4 Reasons Why The "Rule of 31" Does Not Work on a House Shot

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  • čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
  • I was recently asked why I always seem to target at 5 board in my bowling videos and why I do not subscribe to the "Rule of 31". For those that have never heard of the "Rule of 31", it's the strategy of taking the length of the pattern you are bowling on, subtracting 31 and the result is the board you should be targeting at the break point. This is pretty good idea on tougher sport shots in order to get your feet and eyes in the right spots.
    However, it's a different story on typical house shots.
    Here are 4 reasons (in my opinion) as to why this does not work on your typical house shots.
    Comments? Ideas for another topic? Post them!
    #Bowling #BowlingTips #RuleOf31

Komentáře • 73

  • @ObjectiveEthics
    @ObjectiveEthics Před 11 měsíci +9

    As a 1st year bowler I really appreciate these instruction videos. I learn so much from watching them and Nick does an excellent job of helping to visualize what's happening on the lane with clear and knowledgeable commentary.

  • @travishanson166
    @travishanson166 Před 11 měsíci +4

    It all depends on where the oil is and the zone you want to play. I can play almost anywhere on synthetic lanes and a house shot, when need be. I don't mind changing up hand positions to send it up 5, or cross 5 out to 2, or later down at 5 and hook it as it's hitting the pocket, or loft the gutter out to 8, 12 or 15.
    It all depends on how flat each section of the lane is and for how long. So if it's done in 3 loads in a 42' pattern and you started with 2:1 for the first load, then 2nd load you do 6:1 and the last 12:1 you will have 3 good zones to the pocket. Low speed low revs can go straight up 5, medium folks can play up 10 and the high speed high rev folks would be between 20 and 15 at the arrows.
    Modern patterns have many more loads and the ratios of a house shot change quite a bit in some cases, pretty much affording a shot to every player. This does not mean bowling is easier. Every player still has to make good shots for their style.

  • @KBATN1
    @KBATN1 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I've seen the rule of 31 taught a lot, but I'm with you, it doesn't work on a league shot. I don't use the word , "area shot", but it's one way of saying what to do on a league shot. To my bowlers, I use the words, " look for the forgiving shot" on the lanes that will give you the most carry. I've watch bowlers that won't take advantage of that sweet spot on the lanes and I just shake my head watching them. Great lessen, keep it up.

  • @leondemasi1634
    @leondemasi1634 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Great video demonstrating where the rule of 31 is more of a general guideline than an actual written in stone rule. Looking forward to more like it!

  • @antreas_beta
    @antreas_beta Před 9 měsíci +4

    Please correct me if I'm wrong. I thought the rule of 31 relates to the board the ball exits the pattern, not necessarily your breakpoint. The ball will still skid a couple of feet after exiting the pattern before starting to hook

    • @michaeladler2604
      @michaeladler2604 Před 8 měsíci

      Yes you are Right. Exit Point- maximal Margin of Errors. But for Example Big Ben Oil Pattern i Play with Board 7. 44 ft Minus 31 is Not Always Work. Sorry for my Bad English.

    • @badandy122376
      @badandy122376 Před 7 měsíci

      Finally someone said it….

    • @Miknificynt1
      @Miknificynt1 Před 4 měsíci

      Correct

  • @UhKimboze
    @UhKimboze Před 11 měsíci +2

    I've always had the experience that playing closer to the pocket in the middle lane has led to the best results for me, the most flush strikes and the most reliable hits.

  • @lastans18
    @lastans18 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Great video, as always. I, too, had some issues with this on the longer patterns. The rule of 31 would put you left of the head pin at the breakpoint, and it didn't make any sense.

  • @bowldrigreg349
    @bowldrigreg349 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Nice vintage zone shirt 🔥🔥

  • @remington1439
    @remington1439 Před 11 měsíci

    Great video Nick’ I’ve heard the rule of 31, and a friend Palmer Fallgren showed me and how to go about it’ so I did try several times on league about 5 years ago and I did not get to the pocket with the pattern that they would put on the lane, every league nite it would be different by 5 boards of short or longer length. Always dig your videos.

  • @EricSmyth4Christ
    @EricSmyth4Christ Před 11 měsíci +3

    What about the rule of “just throw it?”
    Cause that’s what house shots are

  • @tmccbc
    @tmccbc Před 11 měsíci +3

    Can you do a video like Darren Tang rating and describing all the ball releases from this year from all the brunswick companies? Would be interesting to see all of them compared to eachother.

    • @brunsnick
      @brunsnick  Před 11 měsíci +2

      Maybe!

    • @proxy6815
      @proxy6815 Před 11 měsíci

      ​@brunsnick or put them into categories, such as fresh, transition, burn, etc. darren tang has a category called "dark horse" which I think means u can use it on multiple different conditions very often

  • @thebigeasy8609
    @thebigeasy8609 Před 11 měsíci

    Thanks Nick. Greatly appreciate insight.

  • @JoeBrrFan
    @JoeBrrFan Před 6 měsíci

    Our house shot is 44. I stand on 21, roll over 14 (rule of 7) aim at 12 (rule of 31) enters at 17.5 board.. strike. But that's just me. I don't need a lot of hook. Just enough to hit the pocket at the rigth angle. Ball speed 16.55, revs 310, entry board 17.3 according to specto.

  • @levihayes5365
    @levihayes5365 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Bowled on shark today -31 rule should be 17 board shark is 48-31=17 but if you do get to around 8 I was gone, so most people ball speed has a lot to do with it

  • @richr115
    @richr115 Před 11 měsíci

    Now that's how to end a video. 9-10!

  • @runnerboy6886
    @runnerboy6886 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Rule of 31 is kind of like BMI for weight loss. It tells you something, but shouldn't be the stat you focus on.

  • @theobserver9565
    @theobserver9565 Před 11 měsíci

    I've got a suggestion for a ball comparison video. Fireball vs Fire vs Ocean vibe.

  • @allee68
    @allee68 Před 5 měsíci

    I have also seen the rule of 31 not work on longer patterns with lower volumes.

  • @nordattack
    @nordattack Před 11 měsíci

    Rule 31 can also vary based on how the bowler releases the ball. An ultra low rev low speed bowler will not be expected to play a pattern the same way a high rev high speed bowler does.
    They will get to the pocket in different ways that are suitable to their games.

  • @questfor900
    @questfor900 Před 11 měsíci +1

    The rule of 31 has been debunked in so many ways. Board 12 breakpoint is like a high volume 48-50ft pattern for most good bowlers with decent revs. There are so many variables. Bowlers delivery specs. Pattern ratio and volume. Topography. How old the surface is, what kind of surface it is. What ball and surface is on the ball. What we are looking for is recovery on misses out, and hold on misses in. That is going to be so incredibly different for everyone based on the info mentioned above.

  • @scottythompson940
    @scottythompson940 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Cool video talk tech bowling bowling ball Brunsnick

  • @SirJoelsuf1
    @SirJoelsuf1 Před 11 měsíci

    Oil patterns have always been about VOLUME, not length. A 35' pattern could have 75mL of oil (with like 50mL of it being forward) and you'd think that you'd want to feed the ball to the 4 board if you follow the rule of 31 (or 30, which is what I like to use instead of 31). Do that and you're in the channel.
    But a pattern could also be 48' with like 20mL of oil (and with 15mL of it being reverse oil) and if you subtract that from 30 you'll be feeding the ball to...the 18 board? Why? On a pattern that light, I'm going up the gutter with the most aggressive ball in my bag.

  • @wesleytombaugh8959
    @wesleytombaugh8959 Před 6 měsíci

    I was always under the impression that “the rule of 31” tells you what board you want your ball to exit the pattern. Not what board you want your break point to be. 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @krisgrzenia8031
    @krisgrzenia8031 Před 4 měsíci

    I thought it was where the bowl exits the pattern, not t h e breakpoint?

  • @machinethesun9243
    @machinethesun9243 Před 11 měsíci

    The rule of 31 doesn't apply at my house shot either. And week to week it can be different based on other variables such as what conditioner they ran out of. Sometimes boards 2 - 10 feel like a flat sport pattern. And the morning leagues they put out way more oil than the night leagues. Lanes on the right side of the house have back ends that hook a lot more than the left. Point is its always different, one league I have to bring a big solid asym and play the 1st arrow to the 2 board. Another league, I'm playing the 3rd arrow with a hybrid.

  • @russellgilbert3453
    @russellgilbert3453 Před 11 měsíci +3

    The Rule of 31, to me, is not an absolute, but a starting point. Adjustments are made off of this.

  • @michaeljamrozy4299
    @michaeljamrozy4299 Před 11 měsíci +2

    I don't think it works period. I'm on 45' Shark (a few years ago)... ain't no way I'm breaking at 14. I'm seeing one of the elite players going straight up 7... Rule of 31 just seems like the ever so slightest guideline

    • @300x2869
      @300x2869 Před 11 měsíci

      Lane surface and rev rate make a big difference.

    • @FredSoDak
      @FredSoDak Před 11 měsíci

      I had read the Rule of 31 is where you exit the pattern, not the break point. I have different balls that go anywhere from 2' to 8' past the end of pattern before they reach their breakpoint. And then varying the delivery angle, speed, revs,... also changes the breakpoint board.

    • @michaeljamrozy4299
      @michaeljamrozy4299 Před 11 měsíci

      @@FredSoDak makes sense... like I said, ain't no way... Thanks for that

  • @lonestarpatriot876
    @lonestarpatriot876 Před 17 dny

    I think it is a generalization and was never meant to be a set in stone rule. This is not much different than pretty much everything in bowling.
    I hear people saying all the time that you have to do this or you have to do that or you have to use this or you have to use that. It is never ending hearing the things people say you have to do to be a good bowler and then you see great bowlers who are bowling great doing none of what the so called experts say you have to do.
    I watch the absolute best pro's bowl, and almost none of them are doing every single thing that the so-called experts say needs to be done.
    At the end of the day, you throw a ball down a lane and knock pins down. There are all sorts of ways to get that done to a high level. I never hear any experts talk about how your game can go to hell in a handbag when you get paralysis by analysis, but I think they probably should.
    I watched a fellow league bowler shoot a 678 series, never throwing the ball over 9 MPH, with a low rev rate, using a 12 lbs. ball, throwing pretty straight (5 boards of hook), and he is sporting a 226 avg.
    All of the experts would say that is impossible.

  • @fahmibahrisulaiman9624
    @fahmibahrisulaiman9624 Před 11 měsíci

    How to determine house shot and sports shot pattern?

    • @brunsnick
      @brunsnick  Před 11 měsíci

      Ratios of oil typically.

  • @kentworthington3086
    @kentworthington3086 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Has anyone actually claimed using the rule of 31 on a house shot? In between 10 - 5 at the breakpoint has always been my thoughts when dealing with a THS.

    • @brunsnick
      @brunsnick  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Yes. Get comments often saying not to throw the ball so far out to 5 and keep it in at the 2nd arrow instead.

  • @nickherntier2140
    @nickherntier2140 Před 3 měsíci

    From what I understood, the rule of 31 is for the EXIT point of the ball from the oil, not the breakpoint.

  • @SuburbAllied
    @SuburbAllied Před 11 měsíci

    Brunsnick, why use such an aggressive ball? I've been taught if you can't make the bowling ball do justice after you have gone through all the tricks in you pocket with your hand, speed etc, CHANGE bowling ball! Try something that isn't hooking that much, or something less aggressive. You could probably hit that 12th board with something less reactive, I do it all the time on house shoots in my league bowling.

    • @brunsnick
      @brunsnick  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Because it’s a house shot, you maximize your area and entry angle to carry, not tone it down to stay straighter and shut down angles. Unlike sport, there’s multiple ways to get to the pocket with house patterns. Using a weaker ball to adhere to 12 board would lead to lower scores.

  • @FSerrano2789
    @FSerrano2789 Před 11 měsíci +3

    My house shot is 42. Most of us have to get it to the rail

  • @mattyhayes3201
    @mattyhayes3201 Před 4 měsíci

    Noice!!

  • @valipiros6423
    @valipiros6423 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Rule of 31 is with exit point, not with break point and doesn't work at all.

    • @brunsnick
      @brunsnick  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Semantics. Break point exit board all within 1/2 board of eachother.

    • @valipiros6423
      @valipiros6423 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Exit point is named pattern exit on Specto Exit point and breakpoint are located in different places down the lane (difference could be feet) and across the lane, from zero to some boards, there is no fixed relation. I appreciate a lot your wonderful work.@@brunsnick

    • @FredSoDak
      @FredSoDak Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@brunsnick Love your videos & have learned much; but sometimes semantics can give different advice. I had read the Rule of 31 is where you exit the pattern, not the break point. I have different balls that go anywhere from 2' to 8' past the end of pattern before they begin to break. And then varying the delivery angle, speed, revs,... also changes the breakpoint board. On our 41' house shot, I can throw across 3rd arrow, hit the 10 board at 41'; and the ball will continue to the 6 board before it makes a move.... delivery with same speed & revs between 2nd & 3rd arrows, targeting 10 board will break on the 8 board. Both balls will pocket hit. Rule of 31 exit point is 10 board in both cases, but break point board is different.

  • @markmatroni631
    @markmatroni631 Před 4 měsíci

    I practiced this morning on Kegal Arsonic and got my ass kicked!!!!!

  • @judweber3338
    @judweber3338 Před 11 měsíci

    Rule of 31 doesn’t really work on anything. It can be right sometimes but not often

  • @300x2869
    @300x2869 Před 11 měsíci

    Is it me or do most of us who love sport patterns hate house shots. Free hook sucks!

    • @remoevans7847
      @remoevans7847 Před 11 měsíci

      Is it me or is that the reason for Sport/Challenge/Recreational classification? Listening to bowlers constantly whining about something definitely sucks.

    • @300x2869
      @300x2869 Před 11 měsíci

      @@remoevans7847 not every area has those year round. Or even at all. So those "whining" you say have a reason.

    • @remoevans7847
      @remoevans7847 Před 11 měsíci

      @@300x2869 You’re correct, whiners always believe it’s justified. 🤣

    • @300x2869
      @300x2869 Před 11 měsíci

      So your just implying that bowlers are whinny including myself, is that what I'm understanding? So you are just making comments like this to start a keyboard fight?

    • @remoevans7847
      @remoevans7847 Před 11 měsíci

      @@300x2869 I’m not implying anything, I tried to make it clear. I’ve been bowling since 1983, ran leagues, IBPSIA certified, etc. You’ve been around the block, you know as well as anyone that bowlers are notorious complainers. It’s okay to admit it, they’re still going to buy bowling balls. 😂

  • @timsmith7994
    @timsmith7994 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Rule of 31 is "EXIT POINT" not break point.
    If your going to shoot a video on a topic you should know what your talking about.

    • @brunsnick
      @brunsnick  Před 11 měsíci

      Semantics.

    • @badandy122376
      @badandy122376 Před 7 měsíci

      Not senantics when new bowlers are looking for information. You’ve lost a viewer….

  • @Jaycold06
    @Jaycold06 Před 23 dny

    And whenever you hit around 12 you struck lol

  • @Jaycold06
    @Jaycold06 Před 23 dny

    Didn’t really throw any good shots in this video😅

  • @waynehamberg9248
    @waynehamberg9248 Před 3 měsíci

    The problem with your video here is that you are throwing a high rev rate and higher speed rate than your average league bowler throws. What you should be trying to do is come up with some kind of formula based on speed, rev rate and oil length so where you want to aim on the lane. So I hit board 'X', it also matters where I stand as well based on speed and rev rate. Then again you really know nothing about mechanical physics.

  • @NPMystikal
    @NPMystikal Před 11 měsíci

    Rule of 31 is for EXIT point, not breakpoint….come on BrunsNick!!! Lol

    • @brunsnick
      @brunsnick  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Semantics

    • @NPMystikal
      @NPMystikal Před 11 měsíci

      @@brunsnick haha okay, but they are different. I get it though, the video shows the intent and there are too many variables for this to be a one size fits all kind of thing. Keep up the great work

    • @brunsnick
      @brunsnick  Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@NPMystikal the exit point and break point were all within 1/2 board of eachother in the first 4 shots. 😁

    • @lynndecamp7374
      @lynndecamp7374 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Exit point,😮??? Don't think so !!!

    • @MikeDCWeld
      @MikeDCWeld Před 9 měsíci

      I've always seen it talked about as how to find your target break point when approaching a new pattern. The ideal exit point is always splitting the 8-9 no matter how your shot moves down the lanes.

  • @glenandbrandy
    @glenandbrandy Před 11 měsíci

    I’d always heard the rule of 31 was a guideline for sport shots as trying to play outside that on a flatter pattern left little margin for error. As with any guide, it’s tempered by other factors. TY for the visual demo.
    Can we talk about the adjustment to avoid another 9-10 ? 🎳 😁 In umpteen years around bowling…I don’t think I’ve seen that on a other than a runaway Brooklyn hit.