The Tale Of Three North American Superpowers
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what if there was a slave revolt during the us civil war?
@@cbtenthusiast7133 only like 2% of americans owned slaves
@@FREEHYWARE i already knew but what does that have to do with my question?
@@cbtenthusiast7133 it would be very small if it succeded and it would be a small chance of it happening
Honestly, i would very much like a pt. 2 of this. The fact that it is entirely fictional means you dont lose much time on trying to establish what would be "grounded" and can focus more on telling an interesting and still somewhat plausible story without having to justify yourself all the time.
Also, props for always coming up with unique videos instead of rigidly sticking to the same 1 or 2 formats like so many do. Things like this or the Pokemon Conquest video, which both deviate from "standard" content, are always a joy to watch ^^
yes
we need pt2
I was really getting into the scenario and then the video ended🗿pt2 please
I would love a part 2
PLEASE make a part two!!
Scenario: What would happen if we touched grass? 😱
Another unrealistic scenario?
Dont be ridiculous that's impossible
That we do daily.But for you it might be a Fictional Scenerio.
I love impossible and unrealistic scenarios, this one is the best
That’s about as realistic as drinking water
I don’t think that Mexico would join the Central Powers, considering the Main Reason for Mexico even being offered the idea was that it was to regain it’s old land, but in this case if Mexico and Britain have good ties, I could see the Mexican Empire join WW1 similar to the French in the Crimean War, to show off Mexico’s Army and it’s prestige.
And then likely enter a period of isolation due to how bloody the war was similar to the United States did after WW1.
Maybe, but when PosHis said at the end where the Federation now has footholds in mainland Latin America could lead to the Mexican Empire not wanting to take sides since they now see the Federation as a rival nation instead of a partner in arms.
@@isitalwaysero1367 its also possible that with the US holding fellow latin nations hostage, mexico with the help of Canadian investors may push for industry like the soviet to capture Cuba as without it they are exposed. Moreover, they may appeal to the bolivaran dream of a greater unified latin America although it may come to conflict with the emporership it just depends how latindom may respond to the calls of German like unification
@@isitalwaysero1367 Mexico could play it off like Italy, lets say the United States catches the Federation Off Guard due to Preparing for War for either Mexico or The Federation, the Federation could offer Mexico some territory it wants like Belize, in exchange Mexico Joins the War.
PosHis makes a good point, where Mexico is a limited Industrial Country, under the Iturabide Dynasty, I could see Mexico industrializing after the War either defeated or victorious, Mexico is essentially the Russia of The Americas, a largely Agrarian Economic Empire.
In any case, The Federation has to contend with balancing Mexican Relations in order to keep the delicate balance of the 3 Super Powers in America in check.
@Kingdom of Prussia that balancing act is especially true bc unlike Russia mexico isn't traped as it has plenty of warm water ports and control over the Mississippi water shed. Not mention potential allies and annexations in other latin American countries the Caribbean of which it might deem as naturally thiers and a Mexican alternate form of the Monroe doctrine which may actually have more substance and effectiveness than it did in real life considering similar cultural backgrounds
@@rogeliovaldez6594 A mexican monroe doctrine sounds awesome
Canada and apologizing to the natives? This is truly alt history
doesnt like literally every canadian speech start with "oh yeah we are talking on the land of [native tribe]"
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@@cosmosyn2514 it does. I have no clue what sort of Canada Elmo knows... On the national level, Aboriginal rights are highly protected and taken into account in Canada. If there's any sort of discrimination towards them in Canada, it always comes on a personal level, from certain individuals. Never the government.
@@oyoo3323As of like 30 years ago. Last residential school closed is 96.
@@cosmosyn2514 its true, Canadian schools have a full land acknowledgement before the national anthem
Reminder that we live in an alternate reality where the two guns meant to assassinate Andrew Jackson somehow misfired
Dear God…
The matrix is real
I for one would love a part 2 of this
I agree
isnt this already part 2? i swear this reminds me of the what if the usa lost the war of 1812 vid, but im not sure cuz i dont remember spain being involved
Same
@@notlucas6859 The USA’s war aims were the conquest of Canada, letting America trade with whoever it wants and stopping the impressment of American sailors into the Royal Navy. While at first glance they accomplished 2/3 objectives, when those objectives ceased being a factor halfway through the war with the fall of napoleonic France. Whereas the British objectives were keep Canada and prevent an alliance between America and Napoleonic France, I would say that of the objectives that remained relevant at the end, Britain met them and America didn’t resulting in technical US defeat.
I feel that the absence of the Mexican-American war is a huge oversight. The US would be out for blood against both the British and Mexicans while simultaneously being much more expansionistic due to the larger influence of slave owners. The agrarian and totalitarian Mexicans empire would also piss off the northern Tejas families who would still be economically dependent on the US just due to geography. We probably wouldn't see a two ocean USA but I can definitely see the US annexing Texas still and the western side of the Mississippi River to expand plantations.
In this universe Mexico is more friendly to Europeans, seeing as Mexico opened itself up to Europeans. I see Mexico as a more extreme of the Southern US with the creole elite of Mexico wanting to court the Europeans, which happened in our own timeline as well, and thus more identifying with a more "white" identity. I admit I know less about the US compared to Mexico at this time, but I think the Tejas families wouldn't have it that bad.
@@Zhijia494 the main problem wasn't racism, Mexicans and American immigrants got along pretty well in the north. It was the fact that northern Mexico was so far away from Mexico city and the souhtern valley that the central government had little control. Leading the north to be more self sufficient. Any time Mexico did try and assert dominance there was always rebellions. Mind you, when the Republic of Texas rebelled it was doing it along with the Republic of the Rio Gande and a few bands of rebel fighters in Chihuahua. It was a whole thing of the Mexican authorities overreaching their ability to project power.
@@cheeseninja1115 Interesting, but in this timeline Mexico being a more totalitarian state and an Empire, probably with an much better bureaucracy as I do not think the civil wars between the Liberals and the Landowners would have happened in this timeline (the Liberals wouldn't come to power and be appeased by the limited constitution and the rights of the landowners would be protected through it being an empire). Causing a stronger Mexico and a stronger bureaucracy, allow them to project power much further. Of course this is pure speculation.
@@cheeseninja1115 I also see a sort of 'concert of nations' like in Europe occurring. There being three roughly equal powers results in less wars like in Europe. If America attack Mexico, Canada intervenes. If Mexico attacks Canada, America intervenes. And all other permutations of that. None can grow in power as all want to keep the status quo.
@Floris Nagel even with that, the US had a greater population then the rest of North America combined and It had the Mississippi basin and agricultural base.
The way you're always original makes you the most peculiar and interesting what if channel
Agustín de Iturbide wasn't a rebel general, he was the guy in charge of squashing the rebels, and he wasn't able to, so when the church status was challenged by the Cadiz constitution, he allied with Vicente Guerrero, THE rebel general, and marched over México
Didn’t he switch sides because both sides were exhausted, with the empire being a compromise? On the other side, he has been nearly satanised for being relatively conservative, even though he didn’t even actually appease the conservatives, and at least some people actually liked him
I would love a part two for this video! Seeing how the great war changes with the addition of Mexico, a weaker USA, and a stronger Canada sounds so fun!
Canada will always be weak we could hold the entire continent and still ruin it
Canada has a weaker form of Government. It would’ve never worked. Hence why the US became the premier Super Power. Not just in this region. But the entire World.
This was so refreshing to see! My one big gripe with CZcams alternate history (versus something like alt hist forums) is that CZcamsrs are often much more interested in telling “objective” alternate history than they are in telling a story. Nothing wrong with the former of course, but it’s fun to see someone on here let loose and delve into a proper story rather than a simple what if
The Canadian one theoretically could work however Mexico was politically to unstable and lacked the political infrastructure to ever control more than what it has now. An independent Louisiana would be a different story. However a lot would have to change.
Agustín de Iturbide was the strong figure in Mexico
maybe, maybe not. they were politically unstable, but i'd see a revolution happening, or an actually decent leader getting into power and making it at least a constitutional monarchy
As an American, I despise the state of the USA in this alternate history.
That being said, please make a part 2. I would love to see how WW1 would play out with major fighting on both Europe and North America.
I would bet on The USA joining the central powers, whether due to a higher percentage of German Americans in this timeline, or because America and Germany allying is very convenient.
While Mexico and Canada both fight on the side of the Entente to get rid of the Americans, as they both hate America more than they hate each other.
In this timeline I could also see America turn to more radical political ideas, fueled by hatred toward both Mexico and Canada for what they took from the US. Perhaps a much more politically involved military, adapting the constitution to replace the executive branch with the Military or something like that.
Germany could use the USA to fight Canada to prevent it from supplying nearly as much to the Brits. In this timeline I presume Canada would take on a role similar to the USA in our timeline, selling and providing huge amounts of military aid to the Entente.
I really don't see a reason for Mexico joining the Central powers, I would expect them to either join Canada to get rid of the USA or abstain completely in order to focus on internal affairs. Mexico would be fairly self-sufficient in almost every regard in this timeline.
Mexico may seize the opportunity to take Cuba. they attempted it with American help in real life but failed. But in this case its the perfect Cassus Beli to protect and possibly incorporate latin people, perhaps leaning on germany and italy as inspirations
"Perhaps a much more politically involved military, adapting the constitution to replace the executive branch with the Military or something like that."
I can see that being much more like the Protectorate of the mid 17.c, like England had... AND... we learnt our lesson... thank god. A Lord Protector is what you would get. You'd probably deify Oliver Cromwell as the archetype of a strong Lord Protector... and his son... Richard Cromwell, (Queen Dick or Tumble Down Dick, as he was known after his deposition by the New Model Army... AND... the subsequent abolishment of the Office, 'Lord Protector', sliding back into the Council Governance that preceded the Protectorate's establishment in 1653, following the abolishment of our Crown, Priv-Council and House of Lords in the wake of the trial and execution of Charles I in 1649... with similar catastrophic consequences both times you attempt it),... as the archetype of a weak Lord Protector.
How much money can we donate to this part 2?
Even this bigger Canada wouldn't have the population & industry the USA had in our time.
So even if they could supply the Brits or outright join the war, it wouldn't be as much of a game changer as the US joining the war was in our world.
This was fun! I would like more videos like this in the future.
Please make a part II. Amazing video!
What if the USA was partially neutral during ww1 (still supplying entente but not committing to the war)
NGL, that feels weird, not helping Britain more directly.
US forces only really arrived in Europe a couple months before the wars' end, though the US declaration of war did urge the Germans to execute the spring offensive early.
Likely the war would be prolonged to early 1919, so by a few months. The Turks were doomed to lose to the British from 1916; likewise the British were closing in on the Bulgarians through the Balkans from 1917. The Austro-hungarians meanwhile simply expended too much fighting the Russians that when 1917-18 came, even when they had effectively won the fight on the Eastern Front, they were hard pressed in fighting the Italians.
After those lads collapsed, it would only be a matter of time that Germany would fall too - as it did.
i need MORE !!! PART TWO PLEASE !!! I WAS SO IMMERSED AND WAS SO READY FOR THAT WAR
This was fun. Good job!
Here is a fun video idea how about asking your subscribers to give you fan-made countries
and their history and where they are but give them different time periods like the Bronze Age
the classical age and Medieval Times I think that would be a fun video😊
and they could be multiple videos on each time period
Why does this scenario remind me of the movie: the good the bad and the ugly
This was very fun to watch as a Canadian. Much love to our friends in Mexico. 🇨🇦🤝🇲🇽
Gracias!
Meanwhile the USA:🖕
Gracias! 🇲🇽♥️🇨🇦
The flags in that time line are cool
Hello from the other siiiiide~ (of the Atlantic(hello from france)) 👋🇫🇷
This was a great scenario! id love more of these in the future
(also, canada being the NA superpower is making me feel pretty patriotic rn lmao)
It was a great video, but considering I'm under Canada now I don't know how to feel.
@@commandercody1210i feel the same although as a Midwestern I prob wouldn't be here at all. My current home would be on native owned land in the alternate time line.
You say as Canada is canonically still part of Britain in the video. They never even seceded lol some super power staying subordinate to another part of an Empire/Nation, wouldnt this make Britain the 3rd super power? Maybe he doesn't get that Canada wasn't independent until 1983 & should've just had that happen earlier. (Hell, id bet not wven you know that & if you do i bet you're in denial over it lol. Happy 30th Anniversary Canada!)
Ita just odd that he keeps Canada as the status they had IRL when theyre a "super power" supposedly the strongest even lol. Britain had to approve all Canadian law until 1983 FFS.
Welp canadas bad at everything long term so it wouldnt work out well for us
@@shonenjumpmagneto Britain only rubber stamped Canadian law. If Britain tried to dictate Canadian law to any significant degree after ww2, it would have simply have resulted in a Canadian Republic being formed. Canada being under British rule was in name only. I suspect in this alternate timeline in would have been a similar situation. Just would have most likely accelerated the timeline of events in such a way that the Westminister Act of 1931 and the Canada Act of 1982 would have occurred at much earlier dates.
Even tho this was supposed to be fictional this is still a really realistic looking world, this could be any "realistic" alternate history and it'd work because its pretty realistic already
This has been my absolute favorite scenario so far. I always thought that it was weird that an entire continent lacked the standard patchwork of competing nations that Europe, Asia and South America had at this time.
Love it, part 2 coming??
pls continue this it was amazing
What if the Ming Dynasty continued Zheng He's Maritime policies and weren't isolationist?
Great video! I hope you make a continuation with the XXth century of this timeline
That was great! More please :)
Part 2 of this would be great
I have seen few videos of you and I liked this one. My compliments.
you should do a part two of this, this was actually really nice
I loved it. I wish there was a part two.
THATS SO FRICHING INTRESTING DO MORE
This was a really good scenario. Please make part 2
We need a part 2 of this
We NEED a part 2
I really want to see a part two on World War I in this scenario. You really got me hooked.
Would love to see a part 2 for this
17k views in 7 hours. This is incredible for such a niche channel. Going on no matter what!
I need part 2 of this.
I would love a part 2!
Would love to see a part 2
I need a part 2 to this please my god 😩
In my opinion, this is your best video by far
This was awesome
It is actually very good keep it up
I really want to see another video like this please 🙏
PLEASE, do more contenta like this, is incredible
Personally I’d prefer more “stories” like this where you don’t need to worry about how realistic something is, and you’re focusing on what would be entertaining. I’d wanna suggest a scenario, where would you be able to do that?
THAT WAS SO COOL!
I'm getting the feeling that not many Europeans would choose this supposed Empire of Mexico as their destination for immigration. They'd still go to the US or Canada.
why?
Well, in the real life many Europeans go to Mexico, not today but in the XX century yes
México didn't actually start to encourage immigration until the early XX Century. And US settlers asked to be allowed to migrate to the Texas, they were arriving in such large numbers that México had to put restrictions. Religion was also a factor back then, US settlers were supposed to convert to Catholicism in exchange for being allowed, and USA itself was anti-Catholic back then. So European Catholics would have preferred to migrate to México.
Adding to the Timeline adjustments to make this scenario possible was the complete removal of France from North American & Caribbean affairs.
With more strained Anglo-American relations, pragmatism would dictate a stronger Franco-American relations - and maybe increased Republicanism as a counter to British Parliamentary Monarchy (alternate possible evolution keeping with the foundations laid in this very interesting scenario).
Additional point: On might also wonder on the erosion of Mexican control over the Northern Territories as Europeans become the main population group of these areas - and the subsequent socio-political changes which would emerge and complicate the North American Balance of Power.
One of my favourite PH videos.
Please continue this story
Can you do one on what if Latin America was actually “Latin” America😏
What if the Roman’s got blown off course and landed in South America.
I *need* a part 2 of this
I hope he makes a part two of this it was sick
Part two please!
This is the best video I’ve ever seen
This is very intresting
Once again requesting a part 2. Also on a side note it would be nice to hear approximate gdp and pop numbers. Even if they're not grounded.
I love this video for my Mexico
A cool scenario would be an alternate version of the “Soviets winning the Cold War” where “THE COLD WAR ‘NEVER’ ENDS”. Basically that timeline just without the US and western powers getting terrible luck. But the Cold War, space race, etc all continue into the future.
Can you pls do more of these pls
What if you would do the series about Your alternate history of world. From bronze Age to modern Age.
Feel like this would be a great HOI4 scenario to play
This is a fascinating video. With where the border is drawn, very curious if Philadelphia was included in New England as the city would likely be federalist, but the border is difficult to tell as drawn.
We need a sequel to this
Pls continue this
MAKE PART 2!!
I NEED PART 2
I need a part 2
Long live the Imperial federation.
Love your non serious videos!
Liberal bastion of the world!!!
8:50 and this be our motto
Very nice
please part 2
This would be such a cool mod for a game like HOI4, good job as always bro
Very nice.
I find it hard to believe that Mexico would be able to hold itself together for very long in this scenario. Too many factors like geography, a desire for democracy, and the lack of industrialization from the alternate history would eventually lead to it's collapse: I'd imagine Texas would likely get support from the usa and take most of the Louisiana territory with it after it's war for independence and it could either join the usa, doubling the size of the usa and formally giving it the Louisiana territory, or remain it's own nation and replace Mexico as a new Super Power; and the irl Southwest Region (California to New Mexico) would likely gain it's own independence too at some point if the Mexican Empire can't hold it's possible weak control on those lands. New California (Grande Pacifica?) would be a very liberal nation similar to Canada, while New Texas would likely have similar politics to irl Texas.
Mexico maintaining an estable regime, and Mexico keeping control of Texas are too different things. The second one is do-able without the need of an Empire, or large European immigration, or Mexico positioning itself as a valuable ally to the British. You just have to get Santa Anna out of the equation. Santa Anna changed the system to a Centralist regime which mean that laws like converting to Catholicism, Abolition of Slavery, restriction on migration from USA would enforced directly by the Central goverment without any possibility of getting The governor to negotiate on their behalf or look the other way. The rebellion was very likely to have happened eventually but it would have been stalled had Mexico not gone Centralist. Santa Anna also chose to go to Texas in person and took a nap in rebel territory without taking the proper precautions which led to his capture. An Emperor or President would have delegated the responsability to someone else. So even if the military leader in charge of the campaign made the exact same mistakes as Santa Anna, he wouldn't be able to offer much if captured. Santa Anna also promised the US he would convince the Mexican goverment to sell the territories they wanted if he was allowed to return to Mexico. Once in Mexico he seized power and backed down on his offer to sell those territories. In one of the first battles of the US-Mexico War Mexico lost the battle because Santa Anna refused to support a political rival.
@@kioskooperativo7266 Going off the alt history in the video, I don't think Santa Ana is really all that needed for Texas to happen. Like you said, the rebellion could likely still happen, it just happens later, and it'd be to the expansion of slavery from the American immigrants. IRL the USA supported the Texas rebellion by supplying them with weapons and supplies, however in this alt history I think the USA would be much more supportive with motive that the USA could potentially get the Louisiana territory in exchange for aiding the Texans. Mexico in this alt history it stated to be less industrialized and more agricultural in order to help suppress rebellion, however a foreign-born rebellion might counter this ideal. A much heavier supported and more militarized Texas army might be able to fight off the Mexican army, but I think an argument can even be made to say that the USA could potentially join the war itself in support of the Texas rebels: The idea that Americans are emigrating to Mexico with slaves in this alt history implies that there is still the idea of manifest destiny in the heads of the Americans, and the denial of The Louisiana purchase could possibly embolden this alt USA to take more drastic actions in expanding its borders. The Texas rebellion could just be what kicks off the alt Mexican-American war, The only difference being that the alt USA would only expand to Texas instead of all the way to California like irl.
@@Anim1013 in IRL México only embraced industrialization and immigration until the regime of dictator Porfirio Díaz. They don't mean agricultural power as opposed to Industrial power, but as opposed to no economic power. In this alternate history Mexico actively encouraged immigration early on, which would most likely be Catholics or from Christian minorities associated to the Vatican (like some in the Middle East). Some of them would already have combat experience because mercenary was a rather common line of work in Europe at the time. And many would be strongly opposed to the idea of moving to a Catholic country only to be annexed by a Protestant one. Like how the Saint Patrick battalion defected to Mexico's side in real life.
I will be honest the US is not feeling like a super power of this one
This should have a part 2! i love the world (i am not biased at all being canadian)
PART 2 WHEN?!?!??
Pt 2 please
The image that you put on the video it's not Joseph Bonapart(Napoleon's brother)
Known as José 1 Bonaparte King of Spain
The person in the image that you put is Fernando VII king of Spain from the bourbon dinasty
Will there be a part 2?
yo give us more of this time line
Can we get a part 2?
Keep with the story
PART 2!!!
Can you do a philippine empire where it successfully liberate itself together as the time where south american countries revolted as well, and Philippines as well as the spanish indies become its own empire?
I love fictional Alt history its always so fun to make and watch. Please do more videos like this!
Wait a minute isn't alt history already fiction. Or is the alt history community just ignorant of the words
@@mightyx5441 Ye it is fiction. but I mean Alt history were they just make stuff up is fun.
Can we get a part two pleeeeaaassseeee????
Can you look at a Scenario where the Von Cillis replace Austria as the diplomatic hegemon in Europe? They were already on their way to do that, but what if they never fell? For example the last Von Cilli even claimed all of Hungary as the regent for the King there. It'd be interesting to see this Slovene superpower.
Part 2 pls
Can you make a part 2?
Yes.
I would read a book based on this.
This goes hard. Maybe someone can mod this into hoi4.