How Europeans Dominate Basketball Without Athleticism (Alperen Şengün Breakdown)

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    Over the past couple decades, Europeans have infiltrated the NBA and have laid an imprint on the game that'll last forever. Between Nikola Jokic, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Joel Embiid, these 3 have dominated this generations frontcourt and they aren't the last to come.
    With the Houston Rockets lies another European with minimal athleticism at the center position: Alperen Şengün. In a matchup against another fellow future European frontcourt superstar, Victor Wembanyama, Alperen Şengün displayed all skills which European basketball players possess in order to thrive in a game where athleticism is prominent and important. So in today's video, we analyze Alperen Sengun 45 points vs Wemby.
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  • @bastadimasta
    @bastadimasta Před 2 měsíci +117

    Athleticism is not equal to speed or vertical jump.
    Sengun is one of the most athletic players in NBA history. He is more flexible than a ballerina, and more agile than kung fu master.

    • @jmr5792
      @jmr5792 Před 2 měsíci +34

      Most European players have great endurance. I think Americans need to stop with that mindset that jumping & sprinting is all there is to athleticism

    • @mbndr6
      @mbndr6 Před 2 měsíci +3

      😂

    • @pattdor1
      @pattdor1  Před 2 měsíci +25

      another part people overlook is body control. although they don’t have the vert and speed, they just know how to use their entire body better

    • @alperenarabac6559
      @alperenarabac6559 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@pattdor1 then why did you post this video like this "How Europeans Dominate Basketball Without Athleticism" :DDDD

    • @thedailygreatness
      @thedailygreatness Před 2 měsíci +6

      "one of the most athletic players in NBA history." TF? The delusions are real. He's not one of the most athletic players ON HIS TEAM.
      Let me spell this out. Athleticism is the combination of Speed, Explosiveness, Body Control, Agility and Timing that automatically gives the more "athletic" players an advantage in almost any sport. But in basketball simple physical SIZE and the learned skill of Shooting, can be just as if not more Impactful than athleticism. That's why you will never see someone like Shaq, Sengun or Jokic playing SOCCER. They are too SLOW and heavy.
      Sengun isn't under any circumstances athletic unless you add conditions, like, "for a 7-footer", and even then he's far closer to Jokic than he is to say Hakeem or D. Robinson. He moves in slow motion but because he's 7 feet and has decent body control and great hands and enough physicality, he definitely impacts the game. His shooting and court awareness pay huge dividends in today's league. His shot is interesting, similar to Jokic and quite effective, which is the only thing that matters.
      But if you take Sengun's skill-set: shooting, passing and handles, and compare it to someone who is somewhat more explosive and athletic, like Dwight Howard, or even a Daniel Theis, a Sengun will be much more valuable overall.
      Still searching for the ballerina flex. Maybe you've seen him do yoga. To my eyes for a 7 footer he's doing about what he should be doing in today's WIDE OPEN lane era. Maybe he's overachieving with his shotmaking but these days ANY big who can shoot consistently should be averaging double doubles. And any big who can't shoot better be a helluva defender.

  • @egedanr7608
    @egedanr7608 Před 2 měsíci +57

    My dude Sengun just dunked on Wemby, he is freakishly athletic. Doncic has a 38 inch vertical. It is not that they are not athletic, they play the game methodically at their own pace.

    • @oldschoolsaint
      @oldschoolsaint Před 2 měsíci +14

      Nice to see someone with some brains here.

    • @Dyl3423
      @Dyl3423 Před 2 měsíci +7

      Not freakishly athletic compared to the league

    • @thedailygreatness
      @thedailygreatness Před 2 měsíci +7

      Doncic struggles to dunk and is slow, thus he has patterned his game on Curry or even a Gilbert Arenas. This shyt ain't new. Slower, less explosive players have always done well in the League when they can shoot and control the pace and spacing. Curry and Bird are the best examples.

    • @poly_g6068
      @poly_g6068 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Nha. He can dunk because he's 7ft, not because he's athletic

    • @jamal0001
      @jamal0001 Před měsícem

      When are you guys gonna realize that vertical is not the only athletic trait
      D Wade had a 36 inch vertical so did Russ but who is more athletic D Wade and Russ or Luka?

  • @LifeOfKdub
    @LifeOfKdub Před 2 měsíci +28

    Your analysis are always good! I’m one of the top juco point guards and always learn from your vids. Even if it’s about bigs

  • @kahramanaday6926
    @kahramanaday6926 Před 2 měsíci +10

    This was my first time watching your analysis. I love it man. Şengün is a really smart and crafted player for sure.

  • @ATA.96
    @ATA.96 Před 2 měsíci

    I saw you for the first time, but your analysis is very good, my friend 💥

  • @chaingangbiscuit
    @chaingangbiscuit Před 2 měsíci +2

    Great analysis

  • @kahverengi
    @kahverengi Před 2 měsíci +7

    Good points. Since their childhood the European players consistantly polish their fundamental skills otherwise you can't survive in the jungle. The game of basketball is percieved as an entertainment in US however it is beyond life and death in most of the european countries.

    • @pattdor1
      @pattdor1  Před 2 měsíci +6

      in the US, it’s capitalism. in europe, it’s their life. europeans tend to have a different drive and hunger for the game and it last much longer cuz their motivation is from love and popularity and money

  • @usman3068
    @usman3068 Před 2 měsíci +7

    This is such a great vid, as a rockets fan I appreciate how much u highlight his IQ, it’s always been the best of the team since his rookie year. Under Ime he’s using that IQ on defense like he never has before it’s great to see

    • @williamdavis9562
      @williamdavis9562 Před 12 dny

      Sengun is a very smart player and you can see him learning on the fly every single night.
      If he can develop a pretty good deep shot, it's game over.

  • @ebubekir5718
    @ebubekir5718 Před 2 měsíci

    Watched every second good job brother

  • @lebdemeden3518
    @lebdemeden3518 Před 2 měsíci +1

    good analysis 👏🏼

  • @mrrealistyes1819
    @mrrealistyes1819 Před 2 měsíci

    Great analysis in general

  • @redyellow27
    @redyellow27 Před 2 měsíci

    Great stuff

  • @user-hp4ky3ud9n
    @user-hp4ky3ud9n Před 2 měsíci

    Great bro

  • @manuelcorvobelda1831
    @manuelcorvobelda1831 Před 2 měsíci +1

    What Sengun does so well here is creating a bunch of space with his butt, which is amazing on its own. He is also an incredibly fast spinner, he has probably some of the best balance for a center. He will probably be a more dominant scorer than Jokic.

  • @fade2gray
    @fade2gray Před 2 měsíci

    This channel deserves at least half a million subscribers

  • @BIG-GAME-HUNTING
    @BIG-GAME-HUNTING Před 2 měsíci +1

    45/15 on Wemby was NASTYYYYYY WORK!

  • @pnardundar905
    @pnardundar905 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Bu kadar güzel analiz seyretmemistim. Tebrikler.

  • @thatguy1488
    @thatguy1488 Před 2 měsíci +2

    sengun is special man

  • @ca9larr
    @ca9larr Před 2 měsíci +4

    The thing is not all European players are like Jokic, Şengün and etc. They are like unicorns overcoming all those physical "weaknesses". Let me ask you this, how many centers do you remember having the same level handles with both hands and plus the footwork like Şengün? Isn't that also a physical attribute?

    • @williamdavis9562
      @williamdavis9562 Před 12 dny +1

      His speed, acceleration and agility are also physical attributes.
      People have athleticism completely tied into how high you can jump. Which is odd because athleticism has many many components.
      I wouldn't call Al. P an athletic player as the number one explanatory word on his profile. But I would say he does have very specific athletic abilities which should be noted.

  • @JusMing
    @JusMing Před 2 měsíci +1

    Can you please do Bobby Portis breakdown next?

  • @thomasschneitter
    @thomasschneitter Před 2 měsíci +1

    There are 10 components to athleticism. Strength - the ability to create force
    Speed - the ability to minimize the time cycle of a given movement
    Power - the ability to create maximal force in minimal time
    Mental Resilience - the ability to push yourself out of your comfort zone
    Aerobic Capacity - the maximal amount of physiological work that an individual can do as measured by oxygen consumption
    Anaerobic Capacity - the maximal work performed during maximum-intensity short term physical effort
    Balance & Coordination - the ability to perform movements with precision and grace
    Agility - the ability to be nimble on your feet and move quickly from one movement pattern to another
    Stability - the ability to prevent movement in one part of the body while creating movement in another, thus protecting vulnerable areas
    Mobility - flexibility in motion, the range of motion through muscles and joints

  • @Tosabang
    @Tosabang Před 2 měsíci +2

    Actually u can't say sengun has no athleticism! Watch his full court dribbling and old dunks(in turkish league) and focus his flexibility. Also he is 6'11'' believe me he is athletic. Just his role has been changed in Houston and he must do defense more than before so he needs to keep his energy that's why playing like classic no athleticism European hooper. But reality is different. Just watch his old matches as i say✌️

  • @boroborable
    @boroborable Před 2 měsíci +2

    well sure those skills are learnable but in europe they start learning these from ground up, even you learn those skills later on as an US based player, you won't be equal caliber using those skills cause your tendencies will be most likely what you are built on.

    • @pattdor1
      @pattdor1  Před 2 měsíci

      foundation is everything. but since their will always be youth, it’s just a matter of there being people to change the foundation for the US kids

  • @Karliah24
    @Karliah24 Před 2 měsíci +1

    The video got me, I thought I would just have a look and exit but watched all the way.
    Great analysis. I've always been wondering how Europeans could hold onto the NBA tempo. This video mostly covers the topic considering most European players are tall in NBA.

  • @thedailygreatness
    @thedailygreatness Před 2 měsíci

    7 footers don't have to be explosive or athletic. But in this NBA Era of wide open lanes, the bigs who can shoot and handle a bit are lethal. Sengun is executing the new style of big quite well. Expect more multi-dimensional bigs thanks to the Curry Revolution.

  • @wildanmalik1819
    @wildanmalik1819 Před 2 měsíci

    He is up next for sure 1000%

  • @sinemcelik2161
    @sinemcelik2161 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Best post player

  • @JJD0
    @JJD0 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I think the Rockets should give up on Jalen Green and build a team around Sengün. Jalen is very talented but he won't be a franchise player and he doesn't want to be a role player. Alpi is truly a little Jokic. Just give him players like Aaron Gordon and Jamal Murray. 😊

    • @pattdor1
      @pattdor1  Před 2 měsíci +1

      if you jalen green the right vets, environment, and opportunity to make mistakes, he can be great. but today’s game doesn’t care about those things that are needed to help develop a player like jalen green

    • @JJD0
      @JJD0 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@pattdor1 I support player development. Houston already wasted a lot of time with Silas. But Jalen Green is developing really slowly, also Alpi and Jalen have been playing together for 3 years but they are not well compatible. I think the Rockets will have to choose between Sengun and Jalen in the coming years. The connection between FVV and Sengün is very effective even though it is only in its first year. But I don't see a future for the Alperen and Jalen partnership.
      Unfortunately Jalen Green must accept his role on the team or he will ruin his potential… What do you think about that?

  • @yakupborklu1781
    @yakupborklu1781 Před 2 měsíci +1

    %10 percent Analysis
    %45 percent "European players are not athletic"
    %45 percent "But they're crafty as hell"

  • @UltimateFrisbeeIsFun
    @UltimateFrisbeeIsFun Před 2 měsíci

    JJ Redick wishes he could break down film like this

  • @lulumanluluman8486
    @lulumanluluman8486 Před 2 měsíci +6

    We'll see if the Rockets can keep Sengun alive. if he can make it to the play-offs with Houston next year and show himself there. Who says he won't change for big money ? The Night is dark and full of Terrors🙃

    • @williamdavis9562
      @williamdavis9562 Před 12 dny

      It has been shown over and over again that foreign players are a lot less likely to sell out a good situation they're in chasing a few extra bucks.
      They're not as stupid or as short sighted as the young American players we've recently raised.
      If he makes a big splash in the playoffs next year and carries the team and the Rockets make him a fair offer, he'll probably take it.

  • @mrrealistyes1819
    @mrrealistyes1819 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Stop saying european payers un athletic they are are are are
    They play the game at there own pace without showing off thats all

  • @MuazCannabissativaMCMXCIV
    @MuazCannabissativaMCMXCIV Před 2 měsíci

    if you find same positions and make a comparisson EU vs US you make people understand more. For example Bitim, who is also a Turkis EU player in NBA, I watche him and made fun of him as ''is he playing for his highschool? What a weird defencing tactic'' bıt he was a good deffender in that game. Something doesn't make sense in US basketball and US basketball seems to take more europeans to make this game better (or competable).

  • @faubourglincoln
    @faubourglincoln Před 2 měsíci +2

    Ok afro americans needs to understand that athleticism is not only jumping high and run fast. It’s just as important if not more to be rock solid, and to have stamina and good footing.

    • @KnoxWheelerJr
      @KnoxWheelerJr Před 2 měsíci

      Look in the US we use the term "athleticism" to refer to explosive athleticism. I get it, it's not comprehensive enough, but we (white Americans) do this too lol

    • @faubourglincoln
      @faubourglincoln Před 2 měsíci

      @@KnoxWheelerJr I see a lot of European players much more athletic than American players. You guys call Doncic non athletic but name me a guard that can move him? Name me 3 players in the entire nba than can play with the ball as much as Doncic, every f possession and every f game, or being blitzed as him, and without being dead tired in the 4th? I see your point, but it’s wrong then. It can’t be the truth just because you choose to change randomly the definition of words

    • @KnoxWheelerJr
      @KnoxWheelerJr Před 2 měsíci

      @@faubourglincoln I don't necessarily agree with the way it's used. Jokić has insane coordination, can basically place a ball wherever he wants and dance around anybody in the paint while being as strong as Adams. That's elite athleticism. But y'all know what he means

    • @williamdavis9562
      @williamdavis9562 Před 12 dny

      @@faubourglincoln There is more to what you're explaining than athleticism.
      You'd think the answer to your question would be obvious. Athleticism is great but isn't the end all be all to success in this league.
      Luka is athletic in his own right in some ways and lacks athleticism in other ways, so no one would really claim athleticism is one of his strong suits as a player.
      But the other skills he has (just as important if not more important than athleticism) are where has freakish abilities in, abilities which allow him to dominate the way he does.

    • @williamdavis9562
      @williamdavis9562 Před 12 dny

      @@KnoxWheelerJr Being able to put the ball where you want falls in the skill category. Not the athleticism category.
      Lets understand what these words mean before trying to use them as talking points.

  • @buardo8380
    @buardo8380 Před 2 měsíci

    Sengoat 🐐

  • @hopal6612
    @hopal6612 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Your last observation is correct, but not everyone has the same intelligence.

  • @epik1907
    @epik1907 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Every move in the NBA is a foul in Europe. NBA MVP barely averages 15 points in Europe.European players are very good, but here in Europe the rules are very difficult, so when they come to the NBA they score very easily.

  • @firatcantatarka671
    @firatcantatarka671 Před 2 měsíci +1

    "europeans are not atheletic they have no defense" this is most bullshit i've ever heard

  • @sabityer
    @sabityer Před 2 měsíci

    wabyam pert alperen şov

  • @Daniel-nq5wp
    @Daniel-nq5wp Před 2 měsíci

    You saying European players like wemby not French???

    • @williamdavis9562
      @williamdavis9562 Před 12 dny

      Incase you weren't aware, France is in Europe.
      So a French player would also at the same time be considered a European player.
      So to spell it out in laymen's terms. No, calling him a European player doesn't mean he isn't also a French player.

    • @Daniel-nq5wp
      @Daniel-nq5wp Před 12 dny

      @@williamdavis9562 yeah so I think it’s lazy to say Europeans dominate basketball without athleticism when there is plenty of athletic Europeans in basketball… should be how players are dominating basketball without athleticism

    • @williamdavis9562
      @williamdavis9562 Před 11 dny

      @@Daniel-nq5wp No one claimed athletic Europeans didn't exist.

  • @mrttrm9504
    @mrttrm9504 Před 2 měsíci +1

    A L P İ 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

  • @Voggl242
    @Voggl242 Před 2 měsíci

    Sengun is athletic but sure plays unconventional ball

  • @Allaluca
    @Allaluca Před 2 měsíci

    Strength and coordination is also athleticism 😑

  • @FateSoulzZ
    @FateSoulzZ Před 2 měsíci

    to be fair you're analyzing against US players as if wemby is a US player, love sengun though, extremely high iq player and i've been the biggest fan of him for the past 3 seasons

  • @tnsle000
    @tnsle000 Před 2 měsíci

    Euro players are taught to play basketball while the Americans are taught to be a baller.

  • @rifraf1717
    @rifraf1717 Před 2 měsíci

    Sengun isnt and was never a European...he played in the Turkish league...which is basically in the geopolitical region of the Northern Middle East aka Kim Kardashian people (Armenians Ik, that nose dont lie)

    • @admin6710
      @admin6710 Před 2 měsíci

      What an ignorant comment.

    • @demogorgon4244
      @demogorgon4244 Před 2 měsíci

      turkish teams play in european cups and they win those cups quite frequently. also why are you even talking about geoPOLITICAL dummy?

    • @user-fz6ev1ol5e
      @user-fz6ev1ol5e Před 2 měsíci

      Istanbul is in europe bro, just stfu.

    • @handerkan85
      @handerkan85 Před 2 měsíci +14

      Some part of Turkey is in the europe.

    • @_Redronin_
      @_Redronin_ Před 2 měsíci +23

      Türkiye takes part in all European organizations and plays its matches with European teams. Moreover, even the name of the European league is Turkish Airlines EuroLeague.

  • @BenDover-vg9ep
    @BenDover-vg9ep Před 2 měsíci

    9:40 ayo