Lebron VS Jordan - Who Is A More Selfish Teammate?
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- čas přidán 10. 04. 2024
- Today I do a reaction to a Basketball Universe video called The side of the GOAT debate that EVERYONE misses | Michael Jordan VS LeBron James. Head over to his channel and shoot him a like and subscribe, he's great! Link is below:
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Who's the more selfish teammate?
You know it's Bron
LeBalco of course.🤣
Definitely lebron... Jordan never threw his teammates under the bus jus to make himself look better...lebron does it literally every single season
@@weswarden2216he punched his teammate 😂 and threatened to retire if pipen and Phil left 😂
@@lxlcharcole I would punch Kerr too for the fact Kerr threw the first punch of course you LeBalco fans never watched the Bulls Documentary other wise you would have know that Steve Kerr even said he threw the first punch. LeNarcissist would jump ship when he has no knowledge of how to make his teammates better considering the fact he only has 3 rings & 1 Mickey Mouse ring. 🤣
Comparing anyone to MJ is just a big mistake
Yet the media keeps trying lol
@@TheRealMindCrimethat's what youtube is for 😜
Yessir!
@@Zen-up3nglol, I'll keep rockin
Yeah, because MJ gonna take It personally and He will bust your A.s😂
I can't imagine anything more selfish than abandoning your teammates for better teammates twice and acting like it didn't happen
100%
Oh and its 3 times now. And he's not even done yet lol
Truth!
That would be LeBalco alright.🤣
And Tim Duncan beat lebron twice in 3 Finals series
Hasn't everyone beaten Bron in the Finals at this point? 🤣
@@TheRealMindCrime😂
@@TheRealMindCrimecan you beat bron 1v1?
@@simplyrome can you beat Tim Duncan 1v1?
Lebron James is more selfish. He's trying to get his kid into the NBA too soon,bronny only average 4:8 points per game at usc.
Yeah. That should be the final nail in the coffin. He's setting his son up for failure in the nba just to fulfill his own dream of playing with his for a season. That's messed up man.
Bulls record without Jordan in 1st 3 peat (1990-91 ~ 1992-93) : 1 - 5
Bulls record without Jordan in 2nd 3 peat (1995-96 ~ 1997-98) : 0 - 0
To begin with, Jordan rarely missed games, especially during the 2nd three-peat, where he was almost semi-forced to play every game from the season to the finals due to the rotation of teammates in the injury front. 😂The number of absent in the 1st three-peat was also a result of Phil Jackson forcing Jordan to miss a few games, as he was demotivated after winning back-to-back titles and Phil Jackson re-energized Jordan's motivation for the 3-peat by showing him that the team loses when he doesn't play.😂
For real lol. That was the iron man era. Everyone played every game unless they were seriously injured. Bron misses games all the time but his team plays better without him. It's crazy.
Should have Load Managed during his Wizards years 😂 lmfao
No matter how you slice it , Jordan did it better . Jordan lead his team better than any team lebron lead , regular season and post season Jordan got 72 wins , 69 wins , and of course 6-0 n finals to Lebrons 4-6 . And lebron picked and chooses his teams and coaches and players , so I don’t wanna hear about the “team” thing . Lebron stacked the deck n his favor and still came up short . The narrative lebron wins more with less , ok well he didn’t win more with more so that’s another false narrative . Lebron wasn’t ever as good as a 2 way player more than Jordan was consistently. Mj has more scoring titles , dpoy, mvps , fmvps , defensive all nba selections . Jordan has higher career ppg in regular and post season , and Jordan was more efficient than lebron was . Michael Jordan’s career really speaks volumes to his dominance he had over the league , and Lebrons career really speaks volumes to his longevity .
MJ did so much more in a lot less time and did it consistently no matter ehat his situation was. Even in Washington he just went out and played hard. He's one of a kind
Lebum never lead anything , he rely on everyone to save his ass
What debate? It's Jordan. The end.
Yessir boris!
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I just thought about this but since jordan is great individually and one of the greatest winners he is basically a combination of bill Russell and wilt Chamberlain
Yessir!! The more vids I do on all the history of the game the more I've come to the same conclusion. He was Wilt individually as far as being the best on the court at all times while also being Russell because none of that mattered unless his team won. No one else has sustained that level of ultimate dominance the way Jordan has. Kobe did it for 2 years and he looked just like Jordan at that time. I've never seen anyone else do it. But I've got my eyes on Joker and Wemby. They have a long way to go but I'm watchin lol.
Good take!
Send this vid to espn lol.
They would some how spin this into LeBalco being the GOAT as usual
There is no debate. Jordan is easily the best ever.
No doubt Armando
MJ sure was dominant on the ball but he was the most efficient scorer of his team. He can drive to the basket, catch and shoot and no wasted movements or dribbles. It’s a different feel when MJ releases the ball, you’re almost certain it’s gonna go in even in crunch time. Lebron on the other hand doesn’t have that kind of effect, that’s why teams that were more defensive dared him to shoot from outside coz there’s a bigger chance of him missing it and even worse during crunch time.
I know. Bron is 40 and finally learned to shoot a 3 because like you said for years no one was guarding him outside of the paint. They gave him the Ben Simmons treatment lol. When Portland tried that strategy for 1 game Jordan lit em up with endless 3s. They're cut from a different cloth.
It’s like the reason you don’t not go to college and leave and go straight to the NBA when you aren’t the. Guy
It makes sense. Secure the bag mentality. Jordan learned a lot in college in NC. Bron would've been better if he had that experience too but he is who he is.
Jordan was. Lebron is always passing in big moments.
Yeah. Its sad cuz I liked Bron in the beginning. But hes so afraid of the big moments. I don't trust him to deliver.
Thats a good as point in 21 years none of brons teams have been considered a top 10 team all rime .. you could make a case for the heat . But when u promise 8 rings and only get 2 hurts that argument. And 2011 .
Right!? The Heat had the most stacked team in NBA history yet we can't call them the best because they had a crummy leader that couldn't deliver. If MJ or Kobe had a stacked team like that forget it. They'd actually lead their team to 8 rings.
When MJ was moved to point guard he had consecutive triple doubles, so many consecutive triple doubles that the record still stands today, and during the streak of triple doubles he had one game that broke up two strings of games with consecutive triple doubles, had he had a triple double on that one game, it would have been an even more unbreakable statistical record, but what he did do, the triple doubles streaks still stand today.... Anybody who says he couldn't pass and couldn't and didn't make assists dont know what they are talking about, he could assist, he could rebound, steal and block, not just score points, MJ was fun to watch...and it was almost 1 on 5 because the other teams double and triple teamed MJ to try to stop him. And he wasn't going around flopping either! 😁
100% on all of this. MJ can pass great but he's the greatest scorer on the floor every night so he's gonna shoot if he has it. As he should. Yeah those stacked triple doubles were awesome. He was still MJ but looked like the other MJ from LA at the same time. If he just wanted stats then he'd demand to play PG and stack it but he wanted to win so he played into the triangle. He's a winner.
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Bulls won in 1991 not because Pipoen guarded Magic or contributed a whopping 6.6 assist per game
*Bulls won because Jordan average 14.1 assist per game, which STILL stands as 2nd highest assist per game Finals until today*
only Magic average a higher assist per game like 13 apg or something
_that means Jordan average MORE assist in Finals than John Stockton, Penny Hardaway, Kobe, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Isiah Thomas, Oscar Robertson, LeBron James, Steph Curry, Kyrie Irving, Chris Paul, Rajon Rondo, Bob Cousey...etc_
but LeBron fans say he cant pass or go left
so why do you think the lakers work so much better without lebron? cause honestly i havent seen an NBA game since forever and only really see highlights. cause i would imagine its harder to just swap how the team plays the game every time lebron sits out, so it prob means that they would play the same way just without him. then that just means that lebron is the very weak link in a system that designed around him.
This is a 100% accurate take. They're better without him and get to play more natural without him.
This ☝️
Lebron has his team box out for him to get the rebounds, they have to work their ass off for him to toss them a pass from the top of the arc while he is unguarded. They have to play 4 on 5 when he doesn’t make it back on defense, even in the half court they play 4 on 5. Taking rest days to skip tough games. Throwing team mates and coaches under the bus.
Yes to everything you just said. They all know to let Bron get the rebounds after they box out, he never gets back on d, half his point are from cherry picking cuz he didn't get back on d, that's why they give up less points when bron sits out lol. And people call him a great defender? Oy
MJ and Lebron are similar that they both represents and embodies the NBA during their tenure. Unfortunately, this is where the similarities end; One word sums up each era:
MJ - Awesome
Lebron - Joke
I agree. The MJ era was all out war and so awesome to watch. Now its....like YMCA club ball lol
MJ is the GOAT for me, but like you said, even if yuou don't agree and have someone else like Magic, Bill, Wilt, Bird, Kobe etc.,' Lebron doesn't skip the line, period! Tim Duncan was also a monster on defense. He's 1 Defensive 1st team away from matching Jordan, Kobe, Payton and KG for league highest, and still has 7 2nd team picks.
I'd rather pick any of those over Bron. At least they'll stick around during the hard times and rebuild. Bron will just leave.
There was an interview with jordan after the bulls lost to the knicks in the pkayoffs, while he was still playing baseball. He said in the interview that it felt like watching ur little brother getting picked on by the bully of the block wasn't able to do anything about it.
That sounds like him. Heck, that's how I felt watching the Knicks beat rhe bulls that season. "If only they still had MJ, they'd smoke these guys"
@@TheRealMindCrime czcams.com/video/2fMGXJvLTZY/video.html&ab_channel=PsychLife at 28:25.
Lebron does gaslighting of teammates psychologically... Which is way worse than being blunt like Jordan!
Yup. MJ will ride you in practice and tell you what he expects. If you don't do it he'll ride you harder next practice but will take the fall for the shortcomings in the media. Bron will act like your best bud in practice then throw you under the bus during the game so everyone can see hoe disappointed he is on live tv. Then try and get you traded behind your back. I like MJs leadership style more.
@@TheRealMindCrime exaaaaaaaactly !!! Lebron snake that eats snakes
The 81,84 bucks
I mean the 2013 Heat are actually mentioned as one of the greatest teams ever. And unlike the early 70s Bucks squad they actually won multiple rings and made 4 straight finals.
However that fact is mostly due to it being a stacked Super team with 2 other Top 10 Players willing to play around Lebrons system and not really because he was that great of a team player who is able to fit into a system and make his teamates better.
But you hit the nail right on the head with the 71 Bucks.
They only won 1 championship and made only 2 finals in 4 straight years of them winning 59+ games in a weak 70s era.
One of those years they had to go against the 72 Lakers so it was understandable.
But there was another year where they lost in the 1st round to a sub 50 win team in 6 games after going up 2-1. Sorta similar to the 2011 Heat Choke but just even worse.
However that Bucks team also completely missed the playoffs the year after their 2nd finals appearance in 1975 after they lost Oscar Robertson even though they still had their SuperStar Kareem there playing 65 games.
And that’s because even though Oscar was Old he was still one of the best players in the NBA when he got there and was willing to play a more secondary role and sacrifice his stats to play more team centric basketball. And the leadership and playmaking ability that he had couldn’t be replaced.
If anyone’s play style as the teams leading superstar needs to be questioned it’s Kareem’s.
Because Leadership and Playmaking are two of the most important things when it comes to being a team player that can seamlessly fit into a system.
And unlike Lebron and most other Top 10 Players ever that’s just something Kareem doesn’t have a lot of.
Kareem’s time in LA before Magic proved that how unadaptable he was to a system. Because even if he had solid players around him unless they could fit or compliment his stagnant Camped in the Post play style then it wasn’t going to work.
1977 was the definitely the worst roster Kareem ever played with his entire career and one that didn’t really have any good players around him so he was pretty much the entire offense that year. Yet 77 was also hands down Kareem’s best year on the Lakers pre Magic. Having the best record in the NBA at 53-29 (lowest league leading record in 82 game history btw) and making it to conference finals (Where they became the only team to not be able win even 1 game against the eventual champion Blazers in the playoffs)
And then even after he got more help from Norm Nixon and HOFers Adrian Dantly and Jamaal Wilkes the next 2 years the Lakers played even worse and won even less. Failing to surpass a 50+ win pace when Kareem played and failing to make it out of the 2nd round.
The less the Offense was centered around Kareem. The worse they did. Pre 80s Kareem’s teams also have an abysmal record without him.
Kareem only really played one way his entire career and didn’t really change it much at all outside of just scaling it back when he got older and no longer had the motor to be the team’s number 1 option.
Kareem is Great. Unquestionably Top 10 all time. But his GOAT status needs to be seriously put into question if anyone is going to actually give Magic the proper credit for being the leader and engine of Showtime.
Kareem’s GOAT case was in his prime during the 70s when he was the guy running the show.
Not when he was playing second fiddle to Magic in the 80s.
Because if you wanna say both were equal then not only does Magic probably not even have a legitimate top 10 case. Let alone top 5.
But in that case we’d probably have to reevaluate the way we distribute credit for winning rings as a Robin. And by that change in logic. Pippen would probably be top 10-15 all time at minimum.
If you want to still put Kareem top 5 because of the argument he didn’t have enough help in the 70s then that’s fine.
But that should be the main argument. Instead of just blindly reading off his resume as most fans do.
Nice comment! My struggle with assessing Cap is that I never got to watch him in the 70s which was his prime. I only saw him with the Lakers with Magic steering the ship. He was still great but much slower in LA due to age. I never saw a whole game of him and the big O playing together.
Just listen to his Podcast with JJ, they should've called it: my selfish, narcissistic me.
For real. I've been watching. I like the JJ term breakdowns in the beginning but Lebron is disgusting. Only talks about how smart and great he is while blame shifting all of his failures.
@@TheRealMindCrime Yep. LeBum would be 10 times the man he is now, by acknowledging his mistakes and failures alone. Being humble and taking responsibility are two of the many other things, which don't apply to LeBum Blames.
So LeFloppy doesnt makes his teammates better, but worse?
😮 😅
Stat wise......yup. joy wise.....yup lol
Bucks had Oscar Robertson and Kareem in their prime, theyre a top ten team
Thats right they did have the Big O!
Lebron by a mile...
When Mj was being called a ball hog. He literally had no help. None. So he felt he had to take games into his own hands. Once players matured abs he could trust them, he did...
Lebron takes all the credit, even from his all star teamates then blames them for failure.
The dudes a p.o.s.
Right?? MJ always to this day credits his teams and takes the downfall for their losses. That's what a real leader does.
MJ commercial said it all their is not a better player but a better team . Showing his rings 💍 💍💍,💍💍💍1991 1992 1993,1996 1997 1998. A
Explaining what the team did every year.
Thats why I like him. He doesn't make it about himself. While Bron defines his rings as this one made me the goat. This last one is when i demanded my respect etc. I'd hate to win one with bron cuz he takes all the credit.
When taking out lebron causing team to disfuntion? Maybe cuz every piece his team gathered is for look like lebron is doing something. I think lots of good players put their carriers on the line when they decided to join his teams. Playing with lebron is an L on the long run for player. He is chewing up players like candy. So they wont be the same after that
He definitely does chew up these guys then spit em out. It's sad to see.
ftor me mike, kobe,kawhi,shaq and hakeem. my reserve iverson,magic,carter,bird,yao ming. bench t-mac and duncan.
I'd watch that 5v5 anyday.
@@TheRealMindCrime yup building that team in nba mobile makes your opponent rage quit! lol
The biggest problem with making the argument for Jordan is even if you hate the guy and make the argument based of facts and evidence even to the point you’re splitting hairs … you sound like a Jordan fan or Stan.
That’s how incredibe Jordan is ….. just using base logic Jordan destroys everyone especially bill russel because bill russel wasn’t the main factor when it came to winning and losing.
Russel’s teams were stacked and never changed because there was no free agency so Russel never had to mesh with different personalities or push anyone to greatness.
Lebron has shown that he doesn’t make his teammates better because if they constantly need him to be efficient especially when he was off and d wade and bosh were on shows how much both had to change their game.
Lebron James has no argument for being the goat simply based general easy arguments let alone highly detailed arguments that split hairs.
The real crime mind doesn’t have time for your lefoolishness
Jessica
Thanks Jessica! I couldn't agree more. I have a similar take on Russell too. Jordan was the best player in the league and he led his team to victory. Russell led his team to victory but Wilt was the best player in the league. Lebron is neither best nor is he leading his teams to victory so he doesn't even quality for the conversation of goat for me. Kobe, Magic, Bird are all ahead of him for me cuz they fit the best player/leader role. Thanks for watchin as always. I really appreciate your words.
@@TheRealMindCrime it’s easy to win 11 chips when your team is stacked with hall of famers and there’s very few playoff games to win.
Not saying that bill Russel wasn’t amazing but was he the deciding factor … no he wasn’t.
Jordan is sooooooo great … it’s hard to imagine anyone being that good and that’s where the disconnect happens.
Funny thing is each person on this planet can do what Jordan does and chooses not to.
Jessica
new guy making videos, only 130 subscribers. self researched nba facts. show him some love if so inclined
Yes please! Great vid done by a very small creator. I was pretty impressed. Link to the og video is in the description. Thanks for watchin everyone!
The comparison is just a media fabrication of the worse kind and LeBron is up there only because some body wants him there as by watching him play he's not even close to MJ in any aspect of the game besides 3 points which btw many of them are uncontested so I don't really know if that counts as for instance he is 10% less efficient than MJ from the line...
Up until 2016 nobody would even thought about that and I believe if the Warriors were 70-12 instead 73-9, nobody wouldn't ever think about comparing LeBron to MJ they took the chance to try and put LeBron over MJ since "he beat" a 73 wins team. Kudos on LeBron for that famous block, but LeBron in a 7th game final scoring with just a 37% efficiency from the field and 20% from 3 is beyond abysmal for a player of his caliber at the peak of his career , he actually missed a layup and a jump hook extremely close to the basket in the last 3 minutes of that game, if he was as good as MJ he would score from mid range at least twice in as many minutes or at least make that layup which was actually an offensive foul as he grabbed Steph's jersey.
Many compare Kyrie bailing out LeBron with his 3 pointer in that 7th game to Paxon in 93 or Kerr in 97 but let's go back and watch those games please, aside that MJ visibly played better than LeBron on both ends of the floor in both finals games, but in terms of stats, in 93 MJ was 50% from the field and 60% from 3 and he scored all points for the Bulls in the 4th besides Paxon's 3 pointer and in 97 at 34 years of age (so 2 years older than LeBron in 2016) afted the flu game he grabbed 11 rebounds (with Dennis on that team , remember that!) scored 39 pts at 43% from the field 25% from 3, both final games Paxon and Kerr didn't bail out MJ, they were instrumental for the Bulls to win but MJ was as great as ever and in any of those instances MJ never said he felt he was the greatest player of all time.
Thats one thing i respect about kobe and mj so much. And bird and magic too. They alwaya respected the previous greats and never said they are the goat. Only Lebron pulled that crap. If he was the goat then maybe i can let it slide but he's not even close
@@TheRealMindCrime I totally agree, LeBron retracted few years ago, but still nobody in the past ever even attempted to hint to feel being the greatest of all time, MJ in particular never ever said that, he always said that he thought it was disrespectful to the greats of the past to say he was the goat, I'm a huge Bulls and MJ fan an I was 24 when LeBron started his career in the NBA and I remember being hyped and actually I thought since MJ retired it'd be great to see a new face who could be potentially a rival of Kobe (whom I loved!) who was the greatest at that point (and btw LeBron didn't even pass Kobe in my view!) but as I saw that huge guy making huge dunks and acting way over his head like as if he was already the Goat at 20 years of age, that didn't sit well with me and actually I really believe he is probably the most overrated player of all time, he will end his career with many people putting him in 2nd place mostly for his total stats, but by watching him play I think he cracks the 10th position barely, he is a glorified version of Karl Malone if Karl was as cocky as LeBron is but less efficient from mid and less efficient as a defender.
Phil Jackson DIDNT CREATE the TRIANGLE…
I know that. But he was head coach and implemented Tex's offense and convinced MJ to try it. Jordan was hesitant to trust at first cuz he liked Doug but it ended up working great for the Bulls.
Well, it's definitely not the guy who led his team to six rings. Two separate three-piece. That makes no sense
Yeah..you're right...too obvious lol
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"he was pretty much lebron james at that time" LOL no tf he wasn't and he had to be that way bcuz his team in the 80's was trash
NOpipsNOchips NOBullShit💩👎🏽🤷♂️🤫😭
And? Bron needed wade, bosh, ray allen, shane, miller, love, kyrie, AD, and so many more to win and he still lost 6 and only won 4. Jordan won more with less. Cool he had pippen. 16 points per game lol
Why is this even a discussion. MJ took almost 24 shots per game, ballhog wouldn't pass selfish play.
Scoring and winning are the goals of the game. He scored the most but also led his team to the promised land and won each time. Thats how you conquer the game of basketball. Bron gets close a lot but crumbles at the final boss.
I haven't even watched the video yet but I already know that you're going to shit on somebody. Why can't we just respect both men. They both gave it their all for us every single game okay. That's all that should matter. Enough with this old vs. young non-sense I've been listening to for the last 30 years. At first it was the old guard disrespecting Michael Jordan and the new guard disrespecting Wilt Chamberlain and now it's the old guard disrespecting Lebron James and the new guard disrespecting Michael Jordan. Stop It!!! All of you!!! I've had it!!!
Thanks for the comment man. I loved Bron til he started calling himself the GOAT. Now I'm proving why he's full of it. I never disrespect any of the other greats but thats because they didn't disrespect the previous greats to make themselves appear greater than.
Winning is the END GAME NOT STATS!!!!
Yessir!! 💯
So how jordan the goat when 9 others won more? And remember you said NIG STATS so explain that logic?
@EarthlyGods wtf did that statement even mean!!!! 1st of all learn 2 read and comprehend a statement!!!
@@tacorobrobtaco9037 you sound stupid acting like you don’t know wtf I said you said “WINNING IS THE END GAME NOT STATS” and my response is simply clear if it’s just about winning rings makes one player the goat HOW THE FUCK is jordan the goat when 9 OTHER PLAYERS WON MORE RINGS and you can’t bring up stats sense you said it’s not stats 🤷🏽♂️
Jordan is selfish
According to Lebron super fans and media puppets their king is the unluckiest player of all time lol. He's never been in the right situation with great teammates, great coaches and great organizations lol. It's funny because no player ever basically controlled everything always searching for the best situation to win as much as Lebron did after his first stint in Cleveland. Now we have to hear him making more excuses and pushing more propaganda with his new podcast wirh mr "plumbers and firemans" himself JJ Redick lol.
I'm with you 100%
When Jordan's Bulls didn't win or we used to say "He's not at Magic's level yet. He's not a good enough leader yet."
Then eventually he was and everyone shut up. Everytime Bron loses Bron fans say he doesn't have help. Its the weakest shiznit ever lol.
Jordan fans still telling the same old lies NONE OF THIS WAS SAID BY none of the people of the bulls not even the coach teammates or bulls owner The way yall talking about Jordan is what they said about pippen! Phil had to sit Jordan down and land him take less shots you guys stay lying
What is this fairy tale nonsense? No one ever has called Pippen the GOAT. You are very confused.
@@TheRealMindCrime no sir this was said and happened in the 90s 🤷🏽♂️never said pippen was the goat he was just the main reason bulls worked
You are ignorant
There is no debate .... MJ is the GOAT... LeBum says enough
😆 Lebum still gets me