You can simmer the old whisperlite, once it's hot and running well, shut it off. Depressurise your fuel can. Then pump only 3-5 pumps, relite your whisperlite which is now in simmer mode, occasionally add a pump when it gets too low, a bit more faff but good if you want a long simmer.
Hi Ryo, thanks for your comment. I no longer have the Whisperlite. I dare say there are various techniques for simmering but I find the Dragonfly much easier now. It’s a switch on and go unit 👍
@@RichDavey Thanks for the video comparison, like you I too have the Dragonfly (dragon roar as I call it) and I also perfer it overall. Another plus is you just have to wipe the soot off the spreader plate and it's all clean again (and the shaker jet is a bonus over the old whisperlite)
You pumped the international too many times. The trick to that is to only pump it like 10 to 15 times. No need to pump it after it is lit. That is the key to controlling it. The international shines on it easabilility to interchange parts and take it apart easily compared to the dragonfly
The pot stand is not good for small pots on the Dragonfly. I put wire between the inner points to form a triangle. They could make it lighter. My gasoline jet is stuck, so I can't use the Diesel.
A small bottle of meths to start the stove avoids those nasty sooty feathers that get everywhere. I’d like to see how the dragonfly manages with diesel. I tried it with the international but couldn’t get a flame at all (and used all my meths). Diesel is a horrible fuel but can be the only fuel available.
Yes indeed. I have tried that method Gareth. I have been put off using Diesel due to the smell. Petrol not perfect though either. I guess there may be an opportunity to use diesel sometime. Thanks for your comment
The controllability of the dragonfly is the deal winner for me. The ability to use the heat in various levels increases the usability of the stove and will also help with fuel saving. Fat boy from Bainton
Thanks for the comment Paul. It is indeed the controllability on the dragonfly that makes this stove versatile. The Whisperlite is in no way a loser. It excels in simplicity and speed in boiling water.
the flame spreader mechanism on the Dragonfly is similar to other stoves that use these spreaders (such as Primus Omnifuel) yet they don't have this precise of a flame control. Do you have any idea why the Dragonfly excels in that department?
Dragonfly is a 2-lever. The main valve on the tank side adjusts the fuel and the contol valve on the burner side adjusts the air. The whisperlite is 1 lever, so you can lower the air pressure to a low flame, but you can't raise the air pressure to a high to low flame.
@@hfg4qhmg237I don’t think it’s adjusting air. But more the valve on the pump is more crude shut off and the valve stove side is a much finer needle valve changing even smaller amounts of fuel flow prior to reaching the burner. It’s definitely not adding any air. That’s how you can make the stove if anything more dangerous. Depending on what’s ran in it. Fuels need heat an oxygen to burn. So it’s feeding liquid fuel to the stove. An before it leaves out of the jet. It’s heated because of the priming which is turning the liquid to a fuel vapor. Not a fuel an oxygen vapor. Just a fuel vapor. An at that moment the fuel vapor is missing right away with atmosphere and having the oxygen to burn. It’s just the matter of two valves more control in general. But the second one may be a finer needle cake making it’s control more sensitive than the more crude flow shutoff on the pump
You can simmer the old whisperlite, once it's hot and running well, shut it off. Depressurise your fuel can. Then pump only 3-5 pumps, relite your whisperlite which is now in simmer mode, occasionally add a pump when it gets too low, a bit more faff but good if you want a long simmer.
Hi Ryo, thanks for your comment. I no longer have the Whisperlite. I dare say there are various techniques for simmering but I find the Dragonfly much easier now. It’s a switch on and go unit 👍
@@RichDavey Thanks for the video comparison, like you I too have the Dragonfly (dragon roar as I call it) and I also perfer it overall. Another plus is you just have to wipe the soot off the spreader plate and it's all clean again (and the shaker jet is a bonus over the old whisperlite)
@@ryodeo1341 definitely Ryo. It’s an exceptional unit 👍😊
Can you do it with a new whisperlite universal as well?
@@impulsestar6431 yes
You pumped the international too many times. The trick to that is to only pump it like 10 to 15 times. No need to pump it after it is lit. That is the key to controlling it. The international shines on it easabilility to interchange parts and take it apart easily compared to the dragonfly
Hi Justin, thanks for your comment. I tried that but still found the dragonfly much easier to control. I no longer have the international now.
The pot stand is not good for small pots on the Dragonfly.
I put wire between the inner points to form a triangle.
They could make it lighter.
My gasoline jet is stuck, so I can't use the Diesel.
the metal tube of thesee stoves can be tweaked so that the fuel bottle is further away from any flame. it is safer this way ;)
I have both. Dragonfly is so loud but I do like it better.
Don’t get me wrong Mike they both are excellent but for controlling I prefer the Dragonfly 👍
A small bottle of meths to start the stove avoids those nasty sooty feathers that get everywhere.
I’d like to see how the dragonfly manages with diesel. I tried it with the international but couldn’t get a flame at all (and used all my meths).
Diesel is a horrible fuel but can be the only fuel available.
Yes indeed. I have tried that method Gareth.
I have been put off using Diesel due to the smell. Petrol not perfect though either.
I guess there may be an opportunity to use diesel sometime.
Thanks for your comment
I've got the Simmerlite and Dragonfly and I just use a napkin to wipe off the soot 🔥🏕️
Thank you so much for this!
Your welcome Nunal. Hope this helps 👍😊
Have Both, But the dragonfly is my go to stove, starts better and cleaner if you use meths.
Totally agree Ray.
I will try meths 👍
Interesting I use petrol exclusively on my Dragonfly, I find it cheaper and it lasts forever - how does the meths ‘last’ as a fuel source?
Meths is just for priming?
The controllability of the dragonfly is the deal winner for me. The ability to use the heat in various levels increases the usability of the stove and will also help with fuel saving. Fat boy from Bainton
Thanks for the comment Paul. It is indeed the controllability on the dragonfly that makes this stove versatile. The Whisperlite is in no way a loser. It excels in simplicity and speed in boiling water.
the flame spreader mechanism on the Dragonfly is similar to other stoves that use these spreaders (such as Primus Omnifuel) yet they don't have this precise of a flame control. Do you have any idea why the Dragonfly excels in that department?
Not sure, but it’s certainly very controllable
Dragonfly is a 2-lever.
The main valve on the tank side adjusts the fuel and the contol valve on the burner side adjusts the air.
The whisperlite is 1 lever, so you can lower the air pressure to a low flame, but you can't raise the air pressure to a high to low flame.
@@hfg4qhmg237I don’t think it’s adjusting air. But more the valve on the pump is more crude shut off and the valve stove side is a much finer needle valve changing even smaller amounts of fuel flow prior to reaching the burner.
It’s definitely not adding any air. That’s how you can make the stove if anything more dangerous. Depending on what’s ran in it.
Fuels need heat an oxygen to burn. So it’s feeding liquid fuel to the stove. An before it leaves out of the jet. It’s heated because of the priming which is turning the liquid to a fuel vapor. Not a fuel an oxygen vapor. Just a fuel vapor. An at that moment the fuel vapor is missing right away with atmosphere and having the oxygen to burn.
It’s just the matter of two valves more control in general. But the second one may be a finer needle cake making it’s control more sensitive than the more crude flow shutoff on the pump
Brilliant
Thanks Brent 👍
Hello there. I'm thinking of getting one. Can I run this with diesel fuel. Thanks.
Hi Alan, great stove. Yes with the correct jet that comes with the stove it can be used with Diesel.
@@RichDavey Great thanks.
Can msr stove use fuel mix with alcohol?
Hi, it’s not recommended to burn alcohol in the MSR
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This dude is a rookie...
That’s true Robert. I am no expert that’s for certain
Bro you have no idea what you’re doing ! Lol
How about you tell him (and everyone else watching and reading) what he's doing wrong, and how he can do it better?