The Unappreciated Genius of Shadow the Hedgehog | Retrospective in Reverse
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- This video is the next one in my Sonic Retrospective in Reverse Series. It covers Shadow the Hedgehog (2005 videogame). I hope you enjoy the video!
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I love how they made Sonic more annoying to show how Shadow views Sonic. I think “Time to rock and roll!” is actually one of the best lines in Sonic history. Great work on the video and the overall videos giving Sonic a fair look.
Yeah he was so obnoxious throughout the game lol. Super entertaining imo. And honestly I'm just enjoying the games and sharing how I feel, they're fun games!
As someone who was born in the early 90's and someone who has grown up playing pretty much every Sonic game and with Shadow the Hedgehog being my favorite game out of all the Sonic games to date i can honestly say that i would never say that it's Sonic 06's fault for it's failure as that game failed not because of Sonic 2006 but because most fans didn't like the gritty/somewhat edgy style of the game and didn't really care for Shadow using guns and other weapons in the game and they disliked/hated the mildly bad language shadow would use through out the game and they also didn't really like the floaty/slippery controls of the game, so no it had nothing to do with Sonic 06's failure as to why it also failed.
And on the note of Sonic 06 that game's failure also had nothing to do with Shadow not doing well as it failed because of how broken and buggy it was as well as the awkward contrast between Sonic and his friends and the human characters and of course another reason if failed was because of what they did at the end with Sonic getting killed and the princess of the game who is a human by the way kissing him so no Sonic 06's failure had nothing to do with Shadow the Hedgehog as it failed do to it being a broken buggy mess and because of it doing some really bad and disturbing things in it.
In fairness, I said I've heard others make the argument. I agree with your points, that standing alone these games shot themselves in the foot in many ways. But the clouds they held above each other definitely didn't help
This is an amazing retrospective! This deserves more views. You just earned a sub!
Glad you enjoyed it! I appreciate the kind words :)
I'm so happy to find someone else who appreciates this Game, I remember finishing every ending to unlock the true ending (and being so proud of myself) and being so proud. But years later once I was on the Internet I found out a lot of fans loathed this game, i'm happy to say I still enjoy it and I kinda wished we got more darker games with Shadow, it would counter Sonic's more lighthearted games and people who would want darker plots would get them without having to twist Sonic's character to fit them.
For me, I think one of the biggest wastes of this Game is Black Doom and the Black Arms there some of my favourite Aliens that exist. I'm really hoping with Black Doom being in Sonic x Shadow Generations it means Black Doom and the Black Arms are permanently coming back.
Sorry for starting off-topic, I gotta say though, I’ve been a die-hard Sonic Fan my whole life and have been bullied by Nintendo fans just for liking this franchise. So when I saw your username after clicking on this video, I prepared myself for the worst, but after watching it; I gotta say this is the best retrospective that I’ve ever seen for Shadow 2005 you’ve earned yourself a sub! :)
Anyway, back on-topic. When this game first came out, I was 13 years old and was devastated to see all of the backlash and negative reviews that this game was getting. The game is not perfect. It definitely has its problems, but it is also ridiculously overly-hated. I remember some people hated on this game just because it had 4kids voice actors, I wish I was joking about that.
Anyway, a lot of the complaints for this game is just downright stupid, such as the mild swearing. In the OVA we saw Sonic give Eggman the finger, nobody complains about that. Sonic and his friends also curse in the Japanese version of Sonic X. Sonic even says the word “shit” in episode 2, but no one complains about that. I’m not against the Sonic cast cursing, superheroes curse like sailors in their theatrical movies, so why can’t the sonic cast curse in certain games? And all the hate for Shadow having a gun was also blown out a proportion. I mean, Sonic can use weapons in smash bros, nobody complains about that. And people also complain about shadow using vehicles when you can just run the speed of sound, well Sonic has been piloting, an airplane since Sonic 2 and again, nobody complains about that.
Shadow The Hedgehog is still a very fun game. It just got thrown under the bus much like unleashed because it’s so different from a traditional sonic game. And mind you the cringe dialogue that people complain about is only present in the English script, the original Japanese version is more in line with Shadow’s usual respectful nature. Though honestly if I was on the development team for this game, something that I would’ve changed would be to have the Hero warp chaos-control ability be changed to the time-stop ability (the one exclusive to bosses), and then I would have a third power-up mechanic being a neutral gauge taking a combination from both the dark and hero gauges and gives Shadow the chaos control warp ability that is the Hero power-up in the retail game. It makes sense as in most neutral missions your task is to get to the ring as fast as possible.
I also would’ve included a radar in this game, I bet this game would have gotten a heck a lot less criticism if it just simply had a radar. Sonic Heroes didn’t have a radar in the team chaotic missions but at least in that game your teammates will give you hints on if you’re around the object that you’re looking for. And lastly, I would’ve tried to figure out a way to involve omega in the final story, we see that Shadow treats Omega like his brother in 06 so it was a shame that he didn’t have a role in the last story I guess that was due to him being a robot and being affected by the black comet gas would’ve been nonsensical. And another thing that annoys me about people complaining about this game is when people claim that it’s racist. I am black and I never saw this game as racist, I mean, you play as a “black creature” for Pete’s sake, now if it was Silver killing off the black arms, then people may have an argument . /:
Thanks for the sub! I'm that you enjoyed it. Sadly, nothing what you said about the bullying or what the Sonic fans complained about is remotely a surprise to me.
I think a radar would have been useful for the 4 stages I said were a bit of a maze, but outside of those I don't even think it needed it that much. The game was pretty straightforward.
Also, I like your idea of a neutral power up. I could see that being useful
Yeah, I’ve had it really rough due to my passion for Sonic. I was given death threats, called racial slurs, and told that my channel was garbage just because I said that Sonic should have beaten Mario in my 2018 Death Battle Live-Reaction video. It really broke me and I’m still recovering from it. I just hate this superiority complex that the nerd community has when it comes to Sonic. We’re all nerds here, why can’t we just be free to enjoy what makes us all happy? I’m not bullied by normies IRL when I wear a Sonic shirt or something, but if I’m browsing on CZcams with a Sonic avatar, people will call me r3t@rded, autistic, p3d0phile, furry, etc. And it’s especially annoying when it’s stupid teenagers saying this crap because they’re too young and ignorant to know that there was a time when Sonic was #1, but all they know about Sonic is this trash content that “influencers” like the GameGrumps spit up for views. It really makes me miss my childhood before social media where we didn’t stress over review scores or fandom reputations and just played games that we thought were FUN.
Anyway, I’m glad that Sega is finally allowing Sonic to get out of the ‘safe’ fad he was in during the 2010s and experiment with serious themes again like in Frontiers and the upcoming SonicxShadow Generations. If movie 3 and Generations remaster do well, maybe we could get a Shadow The Hedgehog 2 someday? I would love to see that, Shadow has so much potential to have his own franchise, meme culture though made the character a joke which I find to be really sad because I relate to Shadow a lot as we both share a lot of the same mental illnesses (obsession over the past, depression self-deletion thoughts, etc).
glad someone took the time to explain how this story is legit, however the gameplay doesnt hold up.
I like both games
I already watched this video and only gave it a like.
But since it seems I'm commenting every video I'm watching...
This game is great bro, I love it. I even think it's enjoyable going through Westopolis over and over again. It has always been an amazing experience playing through the Ark inspired levels, and I didn't even know about Sonic Adventure 2 at that time. And damn the Heavy Dog/Blue Flacon theme was fire.
I'm trying to get an official copy for my PS2 as I've been missing visiting those stages lately (I got pirated games when I was little, and for some reason someone stole them???).
For a long time I've said stuff like, "I know it's bad but I like it" or "it's a guilty pleasure", but nah bruh, I was tripping, this game was amazing, nobody can use the nostalgia card 'cause if it was for that I would like Heroes bwahahahahahaha
I wanna say I only disagree wit ur labelin of shadow as a "Hero" as I don't believe that's the case for him or sonic. I do however HIGHLY appreciate ur counterclaims on Y the structure of the game while not "perfect" is WAY "better" than ppl claim & there's a much more genius point made in things like not havin a "canon" path to the final part of the game. Aside form ur "hero" label I feel u got a large point of shadow's character arc in this game spot on so much so I added this to a playlist of shadow vids I have for ppl to watch to truly get his character & this game lol. this was really good imo
Thanks for the feedback! Out of curiosity, you don't think Sonic is a hero either? That's an interesting take, why not?
Did you know that many of the rooms in the two Ark levels have a map with your current location you can look at cor help?
I did. I think it helps a little bit but not really the best implementation of a map in that type of stage.
@@NintenDeen also you can use the d pad to quickly switch between missions instead of pausing every time.
Well shoot. That's convenient lol, didn't realize
Shadow, the Hero
It's an interesting game. I think it's fun once you get over the edginess and the fact that Shadow is holding a gun, so don't be a crybaby! Do you think this game would have been better received if it was rated T, or if it wasn't so dark, or had no guns, maybe have Shadow match more his character in SA2? I think his character does match despite the tone, but I feel if they could maybe make it a bit clearer, as i feel like the rating this game had overshadowed what they were going for with Shadow and his past.
I stop the video before you start talking about the different paths (21:42), but I as far as it goes, I think you are wrong about Pure Hero been the definitive path. In the last story, Shadow was on his way to give Black Doom the emeralds. Sonic and Friends had to rush to get to him before he'd made a mistake.
I gonna to continue watching now.
That's fair. that's a point I missed/didn't discuss. But later on I do mention another reason why I think the end of the pure hero path can't be taken as canon
Yeah, and that’s also a hood point I didn’t think about. You were right, most people did miss it (including me lmao).
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The 2000s were a crazy time
Metal Sonic was a main villain , shadow had his own game , and Sonic died and the earth got split into 7 pieces haha 😆
Shadow is just sonic heroes but if everything works as intended with better combat
Playing shadow 10 times feels less repetitive than playing heroes 4 times
A lot of Sonic games are overpraised and overhated.
Overrated sonic games would be the classic 2d games, Unleashed (even tho I love it)
Overhated would be every other sonic game