without clearance issues? Bike seems to sit low for people over 6 feet.
I dont think a 26 would fit on the rear but maybe. I put stock sherco bars that have a good bit of rise on it, as well as manitou forks that are for 27.5" rubber (with a 24x3) as well as pedals on the rear most insert and the peg/grip distance is identical to my gasgas gp. I'm 6' and it feels really good, maybe a little small but in a good way. IMO if you are even considering this bike, buy it. Its not perfect but for the price its an insane deal.
stonezone, did you buy from Luna or Sur Ron themselves? Thanks for the info very appreciated.
In my state a moped must have pedals and be below 50cc. No drivers license is needed. Jon from Idaho USA
Thanks for posting this, looks like a lot of fun! How is it on jumps, have you tried any? Also does it wheelie?
it looks great, no one in the UK seems to be importing them at the moment.
using lithium titanate cells with high current 5 minute charging would mean only a 5 minute stop to charge and could do long journeys with small capacity 10ah battery and 20,000 cycles
Maybe we will see more options like that soon :) Having a standardized battery size will make it more likely.
thats a really fun looking bike, thanks for sharing.
It is fun!
Thanks for publishing this follow up video. I was wondering why you wanted to use another charger besides the stock one that the bike came with. Is the stock charger no good?
Stock charger is fine, but large and not good for keeping on the bike due to vibration damage. I like to have two chargers, one at home and one at work. Ebikes.ca also makes a charger that is fully potted and can handle vibration, being mounted directly to the bike is a possibility with it. But for now, we just keep the charger at home.
HolmesHobbies ok thanks for the reply
@@HolmesHobbies a few questions on charging the battery. Can the battery be taken out of the bike and charged separately? If I was to purchase a spare battery for drop in on the go extra riding time is that chargeable separatedly too etc? For longer battery life cycles is it better to use a lower amperage charger even though they are slower to charge the battery. I've heard the new faster higher amperage chargers will reduce battery life cycles etc
your neighbor looking over the fence. LOL!!!!!
GREAT review - super helpful ! Q:'s for you (or others on here) 1. Advantage of e-bike is usually silence, this seems a bit noisy - where does the noise come from ?? straight cut internal gears ?? or ? 2. How does it compare to Bultaco Brinco (rear motor, similar ££ here in EU/UK) .. I'm guessing better from most reviews - but good to see back to back. -- keep up the good stuff :-)
The noise is coming from the motor, due to the motor controller switching frequency and shape. At a distance it can't be heard very much, but there are controllers that would knock the noise off completely. This bike will handle much better than any hubmotor bike.
Don´t you think putting an aftermarket motor-controller to this bike would cancel the engine noise? From what I know, controller has significant role in this :)
Absolutely. A FOC or sine wave controller will cut that noise right out. The current production bikes have a sine controller, because I got a green one it was a "first run" and had the older controller. A bit peeved about getting one that didn't match the specs on the site, but I'm going to try and get an updated one.
I'm a 2 stroke Moto X guy but really want to get into electric dirt bikes. I'm just waiting for the right bike haha. PS: Really enjoying the vids, brother, keep it up!
Thanks! Will do. Just got back from a vacation and having this bike saved my ass when the van broke down.
I just read the Alta MX just dropped in price down to $10.5k from $15k so, it's a lot closer in price to a new gas bike now and the maintenance should compensate for some of that difference. Fewer headaches might account for the rest!! www.altamotors.co/redshiftmx#redshift-mx
Thank you for the review,, may i ask how tall you are? (I am 5'3") wondering if it's too tall.... additionally do you think it will climb as good as a small motorcycle like a 50 or 100cc tote goat? really, really want one.
I am 5'9". You could probably ride it no sweat. It climbs better than my 140cc bike with a 58t rear sprocket.
Great vid! One question, do you think the bike is loud? I mean too loud to use in an urban area?
nah, very quiet. I ride this at night in the hobby house yard with no issues. A few neighbors are old and wouldn't stand for it if they could hear it. The noise you hear is because the mic is on me right above the frame.
im glad they didnt edit out the fence guy.the video is more 'natural' and more entertaining
Easy to wheelie ? Some of the electric bikes have a lil “ motor break “when you release the throttle to find balance point. That can make it a lil hard to keep the front wheel up and do tricks.
Can you please let me know about that if you can ? Thanks
Looks like a pretty sweet bike, how much does it weigh?
Thank you for your knowledge and professional experience
I think that frame is to small for me no seat adjustment I'm 6'3 have long legs. Need a 29er frame set up for me. Would buy if they have a XL frame in the works. I'll even give a deposit.
Maybe they will. I would agree this might be too small for you.
Neighbor popping his head over. That's folk man. Bet you wouldn't want to f up in that hood. You make good videos, sound quality.
Thanks for the props :) We have been working on keeping the video and audio quality high.
Still haven't heard you mention if the bike has a warranty, I can't even find any warranty at all on Luna website. Servicing the thing also sounds like it's non existent.
It's supposed to have a warranty, but Luna is still figuring things out I suppose... Parts support will happen with or without Luna.
The charging plug is likely different because it takes a lot more juice than most of the ebikes on the market. It would probably fry most small chargers. What did Sur Ron say?
Thanks for the review! I'm learning more and more! Would really like to know what kind of range this (thing) would have? Great job!
I get a comfy 30 miles on the street. Could push 35 pretty easily.
Dude in the background! lol 😂
I have been watching tell 10:22. Had to go back and watch over LOL. Damn good video, my friend.
and I just subscribed and put on that bell man that peeping neighbors has me dying
Very good video! I’m very interested in this eBike, it seems really torquey! I may have to start saving up!
Your voice sounds exactly like a cooler version of CBS`s John Dickerson.
non regional diction unlocked!!
These look awesome but idk if here theyd need to be registered as a vehicle rather than bike.
Awesome review. Thanks.
Thanks for the support :D
Like the disc basket !!!
Thanks for the review. How is this bike for very, very slow trial style riding, just standing on the foot pegs and moving over tree logs, rocks and stuff? Is the bottom torque enough for that?
It is great for slow and technical riding. Plenty of grunt!
If you swap out that front lever/caliper from the budget Shimano hydraulic stock (it's actually a really good brake but too small for that bike up front) for a Magura quad piston and a Shimano icetech 203mm rotor and you'll be much happier on the brakes. Caliper/lever combo front only is about $100 and about $35 for the rotor. Magura also sells ebike specific hydro levers. So it'll cost you more to get the caliper and lever separate but you'll have a nice, clean built in motor cut-out switch instead of those stick-on magnet thingies.
The brakes actually haven't been too bad once they broke in. I haven't managed to heat fade them with normal riding.
Yeah, I've been surprised at that brake. It's like the lowest level hydro they make and it does better than some "nicer" brakes in the stopping power department. Modulation isn't the best but it works reliably and safely. I have one the front of my Kona trail bike with a 180 rotor. All I had when I did the build but it's been fine so haven't bothered swapping it. One other tip I forgot about. If that is a 2018 caliper you should be able to fit the XT icetech pads if you do run into heat issues. That and a rotor is a cheap but effective upgrade. If you notice an icetech theme with me that is because I'm a bigger lad at 200lbs and that stuff works awesome for me.
Great feedback, much appreciated.
Do you think we could make a larger battery to extend the range?
Typically in the moto world you make bash plates out of alu... They just didn't spec the correct type or thickness of aluminium or the design wasn't tested thoroughly. Nice review :-)
Its thin, that is for sure. You know, I guess my other bash plates are aluminum too. But 1/4" or thicker. Its simply easier to make one out of steel, as I don't really like to weld aluminum, don't have a tempering oven, and don't want to set up the mill for it.
@@HolmesHobbies If the frame is made from aluminum is it a good idea to have the bash plate made from steel which is harder? Wouldn't you damage the frame instead of the bash plate if you hit it?
has the wheels held up no cracking ect no problems.
good review... price?
Can you have the camera operators do less of the unnecessary panning, and zoom in more on what you’re talking about, and less chopping your head off partially? I was starting to get a little seasick. Having said that, I did enjoy the video, especially the cameo from the creeper. Do you have a patreon account?
It would have meshed a little better but camera B was overexposed and wasn't usable for cutting between pans. my head gets chopped off when the camera gets close to the bike, can't have both tight shots and full face without two cameras shooting proper. Thanks for the feedback. No patreon account, the focus isn't to generate revenue. Just for informational purposes .
HolmesHobbies thx! Makes sense. I think you need to interview your creeper neighbor sometime..he seems like he might be interesting ;)
Don't try to defend bad work of a camera man amateur :)
I really like this .. Where can i buy one please..Can you provide Model # or Link....Thank You..
Hello John I found your video kinda looking into e bikes . Well and that I think is actually because of meeting you a long time ago . Dose breakfast Mofia bring any memories and rally with laser lights. With a baby e bike I think you made.
Oh yeah, sure do remember! The first mini bike got hacked apart, but there is version two shown in this vid.
Not sure if you mentioned this earlier, but what sort of range can you get from the batteries on a full recharge?
How long does a full charge last at normal riding? Fast and slow riding.
Seems alright... would like to put Street Tires on it and test it on the street
dunno..did i miss it? what kinda of milage or runtime does it have? if i bought it for commute to work and some playtime
about 40 miles range going 30mph on the street . Could probably get better if I swap out the tires, but I'm building a second set of wheels for that.
Can u tell me what the standover height is? (Sorry if I missed this?)
about 32" before compression
wilson is hilarious, i agree with the other viewer, you gotta have him in all your vids.
and you do an excellent review and explanation, thanks, but i still cannot trust cheap chinese products yet
I"m 6'5 , 225 pounds, would this bike work for me ? How tall and heavy are you guys ?
Thanks ,
J...
I like it for my application in rural Alaska. But I don't understand the charging port issue. Doesn't it come with everything you need to charge it properly?
Faith & Action you may have issues with battery life in the cold. Chemical reactions don’t work well.
+Mr. Jay M It's not bad in summer.
No issue with the charger port, I just like to have multiple chargers for home and work, etc.. It comes ready to go.
Max from Printer Cult -- Nice Hat!!
Its so cool people flip out when they see me wearing it.
Good and honest review, but i have one question - when the greed of producers will stop? What does it mean 5, 6, 10 even 12 thousand dollars for a bike? Who can afford it and is it normal a bike to cost as much as 20+ perfectly working second hand cars? This is nasty and disgusting.
same goes for new vehicles these days. a lot of $100k vehicles out there
How long dose it take to charge and how long can it run for ?
How does it jump! Maybe a BMX track or motorcycle track!
Maybe you said it. But. How many hours. Or miles can I ride it. On either mode. Looks cool. I've got 3 Kawasaki now all green. This would be a trip to have
about 30 miles of range full bore on mostly street, depending on terrain and speed. Go 20mph and it would be near 60 miles of range. Full off road use going full bore, 20 to 25 miles of range.
Dude with the gimbal needs to chill... There is way too much camera movement for a stationary object review... He kept making your head go out of frame.
We had a camera B that was going to stitch out the movements, but it was overexposed and we couldn't use it. We will know to check that next time.
I'm 6'4" around 200lbs. Am I going to be too tall for this bike? Any way to adjust suspension or seat height?
Might be a bit tight. I would suggest riser bars for sure. Seat and ride height is not adjustable. suspension preload is.
That's a massive effort for the neighbor, you should just get some clear plexi glass for him :) he's seriously under walked. Is it noisy ? On par with his annoying voice. Good review, I looked at these ages ago, I just wasn't happy with the stock power they offer. That Luna 30kw thing is more like it :)
Put a steel bash plate on it, there will be no give, and you will crack the frame at it's mounting.
Is the total overhead of your business camera's and tripod's? Just asking.
Far from it. Most of the equipment is my camera man's. My overhead is the employees, manufacturing equipment, and shop.
Hi, I have a about a 10 mile work commute and was wondering if you thought it would be a good option
cool bike!
How do you transport it to the trails? Does it fit in your trunk? If so, which car
I have a dry storage van. It would not fit into a trunk without taking the wheels off.
@@HolmesHobbies are the wheels easy enough to take off and refit? To make it easier to manhandle into a large sedan you could take out the battery too etc
Hey quick question... I’m coming off a 450 4-stroke, and looking to buy two as an in-between bike and moto (moab, single track, and around town). You compared it to a 140... am I going to hate this thing? I was hoping you would say it’s more like a 250? I’d be ok with that considering the weight drop :)
And thanks for the vids... not a whole lot of info out there to go off of for a purchase like this!
The bike is 110lbs or so, very nimble weight. If you like 250 power this will feel anemic. Does the job well for an around town bike though.
@@HolmesHobbies i'm considering this for an off road e bike. If the police caught me riding it on the road I could receive a rather large fine in Brisbane QLD Australia
How many minutes or miles will it run from full charge to low.
It is loud. Gear noise?
Why did you want to change are use after market charger? Can you tell what kind of charger you bought.
The Cycle Satiator is what I got. Got it for vibration resistance and small size. It is a slow charger compared to stock, but great for taking with me places.