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I actually think Ben has one of the most reasonable takes of any social media GM.
Like why are people like Hikaru, GothamChess, Danya etc not mentioning the fact that Magnus could have finished playing the tournament without withdrawing at St Louis. And why Magnus had no issue playing Hans just two weeks prior in Miami. Why is only Ben talking about these points?
Ben has the wisdom that comes with extreme old age.
Most of us feel this way, but the algorithm doesn't project and boost that take because it doesn't feed the drama machine. Also, people that are drama just speak louder and are more incessant.
Well, to the Miami beach thing - it was a photoshoot. I wouldn't repeat that point much it carries no punch.
@@antthehckyplayer they played against each other in a 4 game crypto chess rounds. Hans won the first game before losing the match
Obviously because it draws attention.
I feel like Ben is the sanest person in the room right now.
LOL. Just wait till he spouts off on politics (Those mean tweets. Orange man bad.). 🙄
@@nbi4220 I mean... It's pretty sane to be critical of someone who is a dangerous lunatic and wants to have the most power possible at the cost of anyone and anything.
Edit: Although, to be fair, apparently it simply comes down to how you see reality. Which is sad, because we all share the same reality, but not according to Trump and his followers.
I liked Ben. But I'm a Mets fan.
Other than that, yes since Ben says Magnus should eat a bag of dix and he's wrong or went about it wrong that I stick to the crazy ol man for the remainder of this soap opera.
Yes but I still don't know what Professor Finegold thinks about wifi controlled vibrating anal beads.
@@moleyswag1311 someone got their CNN and Reddit update today
speaking of cheating online: didn't Magnus play some games online with people with him in a room, drinking and streaming? And then Magnus would help the other person, play the endgame and win?
So strictly speaking he helped someone cheat online. For content? Shits and giggles?
It's fine since it's Magnus?
Good point, but was it for money? Apparently Hans cheated in Titled Tuesday.
And Hikaru, danya, e,ric hansen , they all literally cheat for a f****** living sanctioned by the chess website. Under the guise that it's "educational". Yeah they are teaching people how to Smurf and manipulate ratings, getting the ok for that ad money. Confirming that online chess is not taken seriously . And if they have become the authority voice now ? chess has sunken, kiss all the sponsorships goodbye.
@@gruvious IDK. Probably not, he probably did it for fun and content (=money).
My point is perhaps he should be less zealous and critical of others if he himself breaks cheating rules online.
Yeah I saw that video, a blonde chick is playing the computer, Magnum, phone in hand gives the engines moves, then moves to the keyboard, they cheat they won! Is great fun to play like this!
Magnus statement letter was ridiculous. He states that he felt he cheated because Hans was "relaxed and not pensive" during a critical position. Facts don't care about your feelings Maggie.
He knew quite well he was going to take the opportunity with this tournament as backdrop for his deceit, pretending otherwise is shortsighted.
When Magnus write about Hans not being fully concentrated, it remind me one game from Miami where magnus was literally laughing his ass off.
@@victorbasurto1584 missed opportunity to correctly call someone myopic and tone deaf
Magnus is a God of chess. Shut up you mortal idiot.
For those who value their time: Ben thinks Hans didn’t cheat in the Sinquefield Cup, but he might have. Hans cheated online, but so did many others. Ben likes Magnus more than Hans, but not in this case. Ben takes a sip of Perrier. Repeat.
I make it even more simple:
Hans played the tournament, he defeated Magnus, he did the interview.
Magnus Was defeated my Hans, disgraced the tournament and didn’t do the interview.
@@victorbasurto1584 And to close, Magnus then slandered Hans, but not enough to warrant legal action. "If I speak, I will be in trouble"
Shot off his own foot, like hey, I'll survive, but you might not.
Ben hasn't learned that a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little mines.
@@KF1 The level of defamation has to be determined by the Jury after all is said and done, if you saw the Depp versus Heatd case, the Jury awarded 15 million to Johnny. Just the fact that Hans will be blackisted from the same events as Magnus, meaning loss of capital, ruining somebody’s career, worldwide public humiliation, those things are not dismissed with a slap in the wrist.
@@victorbasurto1584 And yet, those things have been done to some extent already for online (which he deserves) but OTB he does not.
How are you dismissing the Chessbase computer correlation out of hand? Did you do it yourself?
Regan, the foremost chess cheater expert, did
But of course you don't want the truth, you only want to have your prejudices confirmed, as 99.9% of people online... that's why you didn't know that little fact, you didn't search both sides, just looked for confirmation of your predetermined stance, am I right?
This "engine correlation" crap from Yosha is B.S. -- even Hikaru hadn't heard of it until last week. Nobody will be able to fine *the engine* (the single engine) that Hans supposedly was using to cheat, because it doesn't exist.
whats to stop him cheating off multiple engines?
If he cheated an engine/multiple engines to cheat, then that engine/engines do exist.
Bro he was using the latest Stockfish engine, and we’ve seen it for ourselves.
@@Bradley_UA Okay which engines recommended the moves he played in Sinquefield, for instance. Or which set of engines? Should be provable.
The most recent stockfish at the time of each OTB game where he played perfect engine line.
People wonder how the salem witch trials happened.
Oh God. Y’all are so dramatic 😂
And the Kavanagh confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice where a crazed feminist Psychologist being coached by the FBI to ruin him. She ends up with a brand new house from GoFundMe at the end as payment
@@mbealhighjump so?
This instance is largely irrelevant. This is a greater psychological point of people stirring people into a fit. I found out about this 3 weeks to a month late, because I get limited news. I really will be over this tomorrow. This is an instance where an "expert" or two uses his platform to drum people up into a fuss and then before you know it everyone believes something is true without evidence. This happened not even 3 years ago on a globabal scale. This happens all the time. People are lemmings.
Yes Ben! Love the recent content push. Your blunt non-click bait insight is much needed during this.
It's so much clickbait, because he makes it seem like it's new content, when he's repeating 95% of what he already said.
I still enjoy it
i would say it is more like click bait non click bait insight. Ben is definitely chasing clicks too, but he openly admits this and I agree with you, he is the only one that seems to be telling it like it is. He is spending his entire time on air repeating several good points, but nothing more, so I am getting bored looking at that same initial chess position taking up the screen. Agadmator is handling this best, IMO. He is showing a lot of Nieman games, with no innuendo at all, and only reporting on events, never imposing his point of view, and keeping the chess coming. Enough is enough though Ben. Make a new point or move on already. At least you could click bait us and THEN talk about chess or something.
We can all wish to be so good at chess that Ben spends an hour making disparaging comments about us
My God! If a quarter of GM's and IM's cheated online, that's horrible. Kudos to GM Finegold for having integrity.
I dont queen my pawns, I Finegold them (goes anywhere on the board, instant check mate)
You are good at constructing an argument. I appreciate that. And letting the statisticians do there thing feels like it is the sensible choice.
Big respect Ben for having a logical brain and keeping your head through all of this insanity. It amazes me how many people just wash in with the tide.
He hasn't kept his head, and he's not logical. He speaks with conviction like he has all the information and answers, all the while ridiculing those who do the same. ie "Magnus has no evidence" when 1. he has no idea what Magnus knows, ie what he would like permission to "speak freely about" and 2. The lack of hard evidence is irrelevant if Magnus has a degree of certainty without the ability to prove it. It is possible for Magnus Carlsen to be both certain, and unable to demonstrable that certainty to us in a convincing manner, for legal or technical reasons.
Great points. Spot on.
that thumbnail is one of the funniest thing I have seen.
I just came across this guy but now when I needa laugh I come here I do like Levy or Levi whatever it is but he seems to be trying too hard lately
Wait is Hans Ben's son?
well said!
It's clear that Ben is on the side of chess
Ha. The Bengals-Dolphins prediction turned out to be pretty good.
Exactly. Magnus doesn't want cheating to be addressed. He wants to damage Hans personally. Sign of a sociopath.
I guess that if you cheat at chess, FIDE will do an inquiry and ban you. But if you cheat vs Hans, Magnus will destroy you.
FIDE has a chance to redeem themselves by catching up with the times, they were dormant, they were slow, the bureaucratic swamp they operate in cannot possible met the current speeds.
jesus that thumbnail shot
Anyone have a link to the Reddit post so I can read the whole thing for myself?
Hans needs to release the threat of suing and allow magnus to say what his evidence is and respond to it.
Magnus doesn't have the right to lie about Hans. I'm sorry that upsets you. The only reason he "can't say more" is because if he said more, he'd be forced to be held accountable for his comments.
Not really.
Burden of proof isn't on Hans to do anything magnus needs to prove......full stop
Mary needs to make her blueberry pie with less sugar. Only when the pressure of being overly sweet is released will the world know the true taste of blueberries
Not sure, if is worth to start battle with magnus's lawyer team. Better shut down social media, focus on US championship an cooperate in FIDE investigation.
The thumbnail. I can't look away. Thankfully the autoplay starts.
Botez sisters also very often have one sister looking at their phone while the other is playing. They say that one is communing with a mysterious entity called 'chat'. How do we know one sister isn't operating stockfish and using a strange secret code to signal moves? Those girls are loud! There must be hidden signals in there.
They are cute and bring some genuine joy as opposed to the sad vibe of the ‘elite’ guys, I have seen their games in the street against the thrash talkers like Boston Bob and others.
In person they are certainly not cheating, online chess is more for the fun of it, like boot-camp for the kids after school, everybody cheats online, who cares right?
Actually the first video I saw of Hans was him playing the younger chick (Amanda?) for a date in the Marina, I was forced to play the whole video on slow-motion to catch the moves.
If they ever marry they will have beautiful GMs, just sayin’… I also like the other GM chicks, they are a welcome sight to an old geezer…
@@victorbasurto1584 This is satire. There is an anti cheating witch hunt going on. If literally using your phone while playing isn't suspicious, maybe check them for anal beads also? Nice simp post though. Maybe you will marry one of them one day and raise a family of 6 GM kids.
So glad that you post logically like this.
Finegold For President!
Well if Magnus thinks he cheated, he probably did. Magnus is leagues ahead of everyone, that means he is by far the leading chess authority. Papa Magnus knows best.
Nice sarcasm.
I agree. Magnus godhood goes beyond mortals imagination.
@@dengai9977 He's being sarcastic.
Not only that but it proves Norway as a country can also ‘sense’ that Hans is a cheater. That Magnus is a superior being is clear to everybody, thinking otherwise is blasphemy. Rules apply to the inferiors but, if the Mighty Thor choose you as the ruler of the World then you ride your Dark Horse over corpses.
@@ngc-fo5te He's being sarcastic.
Reddit and Twitter are always wrong that's how you know Hans is innocent
Ben confirmed my suspicion when he says that Hans is a creative player. I think it's kind of vindicating Fischer's thoughts on chess when people are outraged by a guy playing weird moves. That's how you know a game is stagnant. Maybe it turns out that playing unpredictably may actually be an advantage. Who would have thought?
Good point.
Indeed, Chess is now a mechanized tango and is not allowing - because of preconceptions - sprouts of creativity or alternative ways of thinking. I am in my ‘golden years’ so I remember Jimi Hendrix playing with his teeth or smashing the guitar on the amps, nobody was saying “hey Jimi, you are not supposed to do that, use your hands only”.
The beginning cracked me up and that’s ne pas facile HOHOHOHO
He was almost spot on for the cinci score lol
Ben being off by 2 points in the Cincy-Miami game prediction is pretty impressive, but definitely not evidence that Hans cheated.
Ben must have cheated!
I have to mention beating magnus is possible, and so are many things hans pulled off individually. but the if you combine them I'm fairy certain you reach a statistical anomaly that is essentially impossible. that's how statistics are used in court. we can't only talk about individual events when it comes to statistics. we have to look at the picture as a whole.
Regan did precisely that and found nothing, read his analisys ffs
I saw a comment in your live feed said Magnus would show up to dinner ate one bite and leave LOL
at 28:59, you query Hans playing ...Nc4, 'going into a drawn rook ending'. I have a suggestion -- that rook ending is not drawn. You mean 29...Nc4. You feel that 30. Bxc4 gives White a draw? No, after 30...Rxc4 31. gxf5 (I assume), White is in trouble. Say, 31...b5 32. Rb8 Ra4 33. Rb6 Rxa3, Black has consolidated two connected passed pawns, and wins. Indeed, White resigns now, so this is worse considerably for White than he got from the actual game.
Hans is being scapegoated - that what you are (rightly) saying.
Magnus after 1 month of intense evidence gathering, " hans didnt look tense enough when he beat me, therefore he cheated!! " 😭😭
Hilarious thumbnails. Good job. ☺
Magnus is implying he has Evidence but he needs Hans to allow him to say it without the threat of a lawsuit
why would you allow someone to defame you? if Niemann is stupid, he will allow it. hahaha. Magnus could say anything, and Niemann wouldn't be able to sue
The only reason he’d need permission to present evidence is if the “evidence” is unsubstantiated and constitutes slander lol.
Magnus doesn’t need permission to lay out provable facts, he’s literally asking Hans for permission to slander him.
No sane person should ever give permission in Hans’ position.
@@upliftstv Exactly... do attorneys need permission from the acussed to lay down incriminating proof? lol, what a load of bs
I think one thing is, regardless if Magnus still has some evidence or not, that he just can’t put it out of his head and really focus on his games when he’s playing Hans. And something did probably happen between Miami and the Sinquefield cup, because he was already considering not to play when Hans also joined the tournament. I think he played that game and lost, and then just realised that he couldn’t focus against him, and plus also the fact that Hans mysteriously seemed to know all his prep etc. made him decide that he just couldn’t focus anymore and he withdrew from the tournament
He couldn’t focus against Hans? That’s bullshit Magnus has played a thousand games, he himself trolls his opponents, is like saying that you lost against Thyssen because he makes you nervous. I think that Magnus played a mediocre game and lost as an excuse to start the whole charade, also by leaving the tournament he avoided to give an interview about why he lost.
@@victorbasurto1584 I think that played a part in it yes, I know that because I also play chess (not on a very high level) but I need to put al my attention on the game to be able to play my absolute best, and you can’t have those things wondering around in your mind, it is very distracting, regardless if this is your opponents fault or not, but in this case we have a confirmed cheater here which Magnus probably still knows more about than he’s letting up at the moment. Something did probably happen in the time between Miami and the Sinquefield cup, because there he also lost the first game agains Hans and he didn’t make a deal out of it. And remember, (of course it can be you haven’t heard this yet) but Carlsen did recently still say that he Has more information, but that he’s not (yet) allowed to share it, probably for legal reasons, unless Hans himself gives permission for that, which he obviously didn’t do :) And of course we can say: “why would he?” But why doesn’t he is also an interesting question, I mean it could be a very easy way to just clear his name and show everyone that Carlsen really has nothing. But to be clear I also know nothing, other than all what I’ve just said. But maybe together with everyone in the community we can try to understand it all a bit better :)
@@KvS1248 Thets the idea, in a sense this has been thrown to the court of public opinion, but in my opinion it was not done properly. One should give the others the benefit of the doubt and then act in a proper manner, why ruin the tournament, things such as this are conducted behind closed doors, with experts that are neutral and both parties are allowed to a fair defense.
Point that just destabilizes this argument is, why is it Hans responsibility if Magnus can't focus and play well on his games? Lol
@@Ceber911 Hans was supposed to act scared and submissive, such disrespect can certainly distract somebody that is of such high status, I wouldn’t dare even to look at Magnus in the street, less he takes offense at my impudence.
IMO, I'd like to see Hans play in the next few tournaments and achieve a 2875 performance rating. The real problem Hans has is Magnus felt Hans didn't show the proper deference to the world champ.......IOW's.....Hans is just plain arrogant & Magnus is butt hurt.
Hans is now blacklisted from the current tournaments, even without actually having been found guilty.
Well said.
Hans is destined for the dustbin of chess history and people who keep hoping ghat he'll prove to be the 2nd Coming of Bobby Fischer are an embarrassment to human rationality and ethics.
@@johnrichardson7629 We are all transient beings, our egos will collapse sooner or later, what is important is that everybody and not only Hans gets a fair chance at fulfilling their destinies. If Hans is now pinned against the world for whatever reason, then he will make a comeback at some point And because his every move will be scrutinized from now onwards, if he actually proves to be that talented then whomever despises him should first look at himself or herself.
If I were Hans, and if I were innocent, I would be speaking up a lot more. I believe Lex Fridman invited Hans onto his podcast, but seems like Hans is laying low. Seems weird after that impassioned round 5 interview.
With all the clip chimping going on I don't blame him for not innocent or otherwise.
I would agree if any specific claim had been made and he was avoiding it , but as of right now Hans doesn’t really have anything to respond to that hasn’t already been said. He’s said he didn’t cheat, no real evidence has been put forth thats needs his input, he doesn’t need to say he didn’t cheat over and over to respond to everyone who’s accusing him, his response to the accusations has been fair given how silly the accusations currently are
If you are involved in a scandal, you lay low and let the professionaly (Lawyers or PR-Managers) handle it. What you don't do is make any passionate statements or give interviews. A lot of people have already decided that he's guilty, and nothing he could say would convince them otherwise. I mean, look at the interview you mentioned, people are going on about how he was to passionate to be innocent or not passionate enough, that he stroked his chin TWICE (!!1!) during one question, which means, that he is guilty. And especially if lawyers get involved (if they aren't already) you don't give the other side ANY information that you don't have to. "You have the right to remain silent" is not only for guilty people
I guess, he decides its not worth to spent energy on endless twitter battles and is focusing on US championship, which is for him the most important tournament so far.
Hans is the kind of guy with a smoking crater where his charisma should be.
Dude is just profoundly unlikable, I think laying low is the correct move. If he was a charismatic and likable guy and he was good at speaking publicly, sure. He’s none of those things though.
Respect, Mr Fine Gold
Cheating is when you pick up a Knight then put it back down and move a Pawn while your opponent is away from the board. As demonstrated in the 2021 world chess championships.
I would like to know who successfully reported Hans for cheating online.
My dog seem to have reacted the same way 😂
I think Hans has a good memory.
I think that it's an exaggeration to say that "Magnus ruined his life"...... If anything, to the general public, Magnus' drama puts Hans on the map! If in the end, there is no proof against Hans cheating in the Sinquefield cup, he'll still be playing tournaments and once again, if anything, his public / fanbase grew from this incident!
He will be the black sheep forever, on the contrary.
@@michaelcarroll5801 He was already a black sheep, let's face it, imagine him being world champion, everybody (prior to the Magnus incident) would have thought it was the shadiest champion ever because of his cheating history! I just think that Magnus is not ruining anything, in the end, if anything, this will clarify the situation and clear his name for future tournaments! (If he, indeed, didn't cheat OTB)
@@verstraetenandre Hm okay, that is something I didn't consider.. maybe the situation can be somewhat clarified by its publicity
What if Ben is Hans accomplice ?!
Keep up the drama farm
if magnus plays like an engine
Lol Ben it was the same person who gave you the Perrier at Foxwoods this year
I am one who thinks less of Magnus since this. Still respect him but this was something that put him out of the gentlemen WCs category.
That guy bringing up one game and hanging a lot of weight on it. Tell me he didn't study stats w/o telling me.
Huge sums of cash in Online events - people cheat for cash. What a shock.
I've never thought online events should be worth anyting unless you have a watertight anti-cheating method (eg an arbiter present).
Obviously Ben works for Hans
I'm beginning to think Hanz broke Magnus' Ego that why he is crying ahha
Yes, but that is not a reason to start of full-blown drama, like in a football match, and the public is booing you, you don’t leave the match because your heart is broken.
Chess. You Love it. You know you want to get better. Win Tournaments
Ben and Hans are like 🤞 son
Cheating online if you get caught hurts your reputation
It should, but it often doesn't
Ok so I am definitely with Ben on the fact that Magnus shouldn’t have withdrawn from a round robin and should be criticized more for it.
Beyond that tho what else has Magnus done that is that bad? Ben has said that if someone thinks someone else is cheating that should be discussed publicly. Isn’t that what Magnus is doing?
In this video Ben says if other top GMs thought Hans was cheating they would also refuse to play him. So Magnus not wanting to play Hans because Magnus thinks he is cheating makes sense too right?
People are also criticizing Magnus because he is only caring about this after Hans beat him… and I mean yeah of course that’s why he is bringing this up now. Should Magnus be investigating all the possible cheaters and say they cheaters before they beat him?
Let's be real here, people's behaviour and past actions are what we all base trust on, it doesn't have to be current smoking gun type proof. To impose different criteria on Magnus' trust levels is silly, as he has never said he knows Hans definitely cheated OTB in this instance, he just doesn't trust him based on his behaviour and past history--not being trusted is the penalty known past cheaters of any kind in this world have to live with, and any affect that has on their livelihood is ultimately their own fault.
And do you trust somebody who walks out of a tournament because he feels himself the superior being? At least Hans finished the whole thing, even under the massive amount of vitriol directed at him from all sides.
@@victorbasurto1584 If you choose to look at Magnus' behaviour and past actions and distrust him than that's completely fine. That's my point.
@@brianthedog2004 Yes, but the repercutions of those actions could potentially destroy somebody’s life, is not nice and is not fair to do that to anybody.
Put yourself in Hans shoes for a second, these type of matters are handled in private, the level,of humiliation is beyond severe. Think about his parents would you like to have your son dragged through the mud by people with all the power?
@@victorbasurto1584 So, if I understand you, people should only be distrusted and penalized for behaviour and past actions if their parents are ok with it, otherwise it should be kept secret? We don't live in a consequence free world I'm afraid. In this case, Hans is feeling the repercussions of not being trusted by some at the highest levels due to his behaviour and past actions, and, severe or not, that is ultimately his own fault.
@@brianthedog2004 Yes but the Jury is still out, all is hearsay until lnow, much more concise and concrete evidence and actual proof is needed. The spotlight falls both on the accuser and the accused.
2 points off the miami score, solid
Ben is brilliant and his opinion on this is exactly the same as mine.
Impressive
@@NinjaPotatoGaming brilliant, as fine gold is
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again here: Ben is one of the only people making any sense out here, regardless of whether or not Hans cheated before beating Magnus at the Sinquefield Cup. The only way Magnus can emerge from this with any honor is if he can prove Hans cheated DURING their match at the Sinquefield Cup.
Gary Kasparov made some good points as well.
@@volodyanarchist Gary points will never be good!. A cheater is always a cheater. Boby Fischer was never wrong.
@@dengai9977 I see what you did there! q;-)=
Why is ben the only one talking sense even Hansen is fence sitting/leaning to magnus just because he's magnus just weird that its so lopsided amongst top players
Easily the most I've heard GMBF curse.
True
Your chess channel should now be called "Ben & Magnus love story "
lol Ben has been defending Hans for 2 months now. You can't be serious.
Love Ben's commentary. I must also say Hikaru giving his take and reporting on events in the chess world is in no way wrong, as long as he doesn't proport to know something without facts or evidence. He very often says his play is fishy or especially the game when Hans had 100% accuracy and made 45 first line moves that it was suspect or highly suspicious but as long as he does not make a claim without certainty then his reporting is 100% ethical and good for chess.
Hikaru is the most loathsome person in chess.
You don’t like his gentle laugh?
What matters is that the only indisputable known facts so far are that Niemann cheated multiple times online and his former coach, Maxim Dlugy, cheated multiple times online, which is enough, given what's known about human behavior, to suspect that Niemann might cheat over the board if he thought he could get away with it. Which is not to say "once a cheater, always a cheater". But which is to say that we can never be certain. So, if the goal is to protect the integrity of organized chess and honest players, and reduce cheating as much as possible, then there's no good reason to give people who have been caught cheating a second chance. The bad guys in all of this are the cheaters, not the people who refuse to play them and who want cheaters out of organized chess.
IF hans OR if DID of SFC did magnus SFC Maiami DIDNT DID OR IF
Well said!
Cheating in chess is like buying a puzzle that is already put together then you fram it hang it on your wall and say look what I did😂
doing it online, for gaining some fictional rating points, i 100% agree, but when we're talking about some big tournament, theres potentially thousands->hundreds of thousands USD on the line
Ben is Han's son confirmed
This clip is sponsored by Hans.
Magnus is just looking a silly girl right now
Well if its on the internet then it must be true.
its like listening to a broken record. i wish hed look as some of the new stuff like posha. feel like hes jsut bouncing around in his own echo chamber. i like ben but his takes on all this have been fairly circular since day 1.
Eh, I applaud consistency.
George Carlin reference at 26:35?
This didn't age very well. Did you see the new analysis in the WSJ? He cheated at least 100 times.
Ben, I listened very carefully and completely understood every single thing you said. My only question is: Why are you so sure that Magnus cheated in Miami?
oh u
Everyone except Ben has gone insane.
I'm confused. Wasn't Hans Moleman a Simpsons character?
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Not sure why Ben is namedropping Danya, he has the most neutral take of all.
Nepo is world chess champion. Who are you talking about? Neuman is the guy doing the kids norms
Ben is talking about a Reddit post
Better conspiracy theory: Magnus threw the game and accused Hans to get chess back to its pandemic glory days. This at least has a shred of evidence (i.e. Magnus' terrible game), which is more than Magnus'allegation has.
Imagine a situation where the SC organizers would have held Magnus accountable to his contract.
The very moment Magnus tweets he is quoting the same moment the lawyers sue for breach of contract.
The tournament gets a reset and Magnus is now bounded by the burden of proof himself.
Magnus is placed on hold from other tournaments and playing until the issue is resolved by the proper means and channels.
But because he is the ‘king’ he gets away with this and the spotlight goes to Hans, is unthinkable that for example in other games like football, the goal keeper quits the game because the other guy spits at him and is angry.
The organizers, the FIDE, the fellow players, the public in general, nobody dared to utter a single world of condemnation, of anything this whole fiasco proves that power corrupts the individual, and that supposed authorities are impotent before title and money.
Only ben can look at a game and say if there was cheating or not........others cannot
Maybe the only way to cheat is to have a phone in the toilet
Ben keeps repeating he sees no evidence that Hans cheated against Magnus. It would be helpful if he gave some examples of what such evidence might entail.
The drama that keeps on giving. And it's not even Christmas season yet.
I look at it as the preface for the real drama, once the Justice system is invoked the playing field is leveled.
Yeaaa ben my 2nd fav chess player behind ole Tigran Petrosian
It feels like cheating was a well known thing in the chess world that decided to be uncorked for the benefit of chess' poster child. I hate to put it like that but I doubt this would be a thing if Magnus had won. No one has proven that Hans has cheated over the board but because someone owns a butcher they assume the slab of meat in the middle of the room belongs to him but no one saw when, where or how he brought it in. The crazy thing is Hans is still playing great chess despite the drama and beating some really good players. it's hard not to feel that people who are "Team Magnus" are doing so because they have a relationship with him and they really don't care for Hans. That wasn't the first time Hans beat Magnus and this isn't the first time Magnus has creud about not wanting to play someone. Wasn't he talking about quiting chess not too long before the tournament? Somehow this "exposes" the rampant cheating in chess but only Hans is under scrutiny but we sa the report that indicated that he wasn't cheating more than other GMs and hasn't cheating online in 2 years. This is purely to salvage Magnus' Ego
He did cheat , and unfortunately because of that he has an advantage when playing chess. It is harder to play when u think the person you play cheated. Doing the wrong thing should not be rewarded. Personally I think if you are caught cheating you should not be allowed at high level chess you can choose another career. Plus even if runing hans life is wrong, it does bring the conversation to light. Which will be good for chess.
I hope you don't have kids, with that mindset
No offense, I just think that Ben let his anti-Magnus spiel get to his head a bit too much. I really cannot comprehend how can Ben, a person who has developed and devoted so much of his life to this sport, refuses to see and understand Magnus' position here.
Independent of what Ben thinks, Magnus has no valid position here, he signed a contract to play the tournament right? He suspected Hans of being a cheater right? As I pointed earlier, the sequence should be:
1) Magnus suspects Hans of cheating but decides to go ahead and play.
2) Magnus loses to Hans, Magnus continues the tournament and does the interview.
3) Magnus goes directly to the authorities and present his proof so a proper investigation on Hans is conducted.
Furthermore, what happened:
1) Magnus takes the opportunity to bring down Hans big way, the SC organizers chicken out and remained without legally enforcing Magnus contract, the FIDE is nowhere to be seen, maybe in meeting discussing some stupid thing, the FIDE goes out and hires four chicks to raise Hans spirits and as a distraction.
2) The other players, although affected remain silent am do anyhting, what if for example Nipo says, hey we have a contract I quit also and I am suing the tournament, or the public saying, stop everyhting we want answers.
Fairly balanced and reasonable view amidst all the madness
The momentum of speculation n spectacle is actually moving the burden of proof to Hans, that's wrong. Magnus needs to provide proof or stfu take the loss and be a man. This is the dark side of the chess boom, this is fcked up.
The Dark Knight versus the White Twin Pawns - (the burden of proof in on Magnus, it has always been, still is…)
But a clever ‘sleight of hand’ confused everybody… on a fateful day the Dark King sent his minions hunting for The Fox in his Kingdom, ‘let the hounds taste blood… let the fun begin… bring in the Clowns…’
The Miley Cyrus description lol
The more I watch Hans play bullet the less I think he cheated against Magnus.. no engine can calculate at those speeds and he's very solid.
If he cheated, that doesn't mean he doesn't know how to play chess. It's very much possible he is 2600 strength and cheats to perform at 2700 strength.
Also there's definitely engines that can calculate fast enough for bullet. Try to play agaisnt stockfish in 30sec chess. You will lose every time (and so will every player on earth).
The engines can certainly calculate fast enough, using them however is another issue. Shouldn't be impossible but definitely pretty difficult and increasingly so as the game goes on